[LWC]

Anyone want to start one or help me start one?

We can discuss who should be seeded in certain spots?

For reference, one was set up around 3 years ago, but it is still listed in the Tournament section. We would start it after the basketball tournament is over.

[Cardinalfootballguy]

you need any help with im glad to help just shoot me a PM

[Stardust]

Cool, I'm always up for it

[LWC]

I think Comfort Eagle did the last one. Would you like to take the reigns, help or neither? lol.

[LWC]

I was thinking a 64+ man tournament.

I would not include divas or specialty wrestlers (i.e. midget wrestling, wrestling bears, etc...)

Below is a list of the wrestlers from the previous tournament:

[LWC]

1. Dean Malenko
   
2. Chris Benoit
   
3. Mick Foley
   
4. Rowdy Roddy Piper
   
5. Sabu
   
6. Jeff Jarrett
   
7. Diesel
   
8. Kane
   
9. Rey Mysterio Jr.
   
10. Chris Jericho
    
11. George "The Animal" Steele
    
12. King Kong Bundy
    
13. Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka
    
14. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
    
15. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
    
16. "British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith
    
17. "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair
    
18. Lex Luger
    
19. HHH
    
20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
    
21. Jerry "The King" Lawler
    
22. "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes
    
23. Ultimate Warrior
    
24. Jake "The Snake" Roberts
    
25. Psycho Sid Vicious
    
26. Bob Backlund
    
27. Hacksaw Jim Duggan
    
28. Yokozuna
    
29. Goldberg
    
30. Ron Simmons (Farooq)
    
31. Gorilla Monsoon
    
32. Stone Cold Steve Austin
    
33. Bret Hart
    
34. Sting
    
35. "Macho Man" Randy Savage
    
36. Andre the Giant
    
37. Owen Hart
    
38. Eddie Guerrero
    
39. The Undertaker
    
40. Jesse "The Body" Ventura
    
41. Diamond Dallas Page (DDP)
    
42. Vader
    
43. Bam Bam Bigelow
    
44. Bruno Sammartino
    
45. Terry Funk
    
46. Kurt Angle
    
47. Rob Van Dam
    
48. Arn Anderson
    
49. Curt Henning
    
50. John Cena
    
51. Edge
    
52. The Rock
    
53. Hulk Hogan
    

[LWC]

Who should we add or remove?

I figured we should at least add enough to make it a 64-man tournament and have seeds.

[Mr. Pike Central]

You know I'd be down for it.

[LClion4life]

1. Dean Malenko
   
2. Chris Benoit
   
3. Mick Foley
   
4. Rowdy Roddy Piper
   
5. Sabu
   
6. Jeff Jarrett
   
7. Diesel
   
8. Kane
   
9. Rey Mysterio Jr.
   
10. Chris Jericho
    
11. George "The Animal" Steele
    
12. King Kong Bundy
    
13. Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka
    
14. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
    
15. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
    
16. "British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith
    
17. "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair
    
18. Lex Luger
    
19. HHH
    
20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
    
21. Jerry "The King" Lawler
    
22. "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes
    
23. Ultimate Warrior
    
24. Jake "The Snake" Roberts
    
25. Psycho Sid Vicious
    
26. Bob Backlund
    
27. Hacksaw Jim Duggan
    
28. Yokozuna
    
29. Goldberg
    
30. Ron Simmons (Farooq)
    
31. Gorilla Monsoon
    
32. Stone Cold Steve Austin
    
33. Bret Hart
    
34. Sting
    
35. "Macho Man" Randy Savage
    
36. Andre the Giant
    
37. Owen Hart
    
38. Eddie Guerrero
    
39. The Undertaker
    
40. Jesse "The Body" Ventura
    
41. Diamond Dallas Page (DDP)
    
42. Vader
    
43. Bam Bam Bigelow
    
44. Bruno Sammartino
    
45. Terry Funk
    
46. Kurt Angle
    
47. Rob Van Dam
    
48. Arn Anderson
    
49. Curt Henning
    
50. John Cena
    
51. Edge
    
52. The Rock
    
53. Hulk Hogan
    

The Big Show

[Stardust]

PWI's top 50 for 2010

[LWC]

PWI's top 50 for 2010

Sounds good except they might have some TNA, RoH, All-Japan Pro and Indy league guys that most wouldn't know.

I am all game for putting Shinsuke Nakamura, Takashi Sugiura, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, etc... on the list but would most people know who they are?

