[Squid]

Yes but Ashland refused to play Rose Hill in the regular season once they started beating them. When Ashland was beating RH by 30-40 points, they didnt care where their players came from. It was only after RH started beating them that Ashland became ethical.

There just isn't any end to it for you, is there?

You still mad about that kid that didn't invite you to his birthday party in the third grade?

[mightydog]

There just isn't any end to it for you, is there?

You still mad about that kid that didn't invite you to his birthday party in the third grade?

You must be a politition Squid the way you deflected and turned it into a personal attact. I dont suppose your going to be able to have an open discussion without them.

[The Iceboxx]

I think that Knipp will be POY. Mike is solid offensively, needs to step his game up on the other end of the floor to be POY. Knipp will carry his team offensively and may have gaudy numbers at season's end. Terry won't be the only scoring threat in Westwood.

Over the last couple of seasons, Timmy Knipp has gotten teams turd defenders. He doesnt play in the paint, hes on the wing a lot. So teams would put their Best defender on Jon Furgerson, Then their second on Ethan, and third on Evan. These days are over. Timmy Knipp is going to be the main focus. How many teams really have a 4th defender at an elite level.

The statement you made about their being other scoring threats will help Mikey Terry. He will have help, that wont allow him to be doubled.

I stand by what I say.
Mikey Terry POY

[Truth]

The truth is, mightydog, that Squid is quite a good spinner. I believe that Advanced Spinning (an accelerated course for sure) is a requirement at the motel off of Floyd Street.

It is always amusing to hear the spin when it is mentioned that they wouldn't play Rose Hill in the 2002-2003 season. Even their enlightened superintendent at the time submitted a letter to the editor of the local newspaper stating that it was a matter of "principle". Of course he never defined "principle" but obviously it was because the self-adored "tradition" did not want to run the risk of losing more games to the little upstart private school.

Mayo has been gone for over six years. He is now a millionaire playing in the NBA. And, all unbiased observers will admit that he was the best basketball talent to ever play for a 64th District team. No question. And, Bill Walker, another to wear the blue and white and most likely the second best talent to ever play for a 64th District team, is also in the NBA. The Floyd Streeters have never gotten over these facts and, in truth, never will recover.

Rose Hill's off and on run is over. No one reading this will live to see it rise up again. It will return to the status of "doormat". We can argue as to whether the wound was entirely self-inflicted or if it was "assisted" by a couple of its local opponents. It doesn't matter because the result is the same.

In the end, in modern basketball history, the 64th District is known not for Ashland's ancient champions, but for the magic that Ovinton Mayo brought to the area with coverage from the national media (remember ESPN followed him around for days) and fans travelling literally hundreds of miles to see him play. He was special and he was at Rose Hill. So, when you see those from Rose Hill who have been shot at in some of these posts and those individuals are smiling, you will understand the source of that smirk on their faces. It makes a fine memory.

That, fellow posters, is the truth whether you like it or not.

[LIB MRDux]

The truth is, mightydog, that Squid is quite a good spinner. I believe that Advanced Spinning (an accelerated course for sure) is a requirement at the motel off of Floyd Street.

It is always amusing to hear the spin when it is mentioned that they wouldn't play Rose Hill in the 2002-2003 season. Even their enlightened superintendent at the time submitted a letter to the editor of the local newspaper stating that it was a matter of "principle". Of course he never defined "principle" but obviously it was because the self-adored "tradition" did not want to run the risk of losing more games to the little upstart private school.

Mayo has been gone for over six years. He is now a millionaire playing in the NBA. And, all unbiased observers will admit that he was the best basketball talent to ever play for a 64th District team. No question. And, Bill Walker, another to wear the blue and white and most likely the second best talent to ever play for a 64th District team, is also in the NBA. The Floyd Streeters have never gotten over these facts and, in truth, never will recover.

Rose Hill's off and on run is over. No one reading this will live to see it rise up again. It will return to the status of "doormat". We can argue as to whether the wound was entirely self-inflicted or if it was "assisted" by a couple of its local opponents. It doesn't matter because the result is the same.

