[Matman]

I never said there weren't Cincy kids who come to NKY to play. I simply stated that it was a much smaller number than you'e trying to portray with your supposed "facts."



So now because they're poverty stricken schools, they don't have good programs? I beg to differ. Look at Bellevue and Holmes this past year. Bellevue is currently in the 1A region finals and Holmes just finished their season 9-3. Holmes also won the state championship this past year in basketball. Don't tell me these schools don't have motivated athletes like a Highlands, St. X, or Trinity.

I find it hilarious that you folks use this argument for football, but not for basketball or baseball.



I never once said that mountain schools didn't have success against the other schools around the state. I simply implied that overall eky/mountain teams have historically struggled against teams from nky.

If it wasn't for Highlands EKY would have a few more state championships. So i don't think EKY schools struggle with the might NKY teams. But Highlands has ended quite a few seasons for us. Thats respectable to me. They are one of the top football programs in the state if not the top. However i always loved Wrestling NKY teams and Lexington teams for that matter. They didn't seem to have the same fight in them. You go against these hillbillies here in EKY and WV and you know your in a fight.

[Hatz]

If it wasn't for Highlands EKY would have a few more state championships. So i don't think EKY schools struggle with the might NKY teams. But Highlands has ended quite a few seasons for us. Thats respectable to me. They are one of the top football programs in the state if not the top. However i always loved Wrestling NKY teams and Lexington teams for that matter. They didn't seem to have the same fight in them. You go against these hillbillies here in EKY and WV and you know your in a fight.

You do realize that the first two sentences are a contradiction, don't you?

As I've posted many times before, the notion that School A has kept us from winning a lot more state titles is a terrible excuse. It means that School A, who is in the same class with me, has beaten me and proven they are the best team. Therefore I am not "entitled" to anymore state titles than those I have earned. :please:

Rockastle might have 2 state titles if not for Boyle.

Hopkinsville might have 2 state titles if not for Boyle.

Mayfield could very well have 4 more if not for Danville.

NCC could have 2 more if not for the Ads.

Get my drift?

[Matman]

You do realize that the first two sentences are a contradiction, don't you?

As I've posted many times before, the notion that School A has kept us from winning a lot more state titles is a terrible excuse. It means that School A, who is in the same class with me, has beaten me and proven they are the best team. Therefore I am not "entitled" to anymore state titles than those I have earned. :please:

Rockastle might have 2 state titles if not for Boyle.

Hopkinsville might have 2 state titles if not for Boyle.

Mayfield could very well have 4 more if not for Danville.

NCC could have 2 more if not for the Ads.

Get my drift?

No they are not contradicting. I'm saying that NKY schools in general are not any better than EKY schools. However Highlands is better than any school in Ky outside of Trinity every year. That means that they are the exception. Outside of them i do not believe NKY schools are that great.

[64black&gold]

Highlands also benefits from open enrollment which is an advantage. Lexingtons schools do not.

[Blau Vogel]

Highlands also benefits from open enrollment which is an advantage. Lexingtons schools do not.

They do NOT have open enrollment. They are an independent city school district like dozens of others in Kentucky. The school district will allow tuition students (paying their own way) but the last football player that I remember doing this graduated about 10 years ago. He attended Highlands because the school system he went K-8 through, did not have a high school football team.

[Can you dig it?]

Don't forget Newport Central Catholic. They've won a few. Boone County has one too, I think.

No, Boone has never won.
To the best of my recollection, the NKY schools who have won titles are Highlands, Beechwood, CovCath, Conner, Lloyd, Bellevue, Dayton, NewCath and Ludlow. If I've forgotten someone, my apologies.

[MayfieldCardinal]

Mountains football take note on how it is done, look to the west this year baby, the finals is a who's who of WKY football

[Cat Daddy]

We have a winner :1::champ::ilikeit:

I agree, East Kentucky Football in general is all about pride and love for the game and the area you reside in. I am proud to be from the mountains and every kid in East Kentucky who puts on their school jersey is not only playing for their school but they are playing for their mountain heritage.

[Blau Vogel]

I agree, East Kentucky Football in general is all about pride and love for the game and the area you reside in. I am proud to be from the mountains and every kid in East Kentucky who puts on their school jersey is not only playing for their school but they are playing for their mountain heritage.

