[Zmoney65]

I know that here in Lexington, steroids are not often talked about among high school athletes. The most ive heard of any athlete taking is creatine or a protein shake. I know for a fact dunbar does random drug test every month or so.

[Matman]

I know that here in Lexington, steroids are not often talked about among high school athletes. The most ive heard of any athlete taking is creatine or a protein shake. I know for a fact dunbar does random drug test every month or so.

I hate to break it to you but they are talked about quite a bit there in Lexington. Alot of the steroids in this area was brought from lexington. Just last year a resident of lexington was busted in EKY with the drugs trenbolone, testosterone ethenate, and dianabol. Not to mention other recreational drugs. They are just as easy to get there if not easier. Again a random drug test does not consist of a test/epi test.

[Faded Green]

Does the random test at Dunbar screen for steroids? Very few schools include the steroid test in their random drug tests because of the costs. Do not be naive about steroids among high schoolers. Coaches need to be the first line of defense for sudden increases in size and strength. Hopefully, there are no coaches that would put their head in the sand on this issue. I do not believe it to be a big problem at this time, but all need to be put on alert and keep it from becoming a bigger problem. I am from Central Ky and I know over the years, there has been usage at most of the area schools.

[Matman]

Does the random test at Dunbar screen for steroids? Very few schools include the steroid test in their random drug tests because of the costs. Do not be naive about steroids among high schoolers. Coaches need to be the first line of defense for sudden increases in size and strength. Hopefully, there are no coaches that would put their head in the sand on this issue. I do not believe it to be a big problem at this time, but all need to be put on alert and keep it from becoming a bigger problem. I am from Central Ky and I know over the years, there has been usage at most of the area schools.

I think it falls on proper education. Not exagerated horror stories. Its to easy for them to look at the facts and find flaws in exagerations. Also parents need to be involved. However strength and size gains are not a sign of steroid use in high school students. Their going through puberty and maturing. They build abnormal amounts of strength and size at this age anyways. I went from 250lb. bench press up to 365 in two years. 100lb of that came in a year. My body just matured. In my freshman class there were three steroid users. They came in their freshman year benching over 300lbs. But they weren't any stronger than me by our senior year. They matured faster due to the steroid use but damaged their bodies natural ability to produce testosterone.

[Faded Green]

Mat They do gain size and strength. Most high schoolers do not have big gains in the bench, you may have been an exception. If you are just starting out, sure you will make big gains, then those gains slow down. I am no expert, but I have been around weights for over forty years and have just a little knowledge about the subject. I have also been around the gyms, both private and school. You are right about parents being involved, as well as the coaches. I am just saying, stay on top the situation, it spreads even in small communities. When you see a bench press grow from 240 to 300 in a short period of time, yeah, it's abnormal growth alright. I think we are on the same page, just different experiences.

[Lone Oak Shocker]

When you see a bench press grow from 240 to 300 in a short period of time, yeah, it's abnormal growth alright.

I've been lifting for two and half years now, and in the period of months between August and January I have raised my bench from 220 to 290. No steroids or HGH, just whey and a bit of nitric oxide and glutemine mixed in there. Turned 16 years old in July.

Point: random bouts of growth occur in teenagers. My whole entire sophomore year saw only a 30 lb increase in bench.

[Faded Green]

Lone Oak Your gains are about right for a high school bencher. When I mentioned 240 to 300, I meant in a few weeks time. I was 42 years old before I benched 300 and now at 62, still about the same. Gains in benching, come a few pounds at a cycle (not steroid cycle), if lucky. Most benchers would take gains of 5-10 pounds a year, I know I would. Some people are just naturally strong, with good tendon strength. I was born to a 90 pound mother and my gains took time and effort. Good luck in your lifting.

[Lone Oak Shocker]

Oh, in a few weeks is a different story (though I've had 15 lbs in one week).

And thanks for the encouragement!

[HAT51]

Years ago, 200 lbs was a good max on the bench for a high school football player. Now there are several players that bench over 300.

[Matman]

Years ago, 200 lbs was a good max on the bench for a high school football player. Now there are several players that bench over 300.

I don't know about years ago. Maybe decades ago. However people do get stronger with every year. Better workouts and equipment. More science in the workout. Better nutrition and supplements to help people get what they aren't getting from their diet.

[Zmoney65]

Does the random test at Dunbar screen for steroids? Very few schools include the steroid test in their random drug tests because of the costs. Do not be naive about steroids among high schoolers. Coaches need to be the first line of defense for sudden increases in size and strength. Hopefully, there are no coaches that would put their head in the sand on this issue. I do not believe it to be a big problem at this time, but all need to be put on alert and keep it from becoming a bigger problem. I am from Central Ky and I know over the years, there has been usage at most of the area schools.

Knowing the dunbar administration, mainly anthony orr we most likely do include testing for steroids in our random drug tests

[Matman]

Knowing the dunbar administration, mainly anthony orr we most likely do include testing for steroids in our random drug tests

I don't know of any of the schools in lexington that test for steroids. Its alot of money. The random drug test they do are not test/epi test. I have worked and coached in lexington and they didn't do it a few years ago when i was there.

[monster_energy]

Are you talking about TREN. As in Extreme Tren and Tren Extreme (two different companies same basic compound). These are prohormones. A "steroid test" may or maynot show the use of such a compound depending on the individual. Its a Test/Epitest ratio. However if you are talking about Tren Ace or other ester than those are horrible for teenagers. Its used to make cattle put on weight and can be made very easily. I know both of these can be found easily in Martin County. I just hope some high school kid isn't studpid enough to take the steroid "tren". The prohormone can be bad enough at that age the steroid will completely shut down your system.

yes i am talking about tren and i have seen players take both kinds you are talking about. but the bad thing about all this is the parents and some of the coaches knows about this going on and does nothing about it. its not the kids going out and sneaking and buying this, its the parents ordering it for them!! i mean come on i know you want your kid to be the best player in the world but you shouldnt buy them certain things that will hurt them in the long run. i know of one coach personally that knows about this Tren thing going around and i watched him watch certain boys take this and not say a word. i am not saying no names because theres no reason for it. but it goes around in the martin county athletic system and i dont see nobody trying to put a stop to it!! i guess winning is more important then this young kids health. :flush:

[cooperjags]

I think at a high school level steroids would probably be more noticeable in a persons performance. People can differentiate between real talent and someone whose just benching 300 lbs+...

[Matman]

yes i am talking about tren and i have seen players take both kinds you are talking about. but the bad thing about all this is the parents and some of the coaches knows about this going on and does nothing about it. its not the kids going out and sneaking and buying this, its the parents ordering it for them!! i mean come on i know you want your kid to be the best player in the world but you shouldnt buy them certain things that will hurt them in the long run. i know of one coach personally that knows about this Tren thing going around and i watched him watch certain boys take this and not say a word. i am not saying no names because theres no reason for it. but it goes around in the martin county athletic system and i dont see nobody trying to put a stop to it!! i guess winning is more important then this young kids health. :flush:

Not alot you can do about legal supplements being used. Tren was legal and is now available on the grey market. The best thing they can do i educate the kids about it and discourage its use. However if you have seen kids using the anabolic steroid tren then you should report it. Its hard not to say something to a kid sticking a needle in their thigh.