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06-26-2009, 02:10 PM
Joe Friday Are you saying that Mr. Hancock cannot coach at High School anymore? Thought the board of education was changing this.
You are right Mr. Hancock work hard for the kids like other is just there for the money you don't sit back and loose kids like Shepherd and Kidd and Jones. I talk to Coach Hancock and he said if he was the head coach he would have been at there door asking them why they where leaving and if they was anything he could do keep them from leaving. They told me that they had not been contacted by anyone at AC asking them to stay.
One other thing that is killing AC basketball they have no summer program at all the other teams are playing game and getting better AC has done nothing and you cannot build your program like this. And these girls said that is one of the reason they look esle where that they wanted to get better.
My girls will not be attending AC either after they leave the middle school if things does not change.
And Mr. Martin needs support yes he does for sure but he will not get this because he is not a people person and Sis Hall will tell you that. Martin got to change before he is going to get any support at all. I can recall Mr. Hancock going down to the High School and trying to help Mr. Martin with the girls team and my daugther was there also and Mr. Martin say right in front of Hancock " IF YOU ALL HAD A MIDDLE SCHOOL COACH I WOULD NOT HAVE TO SHOW THIS" and Hancock took it until he had enough. Martin could be a good coach but he is got to change some of his ways.
You are right Mr. Hancock work hard for the kids like other is just there for the money you don't sit back and loose kids like Shepherd and Kidd and Jones. I talk to Coach Hancock and he said if he was the head coach he would have been at there door asking them why they where leaving and if they was anything he could do keep them from leaving. They told me that they had not been contacted by anyone at AC asking them to stay.
One other thing that is killing AC basketball they have no summer program at all the other teams are playing game and getting better AC has done nothing and you cannot build your program like this. And these girls said that is one of the reason they look esle where that they wanted to get better.
My girls will not be attending AC either after they leave the middle school if things does not change.
And Mr. Martin needs support yes he does for sure but he will not get this because he is not a people person and Sis Hall will tell you that. Martin got to change before he is going to get any support at all. I can recall Mr. Hancock going down to the High School and trying to help Mr. Martin with the girls team and my daugther was there also and Mr. Martin say right in front of Hancock " IF YOU ALL HAD A MIDDLE SCHOOL COACH I WOULD NOT HAVE TO SHOW THIS" and Hancock took it until he had enough. Martin could be a good coach but he is got to change some of his ways.
06-26-2009, 04:07 PM
t4p3r8 Wrote:Something you must keep in mind is you can apparently play summer ball anywhere and still end up some place else. Wait till August when school is back in session and see where everyone ends up. Even that can change before basketball season.
Have any of these girls actually enrolled in the schools where they've been playing summer ball?
06-26-2009, 04:45 PM
The Board has nothing to do with high school coaching qualifications - it is the KHSAA. A 'coach' must have a minimum of 64 credit hours of college or can be an approved substitute teacher - that is for a level 2. He would have to be a certified teacher and member of the regular school system to be a level 1. Member schools of the KHSAA were trying to get that changed because across the state, there are not enough qualified coaches in the school system but the Kentucky Department of Education didn't approve the proposal. Coach Hancock can coach at the Middle School because the KHSAA does not govern middle schools. The rule the Board changed is that a 'coach' could be a retired certified teacher to coach, before in order to coach basketball and football, you had to be a full time employee. Coach Hancock can still help at the high school but only as a volunteer.
Coach Turner has been working with the girls this summer. It is now the mandatory High School 2 week dead period. She is getting married in July and is busy making preparations for her big day.
It is the parents who decide where their kids attend school. The coach can not make that decision for them.
Coach Turner has been working with the girls this summer. It is now the mandatory High School 2 week dead period. She is getting married in July and is busy making preparations for her big day.
It is the parents who decide where their kids attend school. The coach can not make that decision for them.
