[DevilsWin]

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom


I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")


I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814


If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816
My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816

You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819


As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819


Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820


To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820


Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.

-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.
I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825


May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)

[Aslan]

Link?

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Love Jefferson. Have you heard this one?

“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches”

-Benjamin Franklin

[DevilsWin]

Link?

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/...ons/foley/

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom


I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")


I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814


If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816
My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816

You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819


As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819


Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820


To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820


Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.

-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.
I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825


May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)

Our Country was founded on Christianity?

[Stardust]

Our Country was founded on Christianity?

Yep, and one non believer! This is old stuff, but always good to see it make it's rounds again. I have always found it interesting that Thomas Jefferson made all these quotes after he added most all of the original quotations from the bible and imbued what appeared to be all of his beliefs into all of his pre-constitutional writings.

He reminds me of the extremely religious Charles Darwin who was a self proclaimed "Devout Christian", who was devastated after the loss of his 10 year old daughter. He blamed God for his loss, and took out on his proof that there was no such God.

Jefferson, a self described "Materialist", understood that he could not be a possessor and a lover of items of this world and still get to heaven. Thus, a bitter Thomas Jefferson, who felt slighted after the war for Independence, began his crusade to speak out against God, the very God that he spoke of so eloquently in his pre-writings of 1776.

It's all been tried before guys. Look, Satan was in heaven before he thought he was bigger than God. There will always be those who believe, and those who do not believe. I feel comfortable with my own beliefs and need not worry about justifying myself to anyone by my own God.
:Thumbs:

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Yep, and one non believer! This is old stuff, but always good to see it make it's rounds again. I have always found it interesting that Thomas Jefferson made all these quotes after he added most all of the original quotations from the bible and imbued what appeared to be all of his beliefs into all of his pre-constitutional writings.

He reminds me of the extremely religious Charles Darwin who was a self proclaimed "Devout Christian", who was devastated after the loss of his 10 year old daughter. He blamed God for his loss, and took out on his proof that there was no such God.

Jefferson, a self described "Materialist", understood that he could not be a possessor and a lover of items of this world and still get to heaven. Thus, a bitter Thomas Jefferson, who felt slighted after the war for Independence, began his crusade to speak out against God, the very God that he spoke of so eloquently in his pre-writings of 1776.

It's all been tried before guys. Look, Satan was in heaven before he thought he was bigger than God. There will always be those who believe, and those who do not believe. I feel comfortable with my own beliefs and need not worry about justifying myself to anyone by my own God.
:Thumbs:

Why would we move here to get religious freedom only for our country to be founded on only ONE religion. Makes no sense. our country was founded on freedom not any one persons ideology even not non-believers. If it was founded on ONE religion that defeats the whole purpose of coming to america. we didn't come here to live under religious texts. Like i stated before we came here for freedom

And on charles darwin he NEVER sought out to disprove god.

[Stardust]

Why would we move here to get religious freedom only for our country to be founded on only ONE. Makes no sense our country was founded on freedom not any one persons ideology

My friend, if that is your question, then go research the writings of virtually all of those who adopted the Declaration of Independence.

[Mr.Kimball]

Love Jefferson. Have you heard this one?

“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches”

-Benjamin Franklin

Hmm, he was a slave owner wasn't he?

Goes against everything ol DevilsWin rattles on about, yet he is your guys moral leader now?

[thecavemaster]

Let's say that America was founded on "godly" values: which "god" was it? Was it the "god" that surfaced around Jerusalem a couple thousand years ago and suggested that "the father" made the sun to rise on good and evil, the rain to fall on just and unjust? Wouldn't the freedom and rights recognized in a Constitutional democracy be like what that "father" does?

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Hmm, he was a slave owner wasn't he?

Goes against everything ol DevilsWin rattles on about, yet he is your guys moral leader now?

i'm my on person. i really do admire jefferson. Oh And any of your Conservative leaders are any better? ---------------- Listening to: 3OH!3 - Colorado Sunrise

[DevilsWin]

I never said that Jefferson's ideas or intellect were superior to any of the other founding fathers.

The argument has been stated many times that America is a Christian Nation and was founded to be as such.

I on the other hand have debated that America is rather a Constitutional Democracy.
Others have said that America is a Constitutional Republic. That debate is on going and one of the products of that debate was the Civil War. Others would include the Women's Suffragist Movement, the Civil Rights Movement, and currently the Gay Rights Movement.

The subject at hand here was merely wether or not America is a Christian Nation or a nation of Christians.

I don't necessarily agree with everything Jefferson said but to understand America you have to understand Jefferson. If you think he was a Christian I think you need to re-examine the definition of the word.

New data has suggested that the number of people who claim no religious affiliation has increased from 14% to 25% from 1990 to 2009.

Other findings include:


• The percentage of Catholics in the United States has remained steady at about one in four since 1990, while the percentage of other Christians has plummeted from 60 percent to 50 percent.


• The percentage of Muslims has doubled since 1990, but remains statistically very small, only 0.3 percent in the original survey and 0.6 percent today.


• Mormons have remained steady as a percentage of the population, even as the number of people in the United States has grown. They make up 1.4 percent of the population.


• The number of Jews in the United States is falling if the category includes only those who define themselves as Jews religiously, but has remained the same if the category includes people who consider themselves ethnicall Jewish.


The survey polled 54,461 Americans between February and November of 2008. Pollsters conducted the research in both English and Spanish.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife...christian/


This, I think is what scares fundamental Christians.

[DevilsWin]

Hmm, he was a slave owner wasn't he?

Goes against everything ol DevilsWin rattles on about, yet he is your guys moral leader now?

