[FBALL]

If Elliott couldn't get up for this game then they can't get up for any game. This game has been hyped since 2007. Im sorry but that is one sorry excuse. Today was the first time Elliott has faced that kind of pressure from a Kentucky team ad they couldn't handle it. Bottom line. To say they weren't up for this game, playing in the All-A semi-finals against a team that people compare you with constantly? Why wouldn't they be ready for Valley?

I'm sorry but this game may have been hyped up by 15th region and SV fans since 07 but not by anyone else.

A friend of mine who is a coach in Central KY was a the game this morning as said Timmy Knipp didn't even look like he knew he was in the game. This has been an issue in the past. I don't think Elliott County was up for this game. But that is their own fault and as is usually the case they got tagged with the loss.

[FBALL]

Dude, you can't make excuses in one part of your post and try to cover them up in the 2nd by saying one team was better.

Actually he can say anything he wants as long as it isn't against the rules. IF making excuse was illegal 99.9% of us would not be allowed to post.

[More Cowbell]

As you can see, I wasn't joking! I think Valley and their fans look pretty good, don't you? Now, go eat your crow. Valley laid a smokin on EC, like I knew they would! Congratulations Valley! moke:

I'm not eating crow, actually your original statement was wrong. You said that "EC doesn't have a chance against Valley". Well, as it turns out, EC had a pretty good chance, considering that they had a shot which would've tied the game at the end.

And you sit here after a 3 point victory and say they "laid a smokin" on Elliott? You must have a very different interpretation of what that phrase means than I do, since I don't consider a 3 point win "a smokin" by any stretch.

Now it's well-known on here that I am a SV fan, and I am always rooting for them to win. But I agree with NYY10 that statements like yours don't make the rest of us Valley fans look good. You need to learn to be gracious in victory and respect the other team. When you do, people will respect your posts more.

[Belfry Wins]

I'm sorry but this game may have been hyped up by 15th region and SV fans since 07 but not by anyone else.

A friend of mine who is a coach in Central KY was a the game this morning as said Timmy Knipp didn't even look like he knew he was in the game. This has been an issue in the past. I don't think Elliott County was up for this game. But that is their own fault and as is usually the case they got tagged with the loss.

The game was hyped by everybody at the tournament not just 15th fans. But honestly Knipp was at a disadvantage. He is very long and athletic, he made some big shots for them. But the thing that hurt him was size and strength. Adams and Tackett (SV's) big men played physical and pushed him around down low. All he could do was foul them.

[ky wildcats]

Lets all just be friends this game was over 12 hrs ago SV was the victors and all I can hope for is a rematch in March with the winner getting either Holmes or Scott Co. Go Elliott. Good Luck to Shelby Valley the rest of the way.

[FBALL]

The game was hyped by everybody at the tournament not just 15th fans. But honestly Knipp was at a disadvantage. He is very long and athletic, he made some big shots for them. But the thing that hurt him was size and strength. Adams and Tackett (SV's) big men played physical and pushed him around down low. All he could do was foul them.

But not since 2007.

[More Cowbell]

elliott is the better team when they have had rest

This has got to be the lamest excuse I have ever seen for why Elliott did not win. Let me get this straight, Elliott didn't win because they were tired? Let's take a look at that assumption...

When you look at the way the tourney fell out, Elliott had to be the fresher team of the two. For one, they had played earlier in the day on Saturday, which gave them an extra couple hours rest there. Plus, they had played two overmatched opponents to that point, which allowed them the chance to rest their starters and not feel the added exhaustion of a close game. Meanwhile, while EC was toying with Pineville, SV had to withstand a tough, physical game against Newport Catholic just to get to Sunday morning. So if any team could claim fatigue as a factor, it was Shelby Valley.

SV was the better team today, plain and simple. Could Elliott win if they meet again in Rupp? Sure they could. But that's all speculation at this point.

