[TheChief]

Me hear Pikeville AD contact surrounding schools asking permission for other schools players participate in Pikeville Open Gym before end of school year. Wonder how this different than recruiting?

Old Indian Proverb: The way of the troublemaker is thorny. - Umpqua

[OhHereWeGo]

Chief, did he contact via phone or email?

[TheChief]

Chief, did he contact via phone or email?

Smoke signals point to phone. Elders of tribe indicate calls could be part of open records request if coming from cell phone.

Old Indian Proverb: He who is present at a wrongdoing and does not lift a hand to prevent it, is as guilty as the wrongdoers. - Navajo

[Hilltopper]

What non-panthers are participating in Pikevilles open gym?

[pjdoug]

Me hear Pikeville AD contact surrounding schools asking permission for other schools players participate in Pikeville Open Gym before end of school year. Wonder how this different than recruiting?

Old Indian Proverb: The way of the troublemaker is thorny. - Umpqua

Just say no

[TheChief]

Just say no

Chief said NO to many things concerning tribe. More at issue than permission asking. Chief found interesting link on google.

http://khsaa.org/011916-khsaa-sanctions-...iolations/

Excerpt: In addition, Graves County boys’ basketball assistant coach Lyndon Dunning was found to be in violation of Bylaw 16 for impermissible contact with the family of a student-athlete at another member school (Hickman County) [COLOR="Red"]regarding the open gym activities.
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Pikeville Proverb: We want recruits but help us train our AD right.

[PHSForever]

Chief said NO to many things concerning tribe. More at issue than permission asking. Chief found interesting link on google.

http://khsaa.org/011916-khsaa-sanctions-...iolations/

Excerpt: In addition, Graves County boys’ basketball assistant coach Lyndon Dunning was found to be in violation of Bylaw 16 for impermissible contact with the family of a student-athlete at another member school (Hickman County) [COLOR="Red"]regarding the open gym activities.
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Pikeville Proverb: We want recruits but help us train our AD right.

The bylaw says there has to be permission granted from each participating schools principal designated person. If that person gives consent, it is allowable. It appears perhaps, that in the Graves County situation, contact was made directly with a participant. That's what went sideways there. It appears anyway. I see nothing wrong with open gyms as long as the proper parties follow the rules. I can remember open gyms with Jenkins WAY back in the day. No one transferred over it, and both sides benefitted from the drills and coaching.

And I find it hilarious that an East Ridge basketball fan is banging the drums over "recruits". Pot, meet kettle. Lol

[downunder1999]

PHSForever, 3 things for you:
1. TheChief obviously doesn't know the KHSAA Bylaws about Open gym and schools getting permission from the other school if a player wants to come to their open gym. Booher doing it the correct way unlike most schools who just take who ever shows up to their open gyms. They are the ones violating the bylaws.
2. TheChief is obviously has something out for Booher and Justice. (jealousy or nervous of success I assume) Look at how many post he has worried about who Pikeville will hire. Or TheChief has a man crush on one of the two, laugh out loud.
3. TheChief is not an East Ridge Fan. Ironic TheChief account was activated the same week Hicks was hired at Shelby Valley. You make the conclusion on who TheChief is.

[Motley]

PHSForever, 3 things for you:
1. TheChief obviously doesn't know the KHSAA Bylaws about Open gym and schools getting permission from the other school if a player wants to come to their open gym. Booher doing it the correct way unlike most schools who just take who ever shows up to their open gyms. They are the ones violating the bylaws.
2. TheChief is obviously has something out for Booher and Justice. (jealousy or nervous of success I assume) Look at how many post he has worried about who Pikeville will hire. Or TheChief has a man crush on one of the two, laugh out loud.
3. TheChief is not an East Ridge Fan. Ironic TheChief account was activated the same week Hicks was hired at Shelby Valley. You make the conclusion on who TheChief is.

Gonna be difficult to take anything you say serious when you posted and drooled over a shitless pic of Elisha in his hiring thread. Wouldn't be throwing the term man crush around on anybody else with a post like that.

[pjdoug]

Chief said NO to many things concerning tribe. More at issue than permission asking. Chief found interesting link on google.

http://khsaa.org/011916-khsaa-sanctions-...iolations/

Excerpt: In addition, Graves County boys’ basketball assistant coach Lyndon Dunning was found to be in violation of Bylaw 16 for impermissible contact with the family of a student-athlete at another member school (Hickman County) [COLOR="Red"]regarding the open gym activities.
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Pikeville Proverb: We want recruits but help us train our AD right.

The chief must put a stop to the illegal activity.

[TheChief]

PHSForever, 3 things for you:
1. TheChief obviously doesn't know the KHSAA Bylaws about Open gym and schools getting permission from the other school if a player wants to come to their open gym. Booher doing it the correct way unlike most schools who just take who ever shows up to their open gyms. They are the ones violating the bylaws.
2. TheChief is obviously has something out for Booher and Justice. (jealousy or nervous of success I assume) Look at how many post he has worried about who Pikeville will hire. Or TheChief has a man crush on one of the two, laugh out loud.
3. TheChief is not an East Ridge Fan. Ironic TheChief account was activated the same week Hicks was hired at Shelby Valley. You make the conclusion on who TheChief is.

Me think downunder1999 should read forum rules.

BGR Member Rules:

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Smoke signals say possible suspension on horizon.

[TribePride]

The bylaw says there has to be permission granted from each participating schools principal designated person. If that person gives consent, it is allowable. It appears perhaps, that in the Graves County situation, contact was made directly with a participant. That's what went sideways there. It appears anyway. I see nothing wrong with open gyms as long as the proper parties follow the rules. I can remember open gyms with Jenkins WAY back in the day. No one transferred over it, and both sides benefitted from the drills and coaching.

And I find it hilarious that an East Ridge basketball fan is banging the drums over "recruits". Pot, meet kettle. Lol

Tell me one principal in Pike County who will give Pikeville High School permission to "coach" their student-athletes?

Kevin Justice and Randy McCoy......? No
Greg Napier and Jim Bob Hicks......? No
Mark Gannon and Philip Haywood.....? No
David Rowe may be the only one who wouldn't care....Still doubt it though

I don't know who is in charge of Phelps, but Pikeville and Belfry have been raiding them for years.

[PHSForever]

Tell me one principal in Pike County who will give Pikeville High School permission to "coach" their student-athletes?

Kevin Justice and Randy McCoy......? No
Greg Napier and Jim Bob Hicks......? No
Mark Gannon and Philip Haywood.....? No
David Rowe may be the only one who wouldn't care....Still doubt it though

I don't know who is in charge of Phelps, but Pikeville and Belfry have been raiding them for years.

You DO realize open gym concept includes the other coaches being there even though it might be run by the hosting school, right? Nevertheless, as long as the rules are followed and permission sought and granted, I see nothing wrong with it. But rules HAVE to be followed and I'm sure they will be.

[rojas]

Smoke signals point to phone. Elders of tribe indicate calls could be part of open records request if coming from cell phone.

Old Indian Proverb: He who is present at a wrongdoing and does not lift a hand to prevent it, is as guilty as the wrongdoers. - Navajo

Open Records Request would only apply if it is a school phone. If calls were made on a coach's private phone open records would not apply.

[Real Badman]

An attempt to break the rules is still an attempt to break the rules

[jetpilot]

Lol some people sure got awful scared of Pikeville basketball all of the sudden.nicker:

[PHSForever]

An attempt to break the rules is still an attempt to break the rules

Let me get this straight. From the "facts" presented in the original post, an attempt to contact the school seeking permission for participation in an open gym was made allegedly. According to the KHSAA bylaws presented, permission to participate in an open gym must be granted by the proper designated person from a school. So where exactly was the "attempt to break the rule"? It actually sounds as if the facts presented actually support the conclusion that the rule was followed.

Notice the silence from the chief? That should tell you what you need to know. Nothing to see here, move on along.

[kids03]

A Parent from a County school told me that a Parent from PHS ask them to bring their kid to the Open Gym.

[PHSForever]

A Parent from a County school told me that a Parent from PHS ask them to bring their kid to the Open Gym.

And I heard from the 3rd cousin of my barber, who used to date the 4th cousin twice removed, of the assistant maintenance director of the vocational school, that nothing wrong happened. That's about as reliable a source as you can get too! Don't doubt it! Take it to the bank! Lol

[jetpilot]

On a scale of 1-10:

Whining - 10
Any evidence, let alone proof, that Pikeville broke or attempted to break any rule - 0

:eyeroll:

[TheChief]

A Parent from a County school told me that a Parent from PHS ask them to bring their kid to the Open Gym.

Me finds this interesting. Seems newest smoke signals are true.

BYLAW16
A school official utilizing an intermediary including a peer, another school employee, a student, a parent or a citizen, for the purpose of recruiting a student athlete shall be in noncompliance.

PENALTY
a) Any representative of a member school knowingly allowing the recruitment of a student for the purpose of participating in athletics or who should have known of this recruitment shall be guilty of willful neglect of duty, misconduct, or breach ofcontract.
b) This shall apply not only to coaches, but also to personnel supervising coaches, including an athletic director, an assistant principal, a principal, an assistant superintendent, a superintendent or a school board member.
c) This requirement shall also apply to students or their parents.

Old Indian Proverb: Listen or thy tongue will keep thee deaf.

[TheChief]

Lol some people sure got awful scared of Pikeville basketball all of the sudden.nicker:

Me think no one scared of Pikeville basketball in a long long time.

Old Indian Proverb: Make my enemy brave and strong, so that if defeated, I will not be ashamed.

[jetpilot]

^^^it's not for the purpose of recruiting, hence no violation. Someone's slipping some crack into the peace pipe!

:goofy:

[jetpilot]

Me think no one scared of Pikeville basketball in a long long time.

Old Indian Proverb: Make my enemy brave and strong, so that if defeated, I will not be ashamed.

Old Indian Proverb: Only retarded tribe put TheChief in charge.:thatsfunn

[TheChief]

Let me get this straight. From the "facts" presented in the original post, an attempt to contact the school seeking permission for participation in an open gym was made allegedly. According to the KHSAA bylaws presented, permission to participate in an open gym must be granted by the proper designated person from a school. So where exactly was the "attempt to break the rule"? It actually sounds as if the facts presented actually support the conclusion that the rule was followed.

Notice the silence from the chief? That should tell you what you need to know. Nothing to see here, move on along.

Me not being silent. Been hunting buffalo. New smoke signals indicate possible violation of Case BYLAW 16-6.

Impermissible contact includes but is not limited to any contact between a parent or student and a member school coach or other athletic representative without an immediate referral to the appropriate school personnel (Principal, Guidance Counselor, Admissions Personnel or other non-athletically related school administration).

Old Indian Proverb: Those who have one foot in the canoe, and one foot in the boat, are going to fall into the river.

[TheChief]

Old Indian Proverb: Only retarded tribe put TheChief in charge.:thatsfunn

Old Indian Proverb: Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins.

[TheChief]

You DO realize open gym concept includes the other coaches being there even though it might be run by the hosting school, right? Nevertheless, as long as the rules are followed and permission sought and granted, I see nothing wrong with it. But rules HAVE to be followed and I'm sure they will be.

Me quite old but have never seen a coach of School A attend open gym of School B.

Old Indian Proverb: Cherish youth, but trust old age.

[PHSForever]

Me finds this interesting. Seems newest smoke signals are true.

BYLAW16
A school official utilizing an intermediary including a peer, another school employee, a student, a parent or a citizen, for the purpose of recruiting a student athlete shall be in noncompliance.

PENALTY
a) Any representative of a member school knowingly allowing the recruitment of a student for the purpose of participating in athletics or who should have known of this recruitment shall be guilty of willful neglect of duty, misconduct, or breach ofcontract.
b) This shall apply not only to coaches, but also to personnel supervising coaches, including an athletic director, an assistant principal, a principal, an assistant superintendent, a superintendent or a school board member.
c) This requirement shall also apply to students or their parents.

Old Indian Proverb: Listen or thy tongue will keep thee deaf.

This is one persons word against another's. Goodness, you're nothing more than a pot stirrer. Lol. I think your smoke signals are coming from a Panther pi**ing on your campfire.

[Motley]

Pikeville fans seeming awful defensive about something they claim isn't a big deal. I don't think anyone fears Justice or Pikeville, but what many people may see coming is a mass amount of transfers coming into Pikeville and nothing being done about it as usual. Pikeville has made a good living off of transfers and because of their connections nothing can be done about it.

[WinkWinkler]

Pikeville is an academic school. I would not lose a "wink" of sleep worrying about their basketball program.