[Stardust]

WWE top 50 all-time:


50.Nikolai Volkoff

49.Junkyard Dog

48.CM Punk

47.Giant Gonzales

46.Ken Shamrock

45.Greg Valentine

44.Rey Mysterio

43.George The Animal Steele

42.Davey Boy Smith

41.Bobby Lashley

40.Roddy Piper

39.Owen Hart

38.Big Show

37.Diesel

36.Kane

35.Yokozuna

34.Ricky Steamboat

33.Kevin Nash

32.Razor Ramon

31.Chris Benoit

30.Jimmy Snuka

29.Andre The Giant

28.Pedro Morales

27.Big John Studd

26.Chris Jericho

25.Edge

24.Kurt Angle

23.Ric Flair

22.Jeff Hardy

21.Bob Backlund

20.Randy Orton

19.Brock Lesnar

18.Eddie Guerrero

17.Bret Hart

16.Rob Van Dam

15.Superstar Billy Graham

14.Randy Savage

13.Bruno Sammartino

12.Batista

11.Goldberg

10.Sgt Slaughter

9.John Cena

8.Triple H

7.Mick Foley

6.The Rock

5.Ultimate Warrior

4.Shawn Michaels

3.Hulk Hogan

2.Undertaker

Number 1 is......



Stone Cold Steve Austin!!!!!!

[Stardust]

1 - The Undertaker
2 - Shawn Michaels
3 - Ric Flair
4 - Hulk Hogan
5 - Sting
6 - The Macho Man Randy Savage
7 - The Rated R Superstar Edge
8 - Stone Cold Steve Austin
9 - The Rock

10 - Rob Van Dam
11 - Kurt Angle
12 - Triple H
13 - The Iron Sheik
14 - Bam Bam Bigelow
15 - Bret "The Hitman" Hart
16 - John Cena
17 - Owen Hart
18 - Eddie Guerrero
19 - Rey Mysterio

20 - Chris Jericho
21 - CM Punk
22 - Kevin Nash
23 - Kane
24 - Jeff Jarrett
25 - Yokozuna
26 - Samoa Joe
27 - Chris Benoit
28 - Tazz
29 - Brian Pillman

30 - John Morrison
31 - The Killer Kowalski
32 - Ted DiBiase Sr.
33 - Booker T
34 - Jeff Hardy
35 - Christian
36 - Mick Foley
37 - Atsushi Onita
38 - Super Crazy
39 - Bryan Danielson

40 - Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart
41 - Yoshihiro Tarjiri
42 - Chavo Guerrero
43 - Paul Burchill
44 - Matt Hardy
45 - Scott Steiner
46 - Big Van Vader
47 - Kenta
48 - Evan Bourne
49 - William Regal

50 - Carlito Colon
51 - The Big Show
52 - Ultimo Dragon
53 - Mistico
54 - Scott Steiner
55 - Shane McMahon
56 - Devon Dudley
57 - Primo Colon
58 - Aerostar
59 - Bubba Ray Dudley

60 - Rhyno
61 - Mark Jindrak
62 - Teddy Hart
63 - Scott Hall
64 - Batista
65 - Paul London
66 - Nigel McGuiness
67 - Chris Hero
68 - Claudio Castagnoli
69 - Colt Cabana

70 - Dr. Stevie Williams
71 - Randy Orton
72 - New Jack
73 - Tommy Dreamer
74 - The American Dream Dusty Rhodes
75 - Jerry "The King" Lawler
76 - Savio Vega
77 - Kaz Hayashi
78 - Cibernetico
79 - Taka Michinoku

80 - Cody Rhodes
81 - Tyson Kidd
82 - Petey Williams
83 - Alex Shelley
84 - Ted DiBiase Jr.
85 - Chris Sabin
86 - Jay Lethal
87 - Matt Morgan
88 - AJ Styles
89 - The Miz

90 - Terry Funk
91 - David Hart Smith
92 - Balls Mahoney
93 - Aerostar
94 - LA Parka
95 - Consequences Creed
96 - Buff Bagwell
97 - Sgt. Slaughter
98 - Gerald Brisco
99 - Dean Malenko
100 - Mark Henry

[Stardust]

1. Sting
2. HHH
3. HBK
4. Undertaker
5. The Rock
6. SCSA
7. Angle
8. Christian
9. Edge
10. Chris Jericho
11. Goldberg
12. Eddie Guerrero
13. Chris Benoit
14. DDP
15. CM Punk
16. Ric Flair
17. Bret Hart
18. Billy Kidman
19. Rey Mysterio
20. Hulk Hogan