It seems to me that everyone who says EC would've won if they had played better is missing the point. Which is Shelby Valley could've played a lot better, too. Neither team played to their top potential, but then you don't always play your best every game. SV didn't play their best (it's hard to fathom missing as many free throws as they did), but they still managed to hang on for the win. And instead of saying it's because EC didn't do this or that, everyone should just give Valley's players the credit.

[Belfry Wins]

But not since 2007.

Anytime you lose to somebody at that stage it makes you want to get them back. Now if they meet again Elliott will be out for revenge and SV must get up for the game. But anytime you play in a game in a state semifinals you should be hyped.
I thougth a lot of the Elliott kids showed emotion throughout the game, but I think emotion is over hyped because once the game starts it comes to execution. And SV executed better than Elliott for most of the game.
Does Knipp have a repuation for being physical ever? Because what games I watched, I thought he was kind of soft when it comes to that. He is very good and very quick and very long however.
You have to give the Elliott kids credit, they got heart, they could have layed down but they kept fighting. SV was honestly in control of the game for the entire contest but the last four minutes. But it was a fun game to watch. Hopefully those two get to play again.

[FBALL]

Anytime you lose to somebody at that stage it makes you want to get them back. Now if they meet again Elliott will be out for revenge and SV must get up for the game. But anytime you play in a game in a state semifinals you should be hyped.
I thougth a lot of the Elliott kids showed emotion throughout the game, but I think emotion is over hyped because once the game starts it comes to execution. And SV executed better than Elliott for most of the game.
Does Knipp have a repuation for being physical ever? Because what games I watched, I thought he was kind of soft when it comes to that. He is very good and very quick and very long however.
You have to give the Elliott kids credit, they got heart, they could have layed down but they kept fighting. SV was honestly in control of the game for the entire contest but the last four minutes. But it was a fun game to watch. Hopefully those two get to play again.

Knipp has gained a reputation for sporadic effort. Some games he plays like demon. Others you may want to check for a pulse.

[More Cowbell]

If Elliott couldn't get up for this game then they can't get up for any game. This game has been hyped since 2007. Im sorry but that is one sorry excuse. Today was the first time Elliott has faced that kind of pressure from a Kentucky team ad they couldn't handle it. Bottom line. To say they weren't up for this game, playing in the All-A semi-finals against a team that people compare you with constantly? Why wouldn't they be ready for Valley?

Great post. :Thumbs:

Saying that Elliott wasn't up for this game is another lame excuse. Let's see, you're playing in the semifinals of the state All-A tournament, where a win lands you in the championship game? Ho-hum.

Alright, how about you are playing not only one of the top teams in the state, but a fellow Eastern KY team with whom you have been compared numerous times? Eh...

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Like you said, if Elliott couldn't get up for this game, what could they get up for?

[Belfry Wins]

Knipp has gained a reputation for sporadic effort. Some games he plays like demon. Others you may want to check for a pulse.

Yeah I've heard that, but he's young that comes in time. He played hard I thought until it got physical. He shoots really well for his size. He had a speed advantage on the Valley big men, but he didn't really put it to use like he should have.

[alleycat53]

Well, my belly is full I sure missed this one. As for all the excuses I have none. SV was the better team today just didn't look like EC had played a team that plays as good of D as SV does. Adams may have played the best game he has played this year he was far more aggressive than I have seen him in the past. Honestly, SV would have beat them by 15 if it would have not been for 1 man in stripes and they had made free throws. Hats off to SV, got to go though my stomach is killing me, ahh it's worth it.:worthy: On a side note the Justice boy was just to much for Faulkner 1 and 2 really don't see much of a comparsion here after witnessing this one so lets not bring this one up again but I'll bet if they were tired before this one they were exhausted afterwards.

Actually crow tastes like chicken, Not to bad, I'm a little full myself. SV was on their game this morning. Killer defense. GO SV. anybody that watched this game could easily count 7 or 8 critical calls from the David Brenner looking Ref against SV.

