[FOX SPORTS]

What is up with Obama and the coal industry?

Does he really believe killing coal will help this country?

What will happen with this situation in the long run?

[jetpilot]

Cap-and-trade will kill consumers, business and government. Obama is counting on folks not realizing it is nothing more than a huge tax increase.
He will have to compromise with the cooler heads on this issue IMO.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

Listen guys Obama didnt campaign much in KY and WV and that didnt have anything to do racism like the mainstream media tried to make it out to be. He knew the people in this region werent gonna like what he had to say about coal. What makes me laugh is that Obama run a campaign on buzz words like "Change" and "Hope" when anyone can see that its more of the same politics. Obama made promises to alot of environmental lobbyists in order to get elected and at least has to put up the appearance of trying to "save the environment from the evils of coal". In the end he will realize just as every president did before him that this nation cannot survive without coal and that entire regions of registered voters will be put out of work.

[TidesHoss32]

We hope.

Listen guys Obama didnt campaign much in KY and WV and that didnt have anything to do racism like the mainstream media tried to make it out to be. He knew the people in this region werent gonna like what he had to say about coal. What makes me laugh is that Obama run a campaign on buzz words like "Change" and "Hope" when anyone can see that its more of the same politics. Obama made promises to alot of environmental lobbyists in order to get elected and at least has to put up the appearance of trying to "save the environment from the evils of coal". In the end he will realize just as every president did before him that this nation cannot survive without coal and that entire regions of registered voters will be put out of work.

[outdoorsman43]

Obama has no clue what he is doing.

The people defending him have no clue either.

[TheRealVille]

I don't think he is dead against coal. He just wants clean coal technology used, like scrubbers on powerhouses.

Obama has no clue what he is doing.

The people defending him have no clue either.

Why are the Republicans from Washington on the news as we speak, worried that his "100 day" success is going to hurt the Republican party even more?

[jetpilot]

I don't think he is dead against coal. He just wants clean coal technology used, like scrubbers on powerhouses.

Why are the Republicans from Washington on the news as we speak, worried that his "100 day" success is going to hurt the Republican party even more?

100 day success??? Only 34% of whites think the country is headed in the right direction. And he is for cap-and-trade, a huge tax increase, not just new technology. Get your facts straight.

[TheRealVille]

100 day success??? Only 34% of whites think the country is headed in the right direction. And he is for cap-and-trade, a huge tax increase, not just new technology. Get your facts straight.

Why do you post this? America is a whole, not just white. I love how Republicans pick and choose their statistics. His rating is 68%, the highest since Kennedy.

[jetpilot]

Why do you post this? America is a whole, not just white. I love how Republicans pick and choose their statistics. His rating is 68%, the highest since Kennedy.

Because 99.9% of the people on here are white. And if you are white and approve of where we are headed, you are in the distinct minority of white people. Not a racist statement at all, just posting #s.

[TheRealVille]

Because 99.9% of the people on here are white. And if you are white and approve of where we are headed, you are in the distinct minority of white people. Not a racist statement at all, just posting #s.

What does the statistics from BGR amount to in a natiowide poll? I might be in the minority of white people, but I am in the majority of "American" people, and that is where it counts. All voters.

And on the "cap and trade", you are for letting companies pollute all they want, with no restrictions?

[jetpilot]

What does the statistics from BGR amount to in a natiowide poll? I might be in the minority of white people, but I am in the majority of "American" people, and that is where it counts. All voters.

And on the "cap and trade", you are for letting companies pollute all they want, with no restrictions?

If that makes you feel good, fine...
And I'm not for letting companies pollute all they want. There are much better ways to fight pollution than another huge tax.

[jetpilot]

US Army Corps Asks Court Not To Rehear Mountaintop-Mining Case
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(This article was originally published Tuesday.)


By Mark Peters
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Tuesday asked a federal court not to rehear a closely watched case on mountaintop-removal coal mining, saying it's taking new steps to scrutinize the environmental effects of the practice.
The Obama administration in its first months has moved to toughen regulations of mountaintop removal, by which the tops of mountains are sheared off to gain access to coal seams. But Tuesday's filing in the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Virginia backs up the coal industry, which is fighting an appeal by environmental groups.
The four-year-old federal case focuses on Army Corps permits for the disposal of rock and other material from four proposed mines. Environmental groups say allowing companies to dump the rubble from mountaintop mining in nearby valleys damages water quality and violates the Clean Water Act.
The environmental groups won in district court, but a circuit court panel overturned the ruling in February, setting up the current appeal to the full circuit court.
Lawyers for Army Corps said the case doesn't merit further review because the agency is developing a new tool to analyze the effects of the mining practice on streams in West Virginia. At the same time, the Corps and the Environmental Protection Agency are looking at the overall permitting process.
"Nothing in the opinion will constrain the Corps and EPA in deciding how to analyze permits in the future, which could include additional environmental safeguards," the Army Corps said in its brief.
The Obama administration on Monday sought to reverse a last-minute Bush administration rule that made it easier for companies to dispose of waste from the mining practice. The EPA last month said it would scrutinize more than a hundred mining permits because of concerns over the effects on water quality.
But Jennifer Chavez, an attorney for environmental group Earthjustice, described the administration's approach as "schizophrenic" so far, saying it needs to bring together federal agencies to come up with a coherent policy on mountaintop mining.
"There are a lot of inconsistencies," she said.
Decisions on the mining practice would most greatly affect central Appalachian surface-mining operations, which account for about 10% of U.S. coal production, according to Energy Information Administration data.

