[slugger35]

I am a Morgan County fan myself and I hate Elliot County but the debate is not over. I have watched both of these teams 5 or 6 times this year and they are both very good but Elliot did not show up this morning. They had no legs and looked to 2 steps slower and alot of lazy passes. They never woke up until mid way thru the 4th quarter. Glad I was here to see this one. Congratulations Shelby Valley and thanks for knocking out Elliott. But understand this was not the usual Elliott County team. I hope they play this bad come region time.

[FBALL]

and they were tested by a good D but lack there of team in Morgan Co. earlier on this season and narrowly escaped with a win. Its obvious if you have the right defense this Elliot County team will not shot you out of the gym. Not saying they arent a good team because obviously they are a great team.

Actually I think that one big misconception people have of Elliott County is that they are strictly a three point shooting team. Where the usually score is with their defense and points off turnovers.

Shelby Valley did not turn the ball over much in this game. That limits Elliott Counties chances and slows the game. I think you slow them down and make the Lions shoot the three. If they are on then you have problems. But if you stay in their face and they have an off shooting game like todays, then they are ripe for the picking.

[EKY Sportster]

I think the biggest key to the game was Timmy Knipp for Elliott County. He has to be assertive on offense for Elliott to win against good teams that have good size.

Well since Elliott has been tested before this game wouldn't you think he would know this? I never did think that Elliott Co. could beat SV IF SV could control the tempo by slowing it way down, keeping defensive pressure on Elliott's shooting; and holding them to a low scoring game under 70. The only doubt that I had was whether SV could do that. Well they have shown me that they can and it paid off for them. Excuses are useless in a tourney.

[BlackcatAlum]

A lot of people say that Elliott County played a bad game, but go back into every thread where Valley has won and a supporter from another team will either admit that Valley was simply the better team or they'll use the, "Our team didn't play very good at all", excuse.

Valley was the better team and was more prepared today.

[EKY Sportster]

Actually I think that one big misconception people have of Elliott County is that they are strictly a three point shooting team. Where the usually score is with their defense and points off turnovers.

Shelby Valley did not turn the ball over much in this game. That limits Elliott Counties chances and slows the game. I think you slow them down and make the Lions shoot the three. If they are on then you have problems. But if you stay in their face and they have an off shooting game like todays, then they are ripe for the picking.

You are correct. But today it was Valley that come out on top of the TO's generated with a 16-9 margin. Also Valley had a 15-7 points off turnovers margin. That with the tight D on the EC 3's and you have them beat. EC can't beat Valley in a half court game so that ends it. The depth of Valley hurts EC too, with SV's bench points winning this category 14-0.

[FBALL]

Well since Elliott has been tested before this game wouldn't you think he would know this? I never did think that Elliott Co. could beat SV IF SV could control the tempo by slowing it way down, keeping defensive pressure on Elliott's shooting; and holding them to a low scoring game under 70. The only doubt that I had was whether SV could do that. Well they have shown me that they can and it paid off for them. Excuses are useless in a tourney.

Shoot I'm not making an excuse for them. I think it is a well known fact that Knipp all though very talented has had questions about attitude and effort in the past. He is a big key to how far Elliott County can go.

[FBALL]

You are correct. But today it was Valley that come out on top of the TO's generated with a 16-9 margin. Also Valley had a 15-7 points off turnovers margin. That with the tight D on the EC 3's and you have them beat. EC can't beat Valley in a half court game so that ends it. The depth of Valley hurts EC too, with SV's bench points winning this category 14-0.

That is all true and why SV came out on top. They executed their game plan and took Elliott out of theres.

Hail to the victors.

[FBALL]

Which is Mason Co for Valley and Adair Co for Elliot. I belive, not real sure tho

More than likely Elliott gets a rematch with Anderson County form the 8th in the first round. While SV will get whoever comes out of the 10th. Mason or GRC are the most likely matchup.

Not a gimme in the bunch. The lower bracket is loaded while the 7th region winner (Ballard, Eastern, Jtown....) will have a relatively easy time in the upper bracket.

[slugger35]

A lot of people say that Elliott County played a bad game, but go back into every thread where Valley has won and a supporter from another team will either admit that Valley was simply the better team or they'll use the, "Our team didn't play very good at all", excuse.

Valley was the better team and was more prepared today.

Blackcat, I am definitely am not an Elliott County fan. But, I was here at the game and in this case Elliott was two steps slower and had no legs. That is not an excuse, I am glad Shelby Valley won, I am just stating a fact.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

Actually I think that one big misconception people have of Elliott County is that they are strictly a three point shooting team. Where the usually score is with their defense and points off turnovers.

Shelby Valley did not turn the ball over much in this game. That limits Elliott Counties chances and slows the game. I think you slow them down and make the Lions shoot the three. If they are on then you have problems. But if you stay in their face and they have an off shooting game like todays, then they are ripe for the picking.

