[SportzAnimal]

From what I've been told that will not happend no matter how this plays out. That Bridge was torched, probably long before January 4th if the truth be known.

My point exactly... No way you see Will play for Danville, ever again. He'd rather not play anything somewhere else than to go back there.

[Amped 88]

The way I take it, he's ineligible at any KY high school. He will not be goin back to Danville, especially now. Would you wanna play for a coach who is trying to blackball your career? I wouldn't!

Good luck to him and his family in their appeal...

I don't think that is the case. If he moves to another district he will be eligible. From my taking he didn't have a legitimate move to be eligible according to the bylaw.

[Hatz]

I don't think that is the case. If he moves to another district he will be eligible. From my taking he didn't have a legitimate move to be eligible according to the bylaw.

If that's the case, I don't think I get the rationale.

How would moving to say Garrard County change moving from the Danville school district to the Boyle one?

[PurplePride92]

Yeah. On another site they used Lincoln County as an example and said he'd be eligible to play there. I asked how so and the whole bylaws thing came up again. Doesn't make sense that he can't play at Boyle County even though his father legitimately has been living on the Boyle County district for years now but they can pack up and move to Lincoln/Garrard for the sole purpose of playing this year and be eligible. I don't get it.

[Amped 88]

If that's the case, I don't think I get the rationale.

How would moving to say Garrard County change moving from the Danville school district to the Boyle one?

Because by him moving in with his father isn't considered an legal change according to the bylaw that isn't a legal change. They don't recognize it. They weren't even married at the time. Didn't he just move in with his dad?

[SportzAnimal]

Because by him moving in with his father isn't considered an legal change according to the bylaw that isn't a legal change. They don't recognize it. They weren't even married at the time. Didn't he just move in with his dad?

So, the kid has wanted to live with his dad and finally gets that chance. Now, he can't play sports just because of that. BUT he can move to another county for no reason whatsoever and be eligble to play? That makes NO sense at all! That is the stupidest rule I've ever heard of. You punish a kid for moving in with a parent, but he can go to another county and play? I don't get it, just don't get it at all.... Thought high school sports were suppose to be about the kids...guess not!

[Hatz]

Because by him moving in with his father isn't considered an legal change according to the bylaw that isn't a legal change. They don't recognize it. They weren't even married at the time. Didn't he just move in with his dad?

So how does moving with his Dad to Garrard or Lincoln change that? If Dad has to move for it to be legit, does it have to be out of the Boyle district? What if he moved to Perryville, would he be eligible then?

(I'm not ganging up Amped. I'm just curious because it doesn't make sense to me that he could go anywhere but Danville according to this ruling.)

[Amped 88]

So how does moving with his Dad to Garrard or Lincoln change that? If Dad has to move for it to be legit, does it have to be out of the Boyle district? What if he moved to Perryville, would he be eligible then?

(I'm not ganging up Amped. I'm just curious because it doesn't make sense to me that he could go anywhere but Danville according to this ruling.)

His Dad all ready lived in Boyle district. If him and his dad moved out of Boyle County he would be eligible at that school. I am not trying to make anyone mad just stating what the bylaws are saying. I agree Hatz they don't make anysense. I could be wrong myself.

[attacktheV]

I believe your right amped. Heres the kicker, if Harp hadn't protested then I think he would have been able to play at Boyle.

[Amped 88]

I believe your right amped. Heres the kicker, if Harp hadn't protested then I think he would have been able to play at Boyle.

There is no protest about it. The form states that if the student has participated in varsity sports then there has to be a ruling. A school can't just check that they release that student. Harp didn't protest he just check the box that that Dunn participated in varsity sports.

[charlie22]

There is no protest about it. The form states that if the student has participated in varsity sports then there has to be a ruling. A school can't just check that they release that student. Harp didn't protest he just check the box that that Dunn participated in varsity sports.

Bingo. When a player then requests that the ineligibility be waived due to his/her compliance with one of the listed exceptions, the KHSAA staff performs an investigation. They contact people and verify the information provided by the player/parents. If as part of that investigation, they learn that athletic reasons were the basis for the transfer in whole or in part, the kid is ineligible. It doesn't matter if the exception would have otherwise been met. It also doesn't matter whether Harp voluntarily provided info about possible athletic reasons (he has an obligation to provide that info as part of being in the KHSAA) or he only provided it upon the KHSAA's request. Having said that, I have no idea if Harp even provided any such info.

