[RedSeal]

I just want to know everyones opinion, Do you think High School athletes should be tested for steriods cause i know for fact some school have athletes that take steroids

[BlackcatAlum]

Student athletes are randomly drug tested during the school year and steriods would show up in a test.

[LClion4life]

Not all schools perform these random drug tests, I know for a fact Lewis Co and Greenup Co do not.

[Hilbily]

We where randomly tested at my highschool over ten years ago. While serving my country i was chosen to administer the testing for my platoon. What i know from that is basic testing does not include steroid testing! It is more expensive and not practical unless there is an obvious show cause for the test. Thus i would bet my horse that highschool teams do not test for steroids! I do however know that it is a problem though usually an isolated one. Steroids cost money and highschool players do not in most cases have the cash,know how or connections to get them. I know of a couple highschool atheletes during my time that used them and both had behavioral problems. One young man in fact is now deceased. The drug use led him to other things and it was over way too soon. At all cost they should be avoided because you are hurting yourself in the long run.

[DALE]

I disagree with you blackcat. A random drug test and a steroid test are two different things. Back when I was playing sports in college the roid heads always passed their drug tests, the pot smokers didn't. A steroid test has a totally different make up than your basic illicit drug test, hair test, or urine test. Recently, a state that implemented a steroid testing program for its high school athletes decided to abolish the program due to its costs. A professional administering a steroid test runs anywhere from $200-300 per individual, compared to a random drug test at a local clinic that runs $20. Even a personal steroid test, the cheapest one online I could find just for sake of my defense was $150 dollars.(http://www.testcountry.com/categories.html?cat=350 )I know that these drug testing centers such as the one located at Highlands Hospital do not detect steroids. A friend of mine was on the sauce when he had to take a test to get work in the mine, he passed because steroids were all that he did. Depending on the ester or half life of a steroid, it can be detected in your system up to 18 months.

Now do I think steroids should be tested in all high school athlets. No. High school is an awkward time for kids growing up, I mean I went from 5'1 110 my 9th grade year to 5'10 165 my soph. year due to my growth spurt. I believe that testing for roids should be a decision based primarily by the coaching staff. They know these kids capabilities better than anyone. If a kid is putting up huge numbers all of a sudden, showing signs of common sides such as acne, mood swings, depression, hair loss, or even nipple sensitivity then the coach should test that kid, not eveyone.

[Stardust]

I disagree with you blackcat. A random drug test and a steroid test are two different things. Back when I was playing sports in college the roid heads always passed their drug tests, the pot smokers didn't. A steroid test has a totally different make up than your basic illicit drug test, hair test, or urine test. Recently, a state that implemented a steroid testing program for its high school athletes decided to abolish the program due to its costs. A professional administering a steroid test runs anywhere from $200-300 per individual, compared to a random drug test at a local clinic that runs $20. Even a personal steroid test, the cheapest one online I could find just for sake of my defense was $150 dollars.(http://www.testcountry.com/categories.html?cat=350 )I know that these drug testing centers such as the one located at Highlands Hospital do not detect steroids. A friend of mine was on the sauce when he had to take a test to get work in the mine, he passed because steroids were all that he did. Depending on the ester or half life of a steroid, it can be detected in your system up to 18 months.

Now do I think steroids should be tested in all high school athlets. No. High school is an awkward time for kids growing up, I mean I went from 5'1 110 my 9th grade year to 5'10 165 my soph. year due to my growth spurt. I believe that testing for roids should be a decision based primarily by the coaching staff. They know these kids capabilities better than anyone. If a kid is putting up huge numbers all of a sudden, showing signs of common sides such as acne, mood swings, depression, hair loss, or even nipple sensitivity then the coach should test that kid, not eveyone.

Good post Dale:Thumbs:

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

PHS tests for steroids. I think JC does to other than that i do not know.

[Matman]

If you want to know how steroid testing would work in high schools just look at Texas. They implemented a program a few years ago and spent a fortune. They had very little results. The fact is there are drugs out there right now that can not be tested for. HGH, Insulin, IGF1 are all drugs (peptides and hormones) used by athletes that can not be tested for. Also "steroid testing" test hormone ratios usually. Some kids do have high test levels and not be on steroids. The test are not accurate. I think they look for a 6 to 1 ratio of test to epi test and that means some faster acting lower dose testosterones won't even show up.

But I do not know of any High Schools in EKY that do the test. Its a hugh waste of money. The random drug test do not include steroid testing. Several BOEs have looked into it and voted it down when they seen the cost.

[Musketeer]

i think high Schools should have a policy for testing athletes for steroids. Perhaps just the threat of random testing would deter some players from using or even deter some coaches from suggesting its use. So many kids think if I just use it one time (or one cycle) nothing will happen to me. More education needs to be given to athletes about the negative effects of steroids.

[Matman]

i think high Schools should have a policy for testing athletes for steroids. Perhaps just the threat of random testing would deter some players from using or even deter some coaches from suggesting its use. So many kids think if I just use it one time (or one cycle) nothing will happen to me. More education needs to be given to athletes about the negative effects of steroids.

But who will pay for it. Your talking about millions of dollars. The education has failed in the past due to scare tactics and exagerations. The truth is that there isn't much scientific data on steroid use.

[Matman]

http://sify.com/finance/texas-lawmakers-...iibgb.html
http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/?p=1018

Theres more problems with steroid testing as well. There are different types of steroids and one test doesn't pick them all up. Some just test for testosterone and not synthetic designer products. Also they don't test year round. If you know anything about the drug you would know most people use it in the off season. Some compounds cause negative effects on performance so they would be used in times such as summer.

[OrangenowBlue]

People on steroids is like some people on welfare, they don't want to work for it, they want the easy way out.

[Can you dig it?]

People on steroids is like some people on welfare, they don't want to work for it, they want the easy way out.

:Thumbs::rockon:

[Pbranche]

Yeah i think they should. Athletes taking steriods at such a young age can have major affects later. AthleteAccount.com wrote an article about that.

[GRIFFIN]

People on steroids is like some people on welfare, they don't want to work for it, they want the easy way out.

:Clap:

[Stardust]

People on steroids is like some people on welfare, they don't want to work for it, they want the easy way out.

Well said

[NEWARKCATHOLICFAN]

Yes.

[LeeCoUKFan]

I think that it should be enforced from personal experience, when i played high school football there were several players that took steroids! It was kinda out of control because one of our Linebackers took steroids and it's like the made him crazy because there were several times when he tried to pick fights with opposing players during and after games and with opposing fans during halftime!! I do realize that the cost of testing is extremely expensive thats why i think they should enforce it state wide but let the testing be done by the coaching staff or the team athletic trainer that way they can do selective testing on the ones where they have reason to believe that they're taking steroids!

[Football1]

I believe steriods are a terrible problem here in the moutains. I played college football and saw the amazing results men could get using them. I was tempted many times but frankly (sad to admit) could not afford them. The fastest, stongest, players on our team were ALL users. Jose Conseco's book "Juiced" is a great read for anyone interested in the topic. He contends when used correctly they are safe and effective. And the truth is, the guys I knew who used them in college are fine today; smaller, weaker, now that they are off them - but at least today they are fine. That is not to say when they are 50they will be though.

Still - steriods are cheating plain and simple. And while some may get away with using them without obvious harmful effects; the news is littered with the stories of many whose lives have been destroyed by these drugs. Sounds like testing is costly and inaccurate from what has been posted here.

That brings to light a fundamental truth that gets overlooked so often: the job of a coach is more than winning. Most coaches would know if a player was making the kind of fast gains that only come from steriods. They have a moral and ethical responsiblity to stop that player from participating on their team while they are using. But I have never seen that happen.

[lean&mean]

I believe that testing for roids should be a decision based primarily by the coaching staff. They know these kids capabilities better than anyone. If a kid is putting up huge numbers all of a sudden, showing signs of common sides such as acne, mood swings, depression, hair loss, or even nipple sensitivity then the coach should test that kid, not eveyone.

Dale, I agree with 99.9% of what you have said, but, what if the coaches are the ones supplying the student athletes. I know that sounds sad but is true. On a lighter note, how would anyone know if someone has nipple sensitivity?

[Football1]

Here is an idea that will NEVER be supported but it would work and would save money. Test every player on the All State team. This is a very limited number of athletes to have to test and it would serve as a warning to every player that if you achieve great results you will be tested. So why use?

Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut... LOL.

[School Admin.]

I believe that testing for roids should be a decision based primarily by the coaching staff. They know these kids capabilities better than anyone. If a kid is putting up huge numbers all of a sudden, showing signs of common sides such as acne, mood swings, depression, hair loss, or even nipple sensitivity then the coach should test that kid, not eveyone.

Dale, I agree with 99.9% of what you have said, but, what if the coaches are the ones supplying the student athletes. I know that sounds sad but is true. On a lighter note, how would anyone know if someone has nipple sensitivity?

If a Coach is providing anabolic steroids to his team, the legal liability to the Coach, School, and School District would be STAGGERING! I hope to God's sake that no one is doing that! As far as nipple sensitvity, that is a sign of gyno, which can be pretty wicked to deal with.

[Matman]

I believe that testing for roids should be a decision based primarily by the coaching staff. They know these kids capabilities better than anyone. If a kid is putting up huge numbers all of a sudden, showing signs of common sides such as acne, mood swings, depression, hair loss, or even nipple sensitivity then the coach should test that kid, not eveyone.

Dale, I agree with 99.9% of what you have said, but, what if the coaches are the ones supplying the student athletes. I know that sounds sad but is true. On a lighter note, how would anyone know if someone has nipple sensitivity?

Don't believe everything you have read on steroids. I know alot of teenagers with the symptoms you mentioned. Its called puberty. However i know plenty of guys who do take steroids and don't have any of the side effects you mentioned. I played college ball with quite a few users. I also compete in powerlifting and theres alot of users there as well. When i was in Germany alot of the locals bought, sold and used steroids and never had any of the symptoms. If your going to test it has to be random.

[BluegrassBuckeye]

Absolutely Not!

[Football1]

Thoughts on testing those who are awarded All State?

[BluegrassBuckeye]

Thoughts on testing those who are awarded All State?

Assuming the kid is under 18, the decision to test should belong to the parents. If the kid is caught in possession of, using, or distributing steroids; he should be reported to the police. At some point, he may be compelled by a judge to submit to testing.

[charlie22]

Here is an idea that will NEVER be supported but it would work and would save money. Test every player on the All State team. This is a very limited number of athletes to have to test and it would serve as a warning to every player that if you achieve great results you will be tested. So why use?

Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut... LOL.

I believe there are certain states that random test the teams playing in the championship games. I like the idea. Sure would make the coaches look for it throughout the year. It would be a bad situation if the day before the championship game, you were notified that your stud RB was going to have to miss the state game due to popping positive for Roids.

[Matman]

I believe there are certain states that random test the teams playing in the championship games. I like the idea. Sure would make the coaches look for it throughout the year. It would be a bad situation if the day before the championship game, you were notified that your stud RB was going to have to miss the state game due to popping positive for Roids.

I think this brings up another point. If you have a kid test positive before the championship game then shouldn't it be ruled like playing an ineligible player. Then the teams would have to forfeit the entire season.

[charlie22]

I think this brings up another point. If you have a kid test positive before the championship game then shouldn't it be ruled like playing an ineligible player. Then the teams would have to forfeit the entire season.

If I recall what I read properly, the states that did the pre championship games testing, only made the kid ineligible for the state game. They did not require the team to forfeit every game he played in. Since those states did not do the testing earlier in the year, I guess they felt it would be inappropriate to have the entire season forfeited.

I understand your position, but I assume those states don't want to deal with the likely hue and cry that would follow if the entire season was wiped out.

[Matman]

If I recall what I read properly, the states that did the pre championship games testing, only made the kid ineligible for the state game. They did not require the team to forfeit every game he played in. Since those states did not do the testing earlier in the year, I guess they felt it would be inappropriate to have the entire season forfeited.

I understand your position, but I assume those states don't want to deal with the likely hue and cry that would follow if the entire season was wiped out.

But if the kid used steroids to win the games then why should they get to keep the wins. Steroids are used more in the off season than during the season. Some drugs such as Deca can benifit a user during the season due to the effects on tendons and preventing injuries. However the more used Dianabol would decrease arobic capacity. So why test only in the season. And why let teams keep wins that are obtained illegally.