[basketball_rules]

Why are all the kids at Paintsville quitting? I have some friends that have quit and I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything?

[just wondering]

Why are all the kids at Paintsville quitting? I have some friends that have quit and I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything?

If they are your friends that are quitting you should know the answer to the question that your asking! Why don't you ask them and get back to us.:thanks:

[basketball_rules]

If they are your friends that are quitting you should know the answer to the question that your asking! Why don't you ask them and get back to us.:thanks:

The ones that have quit are afraid to say anything because it will be taken out on them at school with the people there. The ones that are still playing are afraid to say much because they will be punished or pushed aside. From what I can find out is that the head coach was drunk and he had some parent at practice helping him that cursed out a bunch of kids!

[Hoot Gibson]

There is no excuse for threads like this. People need to understand that putting garbage like this on a website opens them up to legal liability. You may think that you are posting false or dubious rumors anonymously, but if somebody decides to file a lawsuit, then you may find out the hard way just how un-anonymous you really are.

[basketball_rules]

There is no excuse for threads like this. People need to understand that putting garbage like this on a website opens them up to legal liability. You may think that you are posting false or dubious rumors anonymously, but if somebody decides to file a lawsuit, then you may find out the hard way just how un-anonymous you really are.

The only thing that I can say is talk to the parents and kids! I think they will say enough!

[Hoot Gibson]

The only thing that I can say is talk to the parents and kids! I think they will say enough!

All I can say that unless you (or your parents, if you are a minor) are judgement proof, you are a fool for making these kind of accusations against somebody that a court would not rule a "public figure." And that is true, even if you hold smoking gun evidence that everything that you said is the undeniable truth. You obviously have some kind of ax to grind and tried to have others smear the men involved by opening the thread with questions instead of statements. As I said, there is no excuse for posting garbage like this on the web. It is cowardly to boot.

[mr.charlie hustle]

All I can say that unless you (or your parents, if you are a minor) are judgement proof, you are a fool for making these kind of accusations against somebody that a court would not rule a "public figure." And that is true, even if you hold smoking gun evidence that everything that you said is the undeniable truth. You obviously have some kind of ax to grind and tried to have others smear the men involved by opening the thread with questions instead of statements. As I said, there is no excuse for posting garbage like this on the web. It is cowardly to boot.

The things which you say have a great deal of merit Hoot, however we must understand that Liability can be a two edged sword.

[Jarons]

How many more threads of the downfall of Paintsville football and basketball are we going to see? Seems like there is a new one each day.

[Saints52]

The ones that have quit are afraid to say anything because it will be taken out on them at school with the people there. The ones that are still playing are afraid to say much because they will be punished or pushed aside. From what I can find out is that the head coach was drunk and he had some parent at practice helping him that cursed out a bunch of kids!

Okay then you must know what's going on if you are defending what you said and say you heard it from parents. You just started the thread to put it out in the open and cause a whole lot of drama.:lame:

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

I know all of the kids that have quit and quite frankly their reasons for quitting have no place on an open forum.

[Hoot Gibson]

The things which you say have a great deal of merit Hoot, however we must understand that Liability can be a two edged sword.

The right way to handle issues with teachers or coaches is the direct route. You give them a chance to make things right, if possible. If you are still unsatisfied, then you give the principal a shot at setting things straight, and you follow through until your complaint lands on the board's agenda, if necessary. If you are not prepared to handle the problem in that manner, then you should keep your opinions to yourself.

I am not talking about critizing a coach's play calling and other coaching decisions - those are things that a reasonable person should expect when they decide to become a coach. What I am talking about is character issues that, if true, render a person an unfit coach, and if untrue, can still destroy a man's ability to earn a living in his chosen profession.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I get tired of seeing anonymous charges like this one going largely unchallenged. They are not good for websites and they are not an adult way of handling what may be a serious problem that needs to be addressed in an adult manner.

[Hong Kong Phooey]

Hoot you are obviously a very well educated and very well spoken person and I couldn't agree with you more. I would only hope that an administrator of this web site would close this thread because it is nothing but slanderous.

[THOMCAT]

It appears that a lot of the negative comments about Paintsville athletics are made by accounts that have made very few posts or have only been created for a few months. Speaks volumes.

[TigerBlues]

It appears that a lot of the negative comments about Paintsville athletics are made by accounts that have made very few posts or have only been created for a few months. Speaks volumes.

You are right Thomcat, and this will get worse as they have to try and compete with middle school players playing against varsity kids. Coach is doing the right thing by getting these kids experience now.

