[dejavu]

Justice did good tonight but Cottrill did better and he is better. He will be a much better college player then Justice. Justice is fast as they get but he is real short and in college he isn't going to get the help from the refs like he did tonight lol The kid shot atleast 20 free throws. In college he is going to have to get past kids just as fast as he is who will prolly be bigger too and even if he does get past the guy guarding him theres no way he will be able to finish against the 6'10 guys playing down low. I fope does do well in college because its always great to see a kid from eastern kentucky do good at the college level in sports but I just don't see it happening. He should have went to a mid major school like eastern of morehead st.

Cottrill shot a lot more free throws than Justice. Justice has better court vision and pace of game and composure than Cottrill. Cottrill guarded Justice most of the night and could not keep him in front of him. Varney guarded Cottrill most of the night. Cottrill is very strong and has a better outside stroke than Justice but I see Cottrill playing more 2 in college than 1. He only scores going to his right. Justice can score in either direction and is a better pure point guard. Justice must have had 20 assists last night and did a better job of keeping his teamates in the game. Cottrill can lose his composure down the stretch when thinks aren't going his way, If Cottrill is the #14 point guard in the country, then Justice is at least #13

[PC_You_Know]

In the game Wildcats11 watched, apparently Elisha shot about 10 more free throws. Which, in reality, Cottrill shot the 10 FT's Elisha didn't.

[PC_You_Know]

And you know what I would say to Justice?? Get better and earn a scholarship. :biggrin:

He outplayed a guy who has a scholarship. Elisha has outplayed a lot of guys who are getting schollys.

[dejavu]

He outplayed a guy who has a scholarship. Elisha has outplayed a lot of guys who are getting schollys.

Justice will have a scholarship at Louisville after the first year

[Larry Legend]

I watched the entire game.
Quickness- Edge to Justice
Strength- Edge to Justice
Passing- Edge to Justice
Ball handling- Edge to Justice
Defense- Edge to Justice
Court Awareness- Edge to Justice
Finishing- Edge to Justice
Outside Shooting- Edge to Cottrill

Cottrill is a fine player, but anyone that watched this game and has any basketball iq had to see it this way. It was blatantly obvious that Elisha had the more impressive overall game. Cottrill threw up at least 10 more shots than Elisha and shot 10 more freethrows and only outscored him by 6. Justice was WAY more efficient. Cotrill can really fill it up and has good potential, but came off as cocky, and a bit selfish from what I saw.

[NYY10]

this Wildcats11 kid is pretty funny. you Need to grow up and stop bashin a kid thats still in high school.

[uhavenoidea]

Cotrill had 45, 19/21 FT's, shot most of his FT's, because no one could guard him off the dribble, either gave him a layup/floater or FT's. Will be a two guard at WV coming off screens.

Justice had 36.

Cotrill went out with about 2 mins left, Justice had 30 at the time. Justice remained in the game until the last few seconds, I believe.

Cotrill was better, but Justice has the better team.

Rivals.com ranks on talent, not who won the game.

[Larry Legend]

Its not even close. Cottrill shot a ton of free throws because he flopped alot. That will not work at the next level. It wasn't often that he actually finished at the rack. He got bailed out alot. Elisha had 13 assists also. Cottrill had 4 or less.

[uhavenoidea]

Its not even close. Cottrill shot a ton of free throws because he flopped alot. That will not work at the next level. It wasn't often that he actually finished at the rack. He got bailed out alot. Elisha had 13 assists also. Cottrill had 4 or less.

Elisha probably did have close to 13asts. As expected when your team scores 101pts and that team is 14pts. better.

But, is there actually any validity to the assist stat of Cotrill?

Cotrill is a scoring PG in HS, and will turn into a scoring 2G at WV.

Justice is a great player though. And will get playing time at L-Ville before he's done.

Cotrill will more than likely score 1,000pts. or more at WV.

[Larry Legend]

1000 points? No way. Not from what I saw. I guess we have to four years to see though.

[Larry Legend]

I'm not sure if Cottrill passed the ball 4 times.

[Larry Legend]

He does have a ton of skill and is deadly from beyond the arc, one of the better shooters I have seen in a while.