[Stardust]

100. Tito Santana
99. Gorilla Monsoon
98. Adrian Adonis
97. Greg "The Hammer" Valentine
96. Classy Freddie Blassie
95. Kevin Sullivan
94. William Regal
93. The Iron Sheik
92. Scott Steiner
91. Dean Malenko
90. George "The Animal" Steele
89. Rocky Johnson
88. Honky Tonk Man
87. Pedro Morales
86. Pat Patterson
85. Ron Simmons
84. Kane
83. Yokozuna
82. A.J. Styles
81. Mike Awesome
80. JBL
79. Larry Zybyszko
78. Buddy Rogers
77. Diamond Dallas Page
76. Dynamite Kid
75. Peter Miavia
74. King Kong Bundy
73. Bam Bam Bigelow
72. Taz
71. Jerry Lynn
70. British Bulldog
69. Ultimo Dragon
68. Dory Funk Jr.
67. Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase
66. Raven
65. Stan Hansen
64. Brock Lesnar
63. Barry Windham
62. Ravishing Rick Rude
61. Wahoo McDaniel
60. Jeff Hardy
59. The Great Muta
58. Jeff Jarrett
57. Scott Hall
56. Arn Anderson
55. Sabu
54. Booker T
53. Owen Hart
52. Shane Douglas
51. "Superstar" Billy Graham
50. Rikidozan
49. Pat O' Connor
48. Stu Hart
47. Kevin Nash
46. Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka
45. Jerry "The King" Lawler
44. The Big Show
43. Bob Backlund
42. Edge
41. Vader
40. Nick Bockwinkel
39. Verne Gagna
38. Sgt. Slaughter
37. "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff
36. Tully Blanchard
35. Mil Mascaras
34. Mr. Perfect
33. Jake "The Snake" Roberts
32. Lex Luger
31. John Cena
30. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
29. Rob Van Dam
28. Gorgeous George
27. Sid Vicious
26. Eddie Guerrero
25. Chris Benoit
24. Rey Mysterio
23. Ultimate Warrior
22. Mick Foley
21. Killer Kowalski
20. "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes
19. Harley Race
18. Chris Jericho
17. Goldberg
16. Triple H
15. Bruno Sammartino
14. Kurt Angle
13. Rowdy Roddy Piper
12. Terry Funk
11. Lou Thesz
10. Sting
9. "Macho Man" Randy Savage
8. Andre The Giant
7. The Rock
6. Bret "Hitman" Hart
5. The Undertaker
4. Shawn Michaels
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
2. Ric Flair
1. Hulk Hogan

[Stardust]

1. Ric Flair
2. Lou Thesz
3. Rikodozan
4. Antonio Inoki
5. Hulk Hogan
6. Andre Rousimoff
7. El Santo
8. Shohei Baba
9. Steve Austin
10. Buddy Rogers

11. Frank Gotch
12. Jim Londos
13. Ed Lewis
14. Stan Hansen
15. Bruno Sammartino
16. Rocky Maivia
17. George Wagner
18. Bruiser Brody
19. Riki Choshu
20. Misuharu Misawa

21. Verne Gagne
22. Jumbo Tsuruta
23. Terry Funk
24. Mil Mascaras
25. Bret Hart
26. Dory Funk Jr
27. Tiger Mask
28. Blue Demon
29. Perro Aguayo
30. Nick Bockwinkle

31. Dusty Rhodes
32. John Valentine
33. Fred Blassie
34. Big Van Vader
35. George Hackenschmidt
36. Jushin Liger
37. Toshiaki Kawada
38. Keiji Mutoh
39. Jack Brisco
40. Harley Race

41. El Hijo del Santo
42. Tatsumi Fujinami
43. Danny Hodge
44. Akira Maeda
45. Chigusa Nagayo
46. Rick Steamboat
47. Shawn Michaels
48. Shin'ya Hashimoto
49. Ray Stevnes
50. Randy Savage

51. Gene Kiniski
52. Nobuhiko Takada
53. Mick Foley
54. Genichiro Tenyru
55. Reggie Lisowski
56. **** Afflis
57. El Canek
58. Antonio Rocca
59. Sheik
60. Don Leo Jonathan

61. Dynamite Kid
62. Undertaker
63. El Solitario
64. Billy Graham
65. Jerry Lawler
66. Roddy Piper
67. Ultimo Dragan
68. Billy Robinson
69. Jaguar Yokata
70. Lioness Asuka