In the end, in modern basketball history, the 64th District will be known not for Ashland's ancient champions, but for the magic that Ovinton Mayo brought to the area with coverage from the national media (remember ESPN followed him around for days) and fans travelling literally hundreds of miles to see him play.

That, fellow posters, is the truth whether it is admitted or not.

Sooooooooo, who do you think will win the 16th? Not sure what topic we're on here. Maybe I should have hit the back button.

[Squid]

You must be a politition Squid the way you deflected and turned it into a personal attact. I dont suppose your going to be able to have an open discussion without them.

I consider your condemnation of "Ashland" as a personal attack, mightydog. If you wish to speak about specific individuals at Ashland, and their actions in the past, then that is a different story.

In this instance, however, you chose to paint with a very broad brush.

As a result, your personal attack was met with my reply, which you apparently don't like. If you don't want to be called out for your garbage, don't post it.

If you continue to generalize about "Ashland", rather than individuals, I'll continue to point it out to you.

[Squid]

The truth is, mightydog, that Squid is quite a good spinner.

Thank you, Truth. As usual, you insist on conflating your opinions with facts, while insisting that you (and only you) speak the truth. Sadly, that doesn't appear that it will change in this post, or any time soon. Like Aunt Martha's gas, we'll just have to live with it, I guess.

... We can argue as to whether the wound was entirely self-inflicted or if it was "assisted" by a couple of its local opponents. It doesn't matter because the result is the same.

Ah, but there's the rub, Truth. It actually DOES matter, whether the wound was self inflicted or not. Only to a diehard apologist like yourself would it NOT matter.

To a lot of people in the area - and I do mean a LOT - Rose Hill sold its soul for a shot at athletic glory. The church lost a significant number of families, some of which attended for generations. All for the sake of a few egos. There is absolutely no question that the wound was self inflicted. The amazing thing is, even after the first fiasco, the powers that be in the school side of the operation refused to learn from its mistake. Instead, they simply reloaded the gun and shot off a few more toes.

In my opinion, the powers at Ashland didn't handle the situation as well as they could have. The decision to exclude the Rose Hill grade school teams from the Ashland City League was not a smart move. The actual result of that was to punish kids for the actions of adults - which is never a good move. On the other hand, those same people felt (at that time) that something had to be done about the "open season" on the Ashland feeder system, and they (apparently) didn't see any other options. Either way, one mistake was answered with another, and the die was cast.

In the end, in modern basketball history, the 64th District is known not for Ashland's ancient champions, but for the magic that Ovinton Mayo brought to the area with coverage from the national media (remember ESPN followed him around for days) and fans travelling literally hundreds of miles to see him play. He was special and he was at Rose Hill. So, when you see those from Rose Hill who have been shot at in some of these posts and those individuals are smiling, you will understand the source of that smirk on their faces. It makes a fine memory.

I often marvel at your phrasing, Truth. When you speak of any accomplishment of the Ashland athletic programs, it is always "ancient history". Yet, when you speak of OJ Mayo (your personal redeemer), it's as if he played in a game just last night. History is history. Right now, there is only one champion of the 16th region - Elliott County. They will hold the crown until late February. If you wish to continue to live vicariously through OJ and Walker, then you need to realize that the only difference between them and Larry Conley is simply a matter of degree.

That, fellow posters, is the truth whether you like it or not.

... and once again, Aunt Martha's gas is filling the room. It is a fact that Ashland stopped playing Rose Hill at one point in time. What you stated was your opinion as to the reason why.

Your insatiable need to express your self importance doesn't actually make you right. And THAT is a fact.

[mightydog]

rd the negative comments by Dicky Martin about both, the adults responsible for bringing in these high profile players, and the kids themselves. And I saw and heard while attending the games the written, by way of signs, and verbal abuse that the fans gave thes kids. I dont have kids that attend Rose Hill , so it dosent matter to me who wins the games ,by how much,or if they never play. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of Ashland for doing the same thing, taking in high profile players, that they trashed Rose Hill for. I attended games at other schools when some of these players were playing and Ididnt see or hear anything from them. As a matter of fact everyone seemed to enjoy watching these good players.

