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10-10-2009, 01:21 AM
WOW.........what's the story behind this score?
10-10-2009, 01:23 AM
Very nice win for Paintsville
10-10-2009, 12:06 PM
rajon Wrote:Has the Tigers fallen to Betsy Layne and South Floyd's level, I look for some major changes at the Ville next year...Is it coaching or talent?
10-10-2009, 12:07 PM
I would say this is kinners last year i like the man but he can't relate to his players. that is what is killing us the boys just don't want to play for him he has taken the fun out of football. talent wise we should be alot better than this but the kids aren't motivated.
10-10-2009, 12:12 PM
Also that stupid spread offense is killing us people complain about our line but they are big boys they arent pass blockers they want to run block the whole team is set up to be a wishbone team that is what we should run sorry if im old fashoined.
10-10-2009, 02:50 PM
I think Paintsville is doing what they can w/ what ability they have. Being a small school you have your up and down years.
10-10-2009, 05:40 PM
mommaknowsbest Wrote:I think Paintsville is doing what they can w/ what ability they have. Being a small school you have your up and down years.
Well if that's the case, then they have been down ever since the 2005 season. David Lemaster got the most out of the players he had, given he didn't have the most talent year in and year out, they were always competitive and fun to watch.
Back to the game, congratulations to the Tigers.
10-10-2009, 07:20 PM
IRISH4 Wrote:Well if that's the case, then they have been down ever since the 2005 season. David Lemaster got the most out of the players he had, given he didn't have the most talent year in and year out, they were always competitive and fun to watch.
Back to the game, congratulations to the Tigers.
In the 2005 season B.M.R was the coach and they went 10-3 to lose against Somerset in the regional title game by 6. I don't think they were down that year.
10-10-2009, 07:44 PM
BlueStripes Wrote:In the 2005 season B.M.R was the coach and they went 10-3 to lose against Somerset in the regional title game by 6. I don't think they were down that year.I think IRISH4 said ever since the 2005 season...which means after the completion of that season. That would include the 2006, '07, '08 and the current football seasons. The 2005 year was a good year for Paintsville.
10-10-2009, 11:46 PM
Jason aint goin nowhere. What is it with people? The fans and players weren't happy with coach Allen, now they aren't happy with Jason??? What's the deal? I don't think its the coaches. As far as the comment about our line being big and not pass blockers, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. In 2002, Breathitt County's offensive line was HUGE, prolly averaged 6'3" 270. Guess what, they were a PASSING team because they had big hogs up front to protect their QB. Paintsville's line is big, which is even more of a reason for them to be able to protect the QB and open up holes when they run the ball. YOu say all they wanna do is run the ball, isn't Nehemiah leading the state in rushin, I think so. I've seen many practices, if you think these boys arent motivated and excited to play then you're wrong. Yes they may not be as mean as some players on other teams, but you cant teach/coach that, that's up to the player himself. Ryan Brown (PHS class of 2003) was the meanist player I EVER played with or against cause he refused to let the man across from him outplay him, you can't teach that. As far as this game being close, I think Paintsville lost 3-4 fumbles. Betsy Lane had 14 total yards at halftime, FOURTEEN TOTAL YARDS, and scored 14 points. Turnovers are part of the game, and I don't think that was Coach Kinner out there runnin the ball, he's not the one who fumbled so why blame him.
Notre Dame Football…GO IRISH
10-11-2009, 12:01 AM
Redneck Wrote:Jason aint goin nowhere. What is it with people? The fans and players weren't happy with coach Allen, now they aren't happy with Jason??? What's the deal? I don't think its the coaches. As far as the comment about our line being big and not pass blockers, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. In 2002, Breathitt County's offensive line was HUGE, prolly averaged 6'3" 270. Guess what, they were a PASSING team because they had big hogs up front to protect their QB. Paintsville's line is big, which is even more of a reason for them to be able to protect the QB and open up holes when they run the ball. YOu say all they wanna do is run the ball, isn't Nehemiah leading the state in rushin, I think so. I've seen many practices, if you think these boys arent motivated and excited to play then you're wrong. Yes they may not be as mean as some players on other teams, but you cant teach/coach that, that's up to the player himself. Ryan Brown (PHS class of 2003) was the meanist player I EVER played with or against cause he refused to let the man across from him outplay him, you can't teach that. As far as this game being close, I think Paintsville lost 3-4 fumbles. Betsy Lane had 14 total yards at halftime, FOURTEEN TOTAL YARDS, and scored 14 points. Turnovers are part of the game, and I don't think that was Coach Kinner out there runnin the ball, he's not the one who fumbled so why blame him.Im not blaming him for that he is a good coach but he just can't relate to the boys. I hope we keep him but i think he is gone after this year because he expects every player to be as good as he was he is to harsh on them. ask a player about the scolding they got after the P-Burg game. Verbally reprimanding players is normal but he is taking it to a different level. just ask one of them about it i promise u will be surprised. and for your calling me stupid about the line if you notice the vast majority of what goes wrong is in the passing game. Matt is good but he is still a freshman. we need to run it more and line up in formations that give our line a shot to block the opponents because right now all teams have to do is blitz with 5 guys and they get a sack or force a pick. last night was the first one of our games i haven't watched and the same things keep killing us and the boys are less and less motivated every time.And btw im friends with most of the people on the team I know this from first hand accounts this isn't a bunch of crap he may know football but he needs to be willing to learn how to handle these guys.
10-11-2009, 12:14 AM
Coach Kinner is a champion. He knows what it takes to win.
10-11-2009, 04:12 AM
rajon Wrote:Has the Tigers fallen to Betsy Layne and South Floyd's level, I look for some major changes at the Ville next year...
Fallen to BL & SF's level? Dang boy, u r 25-30 miles down the road from each, you think your people is that much higher than their people? And how do you pronouce Bologna? A lot of people in EKY eat bolonnie, i guess u eat Bologna. Just b/c u have ville in your name does not mean u r at a higher level than anyone else. Like i have always said, those that come from further up the holler always think they r better than others. Good Luck BL & SF. BTW AC is from the holler as well...and i seen where the ville got beat by AC, what was the deal there, how much of a level did u fall then? Every team has good years and bad, so suck it up, BL, SF, AC just may be on the rise, and the ville on the down hill side.
10-11-2009, 10:22 AM
Colonels Fan Wrote:Fallen to BL & SF's level? Dang boy, u r 25-30 miles down the road from each, you think your people is that much higher than their people? And how do you pronouce Bologna? A lot of people in EKY eat bolonnie, i guess u eat Bologna. Just b/c u have ville in your name does not mean u r at a higher level than anyone else. Like i have always said, those that come from further up the holler always think they r better than others. Good Luck BL & SF. BTW AC is from the holler as well...and i seen where the ville got beat by AC, what was the deal there, how much of a level did u fall then? Every team has good years and bad, so suck it up, BL, SF, AC just may be on the rise, and the ville on the down hill side.:lmao::Thumbs:
10-11-2009, 11:03 AM
PaintsvilleTigerfan Wrote:Im not blaming him for that he is a good coach but he just can't relate to the boys. I hope we keep him but i think he is gone after this year because he expects every player to be as good as he was he is to harsh on them. ask a player about the scolding they got after the P-Burg game. Verbally reprimanding players is normal but he is taking it to a different level. just ask one of them about it i promise u will be surprised. and for your calling me stupid about the line if you notice the vast majority of what goes wrong is in the passing game. Matt is good but he is still a freshman. we need to run it more and line up in formations that give our line a shot to block the opponents because right now all teams have to do is blitz with 5 guys and they get a sack or force a pick. last night was the first one of our games i haven't watched and the same things keep killing us and the boys are less and less motivated every time.And btw im friends with most of the people on the team I know this from first hand accounts this isn't a bunch of crap he may know football but he needs to be willing to learn how to handle these guys.
I never called you stupid, I said your comment was one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. HARSH??? You nor none of these boys know what harsh is. I hope he showed no mercy to them after the Pburg game the way they played. Jason is nowhere near as hard on these boys than what Coach Runyon was with ALL his teams. Coach Runyon got everything out of his players and that's why they were succussful year in year out. I played for him and wouldn't have had it any other way. You obviously don't know anything about football or pass blockin. If a team sends 5 after the QB, guess what, that's 5 against 5, and in most cases it's more than likely 6 against 5 cause the RB stays to block. In your opinion, how is Coach Kinner suppose to handle this group since you know so much about it?
Notre Dame Football…GO IRISH
10-11-2009, 12:36 PM
BL had 5 Turnovers. Paintsville had 4 turnovers. Three of BL's was in the 1st quarter.
Can't blame Paintsville turnovers for the reason of the game.
Can't blame Paintsville turnovers for the reason of the game.
10-11-2009, 12:40 PM
Brugh, Runyon, and Adkins all got the best out of their players, and I can guarantee that they were all tougher on kids than Kinner is. The problem now, is that kids don't know how to deal with things that coaches say to them. They don't try and turn the scolding into motivation. Instead they view it as disrespect and want to quit. Times have changed I guess. Brugh won 280 games, Runyon won 531 games, and Adkins won over 800. They were doing something right weren't they?
10-11-2009, 12:45 PM
Redneck Wrote:I never called you stupid, I said your comment was one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. HARSH??? You nor none of these boys know what harsh is. I hope he showed no mercy to them after the Pburg game the way they played. Jason is nowhere near as hard on these boys than what Coach Runyon was with ALL his teams. Coach Runyon got everything out of his players and that's why they were succussful year in year out. I played for him and wouldn't have had it any other way. You obviously don't know anything about football or pass blockin. If a team sends 5 after the QB, guess what, that's 5 against 5, and in most cases it's more than likely 6 against 5 cause the RB stays to block. In your opinion, how is Coach Kinner suppose to handle this group since you know so much about it?First off he needs to admit his mistakes. mainly the offense we run if it wasnt for Nehemiah Or Dyllon always being able to get out a bad situation we would be screwed right now. The spread is not a good offense for us i think that has been proven. And to handle this group he needs to realise that most of them arent going to be as good as he was. He needs to get the best out of them not the best that he expects them to be if that make sense. and about the O-Line comment when we are pass blosckin at least one of our linemen will miss his block usually the center or the right tackle its not their fault they just arent fast enough to be able to pass block.and idc what you say it requires speed especially for the tackle to get in position for a fast DE. Size does not mean you can pass block.
