[thecavemaster]

As we take a giant step toward justice in the whole healthcare game....

[Mr.Kimball]

As we take a giant step toward justice in the whole healthcare game....

How was anything trumped? Is trumped what you call a bunch of democrats that sold their souls to the higgest bidder? Are even you so foolish not to recognize that? The "Armageddon" is still to come. That just ensured it.

[thecavemaster]

How was anything trumped? Is trumped what you call a bunch of democrats that sold their souls to the higgest bidder? Are even you so foolish not to recognize that? The "Armageddon" is still to come. That just ensured it.

Sometimes, Kemba, I wonder if you understand politics at all. Why would anyone marching around in grape juice get all indignant at the stains on someone else's clothes? "Let's make a deal" is at least as old as "politics" itself. Come on, Man.

[Mr.Kimball]

Sometimes, Kemba, I wonder if you understand politics at all. Why would anyone marching around in grape juice get all indignant at the stains on someone else's clothes? "Let's make a deal" is at least as old as "politics" itself. Come on, Man.

Oh I understand politics. It's called selling one's soul if that's what it take to get personal game. Yet you condem those that are capitalist, and condone this stuff as "business as usual" ? What a hypocrit!!!


Let's make a deal? Yeah, that's about what it boils down to . Screw what's right. Screw my "apparently non-existant" conscience. It's "what's in it for me". "What's my vote worth, whose got the cash , boys"?

I'll give you credit. You've got it pegged, just as I do. What's the diffence in our ideologies though?

[thecavemaster]

Oh I understand politics. It's called selling one's soul if that's what it take to get personal game. Yet you condem those that are capitalist, and condone this stuff as "business as usual" ? What a hypocrit!!!


Let's make a deal? Yeah, that's about what it boils down to . Screw what's right. Screw my "apparently non-existant" conscience. It's "what's in it for me". "What's my vote worth, whose got the cash , boys"?

I'll give you credit. You've got it pegged, just as I do. What's the diffence in our ideologies though?

Oh, no, Kimball...not so fast. Selling one's soul? Being persuaded to vote for a bill by understanding that a program or two might come to your district? NO ONE believes this bill will destroy America as would a biblical battle. Yet they say it, don't they? Why? Because they KNOW the average American voter is a political novice, never bothering to read much for him or herself. Jehovah Witnesses count on the average Christian being fairly illiterate about the Bible... so it goes in politics. And, the "what's in it for me" is often "my district"... i.e. I can run commericials showing what all I've accomplished for the district, for the voters in Parish 124 or whatever. Politicians are no more or less selfish than the American public, Kimball.

[BillyB]

Oh I understand politics. It's called selling one's soul if that's what it take to get personal game. Yet you condem those that are capitalist, and condone this stuff as "business as usual" ? What a hypocrit!!!


Let's make a deal? Yeah, that's about what it boils down to . Screw what's right. Screw my "apparently non-existant" conscience. It's "what's in it for me". "What's my vote worth, whose got the cash , boys"?

I'll give you credit. You've got it pegged, just as I do. What's the diffence in our ideologies though?

I don't think the comparison of being anti-capitalist and pro HCR-like bills makes anyone a hypocrit[e]. In fact, they seem very consistent.

That is not to say either that HCR and capitalism are mutually exclusive. You could argue that the system failed. Many of those with their hands in the health insurance system overreached. That includes drs, hospitals, insurers, and others.

[Mr.Kimball]

I don't think the comparison of being anti-capitalist and pro HCR-like bills makes anyone a hypocrit[e]. In fact, they seem very consistent.

That is not to say either that HCR and capitalism are mutually exclusive. You could argue that the system failed. Many of those with their hands in the health insurance system overreached. That includes drs, hospitals, insurers, and others.

That's not even what I am implying. I am corresponding the act of condoning someones selling their vote for personal gain vs. the condemnation of someone who is accused of being a greedy capitalist. That is clearly a hypocritical stance.

Not totally untrue, but you must remember that the fraud and the manipulation of many of the recipitants in all government assisted programs is equal to, or if not greater than the excessive instances of over indulgence by the parties that you named. But, lets also not forget to point out that the ambulance chaser, and illegitimate malpractice claims by that slimiest form of existance known to man (the attorney), is responsible for as much monetary abuse as the other two categories. Where are the checks and balance system in dealing with those scum bags? Could it be because most politians are lawyers themselves? I guess that can explain why most fit into the "selling their souls" mold. It's just in their inner beings.

