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I'm resigned to a Clinton Presidency.
#31
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Trump was a no show in Colorado and consequently, he has no chance of carrying the state in November. Trump made a mistake in ducking the Colorado convention and then compounded the mistake by attacking the Colorado Republican Party.



Now, this I agree with. Except the Colorado Republican Party's complicity was proven by the deleted tweet.
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#32
TheRealThing Wrote:Now, this I agree with. Except the Colorado Republican Party's complicity was proven by the deleted tweet.
What complicity? Trump was a no show, did not ask for the delegates' votes, and then claimed the system was rigged against him. Vintage Trump - and it will be the same excuse that he uses when he loses in November. Great leaders do not whine. They learn from their defeats, adjust fire, and resolve to do better.

I truly despise Trump, but I really wish that he would show some signs of actually wanting to win the election. He cannot expect to win by getting outspent badly in campaign ads, while waging war with major media outlets like the Washington Post and New York Times. Either he has to start running ads to communicate a coherent message directly to potential voters, or he needs to improve his relationship with the media. I don't see the latter as a realistic option, but continuing to deny press credentials to the WP is not going to improve their coverage of him.

Trump is running a real danger of having the GOP panic over his low poll numbers and cutting his funding. It would not be the first time that has happened to a Republican nominee. The party has a responsibility to spend money where it can do the most good and if Trump looks likes a loser much longer, then Priebus and Company will start treating him like one. As bad as a Hillary presidency would be, losing control of Congress would be even worse.

I look forward to the day that the Republican Party fires Reince Priebus. He has been an absolute disaster for the GOP at the national level.
#33
Hoot Gibson Wrote:What complicity? Trump was a no show, did not ask for the delegates' votes, and then claimed the system was rigged against him. Vintage Trump - and it will be the same excuse that he uses when he loses in November. Great leaders do not whine. They learn from their defeats, adjust fire, and resolve to do better.

I truly despise Trump, but I really wish that he would show some signs of actually wanting to win the election. He cannot expect to win by getting outspent badly in campaign ads, while waging war with major media outlets like the Washington Post and New York Times. Either he has to start running ads to communicate a coherent message directly to potential voters, or he needs to improve his relationship with the media. I don't see the latter as a realistic option, but continuing to deny press credentials to the WP is not going to improve their coverage of him.

Trump is running a real danger of having the GOP panic over his low poll numbers and cutting his funding. It would not be the first time that has happened to a Republican nominee. The party has a responsibility to spend money where it can do the most good and if Trump looks likes a loser much longer, then Priebus and Company will start treating him like one. As bad as a Hillary presidency would be, losing control of Congress would be even worse.

I look forward to the day that the Republican Party fires Reince Priebus. He has been an absolute disaster for the GOP at the national level.

In the next election cycle we go back to the litmus tested GOP nominee that is the lab dog of the establishment and the 1%. The same GOP that has been totally unresponsive to its own base by exporting jobs and importing labour. We will have an electoral map where North Carolina, Virginia and Georgia are solid blue states. We will have a society whose voting majority is dependent on Government in one form or another. Finally, will we have an alienated evangelical and 2A base livid that the GOP conceded SCOTUS by failing to support its own nominee.

There will be NO path to conservative governing after this cycle.
#34
Pick6 Wrote:In the next election cycle we go back to the litmus tested GOP nominee that is the lab dog of the establishment and the 1%. The same GOP that has been totally unresponsive to its own base by exporting jobs and importing labour. We will have an electoral map where North Carolina, Virginia and Georgia are solid blue states. We will have a society whose voting majority is dependent on Government in one form or another. Finally, will we have an alienated evangelical and 2A base livid that the GOP conceded SCOTUS by failing to support its own nominee.

There will be NO path to conservative governing after this cycle.



In recognizing this fact, you demonstrate a much clearer understanding of the matter than Hoot. :Clap:
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#35
Bob Seger Wrote:At the end of the day it will not be democrats who put Hillary Clinton in the White House, it will be self proclaimed "conservative republicans" who put her there.

I don't care how badly you may detest Donald Trump, there is no excuse for not supporting him if you truly have those values that you profess to have...Guess what? You are no better or no different than the slime balls who vote for Hillary Clinton....You are on the exact same level as the John McCain's, Lindsey Grahams, John Boehners, the Mitch McConnels, and the other republican pieces of shit who sold their souls to the democratic party years ago...And don't say you have morals either, because if your actions play a direct responsibility for putting the evil witch in the White House,you prove that you don't.

