[Cledog30]

Letter was sent to all Head Coaches.

[Bull got out!]

Sounds like to me plenty of action we need to hear about last night.....  I'll blame it on the Full Moon!!

[WestCoast]

Paris/West Carter scrimmage?

[cats3x]

Paris/West Carter scrimmage?

No.  If I were to guess it would be Bourbon/Rowan.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Paris/West Carter scrimmage?

No.  If I were to guess it would be Bourbon/Rowan.

That’s probably a good guess.  Both are off the chain in behavior issues.. on the field and in the stands.

[16BBall Fan]

? HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL ?

KHSAA not feeling sportsmanship from opening weekend of scrimmages, because this email was sent to head coaches this morning:

[Blue_Bird96]

I was wondering what teams ended up getting a little rowdy Friday night!

[Red Deuces]

I heard the refs walked off the field at the Corbin Madison Central scrimmage. Two brawls cut the scrimmages short.

[TheTruth!]

I’m on here for the drama let’s get it going

[King Kong]

Sounds like to me plenty of action we need to hear about last night.....  I'll blame it on the Full Moon!!

Full Moon could very well be to blame.  It sometimes has a negative effect on the catfish bite at night.  When this happens it puts Ole Kong here in a bad mood too 

[Hoot Gibson]

I blame it on the poor sportsmanship that comes with the territory when programs adopt the win at any cost strategy. The KHSAA is a huge part of the problem. They are trying to apply a band-aid to stop arterial bleeding when the patient needs a tourniquet.

[Van Hagar]

I heard the refs walked off the field at the Corbin Madison Central scrimmage. Two brawls cut the scrimmages short.

Wait…..there was a scrimmage between Corbin and Madison Central and there is absolutely no posts on here about it????? What gives?

[Bull got out!]

[Image: https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...e=689E832F]
This is how Rowan County and Bourbon County turned out.
Player got his helmet taken off and another player hit him in the head with it.
Fighting on the field, fighting in the stands. Cops called. Ridiculous.
Sent to us by Travis Green , words by him also .

https://www.facebook.com/FootballOfKentuckyDBA

Thought this was worth sharing. Probably why the KHSAA was sending out messages to coaches. Sent to me by BGR STAFF, WOW!!

[Red Deuces]

I heard the refs walked off the field at the Corbin Madison Central scrimmage. Two brawls cut the scrimmages short.

  Wait…..there was a scrimmage between Corbin and Madison Central and there is absolutely no posts on here about it????? What gives?

I live here and can’t find out much about it. All I have been able to find out is Corbin’s defense was lock solid but offense looked shaky. I heard that neither team scored, Corbin hit two explosive plays and Central scored but it was called back. JV scrimmaged and a series of 7 on 7. Fights cut the scrimmage short, two years in a row these two teams have fought. Maybe it’s time to part ways.

[Westside]

It is funny that Coach Rice spent so much time on Facebook badmouthing Paris High School and the football program, yet his first scrimmage as the Bourbon County head football coach resulted in a player on the opposing team allegedly being bashed in the head and bloodied after being hit with a football helmet.  He may should worry less about Paris and more about himself and his program.

[King Kong]

I hate that stuff like this happened. There's a time and place for all things.  When it's time to play football, that's what your their for, then play football.  I understand that emotions often run high in this sport and things happen.  Some people though seem to be always looking for a fight regardless what they're doing.  There's plenty of boxing and mma gyms around. Be a more appropriate place for fighting, that's what they're for. If a person goes into those places with the right attitude, they'll be able to train and progress and be okay.  If someone goes into those places thinking they're the baddest dude on the planet, they'll get a reality check really fast.

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I hate that stuff like this happened. There's a time and place for all things.  When it's time to play football, that's what your their for, then play football.  I understand that emotions often run high in this sport and things happen.  Some people though seem to be always looking for a fight regardless what they're doing.  There's plenty of boxing and mma gyms around. Be a more appropriate place for fighting, that's what they're for. If a person goes into those places with the right attitude, they'll be able to train and progress and be okay.  If someone goes into those places thinking they're the baddest dude on the planet, they'll get a reality check really fast.

And I will add, if someone tries to purposefully hurt a opposing player, that player and their teammates should have every right to defend themselves.