I understand the pride, love and heritage. But as long as that is your focus, your teams will be staying home after the regionals. The last time I looked, no state championship trophy is awarded to the best anything in the mountains. I know the top teams outside of the mountains are proud to be their areas best, but they could care less about that come playoff time.

After a simple search, I found these threads:

MOUNTAIN Football and State Titles
Who should get Coach of the Year in the MOUNTAINS?
Best team in the MOUNTAINS?
Top 10 5th and 6th grade teams in the MOUNTAINS (Are you kidding me?)
Who has the best 3rd & 4th team in the MOUNTAINS
Best Backfield in the MOUNTAINS
Top Five Football Programs in East Kentucky (Close, just missing the word)
The Hottest Teams in the MOUNTAINS
Top Receivers in the MOUNTAINS?
Who are Some of the Best Running Backs in the MOUNTAINS?
Who are Some of the Best Signal Callers in the MOUNTAINS?
Best Team in MOUNTAINS 2009
Top 10 QB's in the MOUNTAINS
Top 10 Players in the MOUNTAINS
Great Linemen in the MOUNTAINS
All-Time Team from MOUNTAINS
Best DB in the MOUNTAINS?
Top Ten Coaches from the MOUNTAINS
Who Is The Greatest Team Ever In The MOUNTAINS?
Best Wide Reciever in the MOUNTAINS next year!

There are many, many more of them.

This is a great thread. Which Mountain teams will make it to Bowling Green? It is all that really matters.

If your heads are in the MOUNTAINS during the year, your butts will be in the MOUNTAINS come late November and early December.

[Hatz]

I understand the pride, love and heritage. But as long as that is your focus, your teams will be staying home after the regionals. The last time I looked, no state championship trophy is awarded to the best anything in the mountains. I know the top teams outside of the mountains are proud to be their areas best, but they could care less about that come playoff time.

After a simple search, I found these threads:

MOUNTAINS Football and State Titles
Who should get Coach of the Year in the MOUNTAINS?
Best team in the MOUNTAINS?
Top 10 5th and 6th grade teams in the MOUNTAINS (Are you kidding me?
Who has the best 3rd & 4th team in the MOUNTAINS
Best Backfield in the MOUNTAINS
Top Five Football Programs in East Kentucky (Close, just missing the word)
The Hottest Teams in the MOUNTAINS
Top Receivers in the MOUNTAINS?
Who are Some of the Best Running Backs in the MOUNTAINS?
Who are Some of the Best Signal Callers in the MOUNTAINS?
Best Team in MOUNTAINS 2009
Top 10 QB's in the MOUNTAINS
Top 10 Players in the MOUNTAINS
Great Linemen in the MOUNTAINS
All-Time Team from MOUNTAINS
Best DB in the MOUNTAINS?
Top Ten Coaches from the MOUNTAINS
Who Is The Greatest Team Ever In The MOUNTAINS?
Best Wide Reciever in the MOUNTAINS next year!

There are many, many more of them.

This is a great thread. It is all that really matters. Which Mountain teams will make it to Bowling Green?

If your heads are in the MOUNTAINS during the year, your butts will be in the MOUNTAINS come late November and early December.

I think you've stumbled across one of the main reasons I started this thread. I've never seen this kind of regionalism in the other parts of the state. The term "Mountains" is used and I even find some define and redefine those boundaries to suit their purpose. Once I was told Ashland and Russell weren't Mountain teams and then told another time they were. Somerset is a Mountain team because they're in some TV coverage area but let's get real, I haven't seen anything other than a lake community with Somerset which is far from the typical idea of "Mountain football."

I just think the focus is so much on Regional accomplishment because statewide accomplishment (except for a few programs) is limited at the least.

[Cat Daddy]

I think you've stumbled across one of the main reasons I started this thread. I've never seen this kind of regionalism in the other parts of the state. The term "Mountains" is used and I even find some define and redefine those boundaries to suit their purpose. Once I was told Ashland and Russell weren't Mountain teams and then told another time they were. Somerset is a Mountain team because they're in some TV coverage area but let's get real, I haven't seen anything other than a lake community with Somerset which is far from the typical idea of "Mountain football."

I just think the focus is so much on Regional accomplishment because statewide accomplishment (except for a few programs) is limited at the least.

