[OffTheHook]

I don't agree with this point. Star players don't have to be placed because if you're good enough on the field your play will establish you. Stars will make it because of their abilities on the field. I think what you're talking about is players with minimal talent being placed into star positions. I think there have been cases in the past and present of players getting special treatment because of who their mommy or daddy was. However, I think this happened when there was no clear difference at the spot and therefore they were returned a favor. When this happens players just want to quit because they don't wanna fight for a spot. Instead they want to hurt the team and program because of them being selfish.

How can you say that you disagree? And then turn around and agree with me.
See you say this "Star players don't have to be placed because if you're good enough on the field your play will establish you. Stars will make it because of their abilities on the field.".

Then you say this, "I think what you're talking about is players with minimal talent being placed into star positions. I think there have been cases in the past and present of players getting special treatment because of who their mommy or daddy was.".

What I am saying is that if a 5 star player at any position rolled into this side of the state and were to use a fake name and say that he or she played this position....They would be told that they would be playing another position. It's the truth in EKY and we all know it. Been that way and aint never gonna change. It just happens.

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

I'm pretty sure everyone ran it all over us this year with every formation. Trust me, it's outdated.

Over the past 2 years any team that has ran a power offense has killed us. we do relatively well against the spread or pro style. But either way the saying goes if you cant beat em join em.

[Kiffin]

How can you say that you disagree? And then turn around and agree with me.
See you say this "Star players don't have to be placed because if you're good enough on the field your play will establish you. Stars will make it because of their abilities on the field.".

Then you say this, "I think what you're talking about is players with minimal talent being placed into star positions. I think there have been cases in the past and present of players getting special treatment because of who their mommy or daddy was.".

What I am saying is that if a 5 star player at any position rolled into this side of the state and were to use a fake name and say that he or she played this position....They would be told that they would be playing another position. It's the truth in EKY and we all know it. Been that way and aint never gonna change. It just happens.

Ok you used the example of Colt McCoy and Adrian Peterson coming to Paintsville and you were saying they would be told they were another position than what they would normally play. I was saying that players that are "stars" won't be told to play another position because they are better than anyone else and can pretty much play wherever they want. Then I went on to say that this would only happen to players who weren't "star" players. I highly doubt a coach is going to tell a stud player to play a spot that he won't make an impact at. If you can name one example of this happening I would be interested to hear it.

[OffTheHook]

Ok you used the example of Colt McCoy and Adrian Peterson coming to Paintsville and you were saying they would be told they were another position than what they would normally play. I was saying that players that are "stars" won't be told to play another position because they are better than anyone else and can pretty much play wherever they want. Then I went on to say that this would only happen to players who weren't "star" players. I highly doubt a coach is going to tell a stud player to play a spot that he won't make an impact at. If you can name one example of this happening I would be interested to hear it.

So you get what I am saying. If a stud did come in under another name this would happen.

And NO I didn't say Paintsville....I said "Colt McCoy or Adrian Peterson could walk into any of these schools and say they were a QB and a RB and they would be told by the coaches that they see them as a WR or a OL." Look it up.

[Cope]

How can you say that you disagree? And then turn around and agree with me.
See you say this "Star players don't have to be placed because if you're good enough on the field your play will establish you. Stars will make it because of their abilities on the field.".

Then you say this, "I think what you're talking about is players with minimal talent being placed into star positions. I think there have been cases in the past and present of players getting special treatment because of who their mommy or daddy was.".

What I am saying is that if a 5 star player at any position rolled into this side of the state and were to use a fake name and say that he or she played this position....They would be told that they would be playing another position. It's the truth in EKY and we all know it. Been that way and aint never gonna change. It just happens.

