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Can Ashland Win State?
#1
Ashland got some transfers this year and I think it’s safe to say they are a lot better than they were last year and last year they could play with anybody in the state. They lost by 2 to Lyon County in the first round of state and should have beat them. Zander Carter is the best overall guard that the state has to offer. The whole team can shoot and they have tons of depth. I seriously think they can win the state tournament. Thoughts?
#2
Oh God, here we go. Wait for it....
#3
If their basketball players are as weak-minded as their football players they won't be winning anything. Their football team had a great year but when they got punched in the mouth by Corbin, they curled up into a fetal position and told Corbin to be like Captain and Tenille and "do that to me one more time." It was pretty disappointing, really. Hopefully, they will keep the football players away from the basketball court. For Ashland's sake, let's hope the basketball team learns something about how NOT to react when faced with adversity. Good luck to the Tomcats this season.
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(11-27-2024, 11:55 PM)Fanman Wrote: Oh God, here we go. Wait for it....
Woah Smile
Daddy will be here shortly.
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#5
Btw, Corbin plays Ashland @ Ashland this season. The Hounds will have their full complement of football players( Malachi Brown, Pietrowski, Person, Brittain, etal...) on the court by then. Should be interesting.
#6
(11-28-2024, 02:41 PM)Old School Hound Wrote: Btw, Corbin plays Ashland @ Ashland this season. The Hounds will have their full complement of football players( Malachi Brown, Pietrowski, Person, Brittain, etal...) on the court by then. Should be interesting.
All Respect due but Ashland will beat Corbin Basketball by at least 20-25
#7
Yes, Ashland can absolutely win state, IMO. They are deep & every kid on the team is skilled. I’m anxious to see how much playing time the South Point transfer, Justin Hughes, gets. He’s only a FR, but, is uber talented & has decent size at 6-2. Really athletic, too. Definite future D1 player, IMO.

The post will once again be their weakness, although they’re bigger this season than they’ve been in recent years with Carter (6-6) & Hoskins (6-5). But, having 7-8 legit perimeter threats will help compensate for the lack of size. They play a seriously challenging schedule, too, & will be prepared for March. And, they will be shooting for their SEVENTH consecutive 16th region title, so, they don’t lack big game experience.

No doubt the football team got humiliated. But, I put that on the coach’s weak, play not to lose game plan more than the players. That was not Ashland football. Those kids aren’t soft. They’ll have something for Corbin, who will have to win this one without the benefit of every call going their way.
#8
I was way off in my Corbin-Ashland football prediction. But I’m pretty confident that the basketball Tomcats will beat Corbin 20+ in Ashland. They’re pretty solid this season.

I’m looking forward to seeing the game at Hazard vs Ashland on December 6. Hazard is the top rated team in the 14th and generally defend their home court (Memorial Gym, opened 1950) very well. However, I believe Ashland has way too much firepower for the Bulldogs.
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(11-28-2024, 03:30 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 02:41 PM)Old School Hound Wrote: Btw, Corbin plays Ashland @ Ashland this season. The Hounds will have their full complement of football players( Malachi Brown, Pietrowski, Person, Brittain, etal...) on the court by then. Should be interesting.
All Respect due but Ashland will beat Corbin Basketball by at least 20-25
We'll see, want we?  Pietrowski is a basketball guru. I've seen him beat teams with much better talent than what he has. He's got some pretty good talent to work with, too. I could see the game being competitive. Corbin will head up along I-64 with the intent on coming back a winner.
#10
He may be a good coach and may have some good pieces but this Ashland Team is one of the better eastern kentucky teams i’ve saw in a while. I bet they win by more then 30
#11
(11-28-2024, 04:59 PM)Tomcat91 Wrote: Yes, Ashland can absolutely win state, IMO. They are deep & every kid on the team is skilled. I’m anxious to see how much playing time the South Point transfer, Justin Hughes, gets. He’s only a FR, but, is uber talented & has decent size at 6-2. Really athletic, too. Definite future D1 player, IMO.

The post will once again be their weakness, although they’re bigger this season than they’ve been in recent years with Carter (6-6) & Hoskins (6-5). But, having 7-8 legit perimeter threats will help compensate for the lack of size. They play a seriously challenging schedule, too, & will be prepared for March. And, they will be shooting for their SEVENTH consecutive 16th region title, so, they don’t lack big game experience.

No doubt the football team got humiliated. But, I put that on the coach’s weak, play not to lose game plan more than the players. That was not Ashland football. Those kids aren’t soft. They’ll have something for Corbin, who will have to win this one without the benefit of every call going their way.

There we go---even if true, Corbin could have won that football game with a 200 penalty yard disadvantage. I agree with you, though, I thought the play timid, not to lose strategy , was very disappointing. You can't win a game like that without playing aggressive. Poor strategy on the part of the Ashland braintrusts.
#12
If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised.

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him, it many freshman are ready for that. He will be a really good one, but must get stronger. Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball.

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
#13
(11-28-2024, 10:23 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised. 

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him,  it many freshman are ready for that.      He will be a really good one,  but must get stronger.  Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball. 

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
I think they should just run everything through Carter and put shooters around him like you said. Very good passer that’s always willing to make the extra pass. He has so much offensive talent that it’s hard for any player in the state to guard him and if you give him any extra attention from a help defender he will make the right read and someone on Ashland will get a wide open 3. It would be very hard to game plan for this team. Run everything through Carter and let him create everything.  I can’t find anything on that kid from South Point, but I agree it’s hard for majority of freshman to play at the speed and physicality level that Ashland will need to win state.
#14
Absolutely nothing against Neal as a player, but i'm not so sure him being eligible would be a good thing. Just kind of clogs things up in my opinion. But after this year, he will definitely be a focal part of things going forward.
#15
(11-28-2024, 10:48 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:23 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised. 

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him,  it many freshman are ready for that.      He will be a really good one,  but must get stronger.  Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball. 

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
I think they should just run everything through Carter and put shooters around him like you said. Very good passer that’s always willing to make the extra pass. He has so much offensive talent that it’s hard for any player in the state to guard him and if you give him any extra attention from a help defender he will make the right read and someone on Ashland will get a wide open 3. It would be very hard to game plan for this team. Run everything through Carter and let him create everything.  I can’t find anything on that kid from South Point, but I agree it’s hard for majority of freshman to play at the speed and physicality level that Ashland will need to win state.
I agree running everything through Carter.  Get him ball at top of keys and spot four shooters around him as much as possible.  

Kid from South Point is a lanky combo guard more of a slasher than shooter which makes it harder to contribute right away at varsity level.   Probably 6’2 155ish.  Really athletic but not sure he plays much this year.   He isnt in the top 7 at least and may provide spot minutes and get experience JV.  I seen his aau group play couple times this summer.    He didn’t really stand out or team either.   Just don’t see many freshman coming into Ashland and getting meaningful minutes.   Hard to be ready physically.  

Fifteenth has only a couple freshman who will get minutes. Just hard for players who haven’t fully physically developed to compete with kids four years older.   They have to be put in good spot with help around them.    A set shooter would be best chance to play unless very special.
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(11-28-2024, 11:11 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:48 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:23 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised. 

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him,  it many freshman are ready for that.      He will be a really good one,  but must get stronger.  Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball. 

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
I think they should just run everything through Carter and put shooters around him like you said. Very good passer that’s always willing to make the extra pass. He has so much offensive talent that it’s hard for any player in the state to guard him and if you give him any extra attention from a help defender he will make the right read and someone on Ashland will get a wide open 3. It would be very hard to game plan for this team. Run everything through Carter and let him create everything.  I can’t find anything on that kid from South Point, but I agree it’s hard for majority of freshman to play at the speed and physicality level that Ashland will need to win state.
I agree running everything through Carter.  Get him ball at top of keys and spot four shooters around him as much as possible.  

Kid from South Point is a lanky combo guard more of a slasher than shooter which makes it harder to contribute right away at varsity level.   Probably 6’2 155ish.  Really athletic but not sure he plays much this year.   He isnt in the top 7 at least and may provide spot minutes and get experience JV.  I seen his aau group play couple times this summer.    He didn’t really stand out or team either.   Just don’t see many freshman coming into Ashland and getting meaningful minutes.   Hard to be ready physically.  

Fifteenth has only a couple freshman who will get minutes. Just hard for players who haven’t fully physically developed to compete with kids four years older.   They have to be put in good spot with help around them.    A set shooter would be best chance to play unless very special.
I appreciate the info on that kid from south point. Probably won’t see the floor much then at Ashland. What Freshman will have the most impact in the 15th region? I can’t really think of many.
#17
(11-28-2024, 09:20 PM)Old School Hound Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 04:59 PM)Tomcat91 Wrote: Yes, Ashland can absolutely win state, IMO. They are deep & every kid on the team is skilled. I’m anxious to see how much playing time the South Point transfer, Justin Hughes, gets. He’s only a FR, but, is uber talented & has decent size at 6-2. Really athletic, too. Definite future D1 player, IMO.

The post will once again be their weakness, although they’re bigger this season than they’ve been in recent years with Carter (6-6) & Hoskins (6-5). But, having 7-8 legit perimeter threats will help compensate for the lack of size. They play a seriously challenging schedule, too, & will be prepared for March. And, they will be shooting for their SEVENTH consecutive 16th region title, so, they don’t lack big game experience.

No doubt the football team got humiliated. But, I put that on the coach’s weak, play not to lose game plan more than the players. That was not Ashland football. Those kids aren’t soft. They’ll have something for Corbin, who will have to win this one without the benefit of every call going their way.

There we go---even if true, Corbin could have won that football game with a 200 penalty yard disadvantage. I agree with you, though, I thought the play timid, not to lose strategy , was very disappointing. You can't win a game like that without playing aggressive. Poor strategy on the part of the Ashland braintrusts.
I agree, I wasn’t blaming that loss on officiating. It’s on the coach, IMO. Although, the calls were mostly one sided, IMO. But, it didn’t affect the game nearly as much as Ashland playing/coaching scared. I was referring more to the basketball game these teams played in Corbin last season. Corbin won a close one. I didn’t see the game personally, but, several who did see it said it was bad.
#18
(11-28-2024, 10:23 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised. 

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him,  it many freshman are ready for that.      He will be a really good one,  but must get stronger.  Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball. 

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
I don’t think he’ll play much, or be a big factor, either. I’m just curious to see if he gets any meaningful varsity minutes, at all, outside of mop-up minutes. But, Ashland has had some FR contributors in recent years. I like this kid’s game though & think he’s gonna be a stud once he fills out. 

And, I agree that everything should run thru Carter. Davis will start at PG. He’s possibly the best athlete & defender on the team. And, his offense really came on toward the end of last season. But, that doesn’t mean that he’ll run the offense. It really won’t matter a whole lot with this team. Their top 6-7 can all handle & pass the ball, competently. They should be fun to watch.
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(11-29-2024, 12:01 AM)billymoore8123 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 11:11 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:48 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:23 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised. 

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him,  it many freshman are ready for that.      He will be a really good one,  but must get stronger.  Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball. 

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
I think they should just run everything through Carter and put shooters around him like you said. Very good passer that’s always willing to make the extra pass. He has so much offensive talent that it’s hard for any player in the state to guard him and if you give him any extra attention from a help defender he will make the right read and someone on Ashland will get a wide open 3. It would be very hard to game plan for this team. Run everything through Carter and let him create everything.  I can’t find anything on that kid from South Point, but I agree it’s hard for majority of freshman to play at the speed and physicality level that Ashland will need to win state.
I agree running everything through Carter.  Get him ball at top of keys and spot four shooters around him as much as possible.  

Kid from South Point is a lanky combo guard more of a slasher than shooter which makes it harder to contribute right away at varsity level.   Probably 6’2 155ish.  Really athletic but not sure he plays much this year.   He isnt in the top 7 at least and may provide spot minutes and get experience JV.  I seen his aau group play couple times this summer.    He didn’t really stand out or team either.   Just don’t see many freshman coming into Ashland and getting meaningful minutes.   Hard to be ready physically.  

Fifteenth has only a couple freshman who will get minutes. Just hard for players who haven’t fully physically developed to compete with kids four years older.   They have to be put in good spot with help around them.    A set shooter would be best chance to play unless very special.
I appreciate the info on that kid from south point. Probably won’t see the floor much then at Ashland. What Freshman will have the most impact in the 15th region? I can’t really think of many.
Dials will be a huge part of Martin County,  and will start and play point. 

Buck might be Floyd central leading scored behind Spriggs

I think Pike Centeal Might start a freshman 

and Knox Wallace got good minutes for Phelps.  

I think Lawrence has a freshman who could get spot minutes.

The sophomore class in15th is loaded.  Freshman’s class could be good but playing behind that group.
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(11-29-2024, 01:15 AM)15thregionwatcher Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 12:01 AM)billymoore8123 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 11:11 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:48 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:23 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised. 

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him,  it many freshman are ready for that.      He will be a really good one,  but must get stronger.  Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball. 

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
I think they should just run everything through Carter and put shooters around him like you said. Very good passer that’s always willing to make the extra pass. He has so much offensive talent that it’s hard for any player in the state to guard him and if you give him any extra attention from a help defender he will make the right read and someone on Ashland will get a wide open 3. It would be very hard to game plan for this team. Run everything through Carter and let him create everything.  I can’t find anything on that kid from South Point, but I agree it’s hard for majority of freshman to play at the speed and physicality level that Ashland will need to win state.
I agree running everything through Carter.  Get him ball at top of keys and spot four shooters around him as much as possible.  

Kid from South Point is a lanky combo guard more of a slasher than shooter which makes it harder to contribute right away at varsity level.   Probably 6’2 155ish.  Really athletic but not sure he plays much this year.   He isnt in the top 7 at least and may provide spot minutes and get experience JV.  I seen his aau group play couple times this summer.    He didn’t really stand out or team either.   Just don’t see many freshman coming into Ashland and getting meaningful minutes.   Hard to be ready physically.  

Fifteenth has only a couple freshman who will get minutes. Just hard for players who haven’t fully physically developed to compete with kids four years older.   They have to be put in good spot with help around them.    A set shooter would be best chance to play unless very special.
I appreciate the info on that kid from south point. Probably won’t see the floor much then at Ashland. What Freshman will have the most impact in the 15th region? I can’t really think of many.
Dials will be a huge part of Martin County,  and will start and play point. 

Buck might be Floyd central leading scored behind Spriggs

I think Pike Centeal Might start a freshman 

and Knox Wallace got good minutes for Phelps.  

I think Lawrence has a freshman who could get spot minutes.

The sophomore class in15th is loaded.  Freshman’s class could be good but playing behind that group.
I agree on the 2027 class being very good. Imo this is one of the most talented classes the region has ever saw. It’s LOADED
#21
(11-28-2024, 08:38 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote: He may be a good coach and may have some good pieces but this Ashland Team is one of the better eastern kentucky teams i’ve saw in a while. I bet they win by more then 30


 I bet they win by less than 30.  Probably WAY less. Didn't Corbin beat them last season?
#22
(11-28-2024, 08:38 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote: He may be a good coach and may have some good pieces but this Ashland Team is one of the better eastern kentucky teams i’ve saw in a while. I bet they win by more then 30
How would this Ashland team compare to the 2020 undefeated (33-0) Ashland team?

(11-28-2024, 10:23 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: If the freshman from south point gets a lot of important minutes they might not be as good as advertised. 

He is a really nice player but not physically ready for teams that Ashland wants to be on same level as. Not a knock on him,  it many freshman are ready for that.      He will be a really good one,  but must get stronger.  Huge difference from Ohio Middle school to top tier varsity basketball. 