Regional accomplishments, Please. If I do recall Breathitt, Bell, Belfry, Pikeville, Ashland, and Corbin have two or more state championships.

[padd4pirate]

If you don't understand football in eastern kentucky go to a game on friday night. Take the trip to pond creek, and watch the pirates run smashmouth football, or go to log mountain, or really any of the great venue's. I have seen football in the rest of the state the crowds are bigger but they aren't as crazy and passionate. Plus the allure of a team full of country boys beating the teams from the big cities (which is where the vast majority of these state championships the other areas have come from) Unites the mountain folk. Look at it this way Paintsville and johnson Central are huge rivals But if central brings in someone from out of the mountains and we dont have a home game, you will see a huge amount of tiger fans there to support the eagles. The saying around here goes "We hate each other, But we hate everybody else a whole lot more"

Great post:Thumbs:

[Hatz]

Regional accomplishments, Please. If I do recall Breathitt, Bell, Belfry, Pikeville, Ashland, and Corbin have two or more state championships.

In the last 50 years of playoff competition in KHSAA:

Breathitt: 3 Titles
Bell: 2 Titles
Belfry: 2 Titles
Pikeville: 3 Titles
Ashland: 1 title (BTW, I thought Ashland wasn't the Mountains if Russell isn't?)
Corbin: 3 Titles

Over 50 years.

Central Kentucky alone as Region surpasses that:

Boyle: 5 Titles
Danville: 10 Titles
Henry Clay: 1 Title
Tates Creek: 1 Title
George Rogers Clark: 1 Title
Mercer: 1 Title
Paris: 2 Titles

I would say CKY might be the weakest region in state titles (Unless you stretch it out to say Bardstown). Yet those schools have posted more State Crowns (21) than the Mountain Region (14) and with more schools involved.

I don't see threads stating: Whose the best in Central KY? Top 10 teams of the decade in CKY.

That's my point.

[Mr.Kimball]

In the last 50 years of playoff competition in KHSAA:

Breathitt: 3 Titles
Bell: 2 Titles
Belfry: 2 Titles
Pikeville: 3 Titles
Ashland: 1 title (BTW, I thought Ashland wasn't the Mountains if Russell isn't?)
Corbin: 3 Titles

Over 50 years.

Central Kentucky alone as Region surpasses that:

Boyle: 5 Titles
Danville: 10 Titles
Henry Clay: 1 Title
Tates Creek: 1 Title
George Rogers Clark: 1 Title
Mercer: 1 Title
Paris: 2 Titles

I would say CKY might be the weakest region in state titles (Unless you stretch it out to say Bardstown). Yet those schools have posted more State Crowns (21) than the Mountain Region (14) and with more schools involved.

I don't see threads stating: Whose the best in Central KY? Top 10 teams of the decade in CKY.

That's my point.

Take the teams that come from out of Boyle Co. out of the equation and it gets pretty thin, huh? If my math is right , I come up with a total of 6.

[King Leonidas]

It would be hard to not put the 2002 Breathitt team first with all the numbers they put up.

[64black&gold]

In the last 50 years of playoff competition in KHSAA:

Breathitt: 3 Titles
Bell: 2 Titles
Belfry: 2 Titles
Pikeville: 3 Titles
Ashland: 1 title (BTW, I thought Ashland wasn't the Mountains if Russell isn't?)
Corbin: 3 Titles

Over 50 years.

Central Kentucky alone as Region surpasses that:

Boyle: 5 Titles
Danville: 10 Titles
Henry Clay: 1 Title
Tates Creek: 1 Title
George Rogers Clark: 1 Title
Mercer: 1 Title
Paris: 2 Titles

I would say CKY might be the weakest region in state titles (Unless you stretch it out to say Bardstown). Yet those schools have posted more State Crowns (21) than the Mountain Region (14) and with more schools involved.

I don't see threads stating: Whose the best in Central KY? Top 10 teams of the decade in CKY.

That's my point.

Doesn't LexCath have two also, Hatz?

[easyM]

In the last 50 years of playoff competition in KHSAA:

Breathitt: 3 Titles
Bell: 2 Titles
Belfry: 2 Titles
Pikeville: 3 Titles
Ashland: 1 title (BTW, I thought Ashland wasn't the Mountains if Russell isn't?)
Corbin: 3 Titles

Over 50 years.