[BillyB]

That's not even what I am implying. I am corresponding the act of condoning someones selling their vote for personal gain vs. the condemnation of someone who is accused of being a greedy capitalist. That is clearly a hypocritical stance.

Not totally untrue, but you must remember that the fraud and the manipulation of many of the recipitants in all government assisted programs is equal to, or if not greater than the excessive instances of over indulgence by the parties that you named. But, lets also not forget to point out that the ambulance chaser, and illegitimate malpractice claims by that slimiest form of existance known to man (the attorney), is responsible for as much monetary abuse as the other two categories. Where are the checks and balance system in dealing with those scum bags? Could it be because most politians are lawyers themselves? I guess that can explain why most fit into the "selling their souls" mold. It's just in their inner beings.

So, "recipitant" fraud is equal to litigation costs to the health care system? Where's the proof for that?

Since you seem to know, what portion of the litigation costs for the health care system are for legitimate malpractice claims versus "illegitimate malpractice claims"? And, "ambulance chaser" claims versus legitimate ones. (Though, I don't understand how one driver suing another drives up costs on the health care system -- unless you're just off topic venting.)

If you can separate them out so easily, it would seem easy for Congress to do the same. Assuming you'd claim that the Dems would never put an end to those claims b/c they are in the pockets of the "scum bags," why didn't the Repubs prohibit those claims? Seems like an easy sell to the American public.

[thecavemaster]

That's not even what I am implying. I am corresponding the act of condoning someones selling their vote for personal gain vs. the condemnation of someone who is accused of being a greedy capitalist. That is clearly a hypocritical stance.

Not totally untrue, but you must remember that the fraud and the manipulation of many of the recipitants in all government assisted programs is equal to, or if not greater than the excessive instances of over indulgence by the parties that you named. But, lets also not forget to point out that the ambulance chaser, and illegitimate malpractice claims by that slimiest form of existance known to man (the attorney), is responsible for as much monetary abuse as the other two categories. Where are the checks and balance system in dealing with those scum bags? Could it be because most politians are lawyers themselves? I guess that can explain why most fit into the "selling their souls" mold. It's just in their inner beings.

KImball, horse trading and politics go together, have gone together, and will probably always go together... and you know it. If a politician votes, against conscience, or knowingly against the best interests of the country, that might rise to "soul selling" level. Also, the role of the attorney is a valuable one in this society, and every profession contains scoundrels. I agree with you that measured tort reform is necessary.

[Mr.Kimball]

KImball, horse trading and politics go together, have gone together, and will probably always go together... and you know it. If a politician votes, against conscience, or knowingly against the best interests of the country, that might rise to "soul selling" level. Also, the role of the attorney is a valuable one in this society, and every profession contains scoundrels. I agree with you that measured tort reform is necessary.

Did Nancy Pelosi not state that she was going "to drain the swamp"? Instead she has been a subject of as using as much underhanded and sleazy strong armed, Chicago ganglang tactics and being responsible for as much tax dollar waste as anyone.

Just because someone has done something for ions does not make it right to continue. Change and Hope were the battle cries, correct?

Never the less, it is evident that they are as much responsible for the whole disaster as anyone else that has been stated, yet there is no legislation bent on correcting those practices. Tort reform is consistanty swept under the rug.

[Mr.Kimball]

So, "recipitant" fraud is equal to litigation costs to the health care system? Where's the proof for that?

Since you seem to know, what portion of the litigation costs for the health care system are for legitimate malpractice claims versus "illegitimate malpractice claims"? And, "ambulance chaser" claims versus legitimate ones. (Though, I don't understand how one driver suing another drives up costs on the health care system -- unless you're just off topic venting.)

If you can separate them out so easily, it would seem easy for Congress to do the same. Assuming you'd claim that the Dems would never put an end to those claims b/c they are in the pockets of the "scum bags," why didn't the Repubs prohibit those claims? Seems like an easy sell to the American public.

Where's your proof that it's not?