Are you really trying to say that most coaches in EKY would see someone with the skill set of either Adrian Peterson or Colt McCoy(five star recruits at their position by your own words) and they would place them on the offensive line or at wideout?(Referencing your later post) Please, don't make ridiculous statements like that. If you meant at a particular school under a particular coach, please mention that (which I assume you meant, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) . A statement like the one you made insults all of Eastern Kentucky. A coach you described couldn't distinguish between a hot dog and a carburetor . I have had the pleasure of knowing a few great football coaches around Eastern Kentucky and it would be ridiculous to group them in this category.

[Cope]

As an additional note, adding "look it up" and "been that way ain't never gonna change" adds little credibility to your argument. Give an example, perform a calculation, determine terminal velocity on a package of soy sauce falling to the surface of the Earth, I don't care, anything that can provide any validity to your claim, and you may be able to present a substantial argument. Is there a five star running back playing o line or WR at an eastern Kentucky school? I'd love to see them play.

[mr.charlie hustle]

As an additional note, adding "look it up" and "been that way ain't never gonna change" adds little credibility to your argument. Give an example, perform a calculation, determine terminal velocity on a package of soy sauce falling to the surface of the Earth, I don't care, anything that can provide any validity to your claim, and you may be able to present a substantial argument. Is there a five star running back playing o line or WR at an eastern Kentucky school? I'd love to see them play.

No. They are not there at any position but the the example was a little extreme. The point was however understood. If you think that political appointments are not made consistantly in EKy, please choose a school and do your own evaluation. Any school. There is of cource much less in really successful programs as might be expected. Competent coaching/instruction isa big variable. Now as to the need for analytical data I agree. If you want use this thread as a base,that would be great. The KHSAA w-site will give you sufficent data.(if the figures are correct??] I will not bash a player. They get enough as it is. It is not a player problem anyway.

[Cope]

If the poster's point was that politics plays a part in high school football, then yeah, I'm on board with that. If that is what they meant then I'll gladly retract what I posted. I think what may have happened to make people feel the way they do is that two similarly talented players were competing for a position, one got the job while the other found himself helping the team in another position. When things didn't go the way the fans expected, they felt a change would turn things around. I agree with the end of your post completely. I'm not trying to bash any player and I don't believe it's a player problem. I guess that's why I posted the way I did. Their extreme example and the "look it up" comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

[Cope]

Also, the intention of this part of your post confused me a bit

Now as to the need for analytical data I agree. If you want use this thread as a base,that would be great. The KHSAA w-site will give you sufficent data.(if the figures are correct??]

I haven't followed closely enough to know what analytical data you want me to come up with. I think it would be interesting to provide some concrete proof to back up/refute the arguments here. I just don't know what exactly you want me to do. I'm all for having a discussion as long as facts are provided and people refrain from making outlandish comments without any substance to their claims. Just trying to add something useful to the discussion here. Not trying to defend any particular coach's depth chart.

[OffTheHook]

No. They are not there at any position but the the example was a little extreme. The point was however understood. If you think that political appointments are not made consistantly in EKy, please choose a school and do your own evaluation. Any school. There is of cource much less in really successful programs as might be expected. Competent coaching/instruction isa big variable. Now as to the need for analytical data I agree. If you want use this thread as a base,that would be great. The KHSAA w-site will give you sufficent data.(if the figures are correct??] I will not bash a player. They get enough as it is. It is not a player problem anyway.

Thank You! And I will admit the example may have been a little extreme...lol. But you got what I was saying.

[OffTheHook]

If the poster's point was that politics plays a part in high school football, then yeah, I'm on board with that. If that is what they meant then I'll gladly retract what I posted. I think what may have happened to make people feel the way they do is that two similarly talented players were competing for a position, one got the job while the other found himself helping the team in another position. When things didn't go the way the fans expected, they felt a change would turn things around. I agree with the end of your post completely. I'm not trying to bash any player and I don't believe it's a player problem. I guess that's why I posted the way I did. Their extreme example and the "look it up" comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

This is exactly what I was referring to. The reason I say EKY is because in these small rural areas it is more likely to happen because everyone knows everyone and sees everyone almost everyday as compared to the larger schools west of here.