-By Mark Peters, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-4604; [email]mark.peters@dowjones.com[/email]

[outdoorsman43]

I don't think he is dead against coal. He just wants clean coal technology used, like scrubbers on powerhouses.

Why are the Republicans from Washington on the news as we speak, worried that his "100 day" success is going to hurt the Republican party even more?

All I want you to do (if it's not too much to ask) is to tell me how Obama has made this country better or has this country going in the right direction. If you can do that, then I will change my political views, switch parties, and become the biggest liberal you have ever seen.

Here is THE reason Obama was voted in office..

- America was so desperate to get a Democrat in office and Obama was by far the best, most believeable speaker of any of the candidates.

Obama, still being the great speaker that he is, continues to deceive Americans into believing that he somehow has everything under control and is doing all of these outrageous acts (ex: shutting down the coal industry) for the betterment of the country. If you look at the big picture you can see that he either has no idea what he is doing or is purposely trying to bring the economy down even lower. I would like to think that the real issue is that he is just clueless.

It is not about Obama being a democrat or about him being black. It is about him slowly making things worse for America.

So please, if you or anyone else can tell me how he is doing his job to make this country a better one, I would absolutely love to know. I don't want to hear how a republican couldn't have done any better, because there is no quick fix to this crisis. I just want to know how Obama is doing his job.

[jetpilot]

^^Very good post. Get ready to hear crickets chirping...
A lot of people (like me) like Obama as a person but don't like his policies.

[TheRealVille]

All I want you to do (if it's not too much to ask) is to tell me how Obama has made this country better or has this country going in the right direction. If you can do that, then I will change my political views, switch parties, and become the biggest liberal you have ever seen.

Here is THE reason Obama was voted in office..

- America was so desperate to get a Democrat in office and Obama was by far the best, most believeable speaker of any of the candidates.

Obama, still being the great speaker that he is, continues to deceive Americans into believing that he somehow has everything under control and is doing all of these outrageous acts (ex: shutting down the coal industry) for the betterment of the country. If you look at the big picture you can see that he either has no idea what he is doing or is purposely trying to bring the economy down even lower. I would like to think that the real issue is that he is just clueless.

It is not about Obama being a democrat or about him being black. It is about him slowly making things worse for America.

So please, if you or anyone else can tell me how he is doing his job to make this country a better one, I would absolutely love to know. I don't want to hear how a republican couldn't have done any better, because there is no quick fix to this crisis. I just want to know how Obama is doing his job.

Give it some time. It took your president 8 years to bring this country to it's knees, Obama can't fix it overnight. BTW, he isn't shutting down the coal industry, he is just proposing penalties for companies that don't restrict pollution.

[outdoorsman43]

Give it some time. It took your president 8 years to bring this country to it's knees, Obama can't fix it overnight. BTW, he isn't shutting down the coal industry, he is just proposing penalties for companies that don't restrict pollution.

So you are saying that you actually believe that all Mountain-Top Mining Companies disregarded pollution. America needs coal and it is impossible to mine coal without there being a small amount of pollution. Most mining companies follow all guidelines and do everything within their power to limit the amount of pollution that is released into the water and the air. Any other questions or problems you might have with the mining industry, I will be happy to tell you or anyone else why America needs coal and why Obama is only hurting America by letting the EPA put a hold on mining permits.

Also, just as I expected, you succeeded to give me no reason to believe that Obama is doing the job. I guess I can continue to ride the quickly growing bandwaggon that is called "electing Obama was a mistake".

[TheRealVille]

Environmental groups say allowing companies to dump the rubble from mountaintop mining in nearby valleys damages water quality and violates the Clean Water Act.

You don't want it watched how much junk gets dumped into the water supply? You are a typical republican, you only worry about the here and now and giving big business breaks. Most of these regulations are geared at power companies.

[Old School]

You don't want it watched how much junk gets dumped into the water supply? You are a typical republican, you only worry about the here and now and giving big business breaks. Most of these regulations are geared at power companies.

Exactly what kind of junk are you referring to?

Cost of a product rises whenever new regulations are added to any industries, these companies then pass that cost on to the consumers (which is you and I). The bottom line is that power companies have a targeted profit margin which they will meet by raising our electric rates.

