[the 1 the only]

Can't wait til satarday morning due to SV getting the best draw in Sweet 16 history they'll play til satarday morning and then let clark co run them out of the gym should be historical with a enormous crowd in the first half with cicada season ending at half time and by the third quarter you should prolly see hardly any SV fans at rupp for the next 16 years

[triplemaniaman]

Can't wait til satarday morning due to SV getting the best draw in Sweet 16 history they'll play til satarday morning and then let clark co run them out of the gym should be historical with a enormous crowd in the first half with cicada season ending at half time and by the third quarter you should prolly see hardly any SV fans at rupp for the next 16 years

If they do play Clark County I highly doubt it being a blowout by halftime or the third quarter, it wouldn't even be a blowout.

[central fan]

WOW somebodys upset, but thats your opinion.

IMO if they play like they can then they will be playing Saturday night and may even be able to win it all.
Even if they loose in the first round I'll be there to see all of the games.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Can't wait til satarday morning due to SV getting the best draw in Sweet 16 history they'll play til satarday morning and then let clark co run them out of the gym should be historical with a enormous crowd in the first half with cicada season ending at half time and by the third quarter you should prolly see hardly any SV fans at rupp for the next 16 years

If that is the fact I will be there until the end to cheer for the team that has made my home so proud.... I would never leave the game early.

[NYY10]

me as well. I'll be there Friday and Saturday, regardless if Valley playing or not, Got the tickets

[Aslan]

If they do play Clark County I highly doubt it being a blowout by halftime or the third quarter, it wouldn't even be a blowout.

Me too. Nobody on SV's half of the bracket could blow them out.

[UnderArmour24]

If you count the tournaments Valley travel to and play in and win games against top competition from other states and in state and play games against christian county and miller grove GA and win the all A state championship again this year it isnt that weak. They have to choice but to play some of there region and district components which are extremely weak. But it would be a false statement to say they havent played any competition IMO.

[Scotty doesn't know]

If you count the tournaments Valley travel to and play in and win games against top competition from other states and in state and play games against christian county and miller grove GA and win the all A state championship again this year it isnt that weak. They have to choice but to play some of there region and district components which are extremely weak. But it would be a false statement to say they havent played any competition IMO.

Very true. I really do not know what could cause someone to bring a topic like this up.

[goodguy]

If you count the tournaments Valley travel to and play in and win games against top competition from other states and in state and play games against christian county and miller grove GA and win the all A state championship again this year it isnt that weak. They have to choice but to play some of there region and district components which are extremely weak. But it would be a false statement to say they havent played any competition IMO.

You are kidding right??????

Look at every other top team in KY and compare their schedule to Shelby Valley's. To say that SV has played no competition IS wrong. They have played ONE competitive game all season, Christian Co. Several of the top teams in the state play very few in-region games except for district games. Look at Trinity, Scott Co., GRC, Lex Cath, Ballard etc. Those teams play more out-of-region games than in-region games (excluding the mandatory district games).

And if you think the competition in the All A State Tournament is top competition you are sadly mistaken. There was not a ranked team in the whole tournament except for Shelby Valley.

I don't think people are saying that Shelby Valley is a bad team, they are just saying that they play a "Patsy" schedule. I know for a fact a paticular top team in the state tried to schedule a home/away game with them this year and they would not play them.

This is not the players fault, the schedule is totally under the Athletic Directors and Varsity Coaches area of responsibility.

[More Cowbell]

I do get on here a lot to defend Shelby Valley from some of the unnecessary criticism they receive. Like, for instance, comparing their program to once-in-a-generation cicadas.

But as I've said before, I will not attempt to defend their schedule. Playing Christian County was a good decision, as I was at that game and the atmosphere was very good for a regular-season contest. But they needed more of that. If another elite school offered a home-and-home series as mentioned in the above post, SV's staff should've jumped at it.

Also, like others have said, they should have been in a at least one of the big in-state tournaments, either the KOB or Republic Bank. They could have done that and still taken an out-of-state trip if they so desired. I know in the 07/08 season they played in Jeffersontown's tournament first, then turned around and went off to New York. So it could have been worked out.

