[toussaints]

Since nobody can agree on an all state team, mainly because there are more deserving players than spots. create your own all state team, unless you're wideleft who would just pick highlands or mysonis55 who would only pick mayfield.

i did 3 teams, my picks are based off of guys I've seen in person, on video, and based off of personal and team stats

1st Team
QB: Logan Woodside, Franklin County
RB: Dayln Dawkins, Trinity
RB: Kentayvous Hopkins, Bourbon County
WR: James Quick, Trinity
WR: Ryan Timmons, Franklin County
WR: Necarious Fant, Bowling Green
OL: Mitch Dee, Highlands
OL: Hunter Bivin, Apollo
OL: Joey Bloomfield, Ballard
OL: Matt Elam, John Hardin
OL: Derrick Jude, Belfry
K: Damir Karapandzic, Danville

DL: Jason Hatcher, Trinity
DL: Tony Messer, Belfry
DL: Jacob Hyde, Clay County
DL: Seth Hope, Highlands
LB: Dominic Brown, John Hardin
LB: Jonathon Jackson, Mayfield
LB: Deonte Clyburn, St. Xavier
DB: Ryan White, Trinity
DB: Dennis Oxendine, Tates Creek
DB: Allen Gonsalves, Bowling Green
DB: Austin Pray, Perry County Central
P: Jeff Canady, Knox Central

2nd Team
QB: Donovan McCoy, Highlands
RB: Damien Harris, Madison Southern
RB: Nick Britt, Russell County
WR: Aaron Jackson, Frankfort
WR: Jordan Olinger, Hazard
WR: Scott Daniel, Scott County
OL: Eli Wilson, Graves County
OL: Dylan Hale, Monroe County
OL: Kendall Calhoun, Paducah Tilghman
OL: Alex Hibbs, Pleasure Ridge Park
OL: Rich Whitford, Highlands
K: Houston Ray, Owensboro Catholic

DL: Logan Cart, Owensboro Catholic
DL: Trey Yeager, Boyle County
DL: Tevin Slaughter, Somerset
DL: Jabari Jordan, Trinity
LB: Tyson Williams, Somerset
LB: Lincoln Quick, Bowling Green
LB: Daeshawn Bertram, Trinity
DB: Jervon Christopher, Scott County
DB: Dylan Hayes, NewCath
DB: Richard Trent, Breathitt County
DB: Aaron Morgan, Cooper
P: Zach Bogard, Meade County

3rd Team
QB: Dylan Beasley, Nelson County
RB: Zach Katzman, Graves County
RB: Charles Walker, St. Xavier
WR: Taywan Taylor, Pleasure Ridge Park
WR: Tez Sivils, Caldwell County
WR: Corey Shelton, Williamsburg
OL: J.T. Brown, Morgan County
OL: Koty Hix, Fort Campbell
OL: Rusty Baldridge, Johnson Central
OL: Chandler McPherson, Monroe County
OL: Brady Thacker, NewCath
K: Sean Nuernberger, Oldham County

DL: Dakota Westmoreland, Green County
DL: Derik Overstreet, Paducah Tilghman
DL: Cole Webster, Caldwell County
DL: Kyle Downing, Mayfield
LB: Max Nussbaum, Beechwood
LB: Jared Bowling, Simon Kenton
LB: Donald Styles, Central
DB: Cade O’Bryan, Ashland
DB: Derrius Robinson, East Jessamine
DB: Darrius Spivey-Nunn, Paducah Tilghman
DB: Cameron Fogle, Conner
P: Hans Mikelsoo, Fleming County

[MayfieldCardinal]

Boguss selections as clearly Mayfield should have had 11 make it on offense and 11 on defense. Geez!!! nicker:

[cksportsfan]

http://dailyindependent.com/localsports/...-BarriCade
http://scoreboard.12dt.com/scoreboard/kh.../?id=37517
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/ash...review.htm


-- The Ashland Daily Independent says Cade O'Bryan is a 6-3, 260-pound former running back/linebacker who played offensive tackle/defensive end this season

-- The online KHSAA roster lists him as:
74 Cade Obryan Off: OL, Def: DE Sr.

