[GOREDDEVILS]

They would fall under "the list goes on".

Actually I would say they could beat any of the 4 teams you mentioned. I don't think elliott will be all that this year.

[LIB MRDux]

Actually I would say they could beat any of the 4 teams you mentioned. I don't think elliott will be all that this year.

Elliott has 2 kids 3 or 4 inches taller than anyone Russell sends out there. They have a coach who just might coach this year. I'd be careful about counting Elliott out. Not knocking the Devils, but I wouldn't be so fast to discount Elliott. Russell will struggle with Fairview because of length. However, alot of teams in the region struggle with lack of guard play. Russell has loads of it. Relax GO, I like your Devils.
Ashland has solid guard play. If East gets solid guard play, they will be hard to handle simply because Barnhill is a difficult matchup for anyone in our region. Greenup will be difficult if they get any guard play at all because of their length, which bit them in the butt last year. I wouldn't sleep on Rowan either. They will be solid.

[dejavu]

Elliot County has the best player in the region, a big ole boy in the middle and a solid point guard, and a history of playing hard. That is a recipe that will win a lot of games in the 16th region. East Carter probally doesn't have the guards to go with Barnhill who will have a great year, but Fairview has the most overall talent. Fairview is the clear cut #1 right now.

[GOREDDEVILS]

Elliott has 2 kids 3 or 4 inches taller than anyone Russell sends out there. They have a coach who just might coach this year. I'd be careful about counting Elliott out. Not knocking the Devils, but I wouldn't be so fast to discount Elliott. Russell will struggle with Fairview because of length. However, alot of teams in the region struggle with lack of guard play. Russell has loads of it. Relax GO, I like your Devils.
Ashland has solid guard play. If East gets solid guard play, they will be hard to handle simply because Barnhill is a difficult matchup for anyone in our region. Greenup will be difficult if they get any guard play at all because of their length, which bit them in the butt last year. I wouldn't sleep on Rowan either. They will be solid.

Its all about putting the ball in the basket and Russell has plenty of good shooters I don't care how tall elliott is. Russell will be a tough out imo for about any body in the region and if they have a bad night Russell might just knock off one of the top teams.

[GOREDDEVILS]

I know the Justin Davidson kid for Russell is 6'5 so for those players to be 3 or 4 inches taller than anyone Russell sends out there then they would have to be 6'8, 6'9. I know knipp is about 6'7 according to espn last updated 11/3/09.

[LIB MRDux]

I know the Justin Davidson kid for Russell is 6'5 so for those players to be 3 or 4 inches taller than anyone Russell sends out there then they would have to be 6'8, 6'9. I know knipp is about 6'7 according to espn last updated 11/3/09.

Davidson is closer to 6'3", and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say 6'4". Not 6'5" and Knipp is 6'7" and Ison 6'6" legitimately. And I agree that if Russell scores more they'll win.:biggrin:

The key to Elliott will be their point guard Nickell and if they can get anything out of the remaining Faulkner. I'm by no means crowning them champs, but to think they can't contend is simply silly.

[LIB MRDux]

...and like I said earlier in this thread, Menifee shouldn't be taken lightly. Fleming has a new coach who has kids who've started for 3 years, who knows how they'll improve as the year goes on. One thing for sure, there is not clear cut favorite in this region and I'll also agree that for now, on paper anyway, Fairview has to be considered the top dog. We'll see how wearing a bullseye suits them.

If Terrance Smith can make a full recovery by season's end, that instantly makes Lewis contenders.

[dejavu]

Its all about putting the ball in the basket and Russell has plenty of good shooters I don't care how tall elliott is. Russell will be a tough out imo for about any body in the region and if they have a bad night Russell might just knock off one of the top teams.

I know Russell has Skaggs who will probally end up breaking Vanhoose's school scoring record, but who do they have that can hit shots conistently after him? I'm thinking Russell just might get to about 10 wins this year, but to call them a region contender would be a pretty big stretch

[LIB MRDux]

I know Russell has Skaggs who will probally end up breaking Vanhoose's school scoring record, but who do they have that can hit shots conistently after him? I'm thinking Russell just might get to about 10 wins this year, but to call them a region contender would be a pretty big stretch

Skaggs didn't lead them in scoring last year. Casey Stapleton did. They have more than Skaggs who can score. I think that there are several schools in the region who will have to find scorers. Who's gonna put the ball in the orange ring consistently for Ashland other than Delaney? If Gregg remains ineligible, will it be Johnson, Skaggs, Whetsel? None of those are proven scorers. Besides Barnhill, who is gonna score in Grayson? Bair? He's been streaky over his career and will have to take more of a role this season. Only Fairview has proven scorers, but they haven't exactly been stellar defenders over their careers to date. Should be exciting. As for Russell, while they may not contend for the region, I'll bet if they make it that far, they have the moxy and senior make up to knock off one of the faves. Just like Menifee could, or Rowan, or Greenup. Am I sounding like a broken record?