71. Bobo Brazil
72. Karl Gotch
73. Bert Assirati
74. Gory Guerrero
75. Bill Longson
76. Wadlek Kowalski
77. Mildred Burke
78. Abdullah the Butcher
79. **** Beyer
80. Atsushi Onita

81. Ted DiBiase Sr
82. Earl McCready
83. Pat O'Connor
84. Fritz Von Erich
85. Wahoo McDaniel
86. Bill Watson
87. Leoy McGuirk
88. Maurice Vachon
89. Yvon Robert
90. Bronko Nagurski

91. Dos Caras
92. Edouard Carpentier
93. Rayo de Jalisco Sr
94. Stanislaus Zbyszko
95. Sting
96. Pat Patterson
97. Masahito Chono
98. Dara Singh
99. Jesse Ventura
100. Eddie Graham

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_to...z1JpWrnOUB

[Stardust]

1 Hulk Hogan
2 Steve Austin
3 Ric Flair
4 Shawn Michaels
5 The Rock
6 Andre the Giant
7 Bret “The Hitman” Hart
8 Bruno Sammartino
9 Lou Thesz
10 Roddy Piper

11 Randy Savage
12 Kurt Angle
13 Dusty Rhodes
14 Gorgeous George
15 Harley Race
16 Terry Funk
17 The Undertaker
18 Ted DiBiase Sr.
19 Ricky Steamboat
20 Mick Foley
21 Billy Graham
22 Bob Backlund
23 Eddie Guerrero
24 Chris Jericho
25 Curt Hening
26 Jerry Lawler
27 El Santo
28 Sting
29 Triple H
30 Antonio Inoki
31 Road Warriors
32 Chris Benoit
33 Jake Roberts
34 Jon Cena
35 Verne Gagne
36 Owen Hart
37 Rikidozan
38 Jimmy Snuka
39 Great Muta
40 Buddy Rogers
41 Nick Bockwinkle
42 Jushin Liger
43 Dory Funk Jr.
44 Mitsuharu Misawa
45 Mil Mascaras
46 Kenta Kobashi
47 Vader
48 Dynamite Kid
49 Rick Rude
50 Bruiser Brody

and as a special bonus here are numbers 51-100
51 The Iron Sheik
52 Ed Strangler Lewis
53 The Sheik
54 Davey Boy Smith
55 Ultimate Warrior
56 Junkyard Dog
57 AJ Styles
58 Killer Kawolski
59 Big Show
60 Freddie Blassie
61 Scott Hall
62 Sgt Slaughter
63 Dean Malenko
64 Tiger Mask 1
65 Mae Young
66 Rey Mysterio
67 Edge
68 Gorilla Monsoon
69 Giant Baba
70 Hans Schmit
71 Karl Gotch
72 Barry Windham
73 Rob Van Dam
74 Brian Pillman
75 Antonia Rocco
76 Chris Hero
77 Gene Kiniski
78 Arn Anderson
79 Bobby Heenan
80 Stan Hansen
81 Danny Hodge
82 Ultimo Dragon
83 William Regal
84 Mike Quackenbush
85 Dave Finley
86 Fabulous Moolah
87 Jack Briscoe
88 Frank Gotch
89 Kevin Nash
90 Randy Orton
91 Nigel McGuiness
92 Otto Wanz
93 Bam Bam Bigelow
94 Haystacks Calhoun
95 Pedro Morales
96 Jim Duggan
97 Ernie Ladd
98 Steve Corino
99 Abdullah the Butcher
100 Kane

[LWC]

Where were two of those lists from? Especially the one that had Sting at #1.

[Stardust]

My favorite word "Google" it

[LWC]

My favorite word "Google" it

That hard to tell where they came from? :biggrin:

I was just interested to see who called Sting the greatest wrestler of All-Time! I watched an atrocious WWE 50 Superstars documentary that didn't have Hulk Hogan in the Top 20, and had Harley Race above Ric Flair!