[Squid]

... I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of Ashland for doing the same thing, ...

Are you capable of understanding the term "broad brush"?

In your statement (above), you act as if the entire population of Ashland (approximately 25,000 people or so) all came to the games, openly trashed the Rose Hill kids, and collectively heaped verbal abuse on them.

Let's cut to the chase.
Are there some people in Ashland that wouldn't mind seeing Rose Hill get their clocks cleaned every time they step on the floor? Absolutely.
Are there some people at Ashland that will carry a grudge against Rose Hill for a long time to come? Absolutely.
Are there some people at Ashland that confuse the actions of the powers that be in the school with the church itself? Absolutely.

That does not mean that everyone that attended Ashland, or plays for Ashland, or roots for Ashland feels that way.

If you want to point out that Dicky Martin has been less than kind to Rose Hill during his broadcasts, then please, do so. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue the point.

You and I both know that some people at Rose Hill openly recruited some of Ashland's kids in the past. Notice that I do not simply throw out statements that indicate that everyone at Rose Hill is a cheater? That would be a lie.

As for the signs, the Ashland administration attends every basketball game - home and away. They do not allow the student body to display abusive signs, and will stop any chants that cross that line. It might take them a minute to see a sign, or understand what is being said during a chant, but they do stop it. Russell also does the same thing at their games. I've seen Ashland/Russell games where the student body is moved an entire section of the stands, to keep things under control. High school kids do push the line. Heck, college kids push the line. In our region, it is (for my money) very much under control.

[Truth]

Thank you, Truth. As usual, you insist on conflating your opinions with facts, while insisting that you (and only you) speak the truth. Sadly, that doesn't appear that it will change in this post, or any time soon. Like Aunt Martha's gas, we'll just have to live with it, I guess.



Ah, but there's the rub, Truth. It actually DOES matter, whether the wound was self inflicted or not. Only to a diehard apologist like yourself would it NOT matter.

To a lot of people in the area - and I do mean a LOT - Rose Hill sold its soul for a shot at athletic glory. The church lost a significant number of families, some of which attended for generations. All for the sake of a few egos. There is absolutely no question that the wound was self inflicted. The amazing thing is, even after the first fiasco, the powers that be in the school side of the operation refused to learn from its mistake. Instead, they simply reloaded the gun and shot off a few more toes.

In my opinion, the powers at Ashland didn't handle the situation as well as they could have. The decision to exclude the Rose Hill grade school teams from the Ashland City League was not a smart move. The actual result of that was to punish kids for the actions of adults - which is never a good move. On the other hand, those same people felt (at that time) that something had to be done about the "open season" on the Ashland feeder system, and they (apparently) didn't see any other options. Either way, one mistake was answered with another, and the die was cast.


I often marvel at your phrasing, Truth. When you speak of any accomplishment of the Ashland athletic programs, it is always "ancient history". Yet, when you speak of OJ Mayo (your personal redeemer), it's as if he played in a game just last night. History is history. Right now, there is only one champion of the 16th region - Elliott County. They will hold the crown until late February. If you wish to continue to live vicariously through OJ and Walker, then you need to realize that the only difference between them and Larry Conley is simply a matter of degree.


... and once again, Aunt Martha's gas is filling the room. It is a fact that Ashland stopped playing Rose Hill at one point in time. What you stated was your opinion as to the reason why.

Your insatiable need to express your self importance doesn't actually make you right. And THAT is a fact.

Good spin, Squid. However, I'll stand by my analysis.

[Squid]

Good spin, Squid. However, I'll stand by my analysis.

Fair enough. I hope you don't mind if I open a window ...

[mightydog]

Are you capable of understanding the term "broad brush"?

In your statement (above), you act as if the entire population of Ashland (approximately 25,000 people or so) all came to the games, openly trashed the Rose Hill kids, and collectively heaped verbal abuse on them.