[OffTheHook]

Are you really trying to say that most coaches in EKY would see someone with the skill set of either Adrian Peterson or Colt McCoy(five star recruits at their position by your own words) and they would place them on the offensive line or at wideout?(Referencing your later post) Please, don't make ridiculous statements like that. If you meant at a particular school under a particular coach, please mention that (which I assume you meant, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) . A statement like the one you made insults all of Eastern Kentucky. A coach you described couldn't distinguish between a hot dog and a carburetor . I have had the pleasure of knowing a few great football coaches around Eastern Kentucky and it would be ridiculous to group them in this category.

I know some good ones also...and guess what. They are the ones who have gotten their teams to the next level while they were at the helm. And before you assume again. I'm NOT saying that any of the current ones at any of these schools are bad. I wouldn't want to be a head coach in this area. To much pressure.

[Cope]

I don't disagree with anything you said in your last three posts. :Thumbs:
I guess I saw your post as saying that most EKY coaches will intentionally sabotage their teams to make Joe Bob's daddy happy, which I now see wasn't your argument at all.

[Redneck]

I don't disagree with anything you said in your last three posts. :Thumbs:
I guess I saw your post as saying that most EKY coaches will intentionally sabotage their teams to make Joe Bob's daddy happy, which I now see wasn't your argument at all.

Joe Bob, I love it, lol.

I'm gonna name my first born son William Joseph (after my papaw) because William is a family name, always given to the first born son (in the set of Jarrell's I come from). Gonna call him Billy Joe for short. I have 3 names (not countin my last name), William (family name), Donald (after my dad), Ryan (cause my mom wanted to give me another name instead William Donald Jarrell II). SO, if my wife or girlfriend (:biggrin will agree, we'll name him William Joseph Robert, that way he can go by Billy Joe or Joe Bob.

[Redneck]

We may not have the resources to rebuild a football program by better pay for competent coaches but we do have money to buy a house + expenses to make a Delivery lane for the new lunchroom. I'm guessing an excess of 200 bills . That sounds like a lot of football. Love you to death Redneck but you ain"t been to a game or practice in a while. I wonder if we will be able to score next year much less stopping anybody on the D side. Heck I even worry about how many bodies we will have. What is the least number you can have and still play????? Oh by the way if we happen to get two or three excellent players in the program you suppose we will have an all-stater on our hands? With a wishbone #33 gets 2000+

I guess I got a little off topic in my most recent post, lol.

Back to the topic.

I was at a bunch of practices. My little nephew had flad football over there twice a week, I went all the time. Always went early and usually caught the second half of the varsity practices. You're right though, I didn't go to many games. Actually only went to two games (Pburg and Fairview). Racin kinda got in the way of goin to friday night football games, I went when I could.

[mr.charlie hustle]

If the poster's point was that politics plays a part in high school football, then yeah, I'm on board with that. If that is what they meant then I'll gladly retract what I posted. I think what may have happened to make people feel the way they do is that two similarly talented players were competing for a position, one got the job while the other found himself helping the team in another position. When things didn't go the way the fans expected, they felt a change would turn things around. I agree with the end of your post completely. I'm not trying to bash any player and I don't believe it's a player problem. I guess that's why I posted the way I did. Their extreme example and the "look it up" comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

I wasn't coming at you at all ,just simply trying to say that when positions are taken it is only logical to consider the defense of them. Ithink that perhaps the problem or misunderstanding came when we considered other things [ie:politics} in the same post. Now let me say this and then I will shut up. This thread is about Tiger football which is close to many hearts. During the last few days many answers have been thrown out there. Most all appear tohave been at least in the ballpark. Ie: politics,responsibility,competence,economics and many others. Nothing will ever be done at PHS until there is a great deal of self examination and responsible action.

[mr.charlie hustle]

I guess I got a little off topic in my most recent post, lol.

Back to the topic.