[central fan]

And you know what I would say to Justice?? Get better and earn a scholarship. :biggrin:

he already basicly has one academics hes a 4.0 student.

and imo by the time hes a junior will be all big east his last two years, yeah i said it.:thanks:

[ImagineThat!]

Some of you people on here are ridiculous!

First off, let me state that I have yet to see either of these two talented young men play. Let me also state that I have no affiliation to either school.

You people are failing to include the most important aspect of basketball. The TEAM!!!

Cottrill scored more...maybe he is required to score more because that is what is needed for his team to win.

Justice had more assists...maybe that is what he needs to do for his team to win. Maybe Cottrill does not have the caliber of teammates to pass to.

Justice finishes better around the rim....maybe Logan's interior defense is not as good as Shelby Valley's.

I could go on forever with these scenarios. Both guys are going to do what is needed by their respective teams. You are trying to compare apples and oranges. Yeah, I know they play the same position, but they play different styles from what I can gather. Who are we to say which is better. We can't! We can give opinions and we all know what opinions are like.

Obviously, both are great players with a lot of potential or two of the best college basketball coaches in the country and maybe of all time would not be after them. Say what you want about Cottrill, but Bob Huggins would not give him the time of day if he could not play at the next level. Also, say what you want about Elisha Justice, but Rick Pitino would not give him an invited walk-on if he could not play. He obviously could play D1 at another school on scholarship, but he made a decision that he felt was best for him.

Give each their due and quit arguing about nothing.

[EOE]

Some of you people on here are ridiculous!

First off, let me state that I have yet to see either of these two talented young men play. Let me also state that I have no affiliation to either school.

You people are failing to include the most important aspect of basketball. The TEAM!!!

Cottrill scored more...maybe he is required to score more because that is what is needed for his team to win.

Justice had more assists...maybe that is what he needs to do for his team to win. Maybe Cottrill does not have the caliber of teammates to pass to.

Justice finishes better around the rim....maybe Logan's interior defense is not as good as Shelby Valley's.

I could go on forever with these scenarios. Both guys are going to do what is needed by their respective teams. You are trying to compare apples and oranges. Yeah, I know they play the same position, but they play different styles from what I can gather. Who are we to say which is better. We can't! We can give opinions and we all know what opinions are like.

Obviously, both are great players with a lot of potential or two of the best college basketball coaches in the country and maybe of all time would not be after them. Say what you want about Cottrill, but Bob Huggins would not give him the time of day if he could not play at the next level. Also, say what you want about Elisha Justice, but Rick Pitino would not give him an invited walk-on if he could not play. He obviously could play D1 at another school on scholarship, but he made a decision that he felt was best for him.

Give each their due and quit arguing about nothing.

:notworthy:worthy::Clap::Cheerlead:rockon:

[ImagineThat!]

That paragraph is made up of lies but whatever. I thought when a D1 player that "has the package" comes around that they get a scholarship or at least be ranked nationally 100. Elisha can defend kids 5 foot nothing and plays in the 15th region. Let's not be so delustional and bias on here and see things with realistic thinking. :thanks: ( I'm not posting with a bunch of bias valley fans, So with that being said, Cotrill is like a ferrari and Justice is like a honda... You do the math!! Case closed!!! :thanks:

As far as joe's statements being lies, I can vouch for them. He is talking about Willie Akers who played at WVU with Jerry West and was an important member on the #1 ranked Mountaineers that was defeated in the National Championship game. He went on to coach Logan High School, leading them to four state championships.

Justice is obviously D-1, or Rick Pitino would not waste his or his assistants' time by coming to Pike Co. I'm sure Justice could have gotten a scholy at a different D-1 school. I can't say whether he is top 100, but ranking are not what makes a player successful. As for playing in the 15th region, yeah for the most part it is one of the weaker basketball regions in the state, but that is not the only competition that he plays against. Have you ever heard of AAU?

PS: From what I can gather, Hondas are pretty reliable.

[uhavenoidea]

1000 points? No way. Not from what I saw. I guess we have to four years to see though.

WVU has 2 seniors, Butler who starts in the backcourt, not sure on the other senior.

They also have 5 JR's.

Sophomore Ebanks, is projected to go in the NBA draft.

That opens up some room for Noah Cotrill, to step in right away and contribute.

Both are talented young men and I wish them both nothing but the best.

