[Hoot Gibson]

Good God what idiots these liberals on here are. I am so thankful no one I know is even 1% as idiotic.

This is from a supposedly man who has conversations with a Catturd

And, don't forget, our conservative chaps talk to an imaginary friend in the sky as well.  They lost credibility before there was credibility.  LOL

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 Those dastardly Ruskies. When it suits liberal narratives, Russian disinformation is given as the excuse for not investigating criminals such as Hunter and Joe Biden. When the information leaked by the Russians bashes Trump, the that information is treated as the absolute truth. You socialists have got to be the most illogical, hyper-partisan hacks in U.S. history. 

The credibility of a source does not vary based on whether the leak is what you have been praying to hear. The four chumps ride again!

Quooter the pee tapes I believe happened when the King was in Moscow for a beauty pageant and asked where Obama and his wife stayed at and which room. So he took a couple of Prostitutes to the room and got them to pee on the bed while he watched. At the same time the Russians vide taped it. This should come as no surprise to anyone that has known the King.

I wonder if Donald's hired wh%res were teenagers like Matty Gaetz' ?    Wouldn't shock me if it eventually comes out they were 12 or 13.  Guess what, though? These Trumpers , particularly the evangelicals, would still be onboard the Trump train. Would probably praise his virility.

This coming from the perpetually triggered dude whose sCiEnCe tells him there was a magic "big bang" that came out of total and complete nothingness and set off a chain of events that resulted in all of us being descendants of monkeys.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking , Richard Dawkins   or  Jet ,  TRT , Gibber GAB(ber) ,  and Catturd .  I will cast my lot with the former group and encourage the latter group to seek mental help and serious deprogramming.  LOL 

Here's  8 minutes on how we got here. I doubt that you folks who rely on plagiarized stories from Near Eastern myths and religions will spend 8 minutes to learn the truth, so I will also post a condensed  version as well.






Reader's Digest version for those hooked on myth and superstition and have had their critical thinking skills shut off by years of indoctrination:

It is a pretty sad statement of one's self worth when they continuously are compelled to associate themselves with people who are clearly their intellectual superior, all on the mistaken belief that their own intellect is on par with their human idols. You are not a smart man, OSH, and it does not matter how many names of smart atheists and pop scientists you drop, it will not improve your own IQ.

[TheRealThing]

Cast your lot with whom ever you choose OSH. Albert Einstein, whether out of refusal to admit to the Supreme Intellect or whether like you, being driven of contempt, chose not to believe in God because he was a lost man and could not bring himself to submit. Like you, that was Einstein's choice to make. And all who choose to face God outside of the gift of grace the Lord Jesus sacrificed so much to give, will suffer eternally for so doing.

Carl Sagan's 'lot' is the same as you and Einstein and Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and Stephen Hawking, and Richard Dawkins; if you will not bow before your Creator you will suffer eternally for your stubbornness. 

I wrote on relativity over in the religion forum, Einstein and Hawking may have had a handle on certain scientific aspects of time, (many of them I agree with BTW) but their closed mindedness caused them to miss the obvious as their theories were retro engineered in a manner intended to eliminate the possibility of the existence of God as He describes Himself within the Scriptures. The "Relativity" thread. And BTW, you left out the granddaddy of them all, Charles Darwin. Darwin even admitted that he was troubled by his own sin and thus forged a reality more palatable than that of the certain judgment that awaited him. As I have quoted from Romans, God revealed Himself to every man through His creation, so that they are without excuse.

ALL truth is of God, there are no partitions between secular and spiritual truths such as the lie of the Separation of Church and State. There is only the truth as compared to lies. God versus Satan in other words--- "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44

The Lord Jesus--- “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6

Anyone who would compromise the truth is a liar and a deceiver.

[jetpilot]

LOL! Play the drinking game and take a shot every time you hear the word "evolved" in that video and you will be passed out in no time flat lol..."evolved" means no sCiEnCe and they have no clue. But connect a zillion dots from a magic cell that came from nothingness to salamanders to squid to turtles to 50 other animals to monkeys to us. All from nothing. Stupidest stuff ever and not backed up 1/10000 of 1 percent by ScIeNcE. Butthead voice: "Huh huh...dumb people..uh huh huh huh"

[jetpilot]

Cast your lot with whom ever you choose OSH. Albert Einstein, whether out of refusal to admit to the Supreme Intellect or whether like you, being driven of contempt, chose not to believe in God because he was a lost man and could not bring himself to submit. Like you, that was Einstein's choice to make. And all who choose to face God outside of the gift of grace the Lord Jesus sacrificed so much to give, will suffer eternally for so doing.

