[BigSlick]

.......that you see consistently being made by officials in high school basketball today? And I mean calls that are made on a routine basis, not just your common missed call or bad call.

IMO, its the traveling call against offensive players who either ball fake or head fake a defender. The defender then procedes to jump up for a block, which is the purpose of the fake, and directly following is the loud echo of the word WAALLLLKKKK!!! from all the non-basketball ball schooled folks in the stand. Finally, the ref is punk'd into blowing his whistle.

It happens at least once in every game I watch, and it really annoys me because we are trying to teach our kids the fundamental aspects of basketball that watching NBA games won't teach them.

So.......for the love of God, refs. Easy on the fundamentally sound kids.

[Batpuff]

.......that you see consistently being made by officials in high school basketball today? And I mean calls that are made on a routine basis, not just your common missed call or bad call.

IMO, its the traveling call against offensive players who either ball fake or head fake a defender. The defender then procedes to jump up for a block, which is the purpose of the fake, and directly following is the loud echo of the word WAALLLLKKKK!!! from all the non-basketball ball schooled folks in the stand. Finally, the ref is punk'd into blowing his whistle.

It happens at least once in every game I watch, and it really annoys me because we are trying to teach our kids the fundamental aspects of basketball that watching NBA games won't teach them.

So.......for the love of God, refs. Easy on the fundamentally sound kids.

I agree with you, but the one that really kills me is the charge call. I have seen it all year our guys are great at taking the charge and are preached to do so to make up for things. What kills me is we get ran over and 90% of the time are either no calls or called for the block, yea I will say that there are a FEW times that they dont get there. But the thing is we get the no call or the blocking call and then they call a charge on us. (Example: in the game against Sheldon Clark Shawn Thompson picked up two fouls in less than a min, the first min of the game. both of them were charges, then we had kids taking charges on the other end and no calls were made either way) So how is that fair to call it on one end and then turn around and not call it on the other end. Last night in the Belfty game I saw Mitch Copley take 5 charges and 4 of them were called blocking which was crap. One of the blocking calls I saw the Belfry kid lower his shoulder and just plow over top of him, he was there and had his feet set, and it was a good indication that it was a charge when he lowered his shoulder and proceeded to run over top of the defender.

[THUNDERCHILD]

It used to be that the "D" player had to be set for 1 to 2 seconds and not moving for it to be a charge. I think a rule that prevents a player from just flat running overtop of the other team, but now it's used as a tool to try and draw a foul. And the same goes for the other infractions. It all comes down to the ref and how he/she's interpretation of the rule.
That's where everyone runs into trouble. And the players have to re-learn the rules (or how the refs interpretate them) every game.

[BigSlick]

I agree with you guys about seeing some bad charge calls made, but the one that probably irks me the most is this one.


The defender steps in to take a charge, but he is under or near under the basket. That's supposed to be a blocking foul or at worst a no call.

Several times I have seen that call missed this year.

[You Betcha]

Over the back.
Actually it is a push as there is no such thing in the rule book as over the back. I think refs call this way too often just because a player gets a rebound from behind an opponent. For this to be a foul, the opponent has to be pushed out of his legally-aquired position. If that doesn't happen, a foul should not be called.

Blocking foul on a drive to the basket.
I think many refs call a block on the defender simply because he is moving when contact is made. A defender does not have to be stationary in order for a charging foul to be called on the offensive player. If a defender establishes legal guarding position, maintains legal guarding position as he moves with the offensive player, and is not moving toward the offensive player when contact occurs, you only have two possibilities: no foul or charging.

[BCF4L]

Definitely the offensive/defensive foul. Refs can never determine this.

[MCfan]

When the ball is knocked out of bounds, which is a simple call. The 15th region refs cannot make this call, they pretty much alternate who gets the ball when it is knocked out of bounds.

[BigSlick]

Anything Mike Hall blows his whistle on.:wtf1:

[BC75]

lol come to a P-burg game an this thread will be full!!

[THUNDERCHILD]

Anything Mike Hall blows his whistle on.:wtf1:

Isnt that the truth!

[BasketBallonlyfan]

What gets me about refs is, when you have two or three refs calling a game, each is supposed to have a area to watch. One is supposed to watch under the goal, one is supposed to watch the outside game, and if you have three, one is supposed to follow the ball I belive. But if you watch them, it doesnt matter if you have two or three refs, they all follow the ball and not where they are supposed to be looking.

[BigSlick]

What gets me about refs is, when you have two or three refs calling a game, each is supposed to have a area to watch. One is supposed to watch under the goal, one is supposed to watch the outside game, and if you have three, one is supposed to follow the ball I belive. But if you watch them, it doesnt matter if you have two or three refs, they all follow the ball and not where they are supposed to be looking.