[runninrebs21]

Wow, people on here are crazy, on both sides. Okay Cottril obviously has a lot of talent, otherwise he wouldn't be ranked 79 on rivals150 and Bob Huggins would not be giving him a scholarship. Plus, to those who say he flopped and that is why he isn't good, Kobe Bryant does the same thing every game, and it works for him. If the refs are calling it, do it. Now to the other side.. Elisha is probably the best played I ever played against, and that was 2 years ago. He is even better now than he was then. Rick Pitino is a top 5 coach in the country, and he thinks he has the talent to play in the Big East. People need to give Cottril the credit he is due, as well as Elisha. Valley was the better team I guess, but you can't really say who the better player is. And to the idiot that keeps saying Elisha sucks because he didn't get a scholarship, that isn't official yet. He still could earn a scholly for next year, but if not, I am sure he will get one for his sophomore year. I played 3 years of high school bball in WV, and 1 in KY. There is NO comparison at all to the two states talent level. An average team in KY would be a dominate player in WV. My team played the AA state champions when I was a junior, and they went undefeated that year, and they would be an average team in KY. Congrats to both Cottril and Elisha, because they both are going to be successful in college. P.S., I highly doubt Cottril will score 1000 points as a career at WVU. It takes a big time scorer to do that, especially in college in the Big East.

[uhavenoidea]

Wow, people on here are crazy, on both sides. Okay Cottril obviously has a lot of talent, otherwise he wouldn't be ranked 79 on rivals150 and Bob Huggins would not be giving him a scholarship. Plus, to those who say he flopped and that is why he isn't good, Kobe Bryant does the same thing every game, and it works for him. If the refs are calling it, do it. Now to the other side.. Elisha is probably the best played I ever played against, and that was 2 years ago. He is even better now than he was then. Rick Pitino is a top 5 coach in the country, and he thinks he has the talent to play in the Big East. People need to give Cottril the credit he is due, as well as Elisha. Valley was the better team I guess, but you can't really say who the better player is. And to the idiot that keeps saying Elisha sucks because he didn't get a scholarship, that isn't official yet. He still could earn a scholly for next year, but if not, I am sure he will get one for his sophomore year. I played 3 years of high school bball in WV, and 1 in KY. There is NO comparison at all to the two states talent level. An average team in KY would be a dominate player in WV. My team played the AA state champions when I was a junior, and they went undefeated that year, and they would be an average team in KY. Congrats to both Cottril and Elisha, because they both are going to be successful in college. P.S., I highly doubt Cottril will score 1000 points as a career at WVU. It takes a big time scorer to do that, especially in college in the Big East.

He'll have 4 years, to score the 1,000pts. though.

250pts. x 4= 1,000..College teams play 35 or more games a year. Meaning he'd only have to avg. 7.5-8ppg for his career. And you don't exactly play Big East teams every game, you have a non-conference schedule, plus all big east teams are not as strong as others, namely Rutgers.

How tall is Cotrill for sure, by the way?

[PC_You_Know]

He'll have 4 years, to score the 1,000pts. though.

250pts. x 4= 1,000..College teams play 35 or more games a year. Meaning he'd only have to avg. 7.5-8ppg for his career. And you don't exactly play Big East teams every game, you have a non-conference schedule, plus all big east teams are not as strong as others, namely Rutgers.

How tall is Cotrill for sure, by the way?

His page on Rivals says 6-3. So he's an average size SG.

[uhavenoidea]

His page on Rivals says 6-3. So he's an average size SG.

Thanks PC.

Being 6-3 don't hurt. He may grow, who knows.

How's his vertical leap? Just thinking, getting up higher on his jump-shot would help tremendously and would help him finish better around the rim.

[runninrebs21]

Actually, most of the time on jump shots, particularly 3 pointers, you don't jump high. Sometimes, jumping high throws off your balance on your shot.

[uhavenoidea]

Actually, most of the time on jump shots, particularly 3 pointers, you don't jump high. Sometimes, jumping high throws off your balance on your shot.

I'm guessing your talking from personal exp. of throwing your shot off. I'm not talking about getting up 35 inches off the ground on a jumpshot, a few inches goes along way is all I'm saying.

Being 6'3, Cotrill's going to have to find something to get his shot off quicker and better.