I was at a bunch of practices. My little nephew had flad football over there twice a week, I went all the time. Always went early and usually caught the second half of the varsity practices. You're right though, I didn't go to many games. Actually only went to two games (Pburg and Fairview). Racin kinda got in the way of goin to friday night football games, I went when I could.

Tiger football redneck needs to be like it used to be on Preston street!!!!!!!

[Redneck]

Tiger football redneck needs to be like it used to be on Preston street!!!!!!!

Yeah, don't forget the catholic school.

[eastkyfootballfan]

[quote=eastkyfootballfan]I agree with you to a point. I think the main point is when did students start playing just one or two sports? Seems like they get it in their head or the parents get it in their head that they are going to be a star in football and then they dont play basketball and vice versa. The point is a class A school especially in the mountians cannot compete if their best athletes are sitting in the bleachers. And my best bet is that its all the parents fault deciding what sport they think their kid will be a star in.[/QUOTE



Let's get down to the brass tacks and tell it like it is. The high school coaches are as much to blame as anyone. Every sport now is a 12 month sport. These kids dont know what to do. When you try to play more than, (they all overlap) you have every coach of each respective sport telling them that if you expect to play for me, you better be doing this with me. These kids dont want to make any of them mad. They cant win. That's when the choice to play either this or that takes place.

Thumbs up Kimball I Believe i may have had you pegged wrong earlier. You may actually be a decent person.

[eastkyfootballfan]

I-formation ,How many downs?3-4? Dillon' s tallent wasted,not on the last play of the 09 season {4-5 picks till then?}. I do know what you mean though. {1000 yd.rushers}Try 1701 and 955 as of 11-02=09, on pure guts and no blocking. Don't know how to block never been taught. Your last sentence is on the money. The dream is out the window with fingers crossed!!!!! P.S. We can't tackle either 383 pts. lost havenT been taught to do that either.

First let me makes this very clear i wasnt bashing Dillon i think he is a heck of an athlete and an even better young man. I just think that putting him in qb with him having not played there that much was wasting his talent. I love all the paintsville boys. And when it come to teaching blocking they had 2 line coaches and i was run off and the other was fired. If you dont focus on BLOCKING AND TACKLING you will never compete and beat teams except the ones like phelps jenkins and the south floyds of the world. But again congrats to Dillon and #33 great season well at least numbers wise.

[mr.charlie hustle]

First let me makes this very clear i wasnt bashing Dillon i think he is a heck of an athlete and an even better young man. I just think that putting him in qb with him having not played there that much was wasting his talent. I love all the paintsville boys. And when it come to teaching blocking they had 2 line coaches and i was run off and the other was fired. If you dont focus on BLOCKING AND TACKLING you will never compete and beat teams except the ones like phelps jenkins and the south floyds of the world. But again congrats to Dillon and #33 great season well at least numbers wise.

I was not implying that you were bashing. What we were talking about was a very nice touchdown pass he threw to caldwell in the final seconds of the Harlan game. This coming after aterrible night of picks prior to this. Oh by the way as I have said before: the name of the game" Blocking and Tackling". If the line coaches had stayed I have to believe the season would have been some better especially if they had been allowed to do their jobs. Good early season progress.

[mr.charlie hustle]

First let me makes this very clear i wasnt bashing Dillon i think he is a heck of an athlete and an even better young man. I just think that putting him in qb with him having not played there that much was wasting his talent. I love all the paintsville boys. And when it come to teaching blocking they had 2 line coaches and i was run off and the other was fired. If you dont focus on BLOCKING AND TACKLING you will never compete and beat teams except the ones like phelps jenkins and the south floyds of the world. But again congrats to Dillon and #33 great season well at least numbers wise.

I was not implying that you were bashing. What we were talking about was a very nice touchdown pass he threw to caldwell in the final seconds of the Harlan game. This coming after aterrible night of picks prior to this. Oh by the way as I have said before: the name of the game" Blocking and Tackling". If the line coaches had stayed I have to believe the season would have been some better especially if they had been allowed to do their jobs. Good early season progress.