You ever hear instances of a lawyer contacting people that make the headlines of being in an accident and enticing them to sue someone else? You ever hear of someone who has fallen in a store and left unhurt only to have an attorney convince them that there is gold at the end of the tunnel, and they have something coming to them? You certainly are naive. Insurance companies are often forced to settle claims out of court even when they are not liable because it's cheaper than going the litigation route. I do have vast first hand knowlege of that. If you were ever in business for yourself you would be agreeing with me whole heartedly.Granted those may be of general liability claims instances, but in the case of health insurance claims, illegitimate and fraudulent malpractice claims are a prime reason why doctors have a hard time being able to afford those premiums. Hey, someone has to pay when these overhead costs when they are incurred. Ultimately it's the insurance company's policy holder that incurs the final cost.


Because I am claiming that they are all scumbags, which ever party you want to talk about. In fact, I tend to blame republicans more for their own actions as the reason as to why liberal forces have gained control. If they had operated with the same stated conservative convictions they claim, then we wouldn't be talking about some of this stuff, would we? If you notice the vast majority of Americans are feed up with the status quo of Washington, thus the formation of Tea Party like groups. There is no bias towards any single party by the multitude.

[thecavemaster]

Where's your proof that it's not?


You ever hear instances of a lawyer contacting people that make the headlines of being in an accident and enticing them to sue someone else? You ever hear of someone who has fallen in a store and left unhurt only to have an attorney convince them that there is gold at the end of the tunnel, and they have something coming to them? You certainly are naive. Insurance companies are often forced to settle claims out of court even when they are not liable because it's cheaper than going the litigation route. I do have vast first hand knowlege of that. If you were ever in business for yourself you would be agreeing with me whole heartedly.Granted those may be of general liability claims instances, but in the case of health insurance claims, illegitimate and fraudulent malpractice claims are a prime reason why doctors have a hard time being able to afford those premiums. Hey, someone has to pay when these overhead costs when they are incurred. Ultimately it's the insurance company's policy holder that incurs the final cost.


Because I am claiming that they are all scumbags, which ever party you want to talk about. In fact, I tend to blame republicans more for their own actions as the reason as to why liberal forces have gained control. If they had operated with the same stated conservative convictions they claim, then we wouldn't be talking about some of this stuff, would we? If you notice the vast majority of Americans are feed up with the status quo of Washington, thus the formation of Tea Party like groups. There is no bias towards any single party by the multitude.

Politicians are just people, Kimball. Most human relationships involve a fair amount of give and take, consensus building and the like. The political enterprise is no different. The vast amount of Americans would squall like Ralph Cramden if the particular government welfare (oh but no they don't call it that when it helps them) programs that benefit them were touched... in fact they do. I don't like the "sue McDonald's for hot coffee" culture either, Kimball. However, I don't think you have to swing the pendulum to "all scumbags" and a complete "buyer beware" jungle to correct the overswing of the pendulum in litigiousness. Karate Kid: "Daniel, Son, all things... balance."

[Hoot Gibson]

As we take a giant step toward justice in the whole healthcare game....

"Social justice" is the new "Workers of the world unite." There is no justice when one's government robs the rich to give to the poor and that summarizes the cornerstones of Obamacare.

[thecavemaster]

"Social justice" is the new "Workers of the world unite." There is no justice when one's government robs the rich to give to the poor and that summarizes the cornerstones of Obamacare.

The rest of the Western world was ahead of the curve on this one, Hoot: people ought not go broke because they get sick, ought not die prematurely (unnecessarily) because they don't have access to healthcare. If you can't "man up" and admit that, you may be more of a Stalinist in heart than you imagine.

[Hoot Gibson]

KImball, horse trading and politics go together, have gone together, and will probably always go together... and you know it. If a politician votes, against conscience, or knowingly against the best interests of the country, that might rise to "soul selling" level. Also, the role of the attorney is a valuable one in this society, and every profession contains scoundrels. I agree with you that measured tort reform is necessary.

Obamacare did not get passed as the result of horse trading. It passed as the result of horse theft. Hopefully justice will be done and the bribe takers will be punished accordingly. The fate of this socialist power grab will ultimately rest with the Supreme Court.