Central Kentucky alone as Region surpasses that:

Boyle: 5 Titles
Danville: 10 Titles
Henry Clay: 1 Title
Tates Creek: 1 Title
George Rogers Clark: 1 Title
Mercer: 1 Title
Paris: 2 Titles

I would say CKY might be the weakest region in state titles (Unless you stretch it out to say Bardstown). Yet those schools have posted more State Crowns (21) than the Mountain Region (14) and with more schools involved.

I don't see threads stating: Whose the best in Central KY? Top 10 teams of the decade in CKY.

That's my point.

Please start one.........

[Hatz]

Please start one.........

I prefer to take the time and energy talking about statewide accomplishments rather than mythical geographical boundaries. :Thumbs:

[Hatz]

Doesn't LexCath have two also, Hatz?

I can't believe I forgot those. :eyeroll:

[Hatz]

Take the teams that come from out of Boyle Co. out of the equation and it gets pretty thin, huh? If my math is right , I come up with a total of 6.

And if you take the five out of Pike County what do you have?

What good does it do? Do we punish the programs that have won them because they're in the same county?

Danville won theirs from 1962 to 2003. That's a pretty spread out margin.

Why not take out the one's that are one in a string?

So eliminate Boyle's 5 straight.

Oh, so then we would need to take out Pikeville's 3 straight, Belfry's 2 straight and Corbin won all three from '76 to '82. That's a short time and haven't won it since.

:please:


BTW, I forgot Middlesboro who has 1 I think.

Add Lex Cath and that gives CKY 23.

[easyM]

I prefer to take the time and energy talking about statewide accomplishments rather than mythical geographical boundaries. :Thumbs:

yep

[BluegrassBuckeye]

Well, one things for sure; it's gonna be mighty slim pickins in the mountains this year. Those bumps on the ground around Somerset are good sized hills but I wouldn't call them mountains.

[cougarpride08]

To me it is preparation. How are teams in the eastern part of the state? So what are they doing as far as middle school, off the season workouts. What seriousness are they really taken going into off season workouts?

[johnnyt]

I prefer to take the time and energy talking about statewide accomplishments rather than mythical geographical boundaries. :Thumbs:

right now their could be a thread on rival.com or some other national high school football board laughing at this whole website wondering why in the world are we arguing over who will be the champions for the state of kentucky.

its all a matter of perspective.

[the watcher]

I did a little research and here's what i've come up with on the subject of mountain teams and state titles.... and offical state title didn't start till 1975 but records of champions date a few years before that
I could be wrong about this school, lynch east main, but i think i was told at one point that before they consolidated they would be a mountain team, and of course i dont know everything about every school in such that im going to list so please feel free to call me out on things i am wrong about or if i inculde someone who isnt a mountain team, and I am going to list the years a mountain team have won without who they played just because this would take forever and a coons age to type if i didnt, but I will put the years mountains teams have been runner-up at state and who they were beaten by and the score

1A
1955 Pikeville
1959 Lynch East Main
1960 Lynch East Main
1961 Murray vs. Lynch East Main 14-13
1962 Versailes vs. Lynch East Main 21-0
1963 Lynch East Main
1964 Elkhorn City
1968 Lynch East Main
1970 Bardstown vs. Lynch East Main 13-6
1971 Trigg Co. vs. Lynch East Main 30-23
1972 Trigg Co. vs. Pikeville 22-0
1973 Paris vs. Elkhorn City 21-12
1978 Fort Campbell vs. Paintsville 15-13
1983 Russellville vs. Cumberland 42-13
1985 Crittenden Co. vs Paintsville 14-6
1986 Heath vs. Cumberland 27-12
1987 Pikeville
1988 Pikeville
1989 Pikeville
1991 Beechwood vs. Pikeville 34-6
1998 Middlesboro
2008 Beechwood vs. Hazard 14-7