[Westside]

I hate that stuff like this happened. There's a time and place for all things.  When it's time to play football, that's what your their for, then play football.  I understand that emotions often run high in this sport and things happen.  Some people though seem to be always looking for a fight regardless what they're doing.  There's plenty of boxing and mma gyms around. Be a more appropriate place for fighting, that's what they're for. If a person goes into those places with the right attitude, they'll be able to train and progress and be okay.  If someone goes into those places thinking they're the baddest dude on the planet, they'll get a reality check really fast.

I hate to state this, and I don't know the details of what went down in the Rowan Co vs Bourbon County game, but to me, it takes a thug and coward to hit another person in the head with a weapon, which is what the helmet seemed to be used as.  I also doubt that a coward would be interested in mma.

[King Kong]

I hate that stuff like this happened. There's a time and place for all things.  When it's time to play football, that's what your their for, then play football.  I understand that emotions often run high in this sport and things happen.  Some people though seem to be always looking for a fight regardless what they're doing.  There's plenty of boxing and mma gyms around. Be a more appropriate place for fighting, that's what they're for. If a person goes into those places with the right attitude, they'll be able to train and progress and be okay.  If someone goes into those places thinking they're the baddest dude on the planet, they'll get a reality check really fast.

I hate to state this, and I don't know the details of what went down in the Rowan Co vs Bourbon County game, but to me, it takes a thug and coward to hit another person in the head with a weapon, which is what the helmet seemed to be used as.  I also doubt that a coward would be interested in mma.

Agreed, well said 

I fish paylakes alot. One place there would often be someone there bragging on how many fights they'd been in at the place.  I'd sometimes have my son with me when he was a kid and some of my nieces and nephews.  They didn't need to hear that stuff.  I'm like man this is a fishing place, that's what we're here to do is fish. I'm like if you need to fight, there's plenty of places that'd love to see what your made of. That was the last he spoke to me.  I didn't care what he had to say about me.  If he'd started on one of the kids with me, I'd threw down with him in a heartbeat.  Idk how it'd went, I got bad rotator cuffs in both shoulders.  I mighta just been a sitting duck lol But I wouldn't have let him push around a bunch of kids.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

It is funny that Coach Rice spent so much time on Facebook badmouthing Paris High School and the football program, yet his first scrimmage as the Bourbon County head football coach resulted in a player on the opposing team allegedly being bashed in the head and bloodied after being hit with a football helmet.  He may should worry less about Paris and more about himself and his program.

Getting a lot of conflicting messages on this one.   Sounds like Rowan may have been the initial instigator during a JV game going on at the same time as HS game.   Then it all blew out of control.    Also hearing several penalties/suspensions have already taken place at Bourbon. Maybe someone with direct info can fill in the blanks.   Hearing it blew up in the stands as well.

[waughdaddy59]

Gotta have passion, no doubt, but passion without control is chaos. Use it during the whistle and then stop and go on.

[Cardsfan1972]

I blame it on the poor sportsmanship that comes with the territory when programs adopt the win at any cost strategy. The KHSAA is a huge part of the problem. They are trying to apply a band-aid to stop arterial bleeding when the patient needs a tourniquet.

Look at Atherton, they have 10-12 transfers, why? Why do teams get transfers from state championship teams to obscure teams that have never done anything. Coach White may not be able to control all of that mischief. It will be interesting to see what the KHSAA does if anything, watch Atherton fall apart late in the season.

[plantmanky]

It is funny that Coach Rice spent so much time on Facebook badmouthing Paris High School and the football program, yet his first scrimmage as the Bourbon County head football coach resulted in a player on the opposing team allegedly being bashed in the head and bloodied after being hit with a football helmet.  He may should worry less about Paris and more about himself and his program.

Getting a lot of conflicting messages on this one.   Sounds like Rowan may have been the initial instigator during a JV game going on at the same time as HS game.   Then it all blew out of control.    Also hearing several penalties/suspensions have already taken place at Bourbon. Maybe someone with direct info can fill in the blanks.   Hearing it blew up in the stands as well.

Rowan parent today told me Rowan was the instigator and swinging the helmet.   Wasnt there so who knows.

