[LIB MRDux]

Evidently you're ADD or something. Try to focus here. YOU said that the only scorer for Ashland was Delaney. I said others could score. YOU said Gregg was a superior scorer to Johnson. I said that could possibly be due to level of competition faced by each. Nobody is hacking on any kid here unless you want to confess you took a swing at three Ashland players. Cory Gregg is more than welcome at Ashland as is Kyle Bush. And last, but not least, the way I hear it you are hard to clean after when it comes to Daddy angling.

Actually, I asked who was gonna score other than Delaney. Never said Johnson couldn't score, he hasn't had to. You were the one to throw Gregg's competition under the bus, don't thrust any of your trash in my post. I've been positive when talking about the kids from each school, not tearing one down to try to boast of another. And great retraction towards the end of your post. You have a bike where the pedals only go backwards don't you?:Clap:

[gapman]

Actually, I asked who was gonna score other than Delaney. Never said Johnson couldn't score, he hasn't had to. You were the one to throw Gregg's competition under the bus, don't thrust any of your trash in my post. I've been positive when talking about the kids from each school, not tearing one down to try to boast of another. And great retraction towards the end of your post. You have a bike where the pedals only go backwards don't you?:Clap:

No what you said was that Johnson, Skaggs or Whetsel were NOT proven scorers. I guess if you're going to say that is a positive statement then I suppose everything really is a matter of perspective. It hasn't escaped me that you are working hard as you can here to make it look like I'm trying to bash Cory Gregg which is ridiculous. He stands on his own merit, he's a good player by any standard in the 16th and we are glad to have him. As I have stated on another thread I really hope he gets eligible. But like you said, Cory is a Tomcat now. He will be fine and, he will be treated well and appreciated around here. Despite your artful feints, the only negative reference to any player we've talked about was made by you, as I have pointed out yet again in this post. We do agree on several things though, and one of them is that no player deserves to be desparaged in this forum. So why don't you cut the subversive smoke and mirror job and stick to what you know how to do best. Blame and defame the whole world except the ducks on your little puddle.

[LIB MRDux]

No what you said was that Johnson, Skaggs or Whetsel were NOT proven scorers. I guess if you're going to say that is a positive statement then I suppose everything really is a matter of perspective. It hasn't escaped me that you are working hard as you can here to make it look like I'm trying to bash Cory Gregg which is ridiculous. He stands on his own merit, he's a good player by any standard in the 16th and we are glad to have him. As I have stated on another thread I really hope he gets eligible. But like you said, Cory is a Tomcat now. He will be fine and, he will be treated well and appreciated around here. Despite your artful feints, the only negative reference to any player we've talked about was made by you, as I have pointed out yet again in this post. We do agree on several things though, and one of them is that no player deserves to be desparaged in this forum. So why don't you cut the subversive smoke and mirror job and stick to what you know how to do best. Blame and defame the whole world except the ducks on your little puddle.

Okay. So, saying that a kid ain't all he's cracked up to be because he hasn't played anyone, but your fearless leader has scheduled the likes of Oak Hill Academy isn't bashing the kid? That's the biggest crock of crap I've heard in quite some time. See , you make it personal. You have no knowledge of anyone else in the region, can't talk intelligently about the prospects of the season, you simply want to get into a pi$$ing contest with me because you think it's an Ashland/Rose Hill thing. Then you try to cut me down with your remarks. Here, I'll even go one step further. By my avatar, you think you know who I am. You can deny that, most will or already have denied that, but the fact remains that you have no clue who I am or where I'm from or who I support. And instead of following the thread title, you can't help yourself from typing away your little agenda vs. me and that mean old Rose Hill group. So, I'm officially changing my avatar to put you at ease. Someone soothing, not too aggressive.

[gapman]

Okay. So, saying that a kid ain't all he's cracked up to be because he hasn't played anyone, but your fearless leader has scheduled the likes of Oak Hill Academy isn't bashing the kid? That's the biggest crock of crap I've heard in quite some time. See , you make it personal. You have no knowledge of anyone else in the region, can't talk intelligently about the prospects of the season, you simply want to get into a pi$$ing contest with me because you think it's an Ashland/Rose Hill thing. Then you try to cut me down with your remarks. Here, I'll even go one step further. By my avatar, you think you know who I am. You can deny that, most will or already have denied that, but the fact remains that you have no clue who I am or where I'm from or who I support. And instead of following the thread title, you can't help yourself from typing away your little agenda vs. me and that mean old Rose Hill group. So, I'm officially changing my avatar to put you at ease. Someone soothing, not too aggressive.