I will say that due to geographical issues, no one should expect a team like SV to have as challenging a schedule as teams from central KY. It's one thing to have several top-notch teams within an hour's drive of your school, it's completely different when you are located in a rural county a good 3 hours away from the big-city schools. I don't think it's fair to compare SV's schedule with those of teams from central KY.

But, the schedule still could have, and should have, been better. If there was ever a year to beef up the schedule, this was it. Even more, I'm afraid that by choosing to mainly stay close to home, it has done Elisha Justice's Mr. Basketball candidacy a disservice. And that's a shame.

[letthebighogroot]

I do get on here a lot to defend Shelby Valley from some of the unnecessary criticism they receive. Like, for instance, comparing their program to once-in-a-generation cicadas.

But as I've said before, I will not attempt to defend their schedule. Playing Christian County was a good decision, as I was at that game and the atmosphere was very good for a regular-season contest. But they needed more of that. If another elite school offered a home-and-home series as mentioned in the above post, SV's staff should've jumped at it.

Also, like others have said, they should have been in a at least one of the big in-state tournaments, either the KOB or Republic Bank. They could have done that and still taken an out-of-state trip if they so desired. I know in the 07/08 season they played in Jeffersontown's tournament first, then turned around and went off to New York. So it could have been worked out.

I will say that due to geographical issues, no one should expect a team like SV to have as challenging a schedule as teams from central KY. It's one thing to have several top-notch teams within an hour's drive of your school, it's completely different when you are located in a rural county a good 3 hours away from the big-city schools. I don't think it's fair to compare SV's schedule with those of teams from central KY.

But, the schedule still could have, and should have, been better. If there was ever a year to beef up the schedule, this was it. Even more, I'm afraid that by choosing to mainly stay close to home, it has done Elisha Justice's Mr. Basketball candidacy a disservice. And that's a shame.

Thanks, you just made my point. As for my refrence to cicada's.......A 15th Region Title is a far cry from being a player on the State level, If you and the rest of Valley think different then thats on you. I asked a simple question,not a single Valley fan could give an answer. Instead they attacked me and talked about teams out of state, some (you included) went as far to suggest they were "geographically handicapped." Last time I checked, anywhere in Ky is closer than New York and/or Florida. And it's the same distance on a bus from Valley to Christian Co. as it is from Christian Co. to Valley. You and the rest of Valley's fans can hate on me all you want, I Simply asked a question, one that I'm still waiting on an answer for by the way. Is "geographically handicapped" the best excuse Valley has for not playing better in state teams?

[Coffee Can]

There schedule is why they always come up short in the sweet 16 IMO. That is why Elliott has always beat them on the states biggest stage.

[NYY10]

There schedule is why they always come up short in the sweet 16 IMO. That is why Elliott has always beat them on the states biggest stage.

just had to put that in their didn't you

[PC_You_Know]

There schedule is why they always come up short in the sweet 16 IMO. That is why Elliott has always beat them on the states biggest stage.

And yet still, Valley has 2 state championship titles and Elliott has ZERO.

[PC_You_Know]

Thanks, you just made my point. As for my refrence to cicada's.......A 15th Region Title is a far cry from being a player on the State level, If you and the rest of Valley think different then thats on you. I asked a simple question,not a single Valley fan could give an answer. Instead they attacked me and talked about teams out of state, some (you included) went as far to suggest they were "geographically handicapped." Last time I checked, anywhere in Ky is closer than New York and/or Florida. And it's the same distance on a bus from Valley to Christian Co. as it is from Christian Co. to Valley. You and the rest of Valley's fans can hate on me all you want, I Simply asked a question, one that I'm still waiting on an answer for by the way. Is "geographically handicapped" the best excuse Valley has for not playing better in state teams?

Like I've said before, Valley is going to play in an out of state tournament simply because some of the kids that play ball may never get to travel to a place like that again. But, I will not make an excuse as to why they never play in a big tournament in state.

[MiddlesboroAlumni]

Who woulda knew ole Letthebighogroot would have posted this?? :biggrin:

[PC_You_Know]

Who woulda knew ole Letthebighogroot would have posted this?? :biggrin:

Ahh, there's a few others on this site that I could think of who would start something like this.

[MiddlesboroAlumni]

Ahh, there's a few others on this site that I could think of who would start something like this.

Don't get on your moral high-ground, PC.

[PC_You_Know]

Don't get on your moral high-ground, PC.