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I blame it on the poor sportsmanship that comes with the territory when programs adopt the win at any cost strategy. The KHSAA is a huge part of the problem. They are trying to apply a band-aid to stop arterial bleeding when the patient needs a tourniquet.

Look at Atherton, they have 10-12 transfers, why? Why do teams get transfers from state championship teams to obscure teams that have never done anything. Coach White may not be able to control all of that mischief. It will be interesting to see what the KHSAA does if anything, watch Atherton fall apart late in the season.

For reference for everyone else, Im told Atherton and Valley never started their scrimmage due to a incident.

[RTruth]

I watched the Corbin/Madison Central game.

The reason you ain’t hearing much is Corbin might not be what is advertised, might have all kinds of discipline issues and might not compete for a title.

[Bull got out!]

I watched the Corbin/Madison Central game.

The reason you ain’t hearing much is Corbin might not be what is advertised, might have all kinds of discipline issues and might not compete for a title.

 You got to give me more than that, I want to hear it. I need reasons friend. Not just saying it, like what happenend?

[ironfist13]

Completely agree! Maybe if they were as passionate about putting a stop to the same programs recruiting year after year…. But they need those programs to sell tickets to Kroger field. Jullian Tackett needs to go on, he’s been a joke most of his tenure.

[15thregionwatcher]

Just a question for discussion-
Does anyone think that the lack of and or inexperience of officials is a contributing factor in the increase in these incidents?

I’m certainly not implying that it is their fault as that is on the student athlete, but rather maybe how it is handled.
I remember back a hundred years ago when I was playing refs would intervene and straight up get in your a… telling you to knock the blank off or you will be watching from the sidelines.

Now I know that is not in the official handbook, but generally it was effective to keep things from escalating.

Nowadays I see them just throwing flags at leisure which often just escalates the situation. I’ve seen more than once that when the laundry is flying overly fast tempers seem to rise.

Times have changed where officials can’t say anything to kids anymore without getting blasted on social media or having to put up with crazy parents.    Heck, even if a coach yells at a kid it has a chance to be blown up everywhere.  Parents don’t allow their kids to be talked to hard and some can’t open eyes to see their kid isn’t as well behaved as they think (ask any teacher because the classroom is the same way) 

one thing that has aided to that is the availability of film.   When we played there wasn’t a film of every game blasted everywhere.    This availability has helped officials get better, as they are better now than ever before.   But it also brings every small mistake to a new level of awareness.  

Biggest thing is kids can’t control emotions.  Could it be the Covid lockdowns and missing a year of age appropriate social development.   Is it an entitled society as parents provide way more to kids than anytime in history   But officials are going away much faster than showing up to games.   Average age of an high school official is over 56 years of age currently.   That is a crazy stat!

[Bull got out!]

I deleted your post as requested Truebluefan89.   I thought it was a fair statement honestly.

[Granny Bear]

Me too!

[truebluefan89]

I deleted your post as requested Truebluefan89.   I thought it was a fair statement honestly.

I just meant the duplicate post I accidentally made?

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Just a question for discussion-
Does anyone think that the lack of and or inexperience of officials is a contributing factor in the increase in these incidents?

I’m certainly not implying that it is their fault as that is on the student athlete, but rather maybe how it is handled.
I remember back a hundred years ago when I was playing refs would intervene and straight up get in your a… telling you to knock the blank off or you will be watching from the sidelines.

Now I know that is not in the official handbook, but generally it was effective to keep things from escalating.

Nowadays I see them just throwing flags at leisure which often just escalates the situation. I’ve seen more than once that when the laundry is flying overly fast tempers seem to rise.

Times have changed where officials can’t say anything to kids anymore without getting blasted on social media or having to put up with crazy parents.    Heck, even if a coach yells at a kid it has a chance to be blown up everywhere.  Parents don’t allow their kids to be talked to hard and some can’t open eyes to see their kid isn’t as well behaved as they think (ask any teacher because the classroom is the same way) 

one thing that has aided to that is the availability of film.   When we played there wasn’t a film of every game blasted everywhere.    This availability has helped officials get better, as they are better now than ever before.   But it also brings every small mistake to a new level of awareness.  