Dejavu, I have a feeling that this season you may want to change your name to Vujade' instead. You know....the feeling that you've never seen any of this junk before.:biggrin:

[HD28]

Elliott has a phenomenal player....and a bunch of JV kids. Not a knock, just an observation. If Elliott wins the region, Baker, Cooksey, and Biggs need to be fired. lol. Not really, but you get where I'm coming from. If East, Fairview, or Ashland does not win the region all 3 will have underachieved. IMO.

[dejavu]

[quote=LIB MRDux]Skaggs didn't lead them in scoring last year. Casey Stapleton did. They have more than Skaggs who can score. I think that there are several schools in the region who will have to find scorers. Who's gonna put the ball in the orange ring consistently for Ashland other than Delaney? If Gregg remains ineligible, will it be Johnson, Skaggs, Whetsel? None of those are proven scorers. Besides Barnhill, who is gonna score in Grayson? Bair? He's been streaky over his career and will have to take more of a role this season. Only Fairview has proven scorers, but they haven't exactly been stellar defenders over their careers to date. Should be exciting. As for Russell, while they may not contend for the region, I'll bet if they make it that far, they have the moxy and senior make up to knock off one of the faves. Just like Menifee could, or Rowan, or Greenup. Am I sounding like a broken record?

Dejavu, I have a feeling that this season you may want to change your name to Vujade' instead. You know....the feeling that you've never seen any of this junk before.:biggrin:[/QUOTE

Didn't Stapleton graduate? Skaggs was a middle schooler playing varsity last year. This year, he in actually in high school. He will lead the team in scoring, now who else do they have that can score in Double figures on a consistent basis? Alexander probally will, and then who?
If Russell wins more than ten games, I will change my name to Vujade :biggrin:
and it won't bother me a bit if I'm wrong

[LIB MRDux]

[quote=LIB MRDux]Skaggs didn't lead them in scoring last year. Casey Stapleton did. They have more than Skaggs who can score. I think that there are several schools in the region who will have to find scorers. Who's gonna put the ball in the orange ring consistently for Ashland other than Delaney? If Gregg remains ineligible, will it be Johnson, Skaggs, Whetsel? None of those are proven scorers. Besides Barnhill, who is gonna score in Grayson? Bair? He's been streaky over his career and will have to take more of a role this season. Only Fairview has proven scorers, but they haven't exactly been stellar defenders over their careers to date. Should be exciting. As for Russell, while they may not contend for the region, I'll bet if they make it that far, they have the moxy and senior make up to knock off one of the faves. Just like Menifee could, or Rowan, or Greenup. Am I sounding like a broken record?

Dejavu, I have a feeling that this season you may want to change your name to Vujade' instead. You know....the feeling that you've never seen any of this junk before.:biggrin:[/QUOTE

Didn't Stapleton graduate? Skaggs was a middle schooler playing varsity last year. This year, he in actually in high school. He will lead the team in scoring, now who else do they have that can score in Double figures on a consistent basis? Alexander probally will, and then who?
If Russell wins more than ten games, I will change my name to Vujade :biggrin:
and it won't bother me a bit if I'm wrong

Stapleton is a senior. Led them in rebounding too. Davidson will be relied on to score more this season. And if you're a man of your word, I hope Russell wins the first 10 so we can get this username show on the road.:biggrin:

[GOREDDEVILS]

Russell had 2 seniors last season Ross May,Andrew Hogg. This season they have at least 6 seniors if all the same kids come back out this season.

[hamburgler606]

Russell had 2 seniors last season Ross May,Andrew Hogg. This season they have at least 6 seniors if all the same kids come back out this season.

O.K. man, we now that Russell is a threat so, so now that you have mad your point lets talk about the 16th not Russell

[Jarons]

O.K. man, we now that Russell is a threat so, so now that you have mad your point lets talk about the 16th not Russell

The last time I checked Russell was a part of the 16th region. He is allowed to support his team whether you agree with him or not.