06-27-2009, 11:53 AM
Joe Friday Wrote:The Board has nothing to do with high school coaching qualifications - it is the KHSAA. A 'coach' must have a minimum of 64 credit hours of college or can be an approved substitute teacher - that is for a level 2. He would have to be a certified teacher and member of the regular school system to be a level 1. Member schools of the KHSAA were trying to get that changed because across the state, there are not enough qualified coaches in the school system but the Kentucky Department of Education didn't approve the proposal. Coach Hancock can coach at the Middle School because the KHSAA does not govern middle schools. The rule the Board changed is that a 'coach' could be a retired certified teacher to coach, before in order to coach basketball and football, you had to be a full time employee. Coach Hancock can still help at the high school but only as a volunteer.
Coach Turner has been working with the girls this summer. It is now the mandatory High School 2 week dead period. She is getting married in July and is busy making preparations for her big day.
It is the parents who decide where their kids attend school. The coach can not make that decision for them.
I think it is great that Coach Turner has been working with her team this summer as all coaches should. Yeah it is common sense, it is the parents who decide where their kids attend school but the coach and basketball program could play a role in why they are leaving not everyone elses fault.
06-27-2009, 03:11 PM
little rebel woman Wrote:Joe Friday Are you saying that Mr. Hancock cannot coach at High School anymore? Thought the board of education was changing this.I am curious as to what you feel specifically needs to be changed at the high school? You say you have two children at the middle school, is your concern academics or athletics? I know for a fact that Coach Turner has had open gym but it is the parents' responsibility to get their players there and support the coach in her efforts to build the team and the program - what else can she do?
You are right Mr. Hancock work hard for the kids like other is just there for the money you don't sit back and loose kids like Shepherd and Kidd and Jones. I talk to Coach Hancock and he said if he was the head coach he would have been at there door asking them why they where leaving and if they was anything he could do keep them from leaving. They told me that they had not been contacted by anyone at AC asking them to stay.
One other thing that is killing AC basketball they have no summer program at all the other teams are playing game and getting better AC has done nothing and you cannot build your program like this. And these girls said that is one of the reason they look esle where that they wanted to get better.
My girls will not be attending AC either after they leave the middle school if things does not change.
And Mr. Martin needs support yes he does for sure but he will not get this because he is not a people person and Sis Hall will tell you that. Martin got to change before he is going to get any support at all. I can recall Mr. Hancock going down to the High School and trying to help Mr. Martin with the girls team and my daugther was there also and Mr. Martin say right in front of Hancock " IF YOU ALL HAD A MIDDLE SCHOOL COACH I WOULD NOT HAVE TO SHOW THIS" and Hancock took it until he had enough. Martin could be a good coach but he is got to change some of his ways.
06-28-2009, 08:01 PM
Coach Turner was asked to coach with a long-term commitment to build the girls' basketball program. As a matter of fact, a parent of one of the girls rumored to be leaving made the suggestion that she should be hired as the coach.
You are right, the program does belong to the coach and she is more than willing to do whatever she can to develop this program to be competitive, like the days when she played. Considering that none of the faculty signed up to be the coach and none will assist her as a coach, I think she is doing as well as can be expected at this time. In your opinion, what should she do?
What do you mean by "coach and basketball program could play a role in why they are leaving not everyone elses fault"? What was Coach Turner supposed to do? She wanted those girls to continue playing at ACHS and thought they would, then in May heard they were leaving. Why would a coach feel the need to 'recruit' girls who were already playing on the team and in the high school's feeder school?
You are right, the program does belong to the coach and she is more than willing to do whatever she can to develop this program to be competitive, like the days when she played. Considering that none of the faculty signed up to be the coach and none will assist her as a coach, I think she is doing as well as can be expected at this time. In your opinion, what should she do?
What do you mean by "coach and basketball program could play a role in why they are leaving not everyone elses fault"? What was Coach Turner supposed to do? She wanted those girls to continue playing at ACHS and thought they would, then in May heard they were leaving. Why would a coach feel the need to 'recruit' girls who were already playing on the team and in the high school's feeder school?
06-28-2009, 10:21 PM
justafan1 Wrote:I think it is great that Coach Turner has been working with her team this summer as all coaches should. Yeah it is common sense, it is the parents who decide where their kids attend school but the coach and basketball program could play a role in why they are leaving not everyone elses fault.Coach Turner was asked to coach with a long-term commitment to build the girls' basketball program. As a matter of fact, a parent of one of the girls rumored to be leaving made the suggestion that she should be hired as the coach.