Biggest thing is kids can’t control emotions.  Could it be the Covid lockdowns and missing a year of age appropriate social development.   Is it an entitled society as parents provide way more to kids than anytime in history   But officials are going away much faster than showing up to games.   Average age of an high school official is over 56 years of age currently.   That is a crazy stat!

So I don’t disagree with you that officials have the ability to be better due to film and other resources, but with the shortage it also brings in new people who may be less “versed” in how to handle different scenarios. Rules are rules and we all have to play by them whether on the field or in our everyday lives, but call me old fashioned if you like because I still believe a great big dose of common sense  can carry a situation a long ways further than just “going by the book”
I manage a large workforce as my job, every situation I have to look at with a clear thought train to analyze what is the best way to find both the correct and best outcome for everyone. Sometimes that means the book says this so here is the outcome, and sometimes it means I just have to tell someone to get their head out of their derrière before things get much worse.

So again, my thoughts are not an attack on officials just that some can help diffuse these situations before they get worse, or they can add fuel to the fire.

[15thregionwatcher]

I deleted your post as requested Truebluefan89.   I thought it was a fair statement honestly.

I just meant the duplicate post I accidentally made?

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Just a question for discussion-
Does anyone think that the lack of and or inexperience of officials is a contributing factor in the increase in these incidents?

I’m certainly not implying that it is their fault as that is on the student athlete, but rather maybe how it is handled.
I remember back a hundred years ago when I was playing refs would intervene and straight up get in your a… telling you to knock the blank off or you will be watching from the sidelines.

Now I know that is not in the official handbook, but generally it was effective to keep things from escalating.

Nowadays I see them just throwing flags at leisure which often just escalates the situation. I’ve seen more than once that when the laundry is flying overly fast tempers seem to rise.

Times have changed where officials can’t say anything to kids anymore without getting blasted on social media or having to put up with crazy parents.    Heck, even if a coach yells at a kid it has a chance to be blown up everywhere.  Parents don’t allow their kids to be talked to hard and some can’t open eyes to see their kid isn’t as well behaved as they think (ask any teacher because the classroom is the same way) 

one thing that has aided to that is the availability of film.   When we played there wasn’t a film of every game blasted everywhere.    This availability has helped officials get better, as they are better now than ever before.   But it also brings every small mistake to a new level of awareness.  

Biggest thing is kids can’t control emotions.  Could it be the Covid lockdowns and missing a year of age appropriate social development.   Is it an entitled society as parents provide way more to kids than anytime in history   But officials are going away much faster than showing up to games.   Average age of an high school official is over 56 years of age currently.   That is a crazy stat!

So I don’t disagree with you that officials have the ability to be better due to film and other resources, but with the shortage it also brings in new people who may be less “versed” in how to handle different scenarios. Rules are rules and we all have to play by them whether on the field or in our everyday lives, but call me old fashioned if you like because I still believe a great big dose of common sense  can carry a situation a long ways further than just “going by the book”
I manage a large workforce as my job, every situation I have to look at with a clear thought train to analyze what is the best way to find both the correct and best outcome for everyone. Sometimes that means the book says this so here is the outcome, and sometimes it means I just have to tell someone to get their head out of their derrière before things get much worse.

So again, my thoughts are not an attack on officials just that some can help diffuse these situations before they get worse, or they can add fuel to the fire.

Gonna use an example of something that happened a couple years ago I basketball court as to why that no longer works.    This played out exactly like this in a 57th district games. 


player a runs through a screen very violently with intent.    Player b who was best player in region goes over. Bumps him and says something.   Official tells him to knock it off, walks him away from the play to inbound ball.   The parents blow it up on social media and gets nearly 1000 shares and comments tagging the KHSAA.   
official could of very easily gave him a tech, (his fifth foul) and went on. But he tried to handle it without taking him out of game and got blasted for it.    Kid never acted up rest of game either so it ministry if worked.   But that official was blasted in Facebook named by name in multiple post.   Some even tagged his Facebook profile making him delete Facebook for a while and make it a private account.  All over talking to a kid instead of t them up.   (Ad and coach backed official and knew what he done, but that didn’t change the outcry from others. 

The reason we have a shortage of officials is younger people are not putting on the stripes.   Very few new officials are around anymore.    The average age of a hs school
official nationwide is over 58 years old!   These are experienced officials they just are limited in how they handle things now.