[ky wildcats]

I believe these KIDS were up for this game if i was gonna find fault i would say that like my first post stated no game plan! (those knip kids sick or not they have some personal issues that some have seen and some hasnt.) Im giving SV credit they won lets move on. Another day another game. Go ELLIOTT

[blitzingback]

I had not seen either of these 2 play this year. With that being said I don't see how EC was ranked #1 in the state. Their passes were lazy, if they made mistakes they didn't hustle back on defense, the just looked sloppy, and they were dominated inside. Like I said though this is coming from someone who hasn't watched them play before.
Shelby Valley on the other hand was intense coming out of the gate. They were quick to the ball, taking away 3's on the perimeter and forced EC to take bad off balanced shots. The justice kid is good. I had my doubts before seeing him thinking it was just hype from overzealous fans, but he is the real deal. Also #10 impressed me, I'd look his name up on KHSAA, but I'm being lazy, he impressed me also. He was hard nosed. They thing that SV didn't do, as it's already been said was hit the FT's.
EC did show heart and battled back so you have to give that to them. I started to leave in the 3rd quarter, I'm glad I stayed it was a 2 possesion game with 42 seconds to go. And with 3 seconds to go EC had a shot to go into overtime. Can't ask for a better game than that.

[sportzfan]

I'm not eating crow, actually your original statement was wrong. You said that "EC doesn't have a chance against Valley". Well, as it turns out, EC had a pretty good chance, considering that they had a shot which would've tied the game at the end.

And you sit here after a 3 point victory and say they "laid a smokin" on Elliott? You must have a very different interpretation of what that phrase means than I do, since I don't consider a 3 point win "a smokin" by any stretch.

Now it's well-known on here that I am a SV fan, and I am always rooting for them to win. But I agree with NYY10 that statements like yours don't make the rest of us Valley fans look good. You need to learn to be gracious in victory and respect the other team. When you do, people will respect your posts more.

I don't think my statement was wrong at all. SV shut EC down in the first quarter. The last quarter wasn't too good for them but EC couldn't handle the D played by SV earlier in the game. That is MY opinion!

Like you said, everyone interprets things different. So to me, it was a smokin' in general. That is MY opinion and I thought I was allowed to post that on here. I am not basing everything on 3 points. I am basing it on the game overall.

I don't think my confidence in my team makes SV fans look bad. I am proud of the team. I thank you, but I am gracious we won and I do respect the other team. They are all kids and I love and respect them all. EC is a good team also, but I think SV is better. But again, that is MY opinion.

GO CATS!!!!!!!

[cricket]

I have yet to look at the pairing for the sweet 16, but what would each team have to do to make it to a rematch at Rupp (besides winning their Region)

If they both make it to the second round of the sweet 16, then there would be a rematch. i would say though if Valley and Elliot play again, Elliot would come out on top.

[More Cowbell]

I don't think my statement was wrong at all. SV shut EC down in the first quarter. The last quarter wasn't too good for them but EC couldn't handle the D played by SV earlier in the game. That is MY opinion!

Like you said, everyone interprets things different. So to me, it was a smokin' in general. That is MY opinion and I thought I was allowed to post that on here. I am not basing everything on 3 points. I am basing it on the game overall.

I don't think my confidence in my team makes SV fans look bad. I am proud of the team. I thank you, but I am gracious we won and I do respect the other team. They are all kids and I love and respect them all. EC is a good team also, but I think SV is better. But again, that is MY opinion.

GO CATS!!!!!!!

No one ever said you couldn't post your opinion on here. Nowhere will you see that I said you couldn't do that. But I did disagree with your opinion, and you need to be able to handle it when someone else on here has a different viewpoint than you. This won't be the only time it happens, so get used to it.

Being confident in your team's chances to win doesn't make Valley's fans look bad. Boasting about "laying a smokin" on Elliott, after we just barely hung on to a close 3 point victory, probably does reflect badly. But again, if you want to make statements like that on here, it's your prerogative, as long as you stay within the rules.