That's just the way it is.

It will be the self-proclaimed "conservative Republicans" that put Hillary in office, many of them of which voted for the moderate Donald Trump in the primary. The Republican Party should have easily taken this election even with most media outlets pulling for Hillary. There is no way they should have been able to mess this up, but yet they found a way to. Trump has a way of connecting with many of his supporters, but he really struggles to connect outside of that group - even in his own party.
#36
I don't think you realize that its the interests that Trump threatens that finance his opposition, which in this case, is the liberal press. Do you think that the %1 ers want a rolled back trade agreements? They are the ones benefiting from outsourced manufacturing and imported labour.
#37
Pick6 Wrote:I don't think you realize that its the interests that Trump threatens that finance his opposition, which in this case, is the liberal press. Do you think that the %1 ers want a rolled back trade agreements? They are the ones benefiting from outsourced manufacturing and imported labour.
Trump has no problem with outsourcing his own companies's jobs, both by having his products manufactured overseas and in Mexico, and by using visa programs to avoid hiring more expensive and qualified American workers. Don't hold your breath waiting for Trump to put more Americans to work. He could do that now if he really wanted to.
#38
Pick6 Wrote:I don't think you realize that its the interests that Trump threatens that finance his opposition, which in this case, is the liberal press. Do you think that the %1 ers want a rolled back trade agreements? They are the ones benefiting from outsourced manufacturing and imported labour.

After seeing the press tear up McCain and Romney, when did I say that the press was biased for Trump with the exception being the primary?

Trump has done quite well taking advantage of the outsourced manufacturing and imported labor. I'm not a big fan of these trade agreements we make myself, but Trump certainly has used it to his advantage in both these areas so it's hard to take it serious when he speaks out against them.
#39
WideRight05 Wrote:After seeing the press tear up McCain and Romney, when did I say that the press was biased for Trump with the exception being the primary?

Trump has done quite well taking advantage of the outsourced manufacturing and imported labor. I'm not a big fan of these trade agreements we make myself, but Trump certainly has used it to his advantage in both these areas so it's hard to take it serious when he speaks out against them.

The press was against Romney and McCain, but in those cycles, they at least put up a pretense of objectivity. The magnitude of misrepresentation, distortion and out right lies from the press in this cycle have no comparison in any cycle in my lifetime. The entire political press has descended to the level of tabloid journalism. They are overt propaganda tools that have been purchased by the 1% ers and establishment interests that Trump threatens.
#40
Pick6 Wrote:The press was against Romney and McCain, but in those cycles, they at least put up a pretense of objectivity. The magnitude of misrepresentation, distortion and out right lies from the press in this cycle have no comparison in any cycle in my lifetime. The entire political press has descended to the level of tabloid journalism. They are overt propaganda tools that have been purchased by the 1% ers and establishment interests that Trump threatens.

I hope the next ISIS attack is in the beltway.

2008 was the first election I voted in and even though I voted McCain, I remember 2012 especially because I followed it a lot more. The press was probably more biased for Obama when they were for Hillary. I do agree with you that the press has descended to the level of tabloid journalism and is a complete joke. Yes, they are biased against Donald Trump, but he has given them a smoking gun at times. See his Twitter and some of the content he posts on there. There are times that he is attacked and it is propaganda, but there are also times when he brings the heat on himself.
#41
WideRight05 Wrote:2008 was the first election I voted in and even though I voted McCain, I remember 2012 especially because I followed it a lot more. The press was probably more biased for Obama when they were for Hillary. I do agree with you that the press has descended to the level of tabloid journalism and is a complete joke. Yes, they are biased against Donald Trump, but he has given them a smoking gun at times. See his Twitter and some of the content he posts on there. There are times that he is attacked and it is propaganda, but there are also times when he brings the heat on himself.

You should have been around as a McCain supporter in 2000. McCain has an adopted child with dark skin. Allies of George W. Bush circulated McCain's family photo in South Carolina stirring up enough racial animus to cost McCain that primary and the nomination.