They watch the game, rather than officiate it.....I totally agree.

[Cameron Crazy]

My pet peeve would have to be the Charge call.

The 15th region gets that callwrong more than any region I know.

[HARLEY]

One that I hate is when a ref is out of position and makes the call. Say the ball is under the basket and the defensive player just swipes at the ball trying to knock it lose. There is no contact made but the ref at the top of the key see's swinging motion and calls a foul. When the ref under the goal has clear view and calls nothing. Out of Position calls I hate.

[BigSlick]

One that I hate is when a ref is out of position and makes the call. Say the ball is under the basket and the defensive player just swipes at the ball trying to knock it lose. There is no contact made but the ref at the top of the key see's swinging motion and calls a foul. When the ref under the goal has clear view and calls nothing. Out of Position calls I hate.

It seems like they only make a call when they shouldn't. Last night the ref under the basket blew a call (Mike Hall), but the Spanish Ron Jeremy ref seen the foul and didn't blow his whistle.

I think it was a foul against a Belfry player, too. But I do think the game was called horribly on both ends.

[Big Blue]

:omg: :ref2: Hazard vs Wolfe Co in all A region. Tommy Hutton called an offensive kick on Hazard and awarded the ball to Wolfe Co. Never seen an offensive kick called and no one else has either!! ??????

[Don Coleoni]

IMO The absolute worst call I've ever seen happened in the final seconds of the 2004 15th Regional tournament 1st round game between Allen Central and East Ridge at Prestonsburg! The kid from East Ridge rode the AC player (who had a lay up to win the game) to the ground.

[Don Coleoni]

The call was made by Mike Walker

[PUPS 52]

AMEN to that!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anything Mike Hall blows his whistle on.:wtf1:

[ec22fan]

the over the back call

[15th Fan]

The worst call I seen was Friday night. PC vs. Paintsville. The call: David Hess and Blake Bundy going for the ball. It was tied up and Bundy threw a punch that landed on Hess' head. Hess threw a punch back. A double T was called but IMO I think that Bundy should have been thrown out of the game for throwing the first punch and Hess should have got a T for throwing back. If this would have happened Bundy would have to sit out the 1st game in District. However no one was ejected. It was told to me that the ref that made the call had asked WPRG to edit that out of the game. Needless to say it wasn't and you could easily tell that Bundy threw the first punch. Is there any rule in the KHSAA handbook about someone throwing the first punch and whether or not he or she should be ejected? I would really love to know.

[15th Fan]

I agree with you PUPS 52. As a matter of fact, he was the one who called the double T I was talking about in my last post!!!

[tubthumper]

three seconds is never called as often as it should be

[Youngerthandirt]

I think three seconds is called way to often......especially in girls games. The reason I joking say that is because I saw an official call three seconds on the defense. No lie, he called three seconds on the defense, gave the ball out of bounds to the offensive team, even though they had the ball when he made the call. The defensive coach was about to bust out laughing, but did manage to ask why he made the call and was told "your player in the middle of the zone never moved out of the paint."

I swear.....it happened.

[moofer]

I thought you weren't supposed to call out peoples names in these threads. Mike Hall is a decent ref. Far better than some of the others I have seen this year. We should state out opinions, but we shouldn't call out specific names. They are out there trying there best.

[BLUEGRASS-RULES]

The worst call I seen was Friday night. PC vs. Paintsville. The call: David Hess and Blake Bundy going for the ball. It was tied up and Bundy threw a punch that landed on Hess' head. Hess threw a punch back. A double T was called but IMO I think that Bundy should have been thrown out of the game for throwing the first punch and Hess should have got a T for throwing back. If this would have happened Bundy would have to sit out the 1st game in District. However no one was ejected. It was told to me that the ref that made the call had asked WPRG to edit that out of the game. Needless to say it wasn't and you could easily tell that Bundy threw the first punch. Is there any rule in the KHSAA handbook about someone throwing the first punch and whether or not he or she should be ejected? I would really love to know.

Both players should have be ejected and should have been... Any punch thrown either first or second is immediate ejection. No questions.. Yes bundy did throw the first punch.. But 2 wrongs does not make a right.

[The Guru]

Both players should have be ejected and should have been... Any punch thrown either first or second is immediate ejection. No questions.. Yes bundy did throw the first punch.. But 2 wrongs does not make a right.

Correct!!!
I think the refs might have been leanent because they let these boys wrestle after the ball for so long without calling anything that it could have actually been the refs fault!!! I saw at least 6 different fouls on that one specific play!!!