Look at the game again. SV easily outplayed EC in the first quarter, and were a little better in the second. The third quarter was a wash, though, and Elliott most certainly won the fourth quarter. What does it all mean? These are two evenly matched teams, and Valley happened to be the better team that day. I can only hope that they will still be the better team if the two meet again.

And so you see we do have some common ground, go Cats!

[sportzfan]

No one ever said you couldn't post your opinion on here. Nowhere will you see that I said you couldn't do that. But I did disagree with your opinion, and you need to be able to handle it when someone else on here has a different viewpoint than you. This won't be the only time it happens, so get used to it.

Being confident in your team's chances to win doesn't make Valley's fans look bad. Boasting about "laying a smokin" on Elliott, after we just barely hung on to a close 3 point victory, probably does reflect badly. But again, if you want to make statements like that on here, it's your prerogative, as long as you stay within the rules.

Look at the game again. SV easily outplayed EC in the first quarter, and were a little better in the second. The third quarter was a wash, though, and Elliott most certainly won the fourth quarter. What does it all mean? These are two evenly matched teams, and Valley happened to be the better team that day. I can only hope that they will still be the better team if the two meet again.

And so you see we do have some common ground, go Cats!

I respect your opinion and I expect you to respect mine as well. It doesn't bother me that others disagree with me. That is what makes the world go 'round. I don't see that I broke any rules on here. Just stating my opinion. GO CATS!!!

[More Cowbell]

I respect your opinion and I expect you to respect mine as well. It doesn't bother me that others disagree with me. That is what makes the world go 'round. I don't see that I broke any rules on here. Just stating my opinion. GO CATS!!!

People can diasagree with someone else's opinion and yet still respect it. Again, disagreeing with you should not be interpreted as a sign of disrespect. If that's the way you take it, then that's too bad, because there will certainly be disagreements with other members as well.

And you're right, you didn't break any rules, and I never said you did. If you had, I would notify you in a pm. Feel free to post whatever as long as it falls within the rules.

[chrissy23]

anybody have any stats on this one?

[InstantOffense]

After reading all these posts I now understand that the only reason Elliott got beat is because they weren't pumped for the game. I should have known that poor little Valley wasn't enough to get them excited. I guess when they are playing in the sweet 16 that won't be enough motivation for them either. Maybe we should see if the Celtics have time to play Elliott, it may get them to bring their A game. SV just isn't good enough to motivate Elliott. Thats why SV won.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

After reading all these posts I now understand that the only reason Elliott got beat is because they weren't pumped for the game. I should have known that poor little Valley wasn't enough to get them excited. I guess when they are playing in the sweet 16 that won't be enough motivation for them either. Maybe we should see if the Celtics have time to play Elliott, it may get them to bring their A game. SV just isn't good enough to motivate Elliott. Thats why SV won.

No, that was just part of it. They also was tired and lost some of their legs. They was a step or two slow on the night. I guess if they would have beaten Valley they would have lost to Bartstown anyways.

[Afternoon_Delight]

No, that was just part of it. They also was tired and lost some of their legs. They was a step or two slow on the night. I guess if they would have beaten Valley they would have lost to Bartstown anyways.

To say Elliott was a step or two slower or tired is a WEAK excuse. Valley played 2 games prior as well and was ready and wanted the game more. Elliott played 2 very easy games and they could have rested their starters a lot earlier if they didn't. If Elliott was tired then that shows a lack of conditioning on their part.

No excuses Shelby Valley was the better team flat out. Stop making excuses for Elliott.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

To say Elliott was a step or two slower or tired is a WEAK excuse. Valley played 2 games prior as well and was ready and wanted the game more. Elliott played 2 very easy games and they could have rested their starters a lot earlier if they didn't. If Elliott was tired then that shows a lack of conditioning on their part.

No excuses Shelby Valley was the better team flat out. Stop making excuses for Elliott.