[GOREDDEVILS]

O.K. man, we now that Russell is a threat so, so now that you have mad your point lets talk about the 16th not Russell

hamburgler606:dontthink most of the talk in this thread has been Ashland so layoff my few post about Russell. I know you're an ashland:zzz: homer and all but I have just as much right to talk Russell as you do Ashland. If I read the title right it says 16th region and both Russell and Ashland are in it.

[LIB MRDux]

I think Fleming is a curious team. New coach in Brian Kelly who comes from a legacy of Fleming coaching left by his father who is an icon there. They return either 4 or 5 starters who will be starting for the 3rd year in a row. They have alot of experience and I think once tournament time comes around, they quite possibly could be in the top third in the region.

Haven't heard much about Morgan, other than their coach was a candidate if I'm not mistaken for the Fleming job, but withdrew as I heard it. I would think Morgan would be in rebuild mode.

[Squid]

Elliott has a phenomenal player....and a bunch of JV kids. Not a knock, just an observation. If Elliott wins the region, Baker, Cooksey, and Biggs need to be fired. lol. Not really, but you get where I'm coming from. If East, Fairview, or Ashland does not win the region all 3 will have underachieved. IMO.

I agree - completely.

[dejavu]

How would Ashland be underachieving by not winning the Region?
That is totally unrealistic to expect them to win the Region without a post presence this year.
Johnson is a nice player, but he is a forward. Every other rebound will have to come by committee?
You can't shoot or press well enough to win 3 games at Morehead and that is what will end up getting Ashland beat, although they should have a free ride to Morehead

[Squid]

How would Ashland be underachieving by not winning the Region?
That is totally unrealistic to expect them to win the Region without a post presence this year.
Johnson is a nice player, but he is a forward. Every other rebound will have to come by committee?
You can't shoot or press well enough to win 3 games at Morehead and that is what will end up getting Ashland beat, although they should have a free ride to Morehead

I guess I took HD's comment in a slightly different manner than you did. I took his post to mean that, if Fairview and East are eliminated, then it would look to be Ashland's tournament. For instance, if Fairview and East played in one semifinal, and Ashland were on the other side of the bracket, one of the two top dogs would be eliminated by default. If the other power is upset in the finals, then the team that actually won it would have to beat two of the three (or something along those lines).

If that were to happen, then all three (Fairview, East, and Ashland) would all have had to blow a good opportunity to get to Rupp.

[HD28]

Squid, you interpreted my statement correctly. My opinion is that these are probably the 3 best teams in the 16th. For someone other than one of these 3 teams to win it, a lot of things would have to occur, IMO. Dejavu's comment that they don't have a post presence could be duplicated by the vast majority of 16th Region teams. Barnhill, maybe Terry? Knipp is tall, but not a post player. Can he go to the block and get some points? Yes. But he is much more comfortable on the perimeter. And please explain to me, dejavu, how you "can't shoot or press well enough to win 3 games at Morehead". I would think if you create TO's and shoot it in, then it would be very possible to win 3 games in the regional tournament, especially if that's who you ae as a team. Or are you saying Ashland doesn't do these things well enough? Because if they can't, and don't have a post presence, then they might not be very good at all!

[gapman]

Skaggs didn't lead them in scoring last year. Casey Stapleton did. They have more than Skaggs who can score. I think that there are several schools in the region who will have to find scorers. Who's gonna put the ball in the orange ring consistently for Ashland other than Delaney? If Gregg remains ineligible, will it be Johnson, Skaggs, Whetsel? None of those are proven scorers. Besides Barnhill, who is gonna score in Grayson? Bair? He's been streaky over his career and will have to take more of a role this season. Only Fairview has proven scorers, but they haven't exactly been stellar defenders over their careers to date. Should be exciting. As for Russell, while they may not contend for the region, I'll bet if they make it that far, they have the moxy and senior make up to knock off one of the faves. Just like Menifee could, or Rowan, or Greenup. Am I sounding like a broken record?