Carl Sagan's 'lot' is the same as you and Einstein and Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and Stephen Hawking, and Richard Dawkins; if you will not bow before your Creator you will suffer eternally for your stubbornness. 

I wrote on relativity over in the religion forum, Einstein and Hawking may have had a handle on certain scientific aspects of time, (many of them I agree with BTW) but their closed mindedness caused them to miss the obvious as <<their theories were retro engineered in a manner intended to eliminate the possibility of the existence of God>> as He describes Himself within the Scriptures. The "Relativity" thread. And BTW, you left out the granddaddy of them all, Charles Darwin. Darwin even admitted that he was troubled by his own sin and thus forged a reality more palatable than that of the certain judgment that awaited him. As I have quoted from Romans, God revealed Himself to every man through His creation, so that they are without excuse.

ALL truth is of God, there are no partitions between secular and spiritual truths such as the lie of the Separation of Church and State. There is only the truth as compared to lies. God versus Satan in other words--- "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44

The Lord Jesus--- “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6

Anyone who would compromise the truth is a liar and a deceiver.

That's exactly what they did. And even worse, somehow dumb people think it's sCiEnCe when there is no science whatsoever in their "theories"

[TheRealThing]

Theories aren't even these guys actual opinions many times. Oh they do the work and construct an elaborate enough scaffolding so as to seem complex and labored enough to pass as science. But in their hearts they know better. Lost men whistling in the dark.

[vector#1]

Theories aren't even these guys actual opinions many times. Oh they do the work and construct an elaborate enough scaffolding so as to seem complex and labored enough to pass as science. But in their hearts they know better. Lost men whistling in the dark.

TRT that's exactly the way I feel about the so called Big Lie you and the other 2 Trumpsters on here so vigorously defend but I believe in their hearts they know better. Lost men whistling in the dark.

[TheRealThing]

The scientists of Old School Hound's mention and the objects of his affection,  Sagan and the rest, all base their reason for life on the lie that God does not exist. Darwin's theory is a total sham in that the theory is a cheat. A marksman who starts off by approaching the target to place the bullet in the bullseye, and then walks back to the firing line to pick up his pistol and fake the shot in reverse order, will never miss. Darwin assumed all complex life forms evolved from lower life forms in an endless procession of forward leaps he referred to as adaptations, over an impossibly long period of time. He then proceeded to invent the evidence he needed to validate his assumption using known science combined with faked fossil finds. Darwin's work like all the rest, was not a journey to the truth, it was rather a journey to a lie. The backstory has developed over time to include the notion that all life started off as amino acids stringing themselves together into dna strands in a puddle of goo.

As to the other theories-- I do accept the idea that time did not start until the formation of the universe. I do not accept the idea that everything that is, are just chips off the old block. If there was nothing according to Sagan et-al, nothing means no light, not so much as one degree of temperature, no movement, no relativism or space between objects that did not yet exist, no energy of any kind just the void of space. Then from where did the rock that produced the big bang come? And how did it explode if there were no forces of nature yet in existence to cause the explosion?

God created the elements of the universe by merely speaking them into existence. And don't forget, God is not a fleshly being, He is spirit. We have no idea of the things that existed prior to the creation when the countdown was started, ticking down the days of men.

John 4:24 
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

1Cor 2: 14
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All we know is what we see around us. Those things are governed by the power of God, the natural laws observed by the scientists of this world in other words. Those laws are all natural men know, they cannot know the things of God and ought not make pronouncements about God which run contrary to His Word.

It takes every bit as much faith, even more so, to buy into something as ludicrous as an exploding rock being the beginning of all things, than to believe in God, Whom gives men the faith to believe in Him in the form of a gift.

[Hoot Gibson]

The scientists of Old School Hound's mention and the objects of his affection,  Sagan and the rest, all base their reason for life on the lie that God does not exist. Darwin's theory is a total sham in that the theory is a cheat. A marksman who starts off by approaching the target to place the bullet in the bullseye, and then walks back to the firing line to pick up his pistol and fake the shot in reverse order, will never miss. Darwin assumed all complex life forms evolved from lower life forms in an endless procession of forward leaps he referred to as adaptations, over an impossibly long period of time. He then proceeded to invent the evidence he needed to validate his assumption using known science combined with faked fossil finds. Darwin's work like all the rest, was not a journey to the truth, it was rather a journey to a lie. The backstory has developed over time to include the notion that all life started off as amino acids stringing themselves together into dna strands in a puddle of goo.

As to the other theories-- I do accept the idea that time did not start until the formation of the universe. I do not accept the idea that everything that is, are just chips off the old block. If there was nothing according to Sagan et-al, nothing means no light, not so much as one degree of temperature, no movement, no relativism or space between objects that did not yet exist, no energy of any kind just the void of space. Then from where did the rock that produced the big bang come? And how did it explode if there were no forces of nature yet in existence to cause the explosion?

God created the elements of the universe by merely speaking them into existence. And don't forget, God is not a fleshly being, He is spirit. We have no idea of the things that existed prior to the creation when the countdown was started, ticking down the days of men.

John 4:24 
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

1Cor 2: 14
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All we know is what we see around us. Those things are governed by the power of God, the natural laws observed by the scientists of this world. Those laws are all natural men know, they cannot know the things of God and ought not pronouncements about God which run contrary to His Word.

It takes every bit as much faith, even more so, to buy into something as ludicrous as an exploding rock being the beginning of all things, than to believe in God, Whom gives men the faith to believe in Him in the form of a gift.

It takes faith to believe in anything that cannot be proven, whether it is a religious belief or a scientific theory. Based on the scientific theory of the creation of the universe, scientists will never be able to observe the creation of the universe because the speed of light and the theory of general relativity would prevent them from ever observing the big bang event. That uncertainty alone should logically persuade anybody from ruling out the possibility that God exists and declaring himself an atheist.

Scientists will never be able to state with certainty, from a strictly scientific perspective, the origin of the matter and energy that comprises our universe. It is a logical fallacy to disbelieve the existence of God on the basis that His existence cannot be proven through science, yet believe in a Big Bang theory that cannot be tested because of the absence of evidence at the time of the creation of the universe, including time.

[jetpilot]

The scientists of Old School Hound's mention and the objects of his affection,  Sagan and the rest, all base their reason for life on the lie that God does not exist. Darwin's theory is a total sham in that the theory is a cheat. A marksman who starts off by approaching the target to place the bullet in the bullseye, and then walks back to the firing line to pick up his pistol and fake the shot in reverse order, will never miss. Darwin assumed all complex life forms evolved from lower life forms in an endless procession of forward leaps he referred to as adaptations, over an impossibly long period of time. He then proceeded to invent the evidence he needed to validate his assumption using known science combined with faked fossil finds. Darwin's work like all the rest, was not a journey to the truth, it was rather a journey to a lie. The backstory has developed over time to include the notion that all life started off as amino acids stringing themselves together into dna strands in a puddle of goo.

As to the other theories-- I do accept the idea that time did not start until the formation of the universe. I do not accept the idea that everything that is, are just chips off the old block. If there was nothing according to Sagan et-al, nothing means no light, not so much as one degree of temperature, no movement, no relativism or space between objects that did not yet exist, no energy of any kind just the void of space. Then from where did the rock that produced the big bang come? And how did it explode if there were no forces of nature yet in existence to cause the explosion?

God created the elements of the universe by merely speaking them into existence. And don't forget, God is not a fleshly being, He is spirit. We have no idea of the things that existed prior to the creation when the countdown was started, ticking down the days of men.

John 4:24 
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

1Cor 2: 14
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All we know is what we see around us. Those things are governed by the power of God, the natural laws observed by the scientists of this world in other words. Those laws are all natural men know, they cannot know the things of God and ought not make pronouncements about God which run contrary to His Word.

It takes every bit as much faith, even more so, to buy into something as ludicrous as an exploding rock being the beginning of all things, than to believe in God, Whom gives men the faith to believe in Him in the form of a gift.

Exactly how I feel. It's very simple, we either came from God (or some other infinite intelligence if anyone wants to go that route) or we came from nothing. Atheists try to theorize something in between that could not possibly come into being from complete nothingness. There is no magic cell, magic boom or no magic pixie dust that magically came to be from complete nothingness.

[Hoot Gibson]

The scientists of Old School Hound's mention and the objects of his affection,  Sagan and the rest, all base their reason for life on the lie that God does not exist. Darwin's theory is a total sham in that the theory is a cheat. A marksman who starts off by approaching the target to place the bullet in the bullseye, and then walks back to the firing line to pick up his pistol and fake the shot in reverse order, will never miss. Darwin assumed all complex life forms evolved from lower life forms in an endless procession of forward leaps he referred to as adaptations, over an impossibly long period of time. He then proceeded to invent the evidence he needed to validate his assumption using known science combined with faked fossil finds. Darwin's work like all the rest, was not a journey to the truth, it was rather a journey to a lie. The backstory has developed over time to include the notion that all life started off as amino acids stringing themselves together into dna strands in a puddle of goo.