[Hoot Gibson]

The rest of the Western world was ahead of the curve on this one, Hoot: people ought not go broke because they get sick, ought not die prematurely (unnecessarily) because they don't have access to healthcare. If you can't "man up" and admit that, you may be more of a Stalinist in heart than you imagine.

I will let others judge which posters consistently express Stalinist sentiments here. People should not go broke because their government confiscates their wages to save people who are too lazy and too dishonest to pay their own way in society.

[thecavemaster]

Obamacare did not get passed as the result of horse trading. It passed as the result of horse theft. Hopefully justice will be done and the bribe takers will be punished accordingly. The fate of this socialist power grab will ultimately rest with the Supreme Court.

The Act did not get passed based on thievery, Hoot. It's the political process, Brother. Republicans use it. Democrats use it. Independents use it. Libertarians use it. Husbands use it. Wives use it. School councils use it.

[Hoot Gibson]

The Act did not get passed based on thievery, Hoot. It's the political process, Brother. Republicans use it. Democrats use it. Independents use it. Libertarians use it. Husbands use it. Wives use it. School councils use it.

The bill is unconstitutional and if large parts of it are not found to be so, then there was no reason to win the Cold War. The federal government cannot compel the purchase of any product by private citizens. If Obama succeeds in this effort, then the Republic is lost.

[thecavemaster]

The bill is unconstitutional and if large parts of it are not found to be so, then there was no reason to win the Cold War. The federal government cannot compel the purchase of any product by private citizens. If Obama succeeds in this effort, then the Republic is lost.

More Armageddon talk from the fringe. One way or another, we've got to get everybody under some kind of health insurance umbrella, Friend. I'm sure the Act will get tinkered with, maybe whole portions undone then redone then undone then redone ad nauseum, but our current system is not sustainable. "The Republic is lost." What a hack.

[Old School]

Finally some of the left wingers like Al Sharpton are coming clean, ole Rev. Al told Fox News that when America voted for Barry on Nov. 4 2008 they were voting for socialism. He also said President Barack Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would begin "transforming" the country.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/03/22/al-sharpton-american-public-overwhelmingly-socialism-when-they-elected-pr#ixzz0ix5vFk7f

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2...elected-pr

[Hoot Gibson]

More Armageddon talk from the fringe. One way or another, we've got to get everybody under some kind of health insurance umbrella, Friend. I'm sure the Act will get tinkered with, maybe whole portions undone then redone then undone then redone ad nauseum, but our current system is not sustainable. "The Republic is lost." What a hack.

You should really look where you stand on issues before calling anybody a "hack." Although socialists have grown in number with Obama's ascendancy, you and your comrades are still firmly on the fringe.

[Hoot Gibson]

Finally some of the left wingers like Al Sharpton are coming clean, ole Rev. Al told Fox News that when America voted for Barry on Nov. 4 2008 they were voting for socialism. He also said President Barack Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would begin "transforming" the country.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/03/22/al-sharpton-american-public-overwhelmingly-socialism-when-they-elected-pr#ixzz0ix5vFk7f

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2...elected-pr

I watched Rev. Al say this on Fox. Anybody who supports Obama and does not believe that they are supporting a team of dedicated socialists is just not paying attention.

[Old School]

I watched Rev. Al say this on Fox. Anybody who supports Obama and does not believe that they are supporting a team of dedicated socialists is just not paying attention.

Most Obama supporters would not admit to him being a socialist, if he were to stand at the front doors of the White House and announce it to the world himself.

[Joe Friday]

Finally some of the left wingers like Al Sharpton are coming clean, ole Rev. Al told Fox News that when America voted for Barry on Nov. 4 2008 they were voting for socialism. He also said President Barack Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would begin "transforming" the country.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/03/22/al-sharpton-american-public-overwhelmingly-socialism-when-they-elected-pr#ixzz0ix5vFk7f

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2...elected-pr

How about it, you B. Hussein voters (such as CM, Devilswin, & BillyB, et al) is Rev Al correct - did you vote for socialism when you voted for the annointed one?

[thecavemaster]

How about it, you B. Hussein voters (such as CM, Devilswin, & BillyB, et al) is Rev Al correct - did you vote for socialism when you voted for the annointed one?