[BIG FAN #1]

You are right Thomcat, and this will get worse as they have to try and compete with middle school players playing against varsity kids. Coach is doing the right thing by getting these kids experience now.

What about the kids who have put their time in and are now 11th or 12th graders. i think paintsville is looking to the future and not the present. which is good in a way but sucks for the upperclassmen.

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

If the 8th graders are better what is the problem?

[BIG FAN #1]

Who said they were better?

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

Well if the coaching staff is playing them over sophomores, and juniors there has to be a reason. Either they are better, or are simply working harder. Being an upperclassman should not exempt a player from being replaced by a younger kid, if the younger kid is showing more effort on the floor, and working harder in practice then as a coach you have to reward that with playing time. It might not be the popular desicion but it is the right one.

[Real Badman]

There is no excuse for threads like this. People need to understand that putting garbage like this on a website opens them up to legal liability. You may think that you are posting false or dubious rumors anonymously, but if somebody decides to file a lawsuit, then you may find out the hard way just how un-anonymous you really are.

No accusations have been made. No rules have been broken. And if you're wondering, legal precedent has already been set for online forums action as you're describing, and unless a court deems the stated text "threatening" there is no case.

[McCameraMan]

I don't know anything about this so I don't know if anyone will answer my question but how many and who exactly has quit the team? I'm just curious. I don't care about the reasons. Just wondering.

[venom93]

All I can say that unless you (or your parents, if you are a minor) are judgement proof, you are a fool for making these kind of accusations against somebody that a court would not rule a "public figure." And that is true, even if you hold smoking gun evidence that everything that you said is the undeniable truth. You obviously have some kind of ax to grind and tried to have others smear the men involved by opening the thread with questions instead of statements. As I said, there is no excuse for posting garbage like this on the web. It is cowardly to boot.

Wj

[BIG FAN #1]

Well if the coaching staff is playing them over sophomores, and juniors there has to be a reason. Either they are better, or are simply working harder. Being an upperclassman should not exempt a player from being replaced by a younger kid, if the younger kid is showing more effort on the floor, and working harder in practice then as a coach you have to reward that with playing time. It might not be the popular desicion but it is the right one.

I agree with that but what im saying is what if the coaches are just trying to get the younger kids more experience and taking the upperclassmen out not because they are better at this point and time but so they will be better in years to come

[Hoot Gibson]

No accusations have been made. No rules have been broken. And if you're wondering, legal precedent has already been set for online forums action as you're describing, and unless a court deems the stated text "threatening" there is no case.

A poster has accused the head coach of being drunk on the job. As for precedent if you have a reference to the case handy then I would be interested in seeing it. I know that th website may be protected against an action but I don't believe that there are any laws that shield individuals who wrongfully defame somebody's character, which is a threat to their livelihood, BTW, from legal action.

As for breaking rules, you must be kidding. This has become a website with many moderators and almost no moderation. Whether rules have been broken, or rules have been broken and simply not enforced is really irrelevant. Garbage like this is not good for websites and should not be tolerated.

[Former Cheerleader]

Because they have their own team, own playing time, own practice. That is where they belong. High School sports should be for high school students.

[mr.charlie hustle]

A poster has accused the head coach of being drunk on the job. As for precedent if you have a reference to the case handy then I would be interested in seeing it. I know that th website may be protected against an action but I don't believe that there are any laws that shield individuals who wrongfully defame somebody's character, which is a threat to their livelihood, BTW, from legal action.

As for breaking rules, you must be kidding. This has become a website with many moderators and almost no moderation. Whether rules have been broken, or rules have been broken and simply not enforced is really irrelevant. Garbage like this is not good for websites and should not be tolerated.

I certainly agree with you HG. I do however believe that an alledged improprity especially when it ultimately concerns public funds and perhaps the health and welfare of minors should have an administrative review which I feel certain will or has taken place. School systems are most professional and it is very unlikely that their business would be aired in a venue such as this especially being such as it is. If there are problems per KRS 208.020 they will I am sure be considered. If allegiations are found to be untrue and made with malice against people by people then you have to hope that matter can be resolved. The "General Public" does not need to know everything. Does the constitution cover freedom to gossip as well as speech?

[Hoot Gibson]

I certainly agree with you HG. I do however believe that an alledged improprity especially when it ultimately concerns public funds and perhaps the health and welfare of minors should have an administrative review which I feel certain will or has taken place. School systems are most professional and it is very unlikely that their business would be aired in a venue such as this especially being such as it is. If there are problems per KRS 208.020 they will I am sure be considered. If allegiations are found to be untrue and made with malice against people by people then you have to hope that matter can be resolved. The "General Public" does not need to know everything. Does the constitution cover freedom to gossip as well as speech?