I understand what you are saying FBALL but all I had heard was how well they shot the ball and Valley would have trouble defending their half court game with the addition of their transition game. Valley did turn over the ball more than usual but a misconception about them is how well they run the floor and get back in transition defense. I agree with what you are saying but I still think to much stock has been placed on their spot shooting ability. IE today and the Morgan Co. game.

[alfus21]

Blackcat, I am definitely am not an Elliott County fan. But, I was here at the game and in this case Elliott was two steps slower and had no legs. That is not an excuse, I am glad Shelby Valley won, I am just stating a fact.

Sounds like they should have had a tougher conditioning program in the off season.

[EKY Sportster]

I am a Morgan County fan myself and I hate Elliot County but the debate is not over. I have watched both of these teams 5 or 6 times this year and they are both very good but Elliot did not show up this morning. They had no legs and looked to 2 steps slower and alot of lazy passes. They never woke up until mid way thru the 4th quarter. Glad I was here to see this one. Congratulations Shelby Valley and thanks for knocking out Elliott. But understand this was not the usual Elliott County team. I hope they play this bad come region time.

Well then Elliott County will never make it at Rupp then with its rugged pace. Seriously, whether Elliott was awake or asleep at the wheel, they still blew it. Valley got it done today. Also, it wasn't really that Elliott woke up in the 4th quarter, but that SV broke down. Adams goes out of the game for some reason, then the team just starts missing shots they normally make, including tons of FT's. That isn't a typical SV team either.

You'll never hear me call it any other way than how I see it. I know Elliott is good and can beat many teams including Valley if they are hot. But today they weren't and SV's game plan and execution TODAY had a lot to do with that.

[FBALL]

Sounds like they should have had a tougher conditioning program in the off season.

Honestly I don't think you will find a team in much better shape than the kids from Elliott County.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

Blackcat, I am definitely am not an Elliott County fan. But, I was here at the game and in this case Elliott was two steps slower and had no legs. That is not an excuse, I am glad Shelby Valley won, I am just stating a fact.

I just dont understand how you have no legs when you have beat up on teams and have had a cake walk through the first three rounds. Could have been alot that Valley is in fact that much quicker and Elliot could not keep up. Despite all the talk that Valley couldnt run with them. I understand that you were there and all to watch them play throughout the tourny, but still im just saying Valley may have just been to much. :Thumbs:

[alfus21]

Honestly I don't think you will find a team in much better shape than the kids from Elliott County.

Then why were they "two steps slower" and have "no legs"? I was just saying that in response to the poster that said that. Seems like they had an easier path to get to this game than Shelby Valley. Maybe the bench should have gotten some more playing time in games 1 and 2 to keep those legs "fresh".

[Bluebleeder12]

The way I see it Ec was ranked #1 for a reason. Right.
They play consistent- always. Or so they have been this whole season. You knock off a #1 team, it is simple. They met their match- Valley.

[InstantOffense]

EC may have just looked slow. I truly think SV has the quickest, most agile back court in the state. Faulkner #1 had 8 turnovers due to that very fact.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

Well then Elliott County will never make it at Rupp then with its rugged pace. Seriously, whether Elliott was awake or asleep at the wheel, they still blew it. Valley got it done today. Also, it wasn't really that Elliott woke up in the 4th quarter, but that SV broke down. Adams goes out of the game for some reason, then the team just starts missing shots they normally make, including tons of FT's. That isn't a typical SV team either.

You'll never hear me call it any other way than how I see it. I know Elliott is good and can beat many teams including Valley if they are hot. But today they weren't and SV's game plan and execution TODAY had a lot to do with that.

1. that is your typical Valley team. I hate to say it but in the past three seasons they beat themselves alot when it comes to crunch time.

2. Isnt that the truth you really do and I applaud that. :p

[InstantOffense]

Well then Elliott County will never make it at Rupp then with its rugged pace. Seriously, whether Elliott was awake or asleep at the wheel, they still blew it. Valley got it done today. Also, it wasn't really that Elliott woke up in the 4th quarter, but that SV broke down. Adams goes out of the game for some reason, then the team just starts missing shots they normally make, including tons of FT's. That isn't a typical SV team either.

You'll never hear me call it any other way than how I see it. I know Elliott is good and can beat many teams including Valley if they are hot. But today they weren't and SV's game plan and execution TODAY had a lot to do with that.

Good post and thanks for rooting on a fellow 15th region team.

[slugger35]

Sounds like they should have had a tougher conditioning program in the off season.

Looked to me like they all sat up too late last night. They didn't look the same while warming up. They looked flat to me and they were 1 for their first 8 from the floor. Easy shots they normally make. I hope they play this way in the region.

[EKY Sportster]

EC may have just looked slow. I truly think SV has the quickest, most agile back court in the state. Faulkner #1 had 8 turnovers due to that very fact.