You are right, the program does belong to the coach and she is more than willing to do whatever she can to develop this program to be competitive, like the days when she played. Considering that none of the faculty signed up to be the coach and none will assist her as a coach, I think she is doing as well as can be expected at this time. In your opinion, what should she do?
What do you mean by "coach and basketball program could play a role in why they are leaving not everyone elses fault"? What was Coach Turner supposed to do? She wanted those girls to continue playing at ACHS and thought they would, then in May heard they were leaving. Why would a coach feel the need to 'recruit' girls who were already playing on the team and in the high school's feeder school?
06-28-2009, 11:16 PM
How many games has AC play this summer none as I know of. This may not be Coach Turner fault the school may not have money for the bus for them go play summer ball but all the other teams has played 20 games or more. But one other sport at the school go where ever they want to play. I am done with the High School my kids will stay at the middle school but will go some where esle to play high school. Wish Coach Hancock would get the Piarist job I am sure all these girls would go there and play for him I know mind would.
Wish Coach Turner the best but it will be a long year for her.
Wish Coach Turner the best but it will be a long year for her.
06-29-2009, 12:06 AM
Joe Friday Wrote:Coach Turner was asked to coach with a long-term commitment to build the girls' basketball program. As a matter of fact, a parent of one of the girls rumored to be leaving made the suggestion that she should be hired as the coach.
You are right, the program does belong to the coach and she is more than willing to do whatever she can to develop this program to be competitive, like the days when she played. Considering that none of the faculty signed up to be the coach and none will assist her as a coach, I think she is doing as well as can be expected at this time. In your opinion, what should she do?
What do you mean by "coach and basketball program could play a role in why they are leaving not everyone elses fault"? What was Coach Turner supposed to do? She wanted those girls to continue playing at ACHS and thought they would, then in May heard they were leaving. Why would a coach feel the need to 'recruit' girls who were already playing on the team and in the high school's feeder school?
Was any of the faculty given the opportunity to sign up to be the coach or to assist her???
To reply to the above quote....It seems that everyone else (such as Coach Hancock and Coach Martin) is getting the blame for all of the problems and the girls leaving when it could be the coach and the way the basketball program is being run as to why they are leaving. Maybe they are not happy with the coaching and the program as to why they are leaving is what I am suggesting instead of blaming so many other individuals. Like you said, why would she feel that she needed to "recruit" them to play when they had already played on the high school team for several years. I just find it strange that after several years of playing on the high school team that 3 girls decide to transfer. The girls basketball program has went through 3 coaches within the past several years and you can't build a program by hiring just anyone and there should be more concern for the girls.
06-29-2009, 03:13 AM
From everything that I have read and heard is that Coach Turner has done a good job with the girls team and that all the girls liked her. I agree with the fact of why should the coach go beg players to stay and play at a school they have played at and been in the feeder system of the school.
Also I thought that the ACHS girls were suppose to go to Georgetown for camp and only 3 or 4 wanted to go. I know that the summer is an important time but how can you play a 5 on 5 game with 3 or 4 girls.
Some other things that I have heard is that Mark Martin wont let go of the girls team after he got the boys job. From the sounds of it he is trying to coach both teams instead of focusing one, and all that is doing is tearing the girls apart and underminding Coach Turner and her system.
Also I thought that the ACHS girls were suppose to go to Georgetown for camp and only 3 or 4 wanted to go. I know that the summer is an important time but how can you play a 5 on 5 game with 3 or 4 girls.
Some other things that I have heard is that Mark Martin wont let go of the girls team after he got the boys job. From the sounds of it he is trying to coach both teams instead of focusing one, and all that is doing is tearing the girls apart and underminding Coach Turner and her system.