[kywldcat01]

Some of you people on here are ridiculous!

First off, let me state that I have yet to see either of these two talented young men play. Let me also state that I have no affiliation to either school.

You people are failing to include the most important aspect of basketball. The TEAM!!!

Cottrill scored more...maybe he is required to score more because that is what is needed for his team to win.

Justice had more assists...maybe that is what he needs to do for his team to win. Maybe Cottrill does not have the caliber of teammates to pass to.

Justice finishes better around the rim....maybe Logan's interior defense is not as good as Shelby Valley's.

I could go on forever with these scenarios. Both guys are going to do what is needed by their respective teams. You are trying to compare apples and oranges. Yeah, I know they play the same position, but they play different styles from what I can gather. Who are we to say which is better. We can't! We can give opinions and we all know what opinions are like.

Obviously, both are great players with a lot of potential or two of the best college basketball coaches in the country and maybe of all time would not be after them. Say what you want about Cottrill, but Bob Huggins would not give him the time of day if he could not play at the next level. Also, say what you want about Elisha Justice, but Rick Pitino would not give him an invited walk-on if he could not play. He obviously could play D1 at another school on scholarship, but he made a decision that he felt was best for him.

Give each their due and quit arguing about nothing.

And this ladies and gentleman is the only post in this thread actually worth reading and taking seriously. :Thumbs:

Cottrill drops 43 and all I see is excuses that he got a lot of his points from the line. Usually when a kid gets fouled it's because the other team can't guard him. Last time I checked, getting to the free throw line was a good thing.

Justice scores 37 and has 10+ dimes but a certain poster or two try to downplay it because he isn't on scholarship. I don't care who the competition is, that is an impressive game.

Both players are very good at the high school level, but there's a reason Cottrill is ranked where he is. He has more COLLEGE POTENTIAL. Justice may be just as good of a HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER as Cottrill, but one translates to the next level better than the other which is why you see the difference in the two as to where each is regarded amongst college coaches and scouting service.

To the overzealous SV and EJ fans though, let's not go overboard. Some of you are the reason that people bash your team and EJ. You try to think of any and every excuse of why Justice is the better player or does this or that better than anyone he goes against and then get defensive if someone points out a flaw in his game or says something that doesn't praise him.

With that said, nice win for SV and good luck this upcoming season.

[More Cowbell]

Well I'll put it to you like this.. I was at the tourney and the officials could have been the 6th man for SV. They got all the calls and go look it up and see how many FT justice shot. I bet 20+ of his points came from FT's. The Game was poorly called and Cotrill is 10X better than Justice and the only thing Justice can do is pass a little better. After seeing Justice play a 2nd time, I will go on to say he can't even compete at a NAIA school. (I wasn't impressed at all) :Thumbs:

Couldn't compete at an NAIA school??? :flush:

Well, it's obvious from this statement that Wildcats11 has lost all credibility with sensible basketball fans. Your opinion carries ZERO weight.

[More Cowbell]

Some of you people on here are ridiculous!

First off, let me state that I have yet to see either of these two talented young men play. Let me also state that I have no affiliation to either school.

You people are failing to include the most important aspect of basketball. The TEAM!!!

Cottrill scored more...maybe he is required to score more because that is what is needed for his team to win.

Justice had more assists...maybe that is what he needs to do for his team to win. Maybe Cottrill does not have the caliber of teammates to pass to.

Justice finishes better around the rim....maybe Logan's interior defense is not as good as Shelby Valley's.

I could go on forever with these scenarios. Both guys are going to do what is needed by their respective teams. You are trying to compare apples and oranges. Yeah, I know they play the same position, but they play different styles from what I can gather. Who are we to say which is better. We can't! We can give opinions and we all know what opinions are like.

Obviously, both are great players with a lot of potential or two of the best college basketball coaches in the country and maybe of all time would not be after them. Say what you want about Cottrill, but Bob Huggins would not give him the time of day if he could not play at the next level. Also, say what you want about Elisha Justice, but Rick Pitino would not give him an invited walk-on if he could not play. He obviously could play D1 at another school on scholarship, but he made a decision that he felt was best for him.

Give each their due and quit arguing about nothing.