10-11-2009, 01:14 PM
Paintsville made a big mistake when it let David Lemaster go and replaced him with one-and-done BMR as head coach. One of the reasons for Paintsville's traditional success in football, baseball, and basketball was continuity in its coaching staffs. You cannot build and maintain a strong program by changing coaches every two or three years. Ask JC how that worked out for them.
Paintsville needs to get behind its coach and let him make adjustments that are needed. If the program continues to decline, then a coaching change can be debated later. In the meantime, I believe that Paintsville is still competing for a good playoff seed.
It is about time that teams like Allen Central and Betsy Layne begin competing on a higher level in football. They have always had the athletes to compete. Paintsville should not mistake the improvement in those programs for a collapse of the Tigers' own program.
Paintsville needs to get behind its coach and let him make adjustments that are needed. If the program continues to decline, then a coaching change can be debated later. In the meantime, I believe that Paintsville is still competing for a good playoff seed.
It is about time that teams like Allen Central and Betsy Layne begin competing on a higher level in football. They have always had the athletes to compete. Paintsville should not mistake the improvement in those programs for a collapse of the Tigers' own program.
10-11-2009, 02:45 PM
I would like coach lemaster to return. it is possible but not likely lol. he still works for the school hes at every game i would like to see paintsville get him back. And alot of the boys that play football for Kinner Played BBall for runyon and they say he treats them worse okay this is coming from players who where coached by both.idt we should get rid of kinner but he is going to have to change some to suit modern players.
10-11-2009, 02:51 PM
PaintsvilleTigerfan Wrote:I would like coach lemaster to return. it is possible but not likely lol. he still works for the school hes at every game i would like to see paintsville get him back. And alot of the boys that play football for Kinner Played BBall for runyon and they say he treats them worse okay this is coming from players who where coached by both.idt we should get rid of kinner but he is going to have to change some to suit modern players.:zzz:
10-11-2009, 02:53 PM
Pupaw Wrote:Brugh, Runyon, and Adkins all got the best out of their players, and I can guarantee that they were all tougher on kids than Kinner is. The problem now, is that kids don't know how to deal with things that coaches say to them. They don't try and turn the scolding into motivation. Instead they view it as disrespect and want to quit. Times have changed I guess. Brugh won 280 games, Runyon won 531 games, and Adkins won over 800. They were doing something right weren't they?But, but, but my parents think I'm the best so I should get the ball.
10-11-2009, 06:33 PM
PaintsvilleTigerfan Wrote:First off he needs to admit his mistakes. mainly the offense we run if it wasnt for Nehemiah Or Dyllon always being able to get out a bad situation we would be screwed right now. The spread is not a good offense for us i think that has been proven. And to handle this group he needs to realise that most of them arent going to be as good as he was. He needs to get the best out of them not the best that he expects them to be if that make sense. and about the O-Line comment when we are pass blosckin at least one of our linemen will miss his block usually the center or the right tackle its not their fault they just arent fast enough to be able to pass block.and idc what you say it requires speed especially for the tackle to get in position for a fast DE. Size does not mean you can pass block.
No that doesn't make sense. How do you expect to get the best out of a player if you aren't a little hard on them and push them to be a better player? Should you pamper them and give them candy if they make a good play? Too many kids are babied these days and when something gets hard for them, they quit. There is nothing wrong with the coaching or the offense...they just need to show up to play ball and do what they are taught to do. The talent is there, the coaching is there they just need to stop making excuses and play! They had a couple rough games and I look for them to step back up and play like they can!
10-11-2009, 08:24 PM
The answer i would like to have. Is if Kinners record after 2 years is the same or worse than Allens. Hasnt the firing of Allen set the bar for what it takes to keep/loose your job at paintsville. Anyway best of luck to the tigers ret of the year!
10-11-2009, 08:25 PM
Wow this is really a sign of where the Paintsville program is headed. Paintsville the last couple of years has been really struggling to compete at the level they once did. I think this is a group effort from top to bottom. This really starts with the coaching and how the players are prepared each week. First the offense Paintsville is trying to run this year makes them more vulnerable for being very up and down in production. First off they have team speed to speak of what so ever, yet they are trying to mimic the offense of Florida which has the elite players in the country. I want you to turn on the TV on a saturday and tell me how many teams run the Florida style offense? You will see very few teams running this system because they don't have the players to be effective on a day in day out basis, this to me looks like what's happening to Paintsville. Secondly, I feel that the coaching staff really doesn't understand the complexity of the offense and therefore aren't able to make the adjustments to different schemes they might face. To me I think it would make more sense to run a more power style offense like Phil Haywood, Jim Matney, or even Chuke Williams have done for many years. Of the names I've mentioned what do they have in common? One might answer this question by saying success. I think Paintsville needs to find good young mind who has a system that he knows inside and out, this makes more sense then running something that doesn't suit your players.
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