06-29-2009, 06:23 AM
little rebel woman Wrote:How many games has AC play this summer none as I know of. This may not be Coach Turner fault the school may not have money for the bus for them go play summer ball but all the other teams has played 20 games or more. But one other sport at the school go where ever they want to play. I am done with the High School my kids will stay at the middle school but will go some where esle to play high school. Wish Coach Hancock would get the Piarist job I am sure all these girls would go there and play for him I know mind would.As explained in the post above, Coach Hancock cannot coach at Piarist, it too is governed by the KHSAA. Whoever is giving you your information is woefully misinformed. If you have concerns or questions, speak to someone at the high school who can give you the correct answer. As for one 'sport at school going where ever they want to play,' all sports have the same amount of money to spend in their 'budget' but it is the parents who support the boosters that make it possible for any team to go 'where ever they want to play' (just like at the middle school). Sounds like you support the middle school team to go 'where ever they want to play' if all the high school parents did the same, that team would be a whole lot better off.
Wish Coach Turner the best but it will be a long year for her.
Fact is, if the girls don't show up to play summer ball, it is hard to play games.
06-29-2009, 09:59 PM
justafan1 Wrote:Was any of the faculty given the opportunity to sign up to be the coach or to assist her???At ACHS all athletic coach positions (including dance team, cheerleading, etc.) and academic extracurricular teams (Academic Team, TAG, BETA, etc.) are offered to the faculty. A list is sent from teacher to teacher, they can sign up for whatever they are interested in coaching. The list is distributed every year. If no one signs up, as in the case of girls basketball last year, a Level 1 coach outside the high school is sought. As stated in a previous post, Coach Turner was hired with long-term commitment to the girls' basketball program in order to give it the stability you and others have said it needs.
To reply to the above quote....It seems that everyone else (such as Coach Hancock and Coach Martin) is getting the blame for all of the problems and the girls leaving when it could be the coach and the way the basketball program is being run as to why they are leaving. Maybe they are not happy with the coaching and the program as to why they are leaving is what I am suggesting instead of blaming so many other individuals. Like you said, why would she feel that she needed to "recruit" them to play when they had already played on the high school team for several years. I just find it strange that after several years of playing on the high school team that 3 girls decide to transfer. The girls basketball program has went through 3 coaches within the past several years and you can't build a program by hiring just anyone and there should be more concern for the girls.
Have there been complaints about the coaching or staff? Apparently, no one knows why these girls are leaving, except the parents.
06-29-2009, 10:22 PM
I wish Coach Turner and the Lady Rebs the best....I feel that they have a long way to go.
Sitting in the bleachers as a fan, I don't feel that much coaching took place as I guess is to be expected with a new unexperienced coach. But for some reason the 3 girls that are leaving was not satisfied playing at ACHS. I wish them the best!
Sitting in the bleachers as a fan, I don't feel that much coaching took place as I guess is to be expected with a new unexperienced coach. But for some reason the 3 girls that are leaving was not satisfied playing at ACHS. I wish them the best!
06-30-2009, 01:33 AM
Justafan1 how can you say you sit in the bleachers and not see much coaching? Were you sitting in the bleachers of the boys games instead of the girls games? From everything I saw coach Turner did the best she could with what she had and had the team going in the right direction. Coach Turner and the girls that played for her finished with more wins than the previous season under a so called experinced coach. And Coach Turner did it all with underclassmen that for the most part had little playing experiance.
I know that 3 girls may leave or is leaving and this could be proof that Mark Martin tore this team apart because he couldn't let go.
As a fan sitting in the bleachers for many years the job that was done with the boys last year at ACHS ranks as the the worse coaching performance ever. The best coaching that went on last year was when Coach Martin stopped trying to coach and just let the boys play.
I know that 3 girls may leave or is leaving and this could be proof that Mark Martin tore this team apart because he couldn't let go.
As a fan sitting in the bleachers for many years the job that was done with the boys last year at ACHS ranks as the the worse coaching performance ever. The best coaching that went on last year was when Coach Martin stopped trying to coach and just let the boys play.
06-30-2009, 06:40 AM
rebel yell Wrote:People, if you don't know what you are talking about why post on here. First of all Mark Martin is the boys coach and was the boys coach last year, why blame him for trouble with the girls team last year. I guess there is still people mourning over Johnny Martin and going to continue to blame Mark Martin for everything that happens up there. Maybe Coach Turner is to blame for the girls leaving, maybe she doesn't know how to coach or how to community with the girls or something, why blame someone else, put the blame where it belongs. Yes she played basketball in high school, but that doesn't qualify her to coach. So why don't you people leave this alone and get over the fact that Johnny is gone and move on. If the faculty, staff, students and parents of AC don't get their act together the sports programs and the whole entire school is going to continue to get worse and worse. Grow up people, you are suppose to set examples for the children, let your grudges go and quit acting like children yourselves.