I agree with you there. I don't know if EC was slower today or not, but they had no reason to be. But despite the quickness of SV's guards, there is no way that Valley could play a run and gun style with EC. SV played the game plan they needed to in order to win this one. They just dropped off big in the last 4 or so minutes for some reason.

[EKY Sportster]

Looked to me like they all sat up too late last night. They didn't look the same while warming up. They looked flat to me and they were 1 for their first 8 from the floor. Easy shots they normally make. I hope they play this way in the region.

Well teams that want to play in the All A tourney and in the Sweet Sixteen, better learn to get their rest. I know Paintsville has learned the hard way before that you can't stay up at these tourneys and come out sharp. Your Morgan Co. teams have also learned this lesson at tourneys too. That is still no excuse. You win or lose and Elliott just didn't handle Valley very well. But the Valley coaches need to re-analyze part of that 4th quarter to make sure there is no repeat of the coaching strategy nor the execution by the players that we seen today.

[slugger35]

I just dont understand how you have no legs when you have beat up on teams and have had a cake walk through the first three rounds. Could have been alot that Valley is in fact that much quicker and Elliot could not keep up. Despite all the talk that Valley couldnt run with them. I understand that you were there and all to watch them play throughout the tourny, but still im just saying Valley may have just been to much. :Thumbs:

I wish that were the case but no it wasn't. You know how you see teams warming up and you say to yourself, they look flat, that was the case with Elliott this morning. I knew when they were warming up that they were not going to play well. It looked to me like they were going thru the motions and like they under estimated Valley. They were not mentally ready for this game and Valley took advantage of it.

[EKY Sportster]

I wish that were the case but no it wasn't. You know how you see teams warming up and you say to yourself, they look flat, that was the case with Elliott this morning. I knew when they were warming up that they were not going to play well. It looked to me like they were going thru the motions and like they under estimated Valley. They were not mentally ready for this game and Valley took advantage of it.

That is what good teams are supposed to do!

[slugger35]

That is what good teams are supposed to do!

I agree, and Shelby Valley is a good team, and they played ver well today. I said yesterday if Elliott played up to their potential they would win easily and after watching the game in person this morning, I will stick to that statement.

[InstantOffense]

If Elliott couldn't get up for this game then they can't get up for any game. This game has been hyped since 2007. Im sorry but that is one sorry excuse. Today was the first time Elliott has faced that kind of pressure from a Kentucky team ad they couldn't handle it. Bottom line. To say they weren't up for this game, playing in the All-A semi-finals against a team that people compare you with constantly? Why wouldn't they be ready for Valley?

[StrikeoutKing]

its awesome baby with a capital A, bring it home VALLEY and coach Booher Pike and Floyd countys are so proud of you guys!!!!!!!!

You and your Dickie V impersonations! Just let it go, man. haha

To be honest, I thought Elliot County would win a close one, but I am glad to see Shelby Valley win. Both teams are very good and should make noise in Rupp (should both advance of course). Congrats, Wildcats! Now go win the first All A State Title for the 15th Region and bring home the hardware!!!

[dortonite]

I predicted a 1 or 2 point win but will take a 3. I was really impressed with

both teams, they are each very good and represent their schools well. I was

surprised at the shot blocking skills of the 6ft7inch Knipp, and he is a scorer

also. The Faulkners are as advertised and so is Ferguson.

Adams played his best game for SV in quite a while, he came to play today

which he doesn't always do. SV stuck to their game plan and played a great

game I thought. A little surprised Justice did not score more, maybe his

shoulder is still bothering him somewhat. Team needs to practice foul shots.

GREAT WIN, GO WILDCATS!!

[PC_You_Know]

Honestly I don't think you will find a team in much better shape than the kids from Elliott County.

Buddy, you have made EVERY excuse their is to make about Elliott in this thread. Shelby Valley's defense put Elliott in hysteria today, and unlike 50% of posters on this site thought, the twins couldn't shut down Elisha Justice. He showed in this game that he is the best PG in the mountains with his defense in this game, Elisha doesn't always have to score 30 points for Valley to win, like the Faulkner twins have to do every night. Elliott better see what they did wrong in this game, or they could make an early exit in the sweet 16 if they meet Valley in the 2nd round.

[PC_You_Know]

If Elliott couldn't get up for this game then they can't get up for any game. This game has been hyped since 2007. Im sorry but that is one sorry excuse. Today was the first time Elliott has faced that kind of pressure from a Kentucky team ad they couldn't handle it. Bottom line. To say they weren't up for this game, playing in the All-A semi-finals against a team that people compare you with constantly? Why wouldn't they be ready for Valley?

Exactly. Elliott figured they'd just win this game like they did 2 years ago because they have basically the same team. If you can't get hyped up for a team that is hungry for blood, then you better recheck your priorities for the rest of the season, because Elliott, you still have a region tourney to win before you think of playing Shelby Valley again.