[Amped 88]

Bingo. When a player then requests that the ineligibility be waived due to his/her compliance with one of the listed exceptions, the KHSAA staff performs an investigation. They contact people and verify the information provided by the player/parents. If as part of that investigation, they learn that athletic reasons were the basis for the transfer in whole or in part, the kid is ineligible. It doesn't matter if the exception would have otherwise been met. It also doesn't matter whether Harp voluntarily provided info about possible athletic reasons (he has an obligation to provide that info as part of being in the KHSAA) or he only provided it upon the KHSAA's request. Having said that, I have no idea if Harp even provided any such info.

:Thumbseople think that you can just release athletes to play for someone else. It don't work that way. Danville is just following regulation if they didn't they could be held accountable.

[johnnyt]

ok i am not up on past events. correct me if i am wrong about any of this.

dunn lived with his mom and attended danville and played sports. he then moved in with his dad and attended boyle and hoped to play sports. i am assuming this is the situation.

here is my problem with all of it. the schools are only 4 miles away from each other. i find it hard to believe that because he moved in with his father at another location is facilitated the need for him to go to a school the is 4 miles down the road. now i dont know about the danville/boyle district but most places that i have seen allow for overlap. if you are within city limits and their is a city school you can go to the city school or the county school (granted you may have to provide transportation).

it just seems a little fishy to me that because he moved in with his father that it created a situation where he had to transfer to another school that is just a few blocks away.

[attacktheV]

This sounds alot like when Durrell White transfered from Bell to Middlesboro. How did he get the go ahead to get to play ? I always wondered about that. I am wrong about what I said earlier I'm a man to admit it lol. I read up on it and gained new knowledge.

[charlie22]

ok i am not up on past events. correct me if i am wrong about any of this.

dunn lived with his mom and attended danville and played sports. he then moved in with his dad and attended boyle and hoped to play sports. i am assuming this is the situation.

here is my problem with all of it. the schools are only 4 miles away from each other. i find it hard to believe that because he moved in with his father at another location is facilitated the need for him to go to a school the is 4 miles down the road. now i dont know about the danville/boyle district but most places that i have seen allow for overlap. if you are within city limits and their is a city school you can go to the city school or the county school (granted you may have to provide transportation).

it just seems a little fishy to me that because he moved in with his father that it created a situation where he had to transfer to another school that is just a few blocks away.

Does anyone know if Danville has a reciprocity agreement with Boyle Co, and if not, does Danville charge tuition to out of district students, and if they charge tuition, the amount of tuition?

[Rebel55]

The 2 school systems do not get along. About 10 years ago there was a heated battle over the school district boundries and I believe the courts got envolved over the Bluegrass estates sub-division. This is across the road from Boyle High School. Life is just not that simple between these 2 school systems to just pick and choose where you want to go without a fight.

[Thunder Lips]

:Thumbseople think that you can just release athletes to play for someone else. It don't work that way. Danville is just following regulation if they didn't they could be held accountable.

If Danville had not contested the transfer he would have been eligible immediately. But when they contested it the KHSAA had to look into the legitimacy of the move, which is a complete farce.

Lets face it. This is a joke on the part of the parents/kid. No kid wants to play their first 3 years for a school and friends/teammates and then transfer to any school, much less the crosstown rival school you have been brought up to hate during your Frosh, Soph, and Junior year.

[Sheriik]

I think the whole thing is absurd, its a kid. Geez, he moved....let him play ball wherever....as far as going back to Danville with all the stink thats been raised Id play ping pong before I went and put my heart and soul into another game for a group of people that set out with an intent to do harm...period. As far as KHSAA goes, how do you pick and choose who follows the rules?

[tradition]

If Danville had not contested the transfer he would have been eligible immediately. But when they contested it the KHSAA had to look into the legitimacy of the move, which is a complete farce.

Lets face it. This is a joke on the part of the parents/kid. No kid wants to play their first 3 years for a school and friends/teammates and then transfer to any school, much less the crosstown rival school you have been brought up to hate during your Frosh, Soph, and Junior year.

Thunder Lips, go back and read the quote and response in post #71. It states that the player had played varsity sports, that raises a flag which is just one reason it was investigated. It only takes one reason to open an investigation into intent of the transfer. Does not mean that Danville contested. They may have, they may not have and they may have just been following what rule that the KHSAA laid out for them.