I attended AC and I am actually ashamed of things I hear that some of the the faculty and staff are saying about each other. You are suppose to be one group, not divided up, you are all suppose to be there to do what is best for the students, why can't you do that instead of backstabbing each other.
I know Mark Martin and I never knew he was this kind of person. There are all kinds of things you can do as a boys coach to undermine another coach and their team. It doesn't take much and Mark should know this with him being a coach. Mark if you had anything to do to start this mess then you need to step up to the plate and be the person I thought you were, and try to make this right. You are a better person than this. You should be trying to keep peace among the other sports programs at the school. If you started this mess then you can help put an end to it. If these girls think so much of you then why don't you go talk with them and their parents and try to help out instead of putting in between them and their coach. The only ones that win and benefit in this situation is the other schools and coaches that are recruiting your schools players. AC principal needs to get control of this situation. Sounds like it is totally out of control. If this many of your players are leaving to go to other schools then maybe the administration needs to take a serious look at doing something about the situation.
07-01-2009, 02:09 PM
Ol-Dad Wrote:Justafan1 how can you say you sit in the bleachers and not see much coaching? Were you sitting in the bleachers of the boys games instead of the girls games? From everything I saw coach Turner did the best she could with what she had and had the team going in the right direction. Coach Turner and the girls that played for her finished with more wins than the previous season under a so called experinced coach. And Coach Turner did it all with underclassmen that for the most part had little playing experiance.
I know that 3 girls may leave or is leaving and this could be proof that Mark Martin tore this team apart because he couldn't let go.
As a fan sitting in the bleachers for many years the job that was done with the boys last year at ACHS ranks as the the worse coaching performance ever. The best coaching that went on last year was when Coach Martin stopped trying to coach and just let the boys play.
Again, why does Mark Martin always have to be the issue here?? We are talking about the girls program not the boys...GET OVER IT!! Sounds like there is some jealousy here.
07-02-2009, 02:20 PM
I agree, this is nothing but jealousy. Get over it and move on!!!!!
07-02-2009, 09:30 PM
Last year was a difficult time for both coaches, Turner and Martin. There were some misunderstandings and they were addressed by the principal. An assistant coach on the boys' team was the father of one of the players on the girls' team which may have contributed to some of the misunderstandings. This is a new year, both coaches are ready to give their best effort with their respective teams, Martin with the boys and Turner with the girls. Hopefully, all past and present Rebel fans will come out and support the school and the teams - but most importantly the kids of Allen Central.
07-06-2009, 10:28 PM
It will be a challenging year for Coach Turner and the Lady Rebs. I am sure it will be frustrating at times for all concerned but, as the old saying goes, from adversity comes opportunity! No matter what happens they will have a team. It will take a lot of team work and as long as the girls pull together and give 100% they are already winners and can take pride in themselves.
07-07-2009, 12:48 AM
t4p3r8 Wrote:Jones has moved to Paintsville so it appears that she is a lock to leave AC. If Shepherd and Kidd in fact leave will AC have any problems filling a roster and is there any talent left to keep them competitive?
No...I can answer that. You can't lose players like that and expect to be competitive.
This is a big loss for the Girls Basketball team. Allen Central has always had a
very good tradition in Girls Basketball.
07-10-2009, 02:06 PM
okay, okay i know jones is gone for sure am pretty sure about amber too.. but katlin dont know about i hope not.. it would be dumb on her part.. but either the girls will have it rough at first but they can pull together they still have mullins, kinney an cline an erica who have good experiance.. so it would be in kidds best interest to stay but again that is up to her.
09-23-2009, 11:59 PM
t4p3r8 Wrote:Heard from a reliable source that Caitlyn Kidd had returned to Allen Central. Can anyone confirm.
True - confirmed that she is back at AC. She is a great kid (no pun intended) and the Allen Central community is absolutely ecstatic she is back as a Rebel.
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