That's fine, but when Cory Gregg was on the rise and achieved the 'cracked up to be status' and as he continues on and has his successes I doubt you will be on his list of people he writes thank you notes to. The Avatar was a nice touch but hey, in your case any change would likely be for the better.

[LIB MRDux]

That's fine, but when Cory Gregg was on the rise and achieved the 'cracked up to be status' and as he continues on and has his successes I doubt you will be on his list of people he writes thank you notes to. The Avatar was a nice touch but hey, in your case any change would likely be for the better.

And you'd be wrong. Full of venom aren't you? And folks wonder why Ashland gets a bad rap. Let me bring you exhibit A - gapman.

Hey good luck over there this season. Hope you can survive that schedule. Hope Mr. Gregg gets eligible. Hope he doesn't upset anyone if he scores more than others.

I'm done with this thread. That is unless there happens to be someone who actually has some knowledge about basketball in this region shows up to post so we could actally talk about basketball.

[LClion4life]

Actually I would say they could beat any of the 4 teams you mentioned. I don't think elliott will be all that this year.

Russell is still probably a year off from competing in the region, I have all the respect in the world for Russell and their fine athletics, but their basketball program is still, IMO, considered "down", but i guarantee Coach Kidwell will have them back to the Russell of old in the near future.:Thumbs:

[GOREDDEVILS]

Russell is still probably a year off from competing in the region, I have all the respect in the world for Russell and their fine athletics, but their basketball program is still, IMO, considered "down", but i guarantee Coach Kidwell will have them back to the Russell of old in the near future.:Thumbs:

I disagree they competed and beat Ashland last year and they were a top 5 team in the region. They will beat some teams that not many think they will be able to beat. I'm sure no one thought Russell would be able to beat Ashland last year either.

[LClion4life]

Correct as no one thought they would beat Greenup in Districts too, but most everyone from Lewis Co. will be pulling for Russell as long as Coach Kidwell is on the bench for them. If you couldn't tell we were pulling heavily for Russell at Districts last year.

[GOREDDEVILS]

I know I usually pull for Lewis County in Sports as I would like to see them be able to improve all Sports and be able to compete with Russell in all sports it could only help.

[Kosar]

How can nobody be talking about GC on this thread? with the the size and athleticism they have, they could be really dangerous this season. . I know guard play will be the big question.

[Squid]

A fair question, Kosar.

I think everyone knows that GC will be big, they will play solid defense, and they won't mind it if the scores are in the 40's and 50's.

During summer league, they were sporadic in the backcourt, and they'll need to be more consistent. That may happen, or it may not. If they can handle the presses and uptempo style of the better teams in the region, then they'll be a tough out. If not, they won't be the first team that had potential that never panned out.

[Walleye]

Being from a long way off, (Mountains of Eastern PA.) and with an interrest in KY Bball, can someone tell me who GC is and a little about them.

[Squid]

Being from a long way off, (Mountains of Eastern PA.) and with an interrest in KY Bball, can someone tell me who GC is and a little about them.

"GC" is Greenup County. They are in the 63rd district, along with Raceland, Russell, and Lewis County.

Starting in the early to mid 70's, they were coached by Randy Ward (aka "The Little General"), who played a very methodical style with an emphasis on physical defense. They were the prototypical eastern Kentucky basketball team, if you will.

After Ward left, they went on a run of changing coaches, and most people would lay that at the feet of the politics that dominate the Board of Education in Greenup. Their current coach is Tim Fraley, who played in the Ward system, and for the most part, plays the same style of ball. One of his teammates (Scott Floyd) is the head coach at Raceland.

Right now, Greenup has a front line that is (for the 16th Region) fairly long. They are athletic, and they play hard (with one or two exceptions). As previously stated, their weakness is that their backcourt isn't quite as strong as some of the better teams in the region, making them susceptible to pressing defenses and putting them at a disadvantage in an uptempo game.

[Walleye]

Thanks for the info, Squid. I guess "politics" in public schools is alive and strong all over. It would be nice, for once, if a coach could coach and a teacher could teach and let the chips fall where they may.

[tomcatfan722000]

I think it's funny how Ashland wouldn't play Rose Hill because of their recruting practices but yet they will take some of these same players that they've be bashing with open arms. It just exposes Ashland for the hypocrits that they are.

please offer any recruiting information you have on the tomcats cause as far as any of us know these kids arrived at ashland based on parents and kids decisions.also its not like ashland can say were a public school so u cant come here they have to accept all kids in there school district

[tomcatfan722000]

Yes but Ashland refused to play Rose Hill in the regular season once they started beating them. When Ashland was beating RH by 30-40 points, they didnt care where their players came from. It was only after RH started beating them that Ashland became ethical.

please noone in the district played them not just ashland and the tomcats actually had more success in that time period than the royals

ashland had 2 district titles and one regional title

rose hill never won the district and won the region just once

[RedDevil1981]

Russell will be interesting to watch - they have a bench full of players with about the same talent level. They could really play a fast pase game and keep everyone fresh. I think they will significantly improve this year and be a serious threat to the region the following 3 years.

[tomcatfan722000]

Russell will be interesting to watch - they have a bench full of players with about the same talent level. They could really play a fast pase game and keep everyone fresh. I think they will significantly improve this year and be a serious threat to the region the following 3 years.

Agreed russell came on really strong last year and return ever key. Member should be much improved

[ryanparker]

Russell will be interesting to watch - they have a bench full of players with about the same talent level. They could really play a fast pase game and keep everyone fresh. I think they will significantly improve this year and be a serious threat to the region the following 3 years.

Perfect analysis. That's exactly how I see this year's Russell team playing. They have probably 10 players who should be a consistent part of the rotation, many of which are very similar in that they are in very good shape, will play pressure defense, and can shoot 3's. Unless something has drastically changed over the summer, I, too, would expect Russell to press and trap nearly the entire game this year. I think that's their best chance at neutralizing the size advantage that most teams have on them. Should be fun to watch.

If they choose a different strategy, though, then I still won't doubt the coaching staff. After all, they see them in practice every day. I haven't seen them since last season on the court! I still think Kidwell is one of the best coaches in the area. Russell is lucky to have him.

[LClion4life]

Russell will be better, but i dont see them getting out of districts this year, they were lucky to get out of them last year.

[GOREDDEVILS]

Russell will be better, but i dont see them getting out of districts this year, they were lucky to get out of them last year.

You might be surprised then Russell might just even surprise your lions with a victory. Russell has many athletes walking the hall its just a matter if they came out this year or not.

[LClion4life]

Yeah they may beat us but they wouldn't have a chance if it wasn't for the unfortunate situation with Terrence Smith, IMO, the regions best PG.

[Fred Sanford]

You might be surprised then Russell might just even surprise your lions with a victory. Russell has many athletes walking the hall its just a matter if they came out this year or not.

Who is not playing that could make an impact on this year's team?

[GOREDDEVILS]

Who is not playing that could make an impact on this year's team?

I don't know I graduated 9 years ago. But I would almost bet there is some talent walking the halls that didn't come out there Always was when I was there. Its up to kidwell to get kids interested in Russell basketball.

[LClion4life]

As long as they struggle, there will be disinterest in playing, trust me, I am from Lewis Co., I know what it's like trying to convince someone to play a sport, they say no, i ask them why, and their response is, "We're not very good."

[GOREDDEVILS]

As long as they struggle, there will be disinterest in playing, trust me, I am from Lewis Co., I know what it's like trying to convince someone to play a sport, they say no, i ask them why, and their response is, "We're not very good."

Again its up to Kidwell to get the job done on getting wins and drawing interest that's why they hired him.

[bball123]

Preseason favorite for the 16th region has to be Fairview. Returning Jackson and Collins along with Gunter and Stai with Terry and the point guard from Rose Hill as well. Fairview may have changed coaches but hasn't changed much in philosophy and game plan. They still have elder Cooksey on the bench as well as Coach Davis who has been with the program every year that elder Cooksey has coached since returning from Greenup County. There are 60 years of coaching experience between Davis and elder Cooksey. I think Derrick will be just fine in coaching the Eagles. Chemistry will be there. Fairview has a true point guard and an inside game that was lacking in past years. Be prepared for hard nosed defensive schemes with a lot of movement on the offensive side. East Carter is good but they lack consistency in the defensive department. Look for East Carter to have to try to speed up the tempo in hopes that their opponents will make more mistakes than what they have to create. Ashland will always be tough but may have size issues with Fairview. Elliot does have some good players returning but depth may be their downfall.

[Coffee Can]

No one seems to mention or have forgotten about Minifee Co. They are for real and I would hate for my team to have to play them in march. They can score the ball, and if they start playing D they can beat anyone in their region.

[18fan]

Russell is going to be good this year

[Wire]

I think that Elliott Co. will be more competitive than many people think.