I wasnt making excuses for them, that was posted in a earlier post. My boy plays for Valley, I wouldnt make excuses for the other team. The only excuse I can come up for Elliott Co. is that they might have thought Valley was going to lay down to them and be intimidated by playing the number 1 team in the state. I really dont think Valley would be intimidated by any high school team in this great state.

[letthebighogroot]

Great post. :Thumbs:

Saying that Elliott wasn't up for this game is another lame excuse. Let's see, you're playing in the semifinals of the state All-A tournament, where a win lands you in the championship game? Ho-hum.

Alright, how about you are playing not only one of the top teams in the state, but a fellow Eastern KY team with whom you have been compared numerous times? Eh...

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Like you said, if Elliott couldn't get up for this game, what could they get up for?

First, the only place this game has been hyped since '07 is SV. EC has NEVER been compared to SV, it's always been the other way around. A question for you.....If you are SV, playing the #1 team in the state (per Herald Leader), and the team that beat you 2 years ago in Rupp. Don't you think you are gonna be more jacked up than the team ranked #1 that beat you?????? Enough of that though, SV outplayed us in this game and deserved to win! I said in my prediction post that SV would win if they controlled tempo. I'll also add this.....If they meet again in Rupp.......SV will not win, because EC will meet thier intensity level.

[Afternoon_Delight]

I wasnt making excuses for them, that was posted in a earlier post. My boy plays for Valley, I wouldnt make excuses for the other team. The only excuse I can come up for Elliott Co. is that they might have thought Valley was going to lay down to them and be intimidated by playing the number 1 team in the state. I really dont think Valley would be intimidated by any high school team in this great state.

I agree. Shelby Valley is the real deal and they have a great strength with their defense which is a result of great conditioning by Booher. They are intimidated by no one and they can matchup to just about any team in the state.

[Afternoon_Delight]

First, the only place this game has been hyped since '07 is SV. EC has NEVER been compared to SV, it's always been the other way around. A question for you.....If you are SV, playing the #1 team in the state (per Herald Leader), and the team that beat you 2 years ago in Rupp. Don't you think you are gonna be more jacked up than the team ranked #1 that beat you?????? Enough of that though, SV outplayed us in this game and deserved to win! I said in my prediction post that SV would win if they controlled tempo. I'll also add this.....If they meet again in Rupp.......SV will not win, because EC will meet thier intensity level.

I hope you're joking because honestly Shelby Valley can meet anyone's intensity and they will once again control the tempo of the game...It'll be another close game but I don't see EC winning.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

First, the only place this game has been hyped since '07 is SV. EC has NEVER been compared to SV, it's always been the other way around. A question for you.....If you are SV, playing the #1 team in the state (per Herald Leader), and the team that beat you 2 years ago in Rupp. Don't you think you are gonna be more jacked up than the team ranked #1 that beat you?????? Enough of that though, SV outplayed us in this game and deserved to win! I said in my prediction post that SV would win if they controlled tempo. I'll also add this.....If they meet again in Rupp.......SV will not win, because EC will meet thier intensity level.

They might match their intensity, but they can not match their defense. They can not control Valleys guards, they can not handle Valley on the inside. They can shoot free throws better.

[Afternoon_Delight]

They might match their intensity, but they can not match their defense. They can not control Valleys guards, they can not handle Valley on the inside. They can shoot free throws better.

Shelby Valley's inside game dominated Elliott County's.

Shelby Valley out matches Elliott in almost every category. There is no question and very little debate.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

First, the only place this game has been hyped since '07 is SV. EC has NEVER been compared to SV, it's always been the other way around. A question for you.....If you are SV, playing the #1 team in the state (per Herald Leader), and the team that beat you 2 years ago in Rupp. Don't you think you are gonna be more jacked up than the team ranked #1 that beat you?????? Enough of that though, SV outplayed us in this game and deserved to win! I said in my prediction post that SV would win if they controlled tempo. I'll also add this.....If they meet again in Rupp.......SV will not win, because EC will meet thier intensity level.

I agree with that because EC won the first game. After yesterday, now EC will be compared to SV until EC gets the next W against them.