[tradition]

I think the whole thing is absurd, its a kid. Geez, he moved....let him play ball wherever....as far as going back to Danville with all the stink thats been raised Id play ping pong before I went and put my heart and soul into another game for a group of people that set out with an intent to do harm...period. As far as KHSAA goes, how do you pick and choose who follows the rules?

Wow do you really believe that.:dontthink


And what in the world do you mean when you say the KHSAA picks and chooses who follows the rules?



You really have no clue what you are commenting on.

[Amped 88]

Thunder Lips, go back and read the quote and response in post #71. It states that the player had played varsity sports, that raises a flag which is just one reason it was investigated. It only takes one reason to open an investigation into intent of the transfer. Does not mean that Danville contested. They may have, they may not have and they may have just been following what rule that the KHSAA laid out for them.

:Thumbsanville had to do what they did come on get over it rules are rules Thunder Lips even if we don't like them.

[charlie22]

I think the whole thing is absurd, its a kid. Geez, he moved....let him play ball wherever....as far as going back to Danville with all the stink thats been raised Id play ping pong before I went and put my heart and soul into another game for a group of people that set out with an intent to do harm...period. As far as KHSAA goes, how do you pick and choose who follows the rules?

I fully agree that he and every other kid in the state should be able to play ball wherever they want. If a kid is enrolled in a school on the first day of school, he/she should be eligible regardless of whether he/she played varsity sports for another school the prior year. That would simplify matters greatly. It would probably lead to recruiting out the wazoo and the strong schools would get even stronger, but hey, that's America. Perhaps the competition for student athletes would force some schools to place more emphasis on athletics. Those not interested could stop the charade of saying they are serious, when they are not. So what if kids leave one school to go to another school that he/she believes is better/places more emphasison athletics/has better coaches/provides a better chance of getting a college scholarship/etc. High school athletes aren't indentured servents. There just kids. A high school coach is free to coach where he wants and can switch coaching jobs each year if he has a job offer. Workers are free to work where they want and can freely change jobs if they think they'll be better off working for a new employer. Are the outcomes of high school athletic events so important that we want to deny players the ability that their coaches and working Americans have?

But until the rule changes, the rules are the rules and should be enforced. Otherwise we just reinforce the mentality that the rules are "not for me and I can do what I want". Not the message we should be sending to high school kids.

[Sheriik]

There is a rival here between schools, thats what this has to with! If they hadnt contested it we wouldnt be having this conversation. Other than series game they really shouldnt have had a problem with this. I expected Bell, catholic, other 4a to complain but not Danville. As far as the comment about me not knowing what Im talking about, if this is gonna come down to a set of balls again, I can argue with the devil buddy and I got balls big enough for the both of us.

Now I dont care where he plays I think Its horrible that anyone would purposely ruin a high school kids career, Period.

I dont know this kid or very much about him other than the heated comments that have went on in our local paper.

Now hypothetically if you had a son with a girl from across the tracks and didnt marry and the kid stayed with her until the "if you dont like my rules you can go live with you dad" conversation. Im not saying it happened but there could be a million reason he went to live with his dad and I dont know anyone who is a parent that hasnt used the above quote.
Danville is a good football school I do NOT believe it was strickly for athletic reasons same as I dont believe that Danville was only following the rules. Wherever he plays be proud of this young man that he comes from Danville, doesnt matter which school as long as he makes it somewhere. No need for this rival thing to stand in the way of a kid, THAT WAS MY POINT!

[Sheriik]

Wow do you really believe that.:dontthink


And what in the world do you mean when you say the KHSAA picks and chooses who follows the rules?



You really have no clue what you are commenting on.

Yep, I sure do....Danville fans had absolute fit, the paper had to shut the forum down because It got out of hand and according to the paper Danville fans even wrote KHSAA, that is intent. You seriously cant believe it was an easy move for this kid? Are you serious, How many of your kids think that what their friends think is more important? Mine sure does

[johnnyt]

i completely disagree. the kids are in school to get an education not to get recruited to go to another school to play sports. if they throw out that rule 50% of the schools in the state might as well just shut down their programs because if they ever have a kid with talent they will just transfer to one of the power house schools. there would be 4-5 teams per division that would have a chance to win championships. the rule is in place to keep schools from recruiting STUDENTS from another school to play on a team. not that it doesnt happen now, but it is an attempt to keep it at a minimum. that is like what we should do is allow schools to pay players to play for them. give them a million or 2 million a year to play. if you did that do you think butler would have made it as far as they did? i doubt it.

[Hatz]

i completely disagree. the kids are in school to get an education not to get recruited to go to another school to play sports. if they throw out that rule 50% of the schools in the state might as well just shut down their programs because if they ever have a kid with talent they will just transfer to one of the power house schools. there would be 4-5 teams per division that would have a chance to win championships. the rule is in place to keep schools from recruiting STUDENTS from another school to play on a team. not that it doesnt happen now, but it is an attempt to keep it at a minimum. that is like what we should do is allow schools to pay players to play for them. give them a million or 2 million a year to play. if you did that do you think butler would have made it as far as they did? i doubt it.

Concerning the bolded, I hope you are speaking in general terms of the rules and not specific with this case. Boyle DID NOT recruit this kid to come and play football for them. This was a Dunn family decision.

Just wanted to make that a little more clear in case your inference was intentional rather than unintentional.

[tradition]

Yep, I sure do....Danville fans had absolute fit, the paper had to shut the forum down because It got out of hand and according to the paper Danville fans even wrote KHSAA, that is intent. You seriously cant believe it was an easy move for this kid? Are you serious, How many of your kids think that what their friends think is more important? Mine sure does

My kid thinks that what HE thinks is more important. Don't agree that he thinks what his friends think is more important. But hey that's my kid.

[johnnyt]

yes hatz, i didnt mean to imply that boyle did in this case. all i am saying is without a doubt, if we remove the rule there will be mass recruiting across the board and it seams like half the people on this thread would think that everything would be fine.

[charlie22]

i completely disagree. the kids are in school to get an education not to get recruited to go to another school to play sports. if they throw out that rule 50% of the schools in the state might as well just shut down their programs because if they ever have a kid with talent they will just transfer to one of the power house schools. there would be 4-5 teams per division that would have a chance to win championships. the rule is in place to keep schools from recruiting STUDENTS from another school to play on a team. not that it doesnt happen now, but it is an attempt to keep it at a minimum. that is like what we should do is allow schools to pay players to play for them. give them a million or 2 million a year to play. if you did that do you think butler would have made it as far as they did? i doubt it.

I assume you were responding to my post. If so, thank you and I'll use your post to throw some thoughts out there for people to think about, while playing the devil's advocate.

I don't disagree with you that, if you let kids freely transfer, it would result in a higher concentration of athletic talent at fewer schools. Continuing to play devil's advocate, I'll ask, so what? Should we restrict the decisions of kids to play where they want for the mere sake of having that proverbial level playing field? Are high school sports more about worrying about wins and losses and worrying about what teams win state championships than allowing kids to participate at the school they want to attend? If coaches are as important as many of them feel they are (and I feel they are), why don't we restrict the ability of coaches to change jobs? For that matter, why do we still have school district boundaries to begin with? Is it a carry over from some archiac way of thinking? If school X has a much better science program than school Y, shouldn't we allow a student very interested in science but living in Y's district to attend school X and automatically have the state funds follow the kid to school X without the antiquated reciprocity agreement needed to being in place? Do we better serve society by holding that kid back from getting the best science education possible for the sake of preserving school boundaries?

Do adults worrying about wins and losses and state funds have their priorities all wrong?

Ponder: if only a few certain schools won the championships each year, would the kids at the rest of the school start looking at athletics as something they participated in for the fun of participation since they would realize they really don't have a shot at winning a state championship against these few certain schools? Would we'd see the return of multi sport athletes who play multiple sports because they enjoy them, as opposed to talented athletes only playing one sport in their quest to win a state championship in one sport? Would most coaches actually enjoy returning to getting the opportunity to just spend time coaching and molding kids, than worrying about winning state championships and having the pressure to do so (or else)?

Is the emphasis on winning a state championship today just too much and is it harming as opposed to helping kids? Would allowing for free and easy transfers actually indirectly benefit more kids in the long run?

Just questions that cross my mind as I read about the Dunn case. When we have rules that result in a kid not being able to play sports his senior year, all in the sake of trying to get that level playing field, I wonder if we as adults have our priorities all wrong.

[SportzAnimal]

Might as well lay this thread to rest. Agree to disagree, cause it doesn't matter. One more statement, then I'm done with this thread....I just hate to see a kid (no matter what state, class, region, district, or school) not get to play sports, just because they moved in with the other parent. It may be against rules and by-laws or whatever. Sometimes you just have to do the greater good....