Let's cut to the chase.
Are there some people in Ashland that wouldn't mind seeing Rose Hill get their clocks cleaned every time they step on the floor? Absolutely.
Are there some people at Ashland that will carry a grudge against Rose Hill for a long time to come? Absolutely.
Are there some people at Ashland that confuse the actions of the powers that be in the school with the church itself? Absolutely.

That does not mean that everyone that attended Ashland, or plays for Ashland, or roots for Ashland feels that way.

If you want to point out that Dicky Martin has been less than kind to Rose Hill during his broadcasts, then please, do so. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue the point.

You and I both know that some people at Rose Hill openly recruited some of Ashland's kids in the past. Notice that I do not simply throw out statements that indicate that everyone at Rose Hill is a cheater? That would be a lie.

As for the signs, the Ashland administration attends every basketball game - home and away. They do not allow the student body to display abusive signs, and will stop any chants that cross that line. It might take them a minute to see a sign, or understand what is being said during a chant, but they do stop it. Russell also does the same thing at their games. I've seen Ashland/Russell games where the student body is moved an entire section of the stands, to keep things under control. High school kids do push the line. Heck, college kids push the line. In our region, it is (for my money) very much under control.

I didnt paint everyone in Ashland with a broad brush. I named Mark Swift, Dicky Martin and some fans. Im going to put this topic to bed on my side of the county line. Lets go to the games, root on our team and hope for a good competitive year out of everyone.

[Squid]

I didnt paint everyone in Ashland with a broad brush. I named Mark Swift, Dicky Martin and some fans. Im going to put this topic to bed on my side of the county line. Lets go to the games, root on our team and hope for a good competitive year out of everyone.

Excellent idea. Let's go catch some games, and hope the teams play well - regardless of which color jersey they have on their backs. :Thumbs:

[Truth]

Fair enough. I hope you don't mind if I open a window ...

Go ahead. Just don't jump from an upper story. No one would be around to wear those little maroon blinders.

[Squid]

Go ahead. Just don't jump from an upper story. No one would be around to wear those little maroon blinders.

Jump? Not a chance.

I wouldn't want to miss the next installment of the "Truth".

Good fiction is hard to find.

[Truth]

Jump? Not a chance.

I wouldn't want to miss the next installment of the "Truth".

Good fiction is hard to find.

Fiction? I state facts with a little "humor" mixed in for effect. Your statement that it is fiction proves nothing. Rebut the facts if you can do so.

However, I do like to give credit where credit is due. Your "degrees" comparison is possibly your best spin yet. After all, it is only difference of a few degrees between the high school dropout wino living in Over the Rhine and dodging child support enforcement and the PhD living in Hyde Park and sending his children to Summit Country Day at $17,000+ per year.

[Squid]

I state a few facts with a lot of opinion.

There you go. You had a couple of facts wrong in there. I fixed that for you.

Rebut the facts if you can do so.

Actually, I rarely disagree with the facts that you post. I focus on rebutting your opinions that you confuse with facts, and then try to sell to anyone that will listen.

After all, it is only difference of a few degrees between the high school dropout wino living in Over the Rhine and dodging child support enforcement and the PhD living in Hyde Park and sending his children to Summit Country Day at $17,000+ per year.

I really do appreciate the humor in this particular part of your post. It's a fresh break from your usual tale of woe, where the homeless shelter handbuilt by the Sisters of the Poor is then bulldozed to make room for a public school, run by Simon Legree's more evil brother.

[Truth]

There you go. You had a couple of facts wrong in there. I fixed that for you.

Actually, I rarely disagree with the facts that you post. I focus on rebutting your opinions that you confuse with facts, and then try to sell to anyone that will listen.


I really do appreciate the humor in this particular part of your post. It's a fresh break from your usual tale of woe, where the homeless shelter handbuilt by the Sisters of the Poor is then bulldozed to make room for a public school, run by Simon Legree's more evil brother.

Thank you for the somewhat begrudging admission that I post facts. I would still be interested in evidence supporting your thesis that I present opinion as fact.

I don't recall posting any tales of woe other than pointing out the sad fact that some schools tend to live in the ancient past. I suppose, to them, it is opinion but most would agree that it is also fact.