-- MaxPreps lists him as:
Cade O'Bryan 6'4" 245 Senior T/DE

I have yet to find a place -- other than the Associated Press All-State Team, which people ripped -- that has him listed as a defensive BACK.

[toussaints]

^ i just noticed that, i meant to put Sani Warren from Belfry at the DB spot. I copied and pasted the template from CJ

[toussaints]

^ I meant AP

[cksportsfan]

I have a hard time with Beasley.

He had a ton of stats, yes, but for a mediocre team against a mediocre schedule.

That's the highest I've seen him listed, and if you're going to reward someone solely for having good stats (he also had more interceptions than ANY first, second or third team QB on any team released so far), shouldn't you also reward running backs like:

Devin Taylor West Jessamine 10 321 2217 22 222
Weston Little South Floyd 10 227 2174 29 217

or receivers like:
Ken jah Bosley Madison Central 9 57 1129 11 125 1.2
Aaron Jackson Frankfort 9 43 1094 13 122 1.4

[toussaints]

Aaron Jackson was a 2nd team guy on my list, and he deserved it

the interceptions were a big negative for Beasley, but 3700 yds and 34 TDs is pretty good, also Nelson County went 1-10 last year, so 6-6 is not as bad as it looks in that situation. i thought about wright, stumper, bir and barker in his place.

[cksportsfan]

Beasley also had 3700 yards for a team with only one rusher for more than 112 yards -- TOTAL.

Beasley also threw the ball 39.66 times a game. Wright threw the ball 28.77 times a game.




Wright, playing against arguably the toughest schedule in the state,
- better completion percentage (244/374, 65.24),
- better TD-interception ratio (36/11 or 3.27).
- less interceptions per game
- better QB rating using NFL
- on a team that ran the ball more (146.62 yards per game for Trinity to 93.67 yards per game for Nelson; T ran the ball 24.69 times per game, NC ran it 21.92)



Give Wright the same amount of attempts per game (multiple totals by 1.37) and you get 4,540 yards, 334 completions, 49 touchdowns and 15 interceptions ... against the toughest schedule in the state ... while playing 14 games instead of 15 (Trinity had two bye weeks in regular season because it could not find a 10th opponent)

There's a reason Wright's on the 3 other all-state teams (AP, Courier-Journal coaches, Herald-Leader Class of the Commonwealth seniors).

FWIW, there's also a reason the leading scorer in the state in boys' soccer didn't sniff All-State either.

Shouldn't a first-, second- or third-team All-State QB have some significant recruiting interest?

I'm not saying he has to sign with a big school, but I can't find him linked to ANY D-I school.

[Shoulderblock73]

I have a hard time with Beasley.

He had a ton of stats, yes, but for a mediocre team against a mediocre schedule.

That's the highest I've seen him listed, and if you're going to reward someone solely for having good stats (he also had more interceptions than ANY first, second or third team QB on any team released so far), shouldn't you also reward running backs like:

Devin Taylor West Jessamine 10 321 2217 22 222
Weston Little South Floyd 10 227 2174 29 217

or receivers like:
Ken jah Bosley Madison Central 9 57 1129 11 125 1.2
Aaron Jackson Frankfort 9 43 1094 13 122 1.4

If that is the case what about
RB
Tyshawn Embs Carroll County 10 197 2205 27 221

[cksportsfan]

CLASS OF THE COMMONWEALTH/TOUSSAINTS CROSSOVER
-- 15-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees (produced by the Herald-Leader with input from coaches BUT NOT VOTING, paper has final say) made toussaints's first team
-- 4-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees made Class of the made toussaints's second team
-- 0-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees made Class of the made toussaints's third team
-- 3-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees didn't make toussaints's team at all and they're all QBS (Bir, Bolin, Wright ... Wright and Bolin were both second team C-J)


ASSOCIATED PRESS/TOUSSAINTS CROSSOVER
-- 17-of-27 players who made the AP First Team ALSO made toussaints's first team
-- 5-of-27 players who made the AP First Team made toussaints's second team
-- 5-of-27 players who made the AP First Team did NOT make toussaints's team at all (Highlands OL Mitch Dee, John Hardin OL Chris Doss, Owensboro Catholic OL Andrew Carlisle, Eastern DB Shane Fields and Knox Central RB Jeff Canady ... Canady actually made first-team AP TWICE at Punter, but could only make one position for toussaints)


COURIER-JOURNAL (COACHES VOTE)/TOUSSAINTS CROSSOVER
-- Only 9-of-24 players who made the Coaches' (C-J) first team made toussaints's first team
-- 5-of-24 players who made the Coaches' first team were on toussaints's second team
-- 6-of-24 players who made the coaches' second team were on toussaints's third team
-- 4-of-24 players who made the coaches' first team did NOT make toussaints's team at all (Wayne LB Dagan Shelton, Scott County P Palmer Ward, South Floyd RB Weston Little, Monroe County QB Chad Wilson)

So are you saying, when it comes to picking the best (first team) of the best, media groups (Herald-Leader internal panel and then the Associated Press statewide panel) are way better than the statewide coaches themselves?

Your first-team picks say yes, but some BGRivals folks aren't going to agree ...

[charlie22]

CLASS OF THE COMMONWEALTH/TOUSSAINTS CROSSOVER
-- 15-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees (produced by the Herald-Leader with input from coaches BUT NOT VOTING, paper has final say) made toussaints's first team
-- 4-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees made Class of the made toussaints's second team
-- 0-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees made Class of the made toussaints's third team
-- 3-of-22 Class of the Commonwealth honorees didn't make toussaints's team at all and they're all QBS (Bir, Bolin, Wright ... Wright and Bolin were both second team C-J)


ASSOCIATED PRESS/TOUSSAINTS CROSSOVER
-- 17-of-27 players who made the AP First Team ALSO made toussaints's first team
-- 5-of-27 players who made the AP First Team made toussaints's second team
-- 5-of-27 players who made the AP First Team did NOT make toussaints's team at all (Highlands OL Mitch Dee, John Hardin OL Chris Doss, Owensboro Catholic OL Andrew Carlisle, Eastern DB Shane Fields and Knox Central RB Jeff Canady ... Canady actually made first-team AP TWICE at Punter, but could only make one position for toussaints)


COURIER-JOURNAL (COACHES VOTE)/TOUSSAINTS CROSSOVER
-- Only 9-of-24 players who made the Coaches' (C-J) first team made toussaints's first team
-- 5-of-24 players who made the Coaches' first team were on toussaints's second team
-- 6-of-24 players who made the coaches' second team were on toussaints's third team
-- 4-of-24 players who made the coaches' first team did NOT make toussaints's team at all (Wayne LB Dagan Shelton, Scott County P Palmer Ward, South Floyd RB Weston Little, Monroe County QB Chad Wilson)

So are you saying, when it comes to picking the best (first team) of the best, media groups (Herald-Leader internal panel and then the Associated Press statewide panel) are way better than the statewide coaches themselves?

Your first-team picks say yes, but some BGRivals folks aren't going to agree ...

He may or may not say it, but I will. The coaches have a different agenda when they vote than selecting the best high school football players. The AP system has its flaws but at least the writers attempt, based on what they know and have seen, to put the best players on their team.

[rednblackattack]

Not bad. Nobody does a list that completely satisfies everybody but its probably better than both of official lists

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

I know Kentayvous Hopkins put up some impressive stats this season. The only game i seen him play was against Belfry, and in that game he didnt even look mediocore.

Was the prior competition he put up those stats against that bad?

I know Belfry had one hell of a defense, but to be considered one of the best in the state at his position, i just didnt see it.

[cksportsfan]

Not bad. Nobody does a list that completely satisfies everybody but its probably better than both of official lists

I agree. There are a LOT of names on there I agree with, as do the C-J (coaches only), H-L CotC (paper with coaches' help) and AP (media only).

But it also shows it has flaws.



That being said, I hope to have a matrix done by Sunday.
4 points: AP first team, C-J first team, HL C of C
3 points: AP second team, C-J second team
2 points: C-J third team
1 point: AP honorable mention, C-J honorable mention

Obviously a player could receive a 12-point maximum and be a lock for the team if he was CotC and made both AP and C-J first teams.

Regardless of the points -- don't think it would matter because he would have at least six points (4+1+1), but any player who at least APPEARED on ALL teams in some form or fashion (C0tC plus 2 honorable mentions) would be a matrix first teamer.

If BluegrassPreps has its team done by them, I'll include it if I can find it. I've heard of some coaches who makes patches/plaques for that team, too.

[cksportsfan]

I know Kentayvous Hopkins put up some impressive stats this season. The only game i seen him play was against Belfry, and in that game he didnt even look mediocore.

Was the prior competition he put up those stats against that bad?

I know Belfry had one hell of a defense, but to be considered one of the best in the state at his position, i just didnt see it.

IN SEVEN (7) GAMES AGAINST TEAMS WHICH ENTERED THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS WITH WINNING RECORD (6-5 OR BETTER) ...
Hopkins had 185 rushing yards and 2 TDs on 16 carries against Madison Southern (7-5)
Hopkins had 145 rushing yards and 3 TDs on 9 carries against Owen County (6-5)
Hopkins had 156 rushing yards and 1 TDs on 16 carries against Garrard County (7-5) in regular season.
Hopkins had 198 rushing yards and 3 TDs on 33 carries against Bath County (8-3)
Hopkins had 128 rushing yards and 2 TDs on 21 carries against Paris (6-6)
Hopkins had 170 rushing yards and 2 TDs on 14 carries against Garrard County (7-5) in playoffs.
Hopkins had 304 rushing yards and 3 TDs on 21 carries against Mason County (8-5)

[PaytoPlay]

^ Don't leave off the Belfry game. I think it was

9 carries for 16 yards and 0 Td's.

[Belfry0304]

Hopkins played a pretty horrific schedule all year, every team they played Belfry and other top 3A teams would have blitzed by 28+ as bad if not worse than Bourbon, I could see if Hopkins but 100+ on Belfry in a losing effort, but he acted like he didn't want the football late.

[BoondockSaint]

I like toussaints list and of the ones provided by the media I feel like the Class of the Commonwealth was the strongest.

Only changes I'd have is at QB and RB. Give me the battle tested Wright at QB and give me Jeffrey Canady over Hopkins at RB.

[cherokee]

Beasley also had 3700 yards for a team with only one rusher for more than 112 yards -- TOTAL.

Beasley also threw the ball 39.66 times a game. Wright threw the ball 28.77 times a game.




Wright, playing against arguably the toughest schedule in the state,
- better completion percentage (244/374, 65.24),
- better TD-interception ratio (36/11 or 3.27).
- less interceptions per game
- better QB rating using NFL
- on a team that ran the ball more (146.62 yards per game for Trinity to 93.67 yards per game for Nelson; T ran the ball 24.69 times per game, NC ran it 21.92)



Give Wright the same amount of attempts per game (multiple totals by 1.37) and you get 4,540 yards, 334 completions, 49 touchdowns and 15 interceptions ... against the toughest schedule in the state ... while playing 14 games instead of 15 (Trinity had two bye weeks in regular season because it could not find a 10th opponent)

There's a reason Wright's on the 3 other all-state teams (AP, Courier-Journal coaches, Herald-Leader Class of the Commonwealth seniors).

FWIW, there's also a reason the leading scorer in the state in boys' soccer didn't sniff All-State either.

Shouldn't a first-, second- or third-team All-State QB have some significant recruiting interest?

I'm not saying he has to sign with a big school, but I can't find him linked to ANY D-I school.

Wright is a great player and played on one of the best teams not only in Kentucky but the nation. Wright was sorrounded by great players even a Mr. Football. I personally never saw either play, was at a combine which Wright attended he is a fine young man. Beasley passed for 4522 yards 41 td's and 14 ints ( 1 int every 34 passes), completed 63% of his passes. Nelson County ran 739 plays this year Beasley had 476 pass attempts and 73 rushes that is 74% of his teams offense. Beasley had to have a target on him everytime he came on the field. It would be hard to tell what would have been if Beasley had played on a team with the talent of a Trinity around him, surley he would have some looks from colleges because of his teams success. This is not about who is being recruited or how good you will be at the next level, this is to reward these kids for accomplishments they have earned in high school, and Beasley has earned his.

[DaBears]

Carson Whitehead from Harlan Co. should be on one of those teams.

[Cellking]

Since nobody can agree on an all state team, mainly because there are more deserving players than spots. create your own all state team, unless you're wideleft who would just pick highlands or mysonis55 who would only pick mayfield.

i did 3 teams, my picks are based off of guys I've seen in person, on video, and based off of personal and team stats

1st Team
QB: Logan Woodside, Franklin County
RB: Dayln Dawkins, Trinity
RB: Kentayvous Hopkins, Bourbon County
WR: James Quick, Trinity
WR: Ryan Timmons, Franklin County
WR: Necarious Fant, Bowling Green
OL: Mitch Dee, Highlands
OL: Hunter Bivin, Apollo
OL: Joey Bloomfield, Ballard
OL: Matt Elam, John Hardin
OL: Derrick Jude, Belfry
K: Damir Karapandzic, Danville

DL: Jason Hatcher, Trinity
DL: Tony Messer, Belfry
DL: Jacob Hyde, Clay County
DL: Seth Hope, Highlands
LB: Dominic Brown, John Hardin
LB: Jonathon Jackson, Mayfield
LB: Deonte Clyburn, St. Xavier
DB: Ryan White, Trinity
DB: Dennis Oxendine, Tates Creek
DB: Allen Gonsalves, Bowling Green
DB: Austin Pray, Perry County Central
P: Jeff Canady, Knox Central

2nd Team
QB: Donovan McCoy, Highlands
RB: Damien Harris, Madison Southern
RB: Nick Britt, Russell County
WR: Aaron Jackson, Frankfort
WR: Jordan Olinger, Hazard
WR: Scott Daniel, Scott County
OL: Eli Wilson, Graves County
OL: Dylan Hale, Monroe County
OL: Kendall Calhoun, Paducah Tilghman
OL: Alex Hibbs, Pleasure Ridge Park
OL: Rich Whitford, Highlands
K: Houston Ray, Owensboro Catholic

DL: Logan Cart, Owensboro Catholic
DL: Trey Yeager, Boyle County
DL: Tevin Slaughter, Somerset
DL: Jabari Jordan, Trinity
LB: Tyson Williams, Somerset
LB: Lincoln Quick, Bowling Green
LB: Daeshawn Bertram, Trinity
DB: Jervon Christopher, Scott County
DB: Dylan Hayes, NewCath
DB: Richard Trent, Breathitt County
DB: Aaron Morgan, Cooper
P: Zach Bogard, Meade County

3rd Team
QB: Dylan Beasley, Nelson County
RB: Zach Katzman, Graves County
RB: Charles Walker, St. Xavier
WR: Taywan Taylor, Pleasure Ridge Park
WR: Tez Sivils, Caldwell County
WR: Corey Shelton, Williamsburg
OL: J.T. Brown, Morgan County
OL: Koty Hix, Fort Campbell
OL: Rusty Baldridge, Johnson Central
OL: Chandler McPherson, Monroe County
OL: Brady Thacker, NewCath
K: Sean Nuernberger, Oldham County

DL: Dakota Westmoreland, Green County
DL: Derik Overstreet, Paducah Tilghman
DL: Cole Webster, Caldwell County
DL: Kyle Downing, Mayfield
LB: Max Nussbaum, Beechwood
LB: Jared Bowling, Simon Kenton
LB: Donald Styles, Central
DB: Cade O’Bryan, Ashland
DB: Derrius Robinson, East Jessamine
DB: Darrius Spivey-Nunn, Paducah Tilghman
DB: Cameron Fogle, Conner
P: Hans Mikelsoo, Fleming County

I think your Teams are more accurate than AP or CJ Team. Good Job.

[MeadePride]

The Meade kid obviously deserves first team. Check out this ninety yard punt after a safety and a penalty against Henderson.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=...CZ2VVS2wJU

[MayfieldCardinal]

Jake Guhy, Mayfield threw 34 tds and had 1 int and around 2,800 yards passing while completing 65% of his passes. Let me say it again, 1 int.!!!
He deserves a look

[toussaints]

look, the point of this thread was to get you guys to put your team together too. whether it's 1 team, 2 teams, 3 teams. I made my point, people are always going to disagree, my problem with the CJ was more of an effort thing. Now I can sit here all day and defend my picks, but my lunch break is only 30 minutes long.

Do I think I could have done a better job? with more time yes, but i said I'd do one in a day, so i put a deadline on myself. Are my picks perfect? hell no, but again, im hoping you guys put one together so we can compare and argue some more. maybe even come up with an BGR all state team

[MayfieldCardinal]

Your team is fine as there are no right and wrong picks its all opinion. I do not know enough about some of the upstate teams to do a credible team so am sticking to badgering others about theirs. I only got to see 2 eastern KY teams play (Fairview and Belfry) Good job though

[jackbenimble]

look, the point of this thread was to get you guys to put your team together too. whether it's 1 team, 2 teams, 3 teams. I made my point, people are always going to disagree, my problem with the CJ was more of an effort thing. Now I can sit here all day and defend my picks, but my lunch break is only 30 minutes long.

Do I think I could have done a better job? with more time yes, but i said I'd do one in a day, so i put a deadline on myself. Are my picks perfect? hell no, but again, im hoping you guys put one together so we can compare and argue some more. maybe even come up with an BGR all state team

I think it's the best looking team yet.

[ky football]

Hey toussaints you have a good list of players I admit. I like where you had Aaron Jackson and Damien Harris on 2nd team he's actually good enough my opinion to be first team just a sophomore. I have one question we all talking about stats so why don't you have weston little on there. This year 2315 yards 33 tds for his career in just 42 or 43 games he had 7204 yards 100 tds what other running back had those numbers he be 6th all time in yards and some where close to that in tds in state history. Yes I know he played class A football and he was not on a powerhouse team but we shouldn't take that away from his indvidual performance watch him at the border bowl if you can. great list you made up besides that

[toussaints]

^ like QB, running backs are tough because there are more qualified guys than spaces. Looking back on it, I think I would've picked him over Walker at St. Xavier, but at the time, I thought Walker was better.

I've got an idea though

[groundattack]

Logan Cart is better than Jacob Hyde. Bertram, Jackson and Clyburn are the best 3 LB's in the state. Deandre Farris needs to be on the list. I would put the WR from Frankfort on 1st team with Timmons, and Quick. Alot of the kids on this list are on there due to their reputation. I think if you polled coaches Cart is better than Bivin. Just what I have heard around the water cooler.

Jabari Jordan needs to be on the first team. He was more disruptive than Jason Hatcher but Hatcher gets all the pub due to his size.

Deandre Farris from Collins put up amazing numbers agains quality competition. He should be on the top 3.

This team is just another case in which kids are acknowledged more on the accomplishments of their team and their reputation.

I notice Matt Elam is on the 1st team OL, but if you talk to their coaches isn't he primarily a DT?

[jackbenimble]

Logan Cart is better than Jacob Hyde. Bertram, Jackson and Clyburn are the best 3 LB's in the state. Deandre Farris needs to be on the list. I would put the WR from Frankfort on 1st team with Timmons, and Quick. Alot of the kids on this list are on there due to their reputation. I think if you polled coaches Cart is better than Bivin. Just what I have heard around the water cooler.

Jabari Jordan needs to be on the first team. He was more disruptive than Jason Hatcher but Hatcher gets all the pub due to his size.

Deandre Farris from Collins put up amazing numbers agains quality competition. He should be on the top 3.

This team is just another case in which kids are acknowledged more on the accomplishments of their team and their reputation.

I notice Matt Elam is on the 1st team OL, but if you talk to their coaches isn't he primarily a DT?

A few of these players played in the Best of the Bluegrass and some will play in the Border Bowl.When you see them on the same field working out in practice, you can get a pretty good evaluation on some of the players you don't get to see through the season.I know i was suprised on some that had 'Big' names that played in 'The Best of the Bluegrass'.