[TheRealVille]

I guess I can continue to ride the quickly growing bandwaggon that is called "electing Obama was a mistake".

That bandwagon that has the highest approval rating in 20 years, at 68% and rising?

[TheRealVille]

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Exactly what kind of junk are you referring to?

Cost of a product rises whenever new regulations are added to any industries, these companies then pass that cost on to the consumers (which is you and I). The bottom line is that power companies have a targeted profit margin which they will meet by raising our electric rates.

Just saying what his article is saying. So, you are more worried about the money than your kids, kids water supply?

[outdoorsman43]

You don't want it watched how much junk gets dumped into the water supply? You are a typical republican, you only worry about the here and now and giving big business breaks. Most of these regulations are geared at power companies.

You, are the typical Liberal who is ignorant of the coal industry.

I'll echo OldSchool, what "junk" are you referring to?

Most coal companies, like I said in my last post, follow all guidelines and restrictions to keep the atmosphere as clean as they possibly can. There is no such thing as absolute clean coal mining practices. If you think there is, then you simply no nothing about mining. A great percentage (I apologize to any perfectionists that need exact numbers) of America's homes are heated and cooled with the mining and burning of coal. I would bet that the power, heating, and cooling in your home is powered by coal.

If this is true, then do everyone a favor and turn off your computer.:biggrin:

If not, it still doesn't change the fact that you are ignorant.

You are correct about me, I am the typical republican. I appreciate the compliment.

[TheRealVille]

You, are the typical Liberal who is ignorant of the coal industry.

I'll echo OldSchool, what "junk" are you referring to?

The "rubble" the EPA stated in the article that is getting in the water. Yes I use coal technology to power my home, but I still think pollution should be controlled and regulated, and taxed higher if they can't stay in the guidelines. Just clean it up, like most power companies are doing , ie. scrubbers. I'll pay extra to help my kids and grandkids, I'm not a republican. I'm not about just me.

[jetpilot]

You, are the typical Liberal who is ignorant of the coal industry.

I'll echo OldSchool, what "junk" are you referring to?

Most coal companies, like I said in my last post, follow all guidelines and restrictions to keep the atmosphere as clean as they possibly can. There is no such thing as absolute clean coal mining practices. If you think there is, then you simply no nothing about mining. A great percentage (I apologize to any perfectionists that need exact numbers) of America's homes are heated and cooled with the mining and burning of coal. I would bet that the power, heating, and cooling in your home is powered by coal.

If this is true, then do everyone a favor and turn off your computer.:biggrin:

If not, it still doesn't change the fact that you are ignorant.

You are correct about me, I am the typical republican. I appreciate the compliment.

Says it all. No clue about coal.

[outdoorsman43]

Just got some actual numbers.

The state of Kentucky is 98% powered by coal and the United States is over 50% powered by coal. So I'm betting that just about everyone on this site's computer is powered by coal.

I wish you people would understand that there in no such thing and never will be of absolute clean coal practices. The D.E.P. (Department of Environmental Protection) inspect coal companies regularly (at least three times per month). As you would expect, coal companies follow these D.E.P. rules and regulations so they are enabled to continue mining.

All of this information is coming from someone that has been involved in the coal industry for over 30 years.

Why aren't conservatives arguing that the coal companies are doing it wrong? Because, most aren't. Most liberals continue to linger on the "republicans are for big business and not for the country as a whole" belief. America got their beloved Democrat in office, why hasn't he done anything to even start improving America?

Okay, so he can't fix it overnight. I agree, no one can. The man has just made things worse is the point I'm making.

[TheRealVille]

Says it all. No clue about coal.

And you know about how much junk goes into the water suppy through mountain top mining? Enlighten us.

[outdoorsman43]

And you know about how much junk goes into the water suppy through mountain top mining? Enlighten us.

Enlighten us on how much you know about mountain-top mining, please.

[TheRealVille]

The Obama administration on Monday sought to reverse a last-minute Bush administration rule that made it easier for companies to dispose of waste from the mining practice. The EPA last month said it would scrutinize more than a hundred mining permits because of concerns over the effects on water quality.

I'm for regulating this practice, you aren't?

[TheRealVille]

Enlighten us on how much you know about mountain-top mining, please.

I'm just going by his article. You're the expert, the weight falls on you. I trust that the EPA knows more than me.

[outdoorsman43]

I'm for regulating this practice, you aren't?

I'm all for this practice. I never said I wasn't. I'm saying that you can't stop mining to fix the problem. Before you can find a good solution to this problem, you have to understand (as I have said 35 times) that there will never be 100% clean mining practices.

[TheRealVille]

I'm all for this practice. I never said I wasn't. I'm saying that you can't stop mining to fix the problem. Before you can find a good solution to this problem, you have to understand (as I have said 35 times) that there will never be 100% clean mining practices.

According to the article, they aren't about stopping mining, just regulating what goes into the streams through mountain-top removal. I am not about stopping mining.