I agree, Charlie, but making anonymous charges on the internet is not a stand-up way of handling this situation, even if the charges are true. If a person spreads false rumors via gossip and defames an individual, then that person can be found guilty of slander (or libel if they do so in writing). Nobody has any right of freedom of speech on a website paid for by another. A person has a right to face their accuser and in this case, the accuser is anonymous and they are making an accusation against a person whose name is well known to members of this website and the people of Johnson County and most of eastern Kentucky.

The First Amendment restricts the government's ability to restrict free speech. It does not shield individuals who engage in slander or libel from the consequences of their actions. A few states even have criminal laws dealing with libel but for the most part defaming a person can hit your wallet but cannot land you in jail.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor would I want to be one. :biggrin:

[mr.charlie hustle]

I agree, Charlie, but making anonymous charges on the internet is not a stand-up way of handling this situation, even if the charges are true. If a person spreads false rumors via gossip and defames an individual, then that person can be found guilty of slander (or libel if they do so in writing). Nobody has any right of freedom of speech on a website paid for by another. A person has a right to face their accuser and in this case, the accuser is anonymous and they are making an accusation against a person whose name is well known to members of this website and the people of Johnson County and most of eastern Kentucky.

The First Amendment restricts the government's ability to restrict free speech. It does not shield individuals who engage in slander or libel from the consequences of their actions. A few states even have criminal laws dealing with libel but for the most part defaming a person can hit your wallet but cannot land you in jail.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor would I want to be one. :biggrin:

I totally agree with you as well.:Thumbs:I suppose the courts would consider the civil action a "Tort". I suppose a person could end up in jail if they failed to honor a court order. The bottom line is watch what ya say cause ya may not be able to say what you want, less there be-$ :biggrin:

[LOOKAYANNER]

A poster has accused the head coach of being drunk on the job. As for precedent if you have a reference to the case handy then I would be interested in seeing it. I know that th website may be protected against an action but I don't believe that there are any laws that shield individuals who wrongfully defame somebody's character, which is a threat to their livelihood, BTW, from legal action.

As for breaking rules, you must be kidding. This has become a website with many moderators and almost no moderation. Whether rules have been broken, or rules have been broken and simply not enforced is really irrelevant. Garbage like this is not good for websites and should not be tolerated.

There was a case in Georgia that I saw on the news where an anonymous person was posting on Topix that a man was a sex offender. It was posted over and over. It cost him his marriage and his job. Well, he took legal action and they tracked the person down who was making the slanderous posts. It was a woman that worked in a grocery store where the man shopped. When asked by the police why she posted such stuff, she said because he looked at her funny at times and that he just looked like someone who would be a sex offender. She had made it all up just because he fit her discription of what a sex offender would look like. She gave no regard to all the problems she caused this poor man. She would post a question on Topix about him, then use different names to answer the question so it would seem like there were numerous people accusing the man of this crime.
She was arrested and was awaiting trial the last I heard. So yes, there are repercussions for posting slanderous materal on websites, if you are caught. Sander and libel material has also gotten the National Enquirer and several other magazines in some deep trouble and has cost them financially. I wouldn't see why it would be any different for a website.

[Former Cheerleader]

I totally agree with you as well.:Thumbs:I suppose the courts would consider the civil action a "Tort". I suppose a person could end up in jail if they failed to honor a court order. The bottom line is watch what ya say cause ya may not be able to say what you want, less there be-$ :biggrin:

However if there is truth to the slander there is not issue. No one one here know if there is truth in these statements or not. What if there is proof and it is being swept under the rug. People need to quit worring about wht is going on at Paintsville. I fyou have a complaint or concern then it needs to be addressed with the board or KHSAA. The old saying the squeky wheel gets the oil. If everyone that has a complaint on here would complain then maybe something would get done. I was at the game in quesiton where it is said that the coach was under the influence. I did not get close enough to smell anything but his actions would definately indicate that something was wrong.

[BIG FAN #1]

However if there is truth to the slander there is not issue. No one one here know if there is truth in these statements or not. What if there is proof and it is being swept under the rug. People need to quit worring about wht is going on at Paintsville. I fyou have a complaint or concern then it needs to be addressed with the board or KHSAA. The old saying the squeky wheel gets the oil. If everyone that has a complaint on here would complain then maybe something would get done. I was at the game in quesiton where it is said that the coach was under the influence. I did not get close enough to smell anything but his actions would definately indicate that something was wrong.

What were his actions?