Haha, yeah I guess it would be casual for me to have taken a shot right there.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Thanks, you just made my point. As for my refrence to cicada's.......A 15th Region Title is a far cry from being a player on the State level, If you and the rest of Valley think different then thats on you. I asked a simple question,not a single Valley fan could give an answer. Instead they attacked me and talked about teams out of state, some (you included) went as far to suggest they were "geographically handicapped." Last time I checked, anywhere in Ky is closer than New York and/or Florida. And it's the same distance on a bus from Valley to Christian Co. as it is from Christian Co. to Valley. You and the rest of Valley's fans can hate on me all you want, I Simply asked a question, one that I'm still waiting on an answer for by the way. Is "geographically handicapped" the best excuse Valley has for not playing better in state teams?

Dude you got some serious problems. How can you not get it through your think skull that you have to play a certain number of regional games and district games. If the area that the team is located (I don't care if it Lexington and all Lexington teams suck), has no other competition in the region there is NOTHING to change those games. Valley and to bring another high ranking school from recent times, Paintsville, got their tests from different touneys around the state and country. Did you rip Paintsville for having teams like South Charleston WV, Lexington Catholic, mixed in with the regional games like Betsy Lane, Pikeville, Prestonsburg. They still made it to the second round and was able to beat one of the best teams in the state in the first round (Jeffersontown).
Valley's schedule this year, is by some amazing conscience eerily similar to Paintsville's and I would still say Elliot from last year. BECAUSE OF THE REGION these teams are in, people say that it is a cupcake schedule. I believe that Valley has done a good job testing their team with big time games. The "All A" may not have been wall to wall elite competition but as you get down to the last 4 teams you have teams that will be competing for the region title. So to recap, unless you want to go back and call out EVERY strong team to come out of the eastern regions, you really should look at KHSAA.org and see what teams around the country they have played.
Hog you really make your self look ignorant.

[PC_You_Know]

Dude you got some serious problems. How can you not get it through your think skull that you have to play a certain number of regional games and district games. If the area that the team is located (I don't care if it Lexington and all Lexington teams suck), has no other competition in the region there is NOTHING to change those games. Valley and to bring another high ranking school from recent times, Paintsville, got their tests from different touneys around the state and country. Did you rip Paintsville for having teams like South Charleston WV, Lexington Catholic, mixed in with the regional games like Betsy Lane, Pikeville, Prestonsburg. They still made it to the second round and was able to beat one of the best teams in the state in the first round (Jeffersontown).
Valley's schedule this year, is by some amazing conscience eerily similar to Paintsville's and I would still say Elliot from last year. BECAUSE OF THE REGION these teams are in, people say that it is a cupcake schedule. I believe that Valley has done a good job testing their team with big time games. The "All A" may not have been wall to wall elite competition but as you get down to the last 4 teams you have teams that will be competing for the region title. So to recap, unless you want to go back and call out EVERY strong team to come out of the eastern regions, you really should look at KHSAA.org and see what teams around the country they have played.
Hog you really make your self look ignorant.

Nice to see a lil kick behind your posts every once in a while.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Nice to see a lil kick behind your posts every once in a while.

?? Does that mean I write short but to the point messages? :Thumbs:

[NYY10]

Dude you got some serious problems. How can you not get it through your think skull that you have to play a certain number of regional games and district games. If the area that the team is located (I don't care if it Lexington and all Lexington teams suck), has no other competition in the region there is NOTHING to change those games. Valley and to bring another high ranking school from recent times, Paintsville, got their tests from different touneys around the state and country. Did you rip Paintsville for having teams like South Charleston WV, Lexington Catholic, mixed in with the regional games like Betsy Lane, Pikeville, Prestonsburg. They still made it to the second round and was able to beat one of the best teams in the state in the first round (Jeffersontown).
Valley's schedule this year, is by some amazing conscience eerily similar to Paintsville's and I would still say Elliot from last year. BECAUSE OF THE REGION these teams are in, people say that it is a cupcake schedule. I believe that Valley has done a good job testing their team with big time games. The "All A" may not have been wall to wall elite competition but as you get down to the last 4 teams you have teams that will be competing for the region title. So to recap, unless you want to go back and call out EVERY strong team to come out of the eastern regions, you really should look at KHSAA.org and see what teams around the country they have played.
Hog you really make your self look ignorant.

Get him lol.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Get him lol.

Just expressing my opinion

[Coffee Can]

Dude you got some serious problems. How can you not get it through your think skull that you have to play a certain number of regional games and district games. If the area that the team is located (I don't care if it Lexington and all Lexington teams suck), has no other competition in the region there is NOTHING to change those games. Valley and to bring another high ranking school from recent times, Paintsville, got their tests from different touneys around the state and country. Did you rip Paintsville for having teams like South Charleston WV, Lexington Catholic, mixed in with the regional games like Betsy Lane, Pikeville, Prestonsburg. They still made it to the second round and was able to beat one of the best teams in the state in the first round (Jeffersontown).
Valley's schedule this year, is by some amazing conscience eerily similar to Paintsville's and I would still say Elliot from last year. BECAUSE OF THE REGION these teams are in, people say that it is a cupcake schedule. I believe that Valley has done a good job testing their team with big time games. The "All A" may not have been wall to wall elite competition but as you get down to the last 4 teams you have teams that will be competing for the region title. So to recap, unless you want to go back and call out EVERY strong team to come out of the eastern regions, you really should look at KHSAA.org and see what teams around the country they have played.
Hog you really make your self look ignorant.

You do not have to play a certain number of region games. You ony have to play the teams in your district. Unless you are in a conference you don't have to play anyone just because they are in your region. After you schedule your district games you only have to schedule teams that will get you ready for the type of play you will be facing in the post season.

[goodguy]

You do not have to play a certain number of region games. You ony have to play the teams in your district. Unless you are in a conference you don't have to play anyone just because they are in your region. After you schedule your district games you only have to schedule teams that will get you ready for the type of play you will be facing in the post season.

You are correct!

[Scotty doesn't know]

You do not have to play a certain number of region games. You ony have to play the teams in your district. Unless you are in a conference you don't have to play anyone just because they are in your region. After you schedule your district games you only have to schedule teams that will get you ready for the type of play you will be facing in the post season.

Where is that in writing. I am not saying you are incorrect but I would like to see it. Still I do not understand how a team can be looked at in a different manner for playing REGION games... It blows my mind. So if you are correct you only have to pay 4-6 region games a season (the 2-3 other teams in the district). If true, that is absolutely crazy.

[mister... basketball]

next year i dont think shelby valley will even be mentioned.
the 15th will b up for grabs.

[Scotty doesn't know]

next year i dont think shelby valley will even be mentioned.
the 15th will b up for grabs.

agreed.

[More Cowbell]

Thanks, you just made my point. As for my refrence to cicada's.......A 15th Region Title is a far cry from being a player on the State level, If you and the rest of Valley think different then thats on you. I asked a simple question,not a single Valley fan could give an answer. Instead they attacked me and talked about teams out of state, some (you included) went as far to suggest they were "geographically handicapped." Last time I checked, anywhere in Ky is closer than New York and/or Florida. And it's the same distance on a bus from Valley to Christian Co. as it is from Christian Co. to Valley. You and the rest of Valley's fans can hate on me all you want, I Simply asked a question, one that I'm still waiting on an answer for by the way. Is "geographically handicapped" the best excuse Valley has for not playing better in state teams?

First off, a 15th region title is a pretty big deal, since it guarantees you a berth in the Sweet Sixteen and a shot at a state title. Teams that don't win their region have NO chance at said title, so why don't you ask all the players on teams that lose in their region tourney if going to Rupp is a big deal or not? As for the cicada reference, I guess if you're referring to some new species of cicada that made an appearance in 5 of the last 8 years, then your analogy was accurate after all.

And where did "me included" say that SV was geographically handicapped? I never used that as an excuse, all I said was that due to their location, it's unreasonable to expect them to play as difficult a schedule as teams from the Louisville or Lexington areas. To play as many strong teams as a school like Trinity, they would have to be making 3-4 hour road trips the entire season. And if you think that they should (or could) have done that, then you're obviously living in dream land.

I already agreed that SV's schedule should have been more challenging. But I don't know why it's not, and I don't know why you think someone on here has the answer. If you really are dying to know, just hop in your car, drive down U.S. 23, go into Shelby Valley High School, and ask the athletics department yourself. Then get back on here and tell us what they said.