As to the other theories-- I do accept the idea that time did not start until the formation of the universe. I do not accept the idea that everything that is, are just chips off the old block. If there was nothing according to Sagan et-al, nothing means no light, not so much as one degree of temperature, no movement, no relativism or space between objects that did not yet exist, no energy of any kind just the void of space. Then from where did the rock that produced the big bang come? And how did it explode if there were no forces of nature yet in existence to cause the explosion?

God created the elements of the universe by merely speaking them into existence. And don't forget, God is not a fleshly being, He is spirit. We have no idea of the things that existed prior to the creation when the countdown was started, ticking down the days of men.

John 4:24 
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

1Cor 2: 14
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All we know is what we see around us. Those things are governed by the power of God, the natural laws observed by the scientists of this world in other words. Those laws are all natural men know, they cannot know the things of God and ought not make pronouncements about God which run contrary to His Word.

It takes every bit as much faith, even more so, to buy into something as ludicrous as an exploding rock being the beginning of all things, than to believe in God, Whom gives men the faith to believe in Him in the form of a gift.

Exactly how I feel. It's very simple, we either came from God (or some other infinite intelligence if anyone wants to go that route) or we came from nothing. Atheists try to theorize something in between that could not possibly come into being from complete nothingness. There is no magic cell, magic boom or no magic pixie dust that magically came to be from complete nothingness.

But Old School Hound's faith in the Big Bang Theory is based on the opinions of atheists who are scientists. That makes him an order of magnitude smarter than ordinary mortals. As we saw over the past year and a half, following the science according to Dr. Fauci could give a man whiplash.

[jetpilot]

The scientists of Old School Hound's mention and the objects of his affection,  Sagan and the rest, all base their reason for life on the lie that God does not exist. Darwin's theory is a total sham in that the theory is a cheat. A marksman who starts off by approaching the target to place the bullet in the bullseye, and then walks back to the firing line to pick up his pistol and fake the shot in reverse order, will never miss. Darwin assumed all complex life forms evolved from lower life forms in an endless procession of forward leaps he referred to as adaptations, over an impossibly long period of time. He then proceeded to invent the evidence he needed to validate his assumption using known science combined with faked fossil finds. Darwin's work like all the rest, was not a journey to the truth, it was rather a journey to a lie. The backstory has developed over time to include the notion that all life started off as amino acids stringing themselves together into dna strands in a puddle of goo.

As to the other theories-- I do accept the idea that time did not start until the formation of the universe. I do not accept the idea that everything that is, are just chips off the old block. If there was nothing according to Sagan et-al, nothing means no light, not so much as one degree of temperature, no movement, no relativism or space between objects that did not yet exist, no energy of any kind just the void of space. Then from where did the rock that produced the big bang come? And how did it explode if there were no forces of nature yet in existence to cause the explosion?

God created the elements of the universe by merely speaking them into existence. And don't forget, God is not a fleshly being, He is spirit. We have no idea of the things that existed prior to the creation when the countdown was started, ticking down the days of men.

John 4:24 
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

1Cor 2: 14
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All we know is what we see around us. Those things are governed by the power of God, the natural laws observed by the scientists of this world in other words. Those laws are all natural men know, they cannot know the things of God and ought not make pronouncements about God which run contrary to His Word.

It takes every bit as much faith, even more so, to buy into something as ludicrous as an exploding rock being the beginning of all things, than to believe in God, Whom gives men the faith to believe in Him in the form of a gift.

Exactly how I feel. It's very simple, we either came from God (or some other infinite intelligence if anyone wants to go that route) or we came from nothing. Atheists try to theorize something in between that could not possibly come into being from complete nothingness. There is no magic cell, magic boom or no magic pixie dust that magically came to be from complete nothingness.

But Old School Hound's faith in the Big Bang Theory is based on the opinions of atheists who are scientists. That makes him an order of magnitude smarter than ordinary mortals. As we saw over the past year and a half, following the science according to Dr. Fauci could give a man whiplash.

Agreed, but a scientist or someone living in a box under a bridge can tell you that something came from nothing and they are equally scientific. OSH doesn't want to believe that because he is trying (and failing) to reverse-engineer as science how he wants to view the universe. He is trying to trick his brain into believing that evolution is "science". Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Hoot Gibson]

The scientists of Old School Hound's mention and the objects of his affection,  Sagan and the rest, all base their reason for life on the lie that God does not exist. Darwin's theory is a total sham in that the theory is a cheat. A marksman who starts off by approaching the target to place the bullet in the bullseye, and then walks back to the firing line to pick up his pistol and fake the shot in reverse order, will never miss. Darwin assumed all complex life forms evolved from lower life forms in an endless procession of forward leaps he referred to as adaptations, over an impossibly long period of time. He then proceeded to invent the evidence he needed to validate his assumption using known science combined with faked fossil finds. Darwin's work like all the rest, was not a journey to the truth, it was rather a journey to a lie. The backstory has developed over time to include the notion that all life started off as amino acids stringing themselves together into dna strands in a puddle of goo.

As to the other theories-- I do accept the idea that time did not start until the formation of the universe. I do not accept the idea that everything that is, are just chips off the old block. If there was nothing according to Sagan et-al, nothing means no light, not so much as one degree of temperature, no movement, no relativism or space between objects that did not yet exist, no energy of any kind just the void of space. Then from where did the rock that produced the big bang come? And how did it explode if there were no forces of nature yet in existence to cause the explosion?

God created the elements of the universe by merely speaking them into existence. And don't forget, God is not a fleshly being, He is spirit. We have no idea of the things that existed prior to the creation when the countdown was started, ticking down the days of men.

John 4:24 
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

1Cor 2: 14
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All we know is what we see around us. Those things are governed by the power of God, the natural laws observed by the scientists of this world in other words. Those laws are all natural men know, they cannot know the things of God and ought not make pronouncements about God which run contrary to His Word.

It takes every bit as much faith, even more so, to buy into something as ludicrous as an exploding rock being the beginning of all things, than to believe in God, Whom gives men the faith to believe in Him in the form of a gift.

Exactly how I feel. It's very simple, we either came from God (or some other infinite intelligence if anyone wants to go that route) or we came from nothing. Atheists try to theorize something in between that could not possibly come into being from complete nothingness. There is no magic cell, magic boom or no magic pixie dust that magically came to be from complete nothingness.

But Old School Hound's faith in the Big Bang Theory is based on the opinions of atheists who are scientists. That makes him an order of magnitude smarter than ordinary mortals. As we saw over the past year and a half, following the science according to Dr. Fauci could give a man whiplash.

Agreed, but a scientist or someone living in a box under a bridge can tell you that something came from nothing and they are equally scientific. OSH doesn't want to believe that because he is trying (and failing) to reverse-engineer as science how he wants to view the universe. He is trying to trick his brain into believing that evolution is "science". Nothing could be further from the truth.

I believe that evolution has and continues to occur but at the same time, that does not mean that we evolved from monkeys. Simple organisms with short life spans do evolve to maximize their species' chances of survival. Humans have selectively bred animals for millennia to get the characteristics they want in domesticated animals. Bacteria evolve into strains that are more resistant to anti-biotics. But the gaps in fossil records are too large to connect the dots between every species that has ever existed. There may be millions of species that went extinct without leaving a trace.

I also believe that physicists have done an incredible job developing the theories to explain how the universe works well enough that will someday allow our descendants to travel to other star systems. But scientists will never be able to test the Big Bang Theory or explain with certainty any events, the light from which has already passed our planet. If we miss seeing a one-time event, then we will never get a second chance. So it is with Creation. Scientists cannot explain it with scientific certainty and they will never be able to do so.

[jetpilot]

I agree species adapt and improve. But not from nothingness to a magic cell to a speaking human being. Not to mention how the zillions of objects other than human beings come to be. If you keep going back to whatever everything "evolved" from, whatever that is, then where did that thing come from? I don't need to prove or disprove if a big bang happened. I already know someone just made it up out of thin air with zero evidence or scientific facts. Why would I try to disprove something someone made up with no facts or evidence? How can anyone even attempt to prove all this came from nothing? It is ridiculous on its face. Any theory atheists push can be shot down in a second by what I highlighted in TRT's post, end of story. People can think as hard and long and deep as they wish and can have IQs of 200 and they will still be right back to that simple fact that they have no evidence they can argue for, much less have a answer for, that we came from nothing.

One last thing, do you agree with the premise that we either came from God (or infinite intelligence) or we came from nothing? If not, please explain your reasoning.