Not my moral leader. But nice try.:yawn:

[Mr.Kimball]

Not my moral leader. But nice try.:yawn:

Ah hah, just as I thought . None.:biggrin:

[Mr.Kimball]

i'm my on person. i really do admire jefferson. Oh And any of your Conservative leaders are any better? ---------------- Listening to: 3OH!3 - Colorado Sunrise

Your own person....lol

If Jefferson were alive and in office today you would be bashing him with a vengence. I find it hypocrical (and humorous) of you to praise Jefferson and then at the same time show Obama as your avatar. Lets just get real honest here, you and a couple others on here really dont believe anything at all that you ramble and rattle on and on and on about. Lets face it you are against what every one else is for and for every thing that every one else is against. It's just your way of getting some attention that you feel for some reason you so desperately need.

[DevilsWin]

Your own person....lol

If Jefferson were alive and in office today you would be bashing him with a vengence. I find it hypocrical of you to praise Jefferson and then at the same time show Obama as your avatar. Lets just get real honest here, you and a couple others on here really dont beleive anything at all that you ramble and rattle on and on and on about. Lets face it you are against what every one else is for and for every thing that every one else is against. It's just your way of getting some attention that you feel for some reason you so desperately need.

Maybe we're squares in a round world? Maybe not.

It matters not what anyone believes or why they believe. All that matters is they believe.

[Mr.Kimball]

Maybe we're squares in a round world? Maybe not.

It matters not what anyone believes or why they believe. All that matters is they believe.

And then again it could be exactly what I said. Dont believe in anything , just contradict and cause dispruption on everything? Someway, somehow draw attention to one's self?

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Your own person....lol

If Jefferson were alive and in office today you would be bashing him with a vengence. I find it hypocrical (and humorous) of you to praise Jefferson and then at the same time show Obama as your avatar. Lets just get real honest here, you and a couple others on here really dont believe anything at all that you ramble and rattle on and on and on about. Lets face it you are against what every one else is for and for every thing that every one else is against. It's just your way of getting some attention that you feel for some reason you so desperately need.

First off the obama avatar isn't in favor of him.

i'm for gay marriage not because everybody is against it or everybody is for it. i'm for it because i feel that love is love regardless of sex

i'm pro-choice because i feel the woman should have the right over her body not the goverment. Funny thing that republicans want the goverment to be small BUT when it comes to marriage and abortion they have to be involved to stop it.

How dare you critique me. You don't even know me. I don't care if i get attention on here or not i just want to be able to share my opinions. sorry that it upsets you that i think diffrent than you

[Mr.Kimball]

First off the obama avatar isn't in favor of him.
i'm for gay marriage not because everybody is against it or everybody is for it. i'm for it because i feel that love is love regardless of sex

i'm pro-choice because i feel the woman should have the right over her body not the goverment. Funny thing that republicans want the goverment to be small BUT when it comes to marriage and abortion they have to be involved to stop it.

How dare you critique me. You don't even know me. I don't care if i get attention on here or not i just want to be able to share my opinions. sorry that it upsets you that i think diffrent than you

Ok, I see. Now I understand, and that makes a lot of sense. Most people do that very same thing.:eyeroll:

I guess the rest of your post speaks for it's self.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Ok, I see. Now I understand. That makes a lot of sense. Most people do that very same thing.:eyeroll:

I guess the rest of your post speaks for it's self.

People have disliked obama since he started running. I supported him all through the campaign because i actually thought he would go through with his promises but he didn't . That's why i don't like him now. not because it fashionable

I've always held those beliefs about abortion and gay marriage.

[Mr.Kimball]

Maybe we're squares in a round world? Maybe not.

It matters not what anyone believes or why they believe. All that matters is they believe.

Did you ever notice that square pegs dont fit in round holes?:biggrin:

[Mr.Kimball]

People have disliked obama since he ran. the reason i don't like him anymore is that i sat back and read the promises he made and if the were put fourth and most of them weren't i had a realization.

I've always held those beliefs about abortion and gay marriage.

Surely you are not naive enough to believe that any politician will do what they say they will do, after they get in office?

[DevilsWin]

And then again it could be exactly what I said. Dont believe in anything , just contradict and cause dispruption on everything? Someway, somehow draw attention to one's self?

Believe what you want to believe. I'm gonna do the same thing.

If I believe in opposing something you support thats just the way it is slick.

If you don't like it, thats your problem. Not mine. irateSho

[DevilsWin]

First off the obama avatar isn't in favor of him.

i'm for gay marriage not because everybody is against it or everybody is for it. i'm for it because i feel that love is love regardless of sex

i'm pro-choice because i feel the woman should have the right over her body not the goverment. Funny thing that republicans want the goverment to be small BUT when it comes to marriage and abortion they have to be involved to stop it.

How dare you critique me. You don't even know me. I don't care if i get attention on here or not i just want to be able to share my opinions. sorry that it upsets you that i think diffrent than you

I enjoy upsetting all these backwards thinkers.

[Mr.Kimball]

Believe what you want to believe. I'm gonna do the same thing.

If I believe in opposing something you support thats just the way it is slick.

If you don't like it, thats your problem. Not mine. irateSho

Come on now, ultra slick,do you really and honestly believe all the junk you put up on here?

[DevilsWin]

Did you ever notice that square pegs dont fit in round holes?:biggrin:

Notice it? I've lived it!:devilflam

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Surely you are not naive enough to believe that any politician will do what they say they will do, after they get in office?

not all but some

[Mr.Kimball]

I enjoy upsetting all these backwards thinkers.

lol

[Kentucky_Liberal]

I enjoy upsetting all these backwards thinkers.

lol

[DevilsWin]

Come on now,
ultra slick,do you really and honestly believe all the junk you put up on here?

Some stuff I just post to start a debate.

But it's no mystery where I stand politically.