Great post. Can't believe it took this far into the thread for someone to say this. :Clap:

[More Cowbell]

Cottrill drops 43 and all I see is excuses that he got a lot of his points from the line. Usually when a kid gets fouled it's because the other team can't guard him. Last time I checked, getting to the free throw line was a good thing.

Justice scores 37 and has 10+ dimes but a certain poster or two try to downplay it because he isn't on scholarship. I don't care who the competition is, that is an impressive game.

Both players are very good at the high school level, but there's a reason Cottrill is ranked where he is. He has more COLLEGE POTENTIAL. Justice may be just as good of a HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER as Cottrill, but one translates to the next level better than the other which is why you see the difference in the two as to where each is regarded amongst college coaches and scouting service.

To the overzealous SV and EJ fans though, let's not go overboard. Some of you are the reason that people bash your team and EJ. You try to think of any and every excuse of why Justice is the better player or does this or that better than anyone he goes against and then get defensive if someone points out a flaw in his game or says something that doesn't praise him.

Well, I agreed with your post until the very end. It seems both players performed very well. And I also agree that Cottrill is ranked higher because he has more college potential of the two (largely due to EJ's height, IMO).

But then you had to throw in the little dig at SV fans at the end. The reason why so many on here get so defensive about EJ is because there are so many others on here that love to put him down. And I'm not talking about someone just pointing out the flaws in Justice's game, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm talking about people making nonsensical statements like "he couldn't compete at the NAIA level" or something to that effect. And you seem surprised when SV fans rush to his defense? If it happened that someone said "Ricardo Johnson is overrated, he'll never get off the bench for Ohio", wouldn't you do the same? Of course you would, and deservedly so.

[kywldcat01]

Well, I agreed with your post until the very end. It seems both players performed very well. And I also agree that Cottrill is ranked higher because he has more college potential of the two (largely due to EJ's height, IMO).

But then you had to throw in the little dig at SV fans at the end. The reason why so many on here get so defensive about EJ is because there are so many others on here that love to put him down. And I'm not talking about someone just pointing out the flaws in Justice's game, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm talking about people making nonsensical statements like "he couldn't compete at the NAIA level" or something to that effect. And you seem surprised when SV fans rush to his defense? If it happened that someone said "Ricardo Johnson is overrated, he'll never get off the bench for Ohio", wouldn't you do the same? Of course you would, and deservedly so.

I agree with you and obviously I'd rush to RJ's defense if someone made a comment like that about him.

I wasn't trying to put any SV fans down or disrespect them. I was simply agreeing with them about Justice being a good ball player and telling them not to get so defensive if people point out flaws in his game. I can understand why they rush to his defense when people like Wildcat11 make comments about him like he has.

I don't agree with the FEW, however, who try to continually make him look better than anyone he goes against as if nobody is on his level. Hopefully you and I see eye to eye on that matter.

[More Cowbell]

I agree with you and obviously I'd rush to RJ's defense if someone made a comment like that about him.

I wasn't trying to put any SV fans down or disrespect them. I was simply agreeing with them about Justice being a good ball player and telling them not to get so defensive if people point out flaws in his game. I can understand why they rush to his defense when people like Wildcat11 make comments about him like he has.

I don't agree with the FEW, however, who try to continually make him look better than anyone he goes against as if nobody is on his level. Hopefully you and I see eye to eye on that matter.

I think we can agree on this. Honestly, I think many of the SV fans on here were just proud that EJ went head-to-head against a player who is rated much higher by the recruiting boards, yet Elisha seemed to at the very least play him to a draw.

[PC_You_Know]

I agree with you and obviously I'd rush to RJ's defense if someone made a comment like that about him.

I wasn't trying to put any SV fans down or disrespect them. I was simply agreeing with them about Justice being a good ball player and telling them not to get so defensive if people point out flaws in his game. I can understand why they rush to his defense when people like Wildcat11 make comments about him like he has.

I don't agree with the FEW, however, who try to continually make him look better than anyone he goes against as if nobody is on his level. Hopefully you and I see eye to eye on that matter.

Other than 3-point shooting, which isn't a demand for PG's, what is a flaw in Justice's game? You can't say height cause that's not a part of his game.I don't see people getting on here and pointing that out, I just see people downing him out of jealousy or just to stir the pot on here.