I'm not sure anyone out side of Jesus himself could politically survive the collective onslaught of this political press. We are on the path to socialism now. There is no stopping it except for war or economic depression.
#42
Pick6 Wrote:The press was against Romney and McCain, but in those cycles, they at least put up a pretense of objectivity. The magnitude of misrepresentation, distortion and out right lies from the press in this cycle have no comparison in any cycle in my lifetime. The entire political press has descended to the level of tabloid journalism. They are overt propaganda tools that have been purchased by the 1% ers and establishment interests that Trump threatens.
There was no pretense of objectivity in 2008 or 2012. I recall that in one of the elections, MSNBC had Chris Matthews and Keith Obermann as co-anchors of its election night coverage. For at least the past 44 years, the media has always been strongly biased against whomever the Republican nominee has been. When Reagan ran for re-election in 1984, the media suddenly discovered homeless people and ran nightly stories about the "crisis" of homelessness, despite the fact that the economy was booming and there was much more misery, unemployment and homelessness during Jimmy Carter's term.

No Republican in my memory has ever received the amount of free, positive publicity during any campaign as Trump has received from the Fox News and Business channels. Not only that, once Jeb Bush and Rubio faltered, Fox's news coverage of Ted Cruz was as vicious as Trump's coverage was positive.

Trump and his supporters were fools to think that the mainstream media would cover him fairly during the general campaign. They were also foolish to think that Trump would be competitive by relying so much on "earned" media, instead of airing paid ads.

I canceled my subscription to the Lexington-Herald Leader in 1988 when I saw major front page stories about the failing Massachusetts economy under Michael Dukakis in the Wall Street Journal and other media outlets not even covered by the H-L.

The media has served as the propaganda arm of the Democrats for many years. Trump needs to stop whining about it and stop denying press credentials to reporters because he is only making things tougher on himself. Whining does not produce votes. Neither does attacking members of his own party.
#43
Hoot Gibson Wrote:There was no pretense of objectivity in 2008 or 2012. I recall that in one of the elections, MSNBC had Chris Matthews and Keith Obermann as co-anchors of its election night coverage. For at least the past 44 years, the media has always been strongly biased against whomever the Republican nominee has been. When Reagan ran for re-election in 1984, the media suddenly discovered homeless people and ran nightly stories about the "crisis" of homelessness, despite the fact that the economy was booming and there was much more misery, unemployment and homelessness during Jimmy Carter's term.

No Republican in my memory has ever received the amount of free, positive publicity during any campaign as Trump has received from the Fox News and Business channels. Not only that, once Jeb Bush and Rubio faltered, Fox's news coverage of Ted Cruz was as vicious as Trump's coverage was positive.

Trump and his supporters were fools to think that the mainstream media would cover him fairly during the general campaign. They were also foolish to think that Trump would be competitive by relying so much on "earned" media, instead of airing paid ads.

I canceled my subscription to the Lexington-Herald Leader in 1988 when I saw major front page stories about the failing Massachusetts economy under Michael Dukakis in the Wall Street Journal and other media outlets not even covered by the H-L.

The media has served as the propaganda arm of the Democrats for many years. Trump needs to stop whining about it and stop denying press credentials to reporters because he is only making things tougher on himself. Whining does not produce votes. Neither does attacking members of his own party.

Disagree. When was there ever a hiring of 25 reporters to dig up dirt (real or manufactured) on a SPECIFIC Presidential Candidate, and where do you think that $ came from?
#44
Pick6 Wrote:Disagree. When was there ever a hiring of 25 reporters to dig up dirt (real or manufactured) on a SPECIFIC Presidential Candidate, and where do you think that $ came from?
CNN sent an army of lawyers and reporters to Alaska to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin after McCain named her his running mate. 25 reporters is a drop in the bucket of media bias. If the number 25 came from the Trump campaign, then I would take it with a giant grain of salt. I seriously doubt that there are 25 reporters working full time digging for dirt on Trump. As for where the money comes from, I suspect it comes from subscriptions to one of the nation's most popular newspapers.

What would your reaction be if a presidential candidate banned your reporters from attending campaign events? Would you start serving up softball questions and stop reporting Trump's gaffes?

Banning reporters from popular media outlets from covering campaign events is just plain dumb. Jeff Bezos has a net worth of at least six times Trump's net worth - and it is probably much more. Trump's campaign will suffer more because of his attacks on the media than Bezos and the Washington Post will. Bezos will not allow the WP to fail because of Trump's attacks.
#45
Donald Trump. Putting the "CON" in conservative since 2012.

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