By the way, the homeless shelter would be relocated in a far nicer facility at a material cost to the taxpayers. Legree's brother would soon be the defendant in a class action law suit brought by parents of children at the public school and based upon the brother's actions to make the school a bit more conducive to learning and less of an animal house. The case would be settled out of court at great expense to the taxpayers. The PhD sending his children to SCD would see his tax dollars squandered. But, after all, that is modern day America. It was much different in the olden days when Ashland High School (PGBHS wasn't "invented" yet) was winning those championships

[TomcatAtHeart]

[quote=Truth]The truth is, mightydog, that Squid is quite a good spinner. I believe that Advanced Spinning (an accelerated course for sure) is a requirement at the motel off of Floyd Street.


And I believe based on your screen name that the TRUTH is an accelerated course offered on Winslow rd? Yeah right, the problem we have with you Truth, is you spew opinions and not truth. As I have said in previous posts, if you want to spread "truth" then lets see something that can be proven, from someone other than Dux.

[Squid]

Thank you for the somewhat begrudging admission that I post facts.

Oh, you definitely post the occasional fact - I've always acknowledged that. It's just that having to sift through five paragraphs of speculation, innuendo, and rumor to find the odd fact is a chore. It would be easier to shoehorn Shaquille O'Neal's foot into a size 6 glass slipper than it is to sort through the fluff in most of your posts. It's like reading a story in the National Enquirer, without the credibility.

I would still be interested in evidence supporting your thesis that I present opinion as fact.

Asking me to dynamite fish in a rain barrell hardly seems sporting.

I don't recall posting any tales of woe ...

Are you off your medication again? Talk about a selective memory ...

It was much different in the olden days when Ashland High School (PGBHS wasn't "invented" yet) was winning those championships

Oh yeah - I forgot. Tell me the story again - about how you carried OJ Mayo's gym bag for him on that snowy night, when he was in the seventh grade. Great memories, I'm sure.

[LIB MRDux]

[quote=Truth]The truth is, mightydog, that Squid is quite a good spinner. I believe that Advanced Spinning (an accelerated course for sure) is a requirement at the motel off of Floyd Street.


And I believe based on your screen name that the TRUTH is an accelerated course offered on Winslow rd? Yeah right, the problem we have with you Truth, is you spew opinions and not truth. As I have said in previous posts, if you want to spread "truth" then lets see something that can be proven, from someone other than Dux.

See you bring me in this when I was actually trying to follow the thread and what it was designed for, instead you continue to beat the dead horse. The thread was titled 16th region 2009/10. Instead it has become another pi$$ing contest. Nothing wrong with airing laundry in the right forum in my opinion. All you do is take away from the topic at hand. Of course your participation in the contest obviously means you have something else in your hand, although I doubt it's full.

[Truth]

As usual, Squid, you have no rebuttal- just a bit of reconstituted hot air.

Since I am not likely to get an intelligent response from Squid, I'll second LIB MRDux's motion that we return to the subject at hand. After all the "musical chairs" movement in the district, I'll rate the region as Fairview, East Carter, Ashland, Elliott County, Greenup County. It is quite interesting that the starting lineups of the top three are partially made up of former varsity players at Rose Hill. I'm sure it is just a coincidence.

Still, this is a weak region and the winner will likely play one game at Rupp Arena. these schools need to play more difficult schedules. You don't get better hiding in your own area as is the case with the "top three".

[Jarons]

How about some basketball talk. I am sick of reading about the Ashland/Rose Hill argument

[Squid]

As usual, Squid, you have no rebuttal- just a bit of reconstituted hot air.

That's a shame. I was really hoping to get your approval. When you produce a coherent, fact based argument, I'll be glad to rebut it. As long as you simply sing your unending love song for OJ Mayo, and slur everyone else in the 16th region, I'll just call you on it.

... I'll second LIB MRDux's motion that we return to the subject at hand.

Isn't that odd. I would have sworn it was you that drug us back into the deep end of the "everybody hates Rose Hill" pool. Judging by your last statement about the 16th, it's hard to understand why anyone would ever root any team you support.