May I suggest, you snivelling twit, that the President's name is Barack Obama. You've got more Stalin in the venom of your driveling heart than Barack Obama could even imagine. Demonizing those who disagree with you? Nice Stalinist tactic. Distortion of facts to produce fear? Nice Stalinist tactic. Barack Obama is a politician. "Christ" means anointed one in the Judaeo-Christian tradition. Your suggestion that a person who believes in a key role for government in a constitutionally-based democracy must be a socialist is as juvenile as it is asinine.

[Joe Friday]

May I suggest, you snivelling twit, that the President's name is Barack Obama. You've got more Stalin in the venom of your driveling heart than Barack Obama could even imagine. Demonizing those who disagree with you? Nice Stalinist tactic. Distortion of facts to produce fear? Nice Stalinist tactic. Barack Obama is a politician. "Christ" means anointed one in the Judaeo-Christian tradition. Your suggestion that a person who believes in a key role for government in a constitutionally-based democracy must be a socialist is as juvenile as it is asinine.

Suggest what ever you like, you little twerp!::wink:: I take your response as a 'YES' that you voted for the advocation of the redistribution of wealth by voting for the annointed one. Oh, by the way, if you don't believe he is the annointed one, just ask him.:biggrin: I have a suggestion of my own, give Bulldog 149 back his Kool-aid.:yikes:

[thecavemaster]

Suggest what ever you like, you little twerp!::wink:: I take your response as a 'YES' that you voted for the advocation of the redistribution of wealth by voting for the annointed one. Oh, by the way, if you don't believe he is the annointed one, just ask him.:biggrin: I have a suggestion of my own, give Bulldog 149 back his Kool-aid.:yikes:

I voted for Barack Obama, a politician who was currently serving as US Senator from Illinois. If you're hearing voices from "god" or something telling you he's the "anointed one" or something, my suggestion is up the meds. Why is it you Right Wing Flirties need to believe a vote for Obama meant some sort of worship? Is that what BeckBaughO'Reilly says?

[BillyB]

Where's your proof that it's not?

I didn't throw it out there to see if it would stick. You did.

You ever hear instances of a lawyer contacting people that make the headlines of being in an accident and enticing them to sue someone else? You ever hear of someone who has fallen in a store and left unhurt only to have an attorney convince them that there is gold at the end of the tunnel, and they have something coming to them?

Yes and Yes

You certainly are naive.

You don't know me or the depth of my knowledge on these issues.

I do have vast first hand knowlege of that.

Probably not as much as I do.

If you were ever in business for yourself you would be agreeing with me whole heartedly.

I am and I do, but that has nothing to do with my post.

Granted those may be of general liability claims instances,

Ya think!

but in the case of health insurance claims, illegitimate and fraudulent malpractice claims are a prime reason why doctors have a hard time being able to afford those premiums. Hey, someone has to pay when these overhead costs when they are incurred. Ultimately it's the insurance company's policy holder that incurs the final cost.

No doubt. Back to my post though. Tell me how to sort out the meritorious claims from the bogus ones. Surely, you wouldn't want to stop even the claims with merit?

[BillyB]

"Social justice" is the new "Workers of the world unite." There is no justice when one's government robs the rich to give to the poor and that summarizes the cornerstones of Obamacare.

Someone listens to Glen Beck.

[BillyB]

How about it, you B. Hussein voters (such as CM, Devilswin, & BillyB, et al) is Rev Al correct - did you vote for socialism when you voted for the annointed one?

Leaving aside the juvenile name-calling, I'll answer your questions.

I really don't care what Rev Al says. He's funny to watch when he's on TV because he has a pretty quick wit. That's about it for my attention to him.

I voted for someone smart enough to realize that this country could do more to protect its citizens than just start wars. "A necessitous man is not a free man." Healthy, involved citizens have a much better chance of being productive members of society than do those we cast aside.

With all their flaws, the judicial system and policy-making process in this Country are the best in the world. Both will, over time, refine HCR to benefit the most people in the best way. (And, before you stroke out, I include those who need coverage as well as the selfish who would rather keep every cent of their money to spend it on junk for themselves.) Just accept that this was a clear consequence of the election. Work to elect this November those who share your views. In fact, all Tea Partiers should work hard to have extreme right-wingers soundly defeat Republicans in the primary. :biggrin: