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12-09-2014, 06:01 AM
Do you have any way to back your claim?
12-09-2014, 06:32 AM
12-09-2014, 06:58 AM
*real badman feels silly*
12-09-2014, 07:20 AM
Let's be honest (and I don't know if it's the same way in every state), but the referees in Kentucky are a joke and have been for years. And don't even start with all the, well if you think you can do better bull s@#$t either!
I don't have the time, but the people who do need to learn the game of football a little better. I have seen some of the dumbest stuff from refs in the last few years and it just seems to get worse every year. I have seen some crews who were lost and coaches had to come out and tell em what to call. You will get a crew one week who will throw a flag if you even look at em funny then the next week you will get a crew who will let to much go and lose control of the kids and the game. I would just like to see some consistency good or bad. I think that if the KHSAA would take the time to look real close at some of the crews around this state and the calls they make, we would see some people who would never be allowed to ref again. We do have some people who do a good job and care about it, but it is hard to look good when the other people around you are stinking it up all the time.
I don't have the time, but the people who do need to learn the game of football a little better. I have seen some of the dumbest stuff from refs in the last few years and it just seems to get worse every year. I have seen some crews who were lost and coaches had to come out and tell em what to call. You will get a crew one week who will throw a flag if you even look at em funny then the next week you will get a crew who will let to much go and lose control of the kids and the game. I would just like to see some consistency good or bad. I think that if the KHSAA would take the time to look real close at some of the crews around this state and the calls they make, we would see some people who would never be allowed to ref again. We do have some people who do a good job and care about it, but it is hard to look good when the other people around you are stinking it up all the time.
12-09-2014, 07:51 AM
This is the second time Murray has been stuck with a bad call in a top notch game. They played Danville several years back in the state championships. As the horn sounded on a live play, the Danville qb threw the ball way up in the air in celebration. A Murray player ran into the end zone and caught the ball, which legally is a touchdown and would have given Murray the win. The refs said no and then wouldn't reverse the call when evidence presented itself. That one made sports center. I don't know how 1 team can have such bad luck in big games.
12-09-2014, 08:27 AM
Firstly. I dont see how a HS official would not know how to administer this call. The call was proper but it seems to me that anyone would have known that you dont wipe off the score. Secondly, I dont see why this entire crew is being sanctioned. They are even coming down on the assigning secretary and ALL the officials in their area. It seems to me that the official involved and the white hat are the only ones to blame. You might say that the other 3 officials should have corrected the error but, believe me, the white hat has the final word. I can remember at least one incident where all 4 of the other officials in the crew was telling the white hat he was wrong but he would not relent. This situation, however, was not a game changer.....it was a situation of down and distance between the third and fourth quarters where the white hat had screwed up the way he had switched the chains. we had a 2cd and 2 situation at the end of the third and started the fourth with a 2cd and 8. The other refs told him he was wrong and tried to explain it to him but he would not change his mind. My point is that the referee involved in the call and the white hat should be the ones to take the heat on the Murray situation. I hate that it happened on what could have been a game changing situation!!
12-09-2014, 02:38 PM
I wonder if any of these guys were on the crew that screwed Johnson Central in the state softball tournament game vs. Ashland?
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12-09-2014, 03:23 PM
I agree that this one should go on the white hat. He is SUPPOSED to be the one in charge and know ALL the rules and how to administer the penalties. Things like this give all refs a bad name and all of you all know there are some good ones out there, its just getting harder and harder to find them.
12-09-2014, 03:35 PM
I wish all the current officials would strike over this BS. Give flags to the coaches and let them call the games themselves and see how that works out for them. You want consistency between official crews you will get it when you get consistency amongst the competitors. One team lines up off sides half the time and holds every other play and the other teams line up correctly and blocks properly. One week coaches stay in their allotted area the next week they are in the restricted area on a TD play.
Then punish the whole association for the misinterpretation of a rule???? The KHSAA is a joke!!!!!
Then punish the whole association for the misinterpretation of a rule???? The KHSAA is a joke!!!!!
12-09-2014, 03:56 PM
mysonis55 Wrote:This is the second time Murray has been stuck with a bad call in a top notch game. They played Danville several years back in the state championships. As the horn sounded on a live play, the Danville qb threw the ball way up in the air in celebration. A Murray player ran into the end zone and caught the ball, which legally is a touchdown and would have given Murray the win. The refs said no and then wouldn't reverse the call when evidence presented itself. That one made sports center. I don't know how 1 team can have such bad luck in big games.
I believe that was against Beechwood.
12-09-2014, 04:10 PM
mysonis55 Wrote:This is the second time Murray has been stuck with a bad call in a top notch game. They played Danville several years back in the state championships. As the horn sounded on a live play, the Danville qb threw the ball way up in the air in celebration. A Murray player ran into the end zone and caught the ball, which legally is a touchdown and would have given Murray the win. The refs said no and then wouldn't reverse the call when evidence presented itself. That one made sports center. I don't know how 1 team can have such bad luck in big games.
That was some years back but I remember that call.
One of the Lexington Stations at the time had a great view of it when they showed the highlights of the game.
Should have been a Murray TD and also should have been one of the greatest celebration fails of all-time running on blooper reels around the country.
12-09-2014, 04:39 PM
Most teams spend all year in the weight room, at camps and practice getting ready for a shot at their state championship.
Sadly, most referee's don't see the field until their first scrimmage/game of the year. And expect to be treated like a dictator when they get on the field. I know they attened their assoc. meetings, but as far as seeing live action football, it doesn't happen with most crews.
And what is even worse than that, just because somebody has been a referee for 15-20 years DOES NOT MAKE THEM A GOOD REFEREE!!!!! The amount of time a person has done something DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE GOOD AT IT!!! You can know ever rule in the book and every situation in the Case Manual, but that doesn't mean you are a good ref.
I'm not 100% sure on this... but does the KHSAA or the local referee assoc. assign somebody to every post-season event as a rules interpreter?
I know the state wrestling meet has a rules interpreter.
Sadly, most referee's don't see the field until their first scrimmage/game of the year. And expect to be treated like a dictator when they get on the field. I know they attened their assoc. meetings, but as far as seeing live action football, it doesn't happen with most crews.
And what is even worse than that, just because somebody has been a referee for 15-20 years DOES NOT MAKE THEM A GOOD REFEREE!!!!! The amount of time a person has done something DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE GOOD AT IT!!! You can know ever rule in the book and every situation in the Case Manual, but that doesn't mean you are a good ref.
I'm not 100% sure on this... but does the KHSAA or the local referee assoc. assign somebody to every post-season event as a rules interpreter?
I know the state wrestling meet has a rules interpreter.
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12-09-2014, 04:46 PM
mysonis55 Wrote:This is the second time Murray has been stuck with a bad call in a top notch game. They played Danville several years back in the state championships. As the horn sounded on a live play, the Danville qb threw the ball way up in the air in celebration. A Murray player ran into the end zone and caught the ball, which legally is a touchdown and would have given Murray the win. The refs said no and then wouldn't reverse the call when evidence presented itself. That one made sports center. I don't know how 1 team can have such bad luck in big games.
It was Beechwood. Danville was in AA at the time. The QB was running the clock out in the end zone, the ref blew the whistle (inadvertently) when the horn went off. Kid threw the ball in the air and Murray grabbed it in the End Zone. Refs said whistle ended the play. Technically right, but ethically wrong.
12-09-2014, 05:00 PM
The official blew it dead when he heard the horn. The ruling was correct afterwards was correct even though the ref blew it.
12-09-2014, 05:06 PM
I hate having this hang over our heads. The actual call was right. Murray was just warned a cpl of plays before about their coaches being on the field. The coach did interfere with the ref on the play. Now obviously they made the incorrect penalty.
My beef is with the KHSAA. They are the ones in charge of training the officials. It was a crew from Central Kentucky who must have been highly thought of to have had a semi-state game, and not one of the crew of five knew the correct call? Thats on the KHSAA.
I hate it for Murray, their fans, players, and community. I know how I would feel if it would have been us. The KHSAA HAS to do a better job training their officials so things like this won't happen again.
My beef is with the KHSAA. They are the ones in charge of training the officials. It was a crew from Central Kentucky who must have been highly thought of to have had a semi-state game, and not one of the crew of five knew the correct call? Thats on the KHSAA.
I hate it for Murray, their fans, players, and community. I know how I would feel if it would have been us. The KHSAA HAS to do a better job training their officials so things like this won't happen again.
12-09-2014, 05:40 PM
RoShamBo Wrote:Did the official that threw the flag blow the play dead as soon as he threw it?
Ghostofjoey Wrote:The official blew it dead when he heard the horn. The ruling was correct afterwards was correct even though the ref blew it.
Sorry I should have clarified, I meant in reference to the DeSales game.
12-09-2014, 06:44 PM
RoShamBo Wrote:Sorry I should have clarified, I meant in reference to the DeSales game.
My understanding with the DeSales game was the play continued, flag was thrown after TD and they marked it off incorrectly. It would have been on the EP or kickoff. Instead, they had it nullify the play.
12-09-2014, 07:13 PM
There is too much leeway in some calls the refs can make and how much they can effect a game. I am reminded again of a Beechwood game call. In 2011 here at War Memorial. Their last offensive play. They throw a pass to the end zone. I have heard complaints about Beechwood not getting a pass interference call for years now. I was discussing that with one of our own fans who was a referee. He said that one they have a good complaint on. I explain that the do not. I have the video right from that very end zone. I have watched it at least 100 times, rewound it, slowed it down and all. You can clearly see one of our defenders tip the ball. You see their hand bend back and the ball start to wobble a bit. This makes the receiver live. There can no longer be pass interference if you hit him. Then on top of that, the ball and the defender hit Vocke at the exact same time, again no foul even if the ball had not been tipped. I explain that to this fan, ref. He still tells me that he probably would have flagged that when clearly not a rule violation. It does not matter if it appears a certain way to fans or makes the ref look bad for not calling it, legal is legal. I think when you do things like that you are doing a great disservice to the kids playing the game. They are taught how to do things legally and they do it and then they get flagged, wrong.
Then I am reminded of an 8th grade game I watched here last year. One of our boys made a great, decleater of a block. A somewhat new to the game ref called it a penalty. He threw the flag and continued running down the field to watch the kick returner score. I talked with him several days later. He said he realized just a second after he threw the flag that he was wrong. He said he went straight to the white hat and told him he was wrong. He said the white hat would not allow him to reverse the call because the opposing coach would go off. That is wrong.
Then I am reminded of an 8th grade game I watched here last year. One of our boys made a great, decleater of a block. A somewhat new to the game ref called it a penalty. He threw the flag and continued running down the field to watch the kick returner score. I talked with him several days later. He said he realized just a second after he threw the flag that he was wrong. He said he went straight to the white hat and told him he was wrong. He said the white hat would not allow him to reverse the call because the opposing coach would go off. That is wrong.
12-09-2014, 11:44 PM
ive been saying this for years, and most are on power trips. blown call may have cost ncc a state title in 2013 against desalles. horrible officiating.
12-10-2014, 05:18 AM
12-10-2014, 04:11 PM
There are mistakes like this made every year. Why does Murray get a big official apology?
12-10-2014, 04:38 PM
The exact same call was made in an Oklahoma playoff game that will be decided by a local Judge today. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/12/09...merits-do/
12-10-2014, 05:24 PM
We need an influx of young well trained officials across the state. Our former players should be encouraged to apply.
12-10-2014, 05:55 PM
Officials will never get any better unless requirements and regulations are changed. They're several states that have taken steps to rectify the situation but unfortunately Kentucky is not one of them. Here are a few things that have helped in other states......
*The officials have an association just like any coaches association, and they have a recruiter in different areas of the state. Most are retired officials. They recruit athletes and former coaches and anyone else they feel would make the cut.
*Each official is required to attend 4 six hour courses for each sport they wish to officiate in. If he/she wants to officiate in another sport, then they will have to attend that same course for the specified sport. At the end of the course, a written exam is given, and depending on the score, they will be issued a probationary officials license for that individual sport.
*After you receive your license, you're assigned a mentor, and will be required to officiate at the middle school level for a set amount of time. They will gradually move up levels as they are graded on each game. Once you reach a certain level that will be when you can move up to high school or even college games.
*Each area is assigned a game reviewer for each sport and a lot of times it is the assigning secretary for that sport. They will grade each game and you will receive a grade and feedback.
*Each sport will also have a disciplinary board that will decide on anything protested.
*Any violations will result in either, suspension, a drop in level, fine, or even expulsion
*All games that have rookie officials will also have at least two tenured, high level officials also apart of that crew.
*Post-season games will be determined by the levels the officials have met. The grading aspect of the new system allows for officials to be dropped to lower levels depending on any infractions. Which means, just because you have been officiating for twenty years doesn't mean you will have a high enough level to officiate post-season and/or championship games.
*Every summer and off-season of any sport you are certified in will be time for all rookies to move up and get part of their required hours in. Veteran officials are also encouraged to do the same.
*Each year, every certified official will be required to renew their licenses. This can be done by one four-hour course that will go over everything you've already learned as well as any new rules and regulations for that particular sport. Anyone that fails to renew will not be put on the officiating list and will have to retake the full course in order to do so if an abundant amount of time has gone by.
*The officials have an association just like any coaches association, and they have a recruiter in different areas of the state. Most are retired officials. They recruit athletes and former coaches and anyone else they feel would make the cut.
*Each official is required to attend 4 six hour courses for each sport they wish to officiate in. If he/she wants to officiate in another sport, then they will have to attend that same course for the specified sport. At the end of the course, a written exam is given, and depending on the score, they will be issued a probationary officials license for that individual sport.
*After you receive your license, you're assigned a mentor, and will be required to officiate at the middle school level for a set amount of time. They will gradually move up levels as they are graded on each game. Once you reach a certain level that will be when you can move up to high school or even college games.
*Each area is assigned a game reviewer for each sport and a lot of times it is the assigning secretary for that sport. They will grade each game and you will receive a grade and feedback.
*Each sport will also have a disciplinary board that will decide on anything protested.
*Any violations will result in either, suspension, a drop in level, fine, or even expulsion
*All games that have rookie officials will also have at least two tenured, high level officials also apart of that crew.
*Post-season games will be determined by the levels the officials have met. The grading aspect of the new system allows for officials to be dropped to lower levels depending on any infractions. Which means, just because you have been officiating for twenty years doesn't mean you will have a high enough level to officiate post-season and/or championship games.
*Every summer and off-season of any sport you are certified in will be time for all rookies to move up and get part of their required hours in. Veteran officials are also encouraged to do the same.
*Each year, every certified official will be required to renew their licenses. This can be done by one four-hour course that will go over everything you've already learned as well as any new rules and regulations for that particular sport. Anyone that fails to renew will not be put on the officiating list and will have to retake the full course in order to do so if an abundant amount of time has gone by.
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