After all the "musical chairs" movement in the district, I'll rate the region as Fairview, East Carter, Ashland, Elliott County, Greenup County. It is quite interesting that the starting lineups of the top three are partially made up of former varsity players at Rose Hill. I'm sure it is just a coincidence.

How coincidental was it that Rose Hill was at its peak when it had an entire roster of kids from the other area schools?

Still, this is a weak region and the winner will likely play one game at Rupp Arena. these schools need to play more difficult schedules. You don't get better hiding in your own area as is the case with the "top three".

Apparently, that Dale Carnegie course was a little too tough for you. You continue to badmouth the kids of the 16th region, and whining about how no one likes Rose Hill. If Ashland makes it out of the region, I'll be rooting for them. The same goes for Fairview, East Carter, or anyone else. You, on the other hand, look like you'll be buying a voodoo doll, stabbing it in the ankle with a knitting needle, and praying for the swine flu to reduce anyone other than Rose Hill to nothing but subs.

[Squid]

How about some basketball talk. I am sick of reading about the Ashland/Rose Hill argument

Well, we made it 47 posts before the car went into the ditch. I'll apologize for my part, but I have no intention of sitting by while someone badmouths my school, much less the whole 16th region.

Again though, I'll apologize for my part in the hijacking of the thread.

[LIB MRDux]

Well, we made it 47 posts before the car went into the ditch. I'll apologize for my part, but I have no intention of sitting by while someone badmouths my school, much less the whole 16th region.

Again though, I'll apologize for my part in the hijacking of the thread.

Here, I'll try and right the ship. Here's an interesting rumor I have caught wind of lately. I have heard on fairly good authority that Bath Co. has received a couple of transfers that, according to my source, will be "significant" for them. Of course, my source had lots wrapped up in ENRON not long ago, so who knows? Does this sound like something anyone from that area code has also heard chirping about?

[Jarons]

What does Raceland have? Any chance of making noise?

[Truth]

Wow. All schools need athletic supporters such as Squid. As for finding sinister plots against his favorites, he would remind one of Don Quixote. Be careful of the windmills, Squid.

And, whether we like it or not, it is highly unlikely that any 16th Region school can compete with the better regions. That is just being realistic. But, then, I don't believe in attacking windmills.

[theaccountdoctor]

Wow. All schools need athletic supporters such as Squid. As for finding sinister plots against his favorites, he would remind one of Don Quixote. Be careful of the windmills, Squid.

And, whether we like it or not, it is highly unlikely that any 16th Region school can compete with the better regions. That is just being realistic. But, then, I don't believe in attacking windmills.

Cannot believe you guys are talking about these kids not being able to compete if they win the region. This may be true but I think any team that moves on we should encourage and hope that they can win a game. Yes the 16th may be weak in your opinion but dont you think every school would want to be 16th region champs. Maybe we should just cancel the season since Rose Hill could not keep their team together and they were the only ones that could advance.:please:
I am sure Mr Watkins loves it when his own supporters are saying they are going to be a doormat. I guess since the big guns are gone no one cares about the kids that are out there busting there butt for the school. Well a lot of us will support those that stayed whether you gool ol boys from the Hill cut them down and make fun of them.

[Truth]

Cannot believe you guys are talking about these kids not being able to compete if they win the region. This may be true but I think any team that moves on we should encourage and hope that they can win a game. Yes the 16th may be weak in your opinion but dont you think every school would want to be 16th region champs. Maybe we should just cancel the season since Rose Hill could not keep their team together and they were the only ones that could advance.:please:
I am sure Mr Watkins loves it when his own supporters are saying they are going to be a doormat. I guess since the big guns are gone no one cares about the kids that are out there busting there butt for the school. Well a lot of us will support those that stayed whether you gool ol boys from the Hill cut them down and make fun of them.

Supporting your locals is admirable. Being unrealistic is not. Set reasonable goals. Winning this region is a good goal for the better teams. Going deep into the state tournament is not. It may not be "touchy, feely" but it is the real world. To expect what is not likely to occur is to put added and unneeded pressure on the participants.