2A
1962 Danville vs. Corbin 13-6
1967 Ashland
1972 Tates Creek vs. Ashland 16-7
1973 Paducah Tilghman vs. Boyd Co. 27-8
1974 Owensboro vs. Middlesboro 14-7
1975 Scott Co. vs. Middlesboro 22-20
1976 Corbin
1977 Mayfield vs. Corbin 14-13
1978 Mayfield vs. Somerset 22-6
1979 Fort Campbell vs. Pikeville 26-0
1980 Corbin
1981 Bardstown vs. Somerset 20-6
1982 Corbin
1983 Fort Knox vs. Somerset 19-14
1988 Fort Knox vs. Somerset 45-21
1990 Fort Knox vs. Corbin 21-7
1993 Mayfield vs. Prestonsburg 13-12
1995 Breathitt Co
1996 Breathitt Co
2001 Bardstown vs. Prestonsburg 47-16
2002 Breathitt Co
2003 Belfry
2004 Belfry
2005 Russel
2006 Mercer Co. vs Russel 15-12

3A
1964 Male Vs. Eastern 27-0 (BTW I know nothing of Eastern, not even where there at, I just assumed with a school name like that they should be in the mountains but im proably wrong, please tell me if i am and disregard any years with them in the championship)
1978 Russell
1979 Franklin-Simpson vs. Belfry 33-0
1985 Paducah Tilghman vs. Belfry 29-14
1986 Owensboro vs. Belfry 14-0
1990 Ashland
1991 Bell Co
2001 Boyle Co. vs Rockcastle Co. 49-14
2002 Boyle Co. vs. Rockcastle Co. 21-0
2007 Central vs. Belfry 27-17
2008 Central vs. Breathitt Co. 40-19

4A
1975 St.X vs Ashland 20-0
1977 Trinity vs. Greenup Co. 28-7
2008 Bell Co

So, all in all, 1A has 10 titles total and 12 runner ups, 6 of those titles being mythical and 7 of those runner ups being mythical as well
2A has 10 titles, 15 runner ups, 1 of those titles being mythical and 4 being mythical runner ups
3A has 3 titles and 8 runner ups, 1 of those runner ups being mythical
4A has 1 title and 2 runner ups, none being mythical

and again, if I listed any teams that don't belong or i have anything wrong please feel free to point it out

[Blau Vogel]

They playoff system started in 1959. This is the 50th year of REAL champions.

[the watcher]

Well that being the case and us being allowed to count years before 1975 the mountains have 24 titles and 35 runner ups

[Hatz]

Well that being the case and us being allowed to count years before 1975 the mountains have 24 titles and 35 runner ups

The playoffs began in 1959. There were 3 classes. I think where you are getting the '75 date is that was when they went to 4 classes. :Thumbs:

So the only "mythical" champions were prior to 1959. Hence I used the mark of "50 years."

BTW, Eastern is Louisville Eastern.

[Hatz]

Using the broad interpretation you did with Russell and Ashland, I will expand the CKY boundary just a little to include Bardstown which IMO is nowhere near the stretch you make on NEKY but allow some latitude please.

Class A Titles (Appearances years in bold)

Danville '00,'01, '03 ('04, '06)
Bardstown '67, '70 ('92, '93)
Versailles '62
My Old KY Home ('65)
Frankfort ('68, '77)
Richmond Madison ('79)
Harrodsburg ('88, '96,'97)
Paris '73, '81, '82 ('84)

Class AA titles

Danville '62, '87, '89, '91, '92, '94 ('98)
Boyle '99, '00
Lafayette ('60)
Richmond Madison ('64)
Bryan Station '71 ('69)
Tates Creek '72
Scott County '75
Bardstown '81, '01
Bourbon County '97
Mercer County '06


Class AAA Titles

Danville '84
Boyle '01, '02, '03 ('04)
Lincoln County ('90, '93)
Lex Cath '05


Class AAAA Titles

Tates Creek ('78)
Henry Clay '81 ('79)
Bryan Station ('99)
Lafayette ('85)
Nelson County '96
Paul Dunbar ('96)
Scott County ('06)
Lex Cath '07


Class AAAAA Titles

0


Class AAAAAA titles

0



29 State Titles and 25 Runner-up appearances.

Not counting any non-playoff, mythical titles and keeping a firm compass on a much small geographic region, there you go.

What would be interesting is to see how many geographic miles one area is claiming and the number of miles I'm using as a measure for CKY. FWIW, every team above except for a couple of the Lex Schools (BS, TC, L) and Bardstown were at one time or another in the old CKC (Central Kentucky Conference) which I might add also included Somerset. :Thumbs:

[Blau Vogel]

In Campbell County

2 - 4 Bellevue
1 - 0 Dayton
18 - 5 Highlands
3 - 6 Newport Central Catholic

24 - 15