Here is that list (with a source :biggrin: )

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2010/1113/533796/

As rated by the current WWE roster (I don't fully believe it, but that is anothe discussion)

1. Shawn Michaels
2. The Undertaker
3. Steve Austin
4. Bret Hart
5. The Rock
6. Harley Race
7. Ricky Steamboat
8. Andre the Giant
9. Rey Mysterio
10. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper
11. Eddie Guerrero
12. Triple H
13. Gorgeous George
14. "Macho Man" Randy Savage
15. "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig
16. John Cena
17. Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair (tied)
19. Edge
20. Jerry "The King" Lawler
21. Lou Thesz
22. Terry Funk
23. Hulk Hogan
24. Bruno Sammartino
25. Chris Jericho
26. Ted DiBiase
27. Fabulous Moolah
28. Classy Freddie Blassie
29. Randy Orton
30. Pat Patterson
31. The Iron Sheik
32. Jimmy Snuka
33. Mick Foley
34. Kurt Angle
35. Buddy Rogers
36. Gorilla Monsoon
37. Junkyard Dog
38. "Superstar" Billy Graham
39. Jake "The Snake" Roberts
40. Big Show
41. Jack Brisco
42. Sgt. Slaughter
43. Kane
44. Nick Bockwinkel
45. Jeff Hardy
46. Dory Funk Jr.
47. Bob Backlund
48. Rick Rude
49. Batista
50. Killer Kowalski

[LWC]

So, the burning question still remains:

How many wrestlers should the tournament consist of? Should it be 64? 128? Something unique with certain wrestlers getting 1st round byes?

When we answer that question, then we can take care of seedings.

I just thought we could do one like the NCAA Tournament with "Regionals" and make it companies. For example, WWE would have one Regional (the easiest because it would be the #1 overall seed), WCW/NWA would get the #2 overall seed, then in no particular order, ECW/TNA would have a seed and then Japan/all-else would get a seed. We could toy with that idea as well.

[LWC]

This could be the list to end all lists:

Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Top 100 Wrestlers of the PWI Years
(They list 500, but I really don't want to make 250 1st round matches, I might catch Stardust in posts, lol)

1. Hulk Hogan
2. Ric Flair
3. Andre The Giant
4. Bret Hart
5. Antonio Inoki
6. Mitsuharu Misawa
7. Bob Backlund
8. Harley Race
9. Randy Savage
10. Shawn Michaels
11. Dusty Rhodes
12. Jushin Liger
13. Rick Steamboat
14. Bruiser Brody
15. Sting
16. Stan Hansen
17. Roddy Piper
18. Nick Bockwinkel
19. Steve Austin
20. Lex Luger
21. The Undertaker
22. Terry Funk
23. Jerry Lawler
24. Kerry Von Erich
25. The Great Muta
26. Shohei "Giant" Baba
27. Vader
28. Jumbo Tsuruta
29. Jimmy Snuka
30. Riki Coshu
31. Tatsumi Fujinami
32. Ted DiBiase
33. Kenta Kobashi
34. Sgt. Slaughter
35. Barry Windham
36. Terry Gordy
37. Tiger Mask (Mitsuharu Misawa)
38. Perro Aguayo
39. Carlos Colon
40. Akira Maeda
41. Dynamite Kid
42. Toshiaki Kawada
43. Nobuhiko Takada
44. Genichiro Tenyru
45. Shinya Hashimoto
46. Cactus Jack
47. Road Warrior Hawk
48. Rick Martel
49. Paul Orndorff
50. Magnificent Muraco
51. Junkyard Dog
52. Tully Blanchard
53. Davey Boy Smith
54. Abdullah The Butcher
55. Curt Hennig
56. Rey Mysterio Jr.
57. Rick Rude
58. David Von Erich
59. Kevin Nash
60. John Studd
61. Ultimo Dragon
62. Arn Anderson
63. El Hijo del Santo
64. Road Warrior Animal
65. Diamond Dallas Page
66. Owen Hart
67. Jack Brisco
68. Bam Bam Bigelow
69. Chris Benoit
70. Masahiro Chono
71. Michael Hayes
72. Scott Hall
73. Magnum TA
74. Ole Anderson
75. Bill Goldberg
76. Rocky Maivia
77. Scott Steiner
78. Steve Williams
79. El Canek
80. Hiroshi Hase
81. Eddie Guerrero
82. Dr. Wagner Jr.
83. Eddie Gilbert
84. Brian Pillman
85. Kevin Von Erich
86. Sabu
87. Gran Hamada
88. Rick Steiner
89. Mr. Saito
90. Jun Akiyama
91. Bobby Eaton
92. The Great Sasuke
93. Tito Santana
94. Mil Mascaras
95. Ricky Morton
96. **** Murdoch
97. Wahoo McDaniel
98. Kiyoshi Tamura
99. Robert Gibson
100. Jake Roberts
101. Ultimate Warrior

[Ring'Em Up]

Shark Boy