Dejavu, I have a feeling that this season you may want to change your name to Vujade' instead. You know....the feeling that you've never seen any of this junk before.:biggrin:

I'll have to call you on this one. Johnson will come back stronger this year and will be a stronger force in the paint. He can adjust his body in and around the basket and did a good job scoring last year against some pretty good defensive players from our area. When it comes to banging in there no doubt Gregg is a better rebounder and he is stronger but, you were talking about scoring right? I believe if one were to check the stats they would support my analysis. Skaggs can be spotty but he is busy taking care of the basketball and distributing the basketball like he is supposed to. Whetsel very often led his AAU teams in scoring as he did his school teams when he played across route 60. With Bonner gone roles will change this year. See, Ashland players do what coach Biggs tells them to, personal agendas not withstanding. By the way, you won't see Ashland playing schools that have a small enrollment, so the gawdy numbers you're talking about puting up don't happen as much.

[LIB MRDux]

I'll have to call you on this one. Johnson will come back stronger this year and will be a stronger force in the paint. He can adjust his body in and around the basket and did a good job scoring last year against some pretty good defensive players from our area. When it comes to banging in there no doubt Gregg is a better rebounder and he is stronger but, you were talking about scoring right? I believe if one were to check the stats they would support my analysis. Skaggs can be spotty but he is busy taking care of the basketball and distributing the basketball like he is supposed to. Whetsel very often led his AAU teams in scoring as he did his school teams when he played across route 60. With Bonner gone roles will change this year. See, Ashland players do what coach Biggs tells them to, personal agendas not withstanding. By the way, you won't see Ashland playing schools that have a small enrollment, so the gawdy numbers you're talking about puting up don't happen as much.

You can call me if you want. And you may want to actually go and do exactly what you've stated. Go and check the scoring from last season. Gregg is a far more superior scorer. No offense to Johnson whatsoever. And if he has to man the post by his lonesome this season if Gregg doesn't become eligible, Biggs better hope he can score. But they're players in a different league in my opinion. You don't have to agree, but that's how I see it. Without Gregg, Ashland has a shot at a regional title this season. With Gregg they have a real shot at it.

And the gawdy numbers I spoke of were about Knipp. And you can wake up out of that dream if you think that Ashland played a schedule like Elliott did last season. I understand you are an Ashland homer, but please let's try to remain objective.

[Ashland Diomedes]

Russell may or may not do that well in the region but they have some good talent coming up, especially in the freshmen class. I heard that the kid that transferred from Rose Hill to Russell a couple of years ago is starting to come into his own and will be a good compliment to the Skaggs kid.

Merle is a solid coach and will do a fine job at Russell.

Buddy Ball is going to be fun to watch this year. Gregg, Whetsel, and Skaggs can play with anyone. Skaggs is what a point guard should be! I think we will contend this year, even against the mighty Eagles.

Boyd is going to continue to struggle as will Rose Hill. Good luck to Wooten and Watkins. Both were really good players and should make good coaches once they have a few more years under their belts.

[LIB MRDux]

Russell may or may not do that well in the region but they have some good talent coming up, especially in the freshmen class. I heard that the kid that transferred from Rose Hill to Russell a couple of years ago is starting to come into his own and will be a good compliment to the Skaggs kid.

Merle is a solid coach and will do a fine job at Russell.

Buddy Ball is going to be fun to watch this year. Gregg, Whetsel, and Skaggs can play with anyone. Skaggs is what a point guard should be! I think we will contend this year, even against the mighty Eagles.

Boyd is going to continue to struggle as will Rose Hill. Good luck to Wooten and Watkins. Both were really good players and should make good coaches once they have a few more PLAYERS under their belts.

Fixed that quote for you. :biggrin:

Has Gregg been ruled eligible?

[gapman]

You can call me if you want. And you may want to actually go and do exactly what you've stated. Go and check the scoring from last season. Gregg is a far more superior scorer. No offense to Johnson whatsoever. And if he has to man the post by his lonesome this season if Gregg doesn't become eligible, Biggs better hope he can score. But they're players in a different league in my opinion. You don't have to agree, but that's how I see it. Without Gregg, Ashland has a shot at a regional title this season. With Gregg they have a real shot at it.

And the gawdy numbers I spoke of were about Knipp. And you can wake up out of that dream if you think that Ashland played a schedule like Elliott did last season. I understand you are an Ashland homer, but please let's try to remain objective.

Well, thank you for allowing me to call you. Objectively, are you saying that its' not easier to put up the big numbers you speak of against Manchester Oh.,Wolfe County, Cornerstone Christian, Caverna, and their ilk? When Rose Hill was playing Ashland, Elliott, Fairview, Bath, Raceland I didn't see anyone dominating so much in there. I understand you may have had to eat enough sour grapes so as to produce enough whine to fill up to overflow on Hoover Dam but, you can get the bad taste out of your mouth if you can just let it go. And I understand that you were looking for a rapier zinger to end up with but, we don't need a crash course on the finer points of determining talent levels of our players.