If Neal gets eligible (not sure that happens at Ashland ) Wonder how their point guard situation looks. Is it Davis? smith? Or just run everything through Carter and put shooters all around him?
I don’t know about the freshman you are referring to but many freshman these days are actually sophomores age wise. Quite a few are held back for sports, as much for football as basketball.
#23
Somehow forgot McKenzie at JC will start and run point for them as a freshman.

Sorry we got off topic, how many guys will Ashland play this season?
#24
Is Hoskins eligible? I had heard he and Neel may be long shots to get eligible and Jennings isn’t even playing.
#25
(11-29-2024, 04:29 AM)TribeTime Wrote: Is Hoskins eligible? I had heard he and Neel may be long shots to get eligible and Jennings isn’t even playing.

Jennings isn't playing??
#26
(11-28-2024, 07:11 PM)LOOKAYANNER Wrote: I was way off in my Corbin-Ashland football prediction. But I’m pretty confident that the basketball Tomcats will beat Corbin 20+ in Ashland. They’re pretty solid this season.

I’m looking forward to seeing the game at Hazard vs Ashland on December 6. Hazard is the top rated team in the 14th and generally defend their home court (Memorial Gym, opened 1950) very well. However, I believe Ashland has way too much firepower for the Bulldogs.
I agree way to much firepower but its hard to beat 8, and if you've played their you know what I mean.

(11-29-2024, 02:17 AM)Old School Hound Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 08:38 PM)billymoore8123 Wrote: He may be a good coach and may have some good pieces but this Ashland Team is one of the better eastern kentucky teams i’ve saw in a while. I bet they win by more then 30


 I bet they win by less than 30.  Probably WAY less. Didn't Corbin beat them last season?
Yes they did by 4 pts, I watched that game. No Curry(who in my opinion was one of the best defenders in the state).  Sorry I support the 13th teams big time but Ashland in a blowout.
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(11-29-2024, 02:12 PM)Fanman Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 04:29 AM)TribeTime Wrote: Is Hoskins eligible? I had heard he and Neel may be long shots to get eligible and Jennings isn’t even playing.

Jennings isn't playing??

Was told he was focusing on football and being an early enrollee in college.
#28
(11-29-2024, 04:08 PM)TribeTime Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 02:12 PM)Fanman Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 04:29 AM)TribeTime Wrote: Is Hoskins eligible? I had heard he and Neel may be long shots to get eligible and Jennings isn’t even playing.

Jennings isn't playing??

Was told he was focusing on football and being an early enrollee in college.

I’m hearing more injuries from football and the same with Davis. If that is true with Neel being ruled ineligible and possible others. APB will be thin and could finished 3rd or 4th in the region. They have a real chance of starting 0-3. GC, Hazard, and BC being the first three games of the season. Davis and Jennings will heal and be on the floor by mid to late December I’m sure.
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(11-29-2024, 04:59 PM)HOOPFAN Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 04:08 PM)TribeTime Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 02:12 PM)Fanman Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 04:29 AM)TribeTime Wrote: Is Hoskins eligible? I had heard he and Neel may be long shots to get eligible and Jennings isn’t even playing.

Jennings isn't playing??

Was told he was focusing on football and being an early enrollee in college.

I’m hearing more injuries from football and the same with Davis. If that is true with Neel being ruled ineligible and possible others. APB will be thin and could finished 3rd or 4th in the region.  They have a real chance of starting 0-3. GC, Hazard, and BC being the first three games of the season. Davis and Jennings will heal and be on the floor by  mid to late December I’m sure.
I am by no means a Ashland Fan but I am a realist and i’ve saw them very recently in a closed practice scene and even without neel and others as long as they have Zander Carter they will beat Hazard and Boyd. They have too many good shooters and the best guard in the state. 0-3 is crazy. 2-1 at worst.
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(11-28-2024, 10:41 AM)LOOKAYANNER Wrote:
(11-27-2024, 11:55 PM)Fanman Wrote: Oh God, here we go. Wait for it....
Woah Smile
Daddy will be here shortly.
He finally made it lol

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