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]

Thumbs up Kimball I Believe i may have had you pegged wrong earlier. You may actually be a decent person.

lol....thanks. I think.:thumpsup:

[eastkyfootballfan]

I was not implying that you were bashing. What we were talking about was a very nice touchdown pass he threw to caldwell in the final seconds of the Harlan game. This coming after aterrible night of picks prior to this. Oh by the way as I have said before: the name of the game" Blocking and Tackling". If the line coaches had stayed I have to believe the season would have been some better especially if they had been allowed to do their jobs. Good early season progress.

if you dont mind could you pm me the names of the line coaches you thought did a good job?

[eastkyfootballfan]

[quote=eastkyfootballfan]
lol....thanks. I think.:thumpsup:

Im starting to u appreciate the tell it like it is approach you preach all the time. And i agree totally they should seperate the seasons more and let the kids do what the heck th.ey want

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]

Im starting to u appreciate the tell it like it is approach you preach all the time. And i agree totally they should seperate the seasons more and let the kids do what the heck th.ey want

Why would anybody ever want it any other way? Be up front and honest with people and you never have to wonder where you stand with them, and they'll never have to wonder where they stand with you. Then, all you have to deal with is the truth. It would save a whole lot of problems in this world, if all this political correctness junk was done away with. Keep things basic, simple and honest. Yeah, there will be some that hate your blunt honesty, but I think in the long run, everybody appreciates it in the end. Of course, this is just just one guys opinion.

I guess I know some of the pitfalls of some of this 12 month a year stuff. I lived it and learned all the trials and tribulations that go along with it the hard way with my older two sons. I'm telling you right now, it's just not worth it. The college experience is all fine and dandy, but in the end it is waaaay over rated.I'm going to encourage my third to be very active in athletics and strive to be the very best he can be, but I'm going to also give him a chance to do something that I may have taken away from my older two to some degree. And that is to give him the chance to be a kid as well. So far, him and I are having a really good time with that policy in place. Perhaps you could call it a blast.

[mr.charlie hustle]

[quote=eastkyfootballfan]


Why would anybody ever want it any other way? Be up front and honest with people and you never have to wonder where you stand with them, and they'll never have to wonder where they stand with you. Then, all you have to deal with is the truth. It would save a whole lot of problems in this world, if all this political correctness junk was done away with. Keep things basic, simple and honest. Yeah, there will be some that hate your blunt honesty, but I think in the long run, everybody appreciates it in the end. Of course, this is just just one guys opinion.

I guess I know some of the pitfalls of some of this 12 month a year stuff. I lived it and learned all the trials and tribulations that go along with it the hard way with my older two sons. I'm telling you right now, it's just not worth it. The college experience is all fine and dandy, but in the end it is waaaay over rated.I'm going to encourage my third to be very active in athletics and strive to be the very best he can be, but I'm going to also give him a chance to do something that I may have taken away from my older two to some degree. And that is to give him the chance to be a kid as well. So far, him and I are having a really good time with that policy in place. Perhaps you could call it a blast.

Well stated, thought out and obviously experienced Mr. K. Thanks and have a nice "Thanksgiving".

[eastkyfootballfan]

Yeah, don't forget the catholic school.

Kids dont do that stuff anymore man. They set at home and play xbox.

[sasquatchsportz]

Evrything is wrong with paintsville

[Redneck]

Kids dont do that stuff anymore man. They set at home and play xbox.

:Thumbs: You're exactly right. Back in our day, everybody hung out eachother. Got together on the weekends in the offseason and played sandlot ball, from the time we were in elem. school. Rain or shine, snow and cold, didn't matter. Just don't see that anymore. Alot of people say that Coach Kinner doesn't connect with his players, maybe so IDK, but the players don't connect with eachother and that IMO is a key ingredient. There was a reason (other than the fact his was darn good) Chas Harmon threw for 2,500 yards his senior year. All of us recievers knew what the other was gonna do as well as Chas, we all had that connection with eachother.