I didn't mean that I didn't agree with you're opinion about Gregg making a difference at Ashland. As a matter of fact, and as I have stated before on here, I think he can step in and take up where Ryan Bonner left off. Further, if Cory Gregg stays focused I think he can do big things in the future. I didn't agree with you that Ashland can't score. But then, if you could have stayed objective with your response I wouldn't have to 'Homer' in on all these details.

By the way, I heard similar prophesies of doom last year before the season started and I aint scared.

[LIB MRDux]

Well, thank you for allowing me to call you. Objectively, are you saying that its' not easier to put up the big numbers you speak of against Manchester Oh.,Wolfe County, Cornerstone Christian, Caverna, and their ilk? When Rose Hill was playing Ashland, Elliott, Fairview, Bath, Raceland I didn't see anyone dominating so much in there. I understand you may have had to eat enough sour grapes so as to produce enough whine to fill up to overflow on Hoover Dam but, you can get the bad taste out of your mouth if you can just let it go. And I understand that you were looking for a rapier zinger to end up with but, we don't need a crash course on the finer points of determining talent levels of our players.

I didn't mean that I didn't agree with you're opinion about Gregg making a difference at Ashland. As a matter of fact, and as I have stated before on here, I think he can step in and take up where Ryan Bonner left off. Further, if Cory Gregg stays focused I think he can do big things in the future. I didn't agree with you that Ashland can't score. But then, if you could have stayed objective with your response I wouldn't have to 'Homer' in on all these details.

By the way, I heard similar prophesies of doom last year before the season started and I aint scared.

Okay, you're certifiable. The only person I said that would have gawdy numbers was Timmy Knipp. Never said it about Gregg. You should go back and read the thread before you misspeak. And Gregg is squarely in your lap this season assuming he gets eligible, which is up for debate obviously. And Johnson isn't as talented Gregg. And that's okay. He will no doubt serve a very important role for the Tomcats this season. But let's call it what it is. Funny your hacking on a kid who is in your fold now. Amazing. If I didn't know any better I'd say it's a classic case of daddy angling.

Oh, and lest I forget, let's shoot a rocket and proclaim from the rooftops that Buddy Biggs is the top scheduler in the region. His no fear approach when pencilling that schedule is second to none. :worthy:

[gapman]

Okay, you're certifiable. The only person I said that would have gawdy numbers was Timmy Knipp. Never said it about Gregg. You should go back and read the thread before you misspeak. And Gregg is squarely in your lap this season assuming he gets eligible, which is up for debate obviously. And Johnson isn't as talented Gregg. And that's okay. He will no doubt serve a very important role for the Tomcats this season. But let's call it what it is. Funny your hacking on a kid who is in your fold now. Amazing. If I didn't know any better I'd say it's a classic case of daddy angling.

Oh, and lest I forget, let's shoot a rocket and proclaim from the rooftops that Buddy Biggs is the top scheduler in the region. His no fear approach when pencilling that schedule is second to none. :worthy:

Evidently you're ADD or something. Try to focus here. YOU said that the only scorer for Ashland was Delaney. I said others could score. YOU said Gregg was a superior scorer to Johnson. I said that could possibly be due to level of competition faced by each. Nobody is hacking on any kid here unless you want to confess you took a swing at three Ashland players. Cory Gregg is more than welcome at Ashland as is Kyle Bush. And last, but not least, the way I hear it you are hard to clean after when it comes to Daddy angling.

[dejavu]

How about this
Ashland is going to be right in the thick of things for that hunt for the 3rd,4th, or 5th position in the Region?
Would that be accurate?
Don't get too upset, there are a lot more teams behind them than ahead of them

[gapman]

How about this
Ashland is going to be right in the thick of things for that hunt for the 3rd,4th, or 5th position in the Region?
Would that be accurate?
Don't get too upset, there are a lot more teams behind them than ahead of them

Seems like a reasonable statement to me. East and Fairview have tradition, coaching and talent, nothing to be upset about as far as I can see. A team will play it's way into, or out of respectability anyway. Just being in the hunt is a great place to be if you're a coach or an athlete IMO. Doesn't mean that it's automatic that any of these 3 teams will find themselves winning or losing when they play.:biggrin: