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10-20-2008, 04:17 PM
Who are some of the fastest players in the mountains? Anyone know any REAL 40 times?
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10-20-2008, 04:40 PM
Caleb Watkins was timed by Joker Phillips at the UK football camp this summer at 4.47.
10-20-2008, 04:49 PM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Here we go....... haha
"Freshman Jimmy Jack Johnson ran a 4.2 and has D-1 offers from USC, Ohio State, and LSU"
You know what, you can laugh if you want, He was timed three separate times and his fastest time (timed by Joker himself) was a 4.47. Joker was impressed that he was just a junior. I saw the data sheet with my own eyes when Rich Brooks had it at the end of camp. And by the way, 4.47 and 4.2 are miles apart, so your comparison is really like apples and oranges. A tenth of a second is huge when it comes to 40 yard times. Caleb has been invited by UK, UofL, Western, and UAB for game days this year. In fact, he was told that he was welcome at all the UK home games and when he isn't visiting other schools that's where he goes.
10-20-2008, 05:01 PM
BIGREDDAWG Wrote:You know what, you can laugh if you want, He was timed three separate times and his fastest time (timed by Joker himself) was a 4.47. Joker was impressed that he was just a junior. I saw the data sheet with my own eyes when Rich Brooks had it at the end of camp. And by the way, 4.47 and 4.2 are miles apart, so your comparison is really like apples and oranges. A tenth of a second is huge when it comes to 40 yard times. Caleb has been invited by UK, UofL, Western, and UAB for game days this year. In fact, he was told that he was welcome at all the UK home games and when he isn't visiting other schools that's where he goes.
HAHA I wasn't directing that at you.. just at the fact that usually you will hear about some kid you have never heard of at a school who is 1-9 who runs a 4.4 40 and is beign looked at by D-1 schools. You posted in the time it took me to type my response (hence it being one minute apart)
10-20-2008, 05:08 PM
According to another post, all the Bell Co defense runs under a 5 second 40.
10-20-2008, 05:14 PM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:HAHA I wasn't directing that at you.. just at the fact that usually you will hear about some kid you have never heard of at a school who is 1-9 who runs a 4.4 40 and is beign looked at by D-1 schools. You posted in the time it took me to type my response (hence it being one minute apart)
My apologies. But a 4.47 is not out of the realm of possibility with the athletes we have in the mountains.
10-20-2008, 05:53 PM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Considering how Bell played this past weekend would you think this is still far fetched?
Yes, I would. Bell is a great team they do have size and speed, but I don't see the whole defense running under 5.
10-20-2008, 07:39 PM
Not all just 10 of them. Slingblade which one did you think did not out of the 11 for Bell??????
40's are very objective. Depends on who times them. Our Coach is know for sandbagging heavily. Also field speed is different than clock speed.
40's are very objective. Depends on who times them. Our Coach is know for sandbagging heavily. Also field speed is different than clock speed.
10-20-2008, 10:40 PM
The only true 40 time you can get is from a laser. I was at a place last year, that will remain annonymous, helping out and a coach told me that they had 7 or 8 kids under a 4.7 and then I timed them and they ran like a 5.1. I asked them about it and they said they cheated a little bit to give the kids confidence.
10-21-2008, 12:30 AM
Greg Adams for Hazard runs around a 4.5 -40yd dash
Dustin Miller for Hazard has been timed at a 4.48
Dustin Miller for Hazard has been timed at a 4.48
10-21-2008, 03:59 AM
Prestonsburg
RB/DB Allen Craynon - 4.6
RB/LB Seth Setser - 4.9
WR/DB Austin Gearheart - 4.7
RB/DB Allen Craynon - 4.6
RB/LB Seth Setser - 4.9
WR/DB Austin Gearheart - 4.7
10-21-2008, 07:06 AM
Andy Lewis of Johnson Central runs a sub 4.3 probably 4.27 or 4.28. He finished 3rd at the state track meet in the 100 meters and 4th in the 200 running against the big boys. He can fly!
10-21-2008, 09:18 AM
Keepnitreal Wrote:Andy Lewis of Johnson Central runs a sub 4.3 probably 4.27 or 4.28. He finished 3rd at the state track meet in the 100 meters and 4th in the 200 running against the big boys. He can fly!
Not buying it... EJ Fields won the 100 meters last year and his best time is just below a 4.5... when David Jones was at Belfry his BEST laser time was around a 4.4... so you are saying this kid is faster than Jones?
10-21-2008, 10:07 AM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Not buying it... EJ Fields won the 100 meters last year and his best time is just below a 4.5... when David Jones was at Belfry his BEST laser time was around a 4.4... so you are saying this kid is faster than Jones?
You, my friend are incorrect.... But I was a little off also.
State 100 meter dash (3A)
1st Justin Green - Male - 10.90
2nd Tim Phillips - Trininty - 11.36
3rd Andrew Lewis - Johnson Central - 11.46
And yes, he has been hand timed at 4.27, which is not accurate but I'm sure thats what all these are.
10-21-2008, 10:27 AM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Not buying it... EJ Fields won the 100 meters last year and his best time is just below a 4.5... when David Jones was at Belfry his BEST laser time was around a 4.4... so you are saying this kid is faster than Jones?
Yes i can for one say that he is about 1 to 2 steps faster then jones. I didnt believe Andy when he came to JC, i was a senior and this skinny kid just walked into the weight room talkin he could run like a 4.4 or a high 4.3 and we all called him bluff so we had sean grim run against him sean was in shorts and running shoes and andy was in jeans and i think a pair of speries (summen like a dress shoe) and andy beat him by about 5 to 6 yards in the 40 and grim runs a 4.6. Andy has also gotten faster but hes not cut out for football hes a track runner! Im sure tho that he is the fastest kid in the mountains!
10-21-2008, 10:29 AM
Sheldon Clark freshman Skyles ran 4.70 at combine in july, was clocked on the turf two weeks ago at 4.62, not bad for a 9th grader. Some of the times on here I find hard to believe, your talking world class speed at a (sub 4.3 ) A 4.5 is moving in high school, but just speed in the forty doesnt translate to good football player, just means he should run track during the spring. Football has so many other skill sets besides just speed,although speed helps its not the only factor.
10-21-2008, 10:33 AM
kp10 Wrote:Sheldon Clark freshman Skyles ran 4.70 at combine in july, was clocked on the turf two weeks ago at 4.62, not bad for a 9th grader. Some of the times on here I find hard to believe, your talking world class speed at a (sub 4.3 ) A 4.5 is moving in high school, but just speed in the forty doesnt translate to good football player, just means he should run track during the spring. Football has so many other skill sets besides just speed,although speed helps its not the only factor.
Right i agree 100% some people are so fast but just arent cut out for a contact sport!
10-21-2008, 10:37 AM
Keepnitreal Wrote:You, my friend are incorrect.... But I was a little off also.
State 100 meter dash (3A)
1st Justin Green - Male - 10.90
2nd Tim Phillips - Trininty - 11.36
3rd Andrew Lewis - Johnson Central - 11.46
And yes, he has been hand timed at 4.27, which is not accurate but I'm sure thats what all these are.
How am I incorrect?
Lewis' time was 11.46 for 100 yards.... 40 yards is 4/10 of 100 yards...
Thus it is simple math that if you take his 100 yard time (11.46) and multiply it by 4/10 (.4) then you get a 4.584 estimate for the 40 yard dash.
Which is fairly leniant considering that in a 40 he would have to get up to speed unlike his 100 time where he actually does reach optimal speed and can sustain it.
For example you use Justin Green of Male, who won the race.
Green's estimated 40 would be 4.36, which is accurate considering the times that has been associated with him and others on recruiting sites.
Green defeated Lewis by well over a full second..so if Lewis runs a 4.2 40 that means Justin Green runs a sub 4.0 40 which puts him on the same level as Usain Bolt....
10-21-2008, 10:54 AM
TooFast Wrote:Yes i can for one say that he is about 1 to 2 steps faster then jones. I didnt believe Andy when he came to JC, i was a senior and this skinny kid just walked into the weight room talkin he could run like a 4.4 or a high 4.3 and we all called him bluff so we had sean grim run against him sean was in shorts and running shoes and andy was in jeans and i think a pair of speries (summen like a dress shoe) and andy beat him by about 5 to 6 yards in the 40 and grim runs a 4.6. Andy has also gotten faster but hes not cut out for football hes a track runner! Im sure tho that he is the fastest kid in the mountains!http://www.khsaa.org/track/2005/regions/...egion6.pdf
He may be but Jones ran a 10.8 40 in the regional finals and a 11.00 at state, and Jones never touched a sub 4.3 40 in high school.
10-21-2008, 11:01 AM
IRISH4 Wrote:The only true 40 time you can get is from a laser. I was at a place last year, that will remain annonymous, helping out and a coach told me that they had 7 or 8 kids under a 4.7 and then I timed them and they ran like a 5.1. I asked them about it and they said they cheated a little bit to give the kids confidence.
Some coaches do that, others like Coach Hilton time them slow so they will work harder at improving there speed.
10-21-2008, 11:05 AM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:How am I incorrect?
Lewis' time was 11.46 for 100 yards.... 40 yards is 4/10 of 100 yards...
Thus it is simple math that if you take his 100 yard time (11.46) and multiply it by 4/10 (.4) then you get a 4.584 estimate for the 40 yard dash.
Which is fairly leniant considering that in a 40 he would have to get up to speed unlike his 100 time where he actually does reach optimal speed and can sustain it.
For example you use Justin Green of Male, who won the race.
Green's estimated 40 would be 4.36, which is accurate considering the times that has been associated with him and others on recruiting sites.
Green defeated Lewis by well over a full second..so if Lewis runs a 4.2 40 that means Justin Green runs a sub 4.0 40 which puts him on the same level as Usain Bolt....
You cant use that as a forty time. some people start to run faster after the 45-50 meter mark.
10-21-2008, 11:16 AM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:How am I incorrect?
Lewis' time was 11.46 for 100 yards.... 40 yards is 4/10 of 100 yards...
Thus it is simple math that if you take his 100 yard time (11.46) and multiply it by 4/10 (.4) then you get a 4.584 estimate for the 40 yard dash.
Which is fairly leniant considering that in a 40 he would have to get up to speed unlike his 100 time where he actually does reach optimal speed and can sustain it.
For example you use Justin Green of Male, who won the race.
Green's estimated 40 would be 4.36, which is accurate considering the times that has been associated with him and others on recruiting sites.
Green defeated Lewis by well over a full second..so if Lewis runs a 4.2 40 that means Justin Green runs a sub 4.0 40 which puts him on the same level as Usain Bolt....
When I said you were wrong it was directed at your statement about EJ Fields winning the 100 meter at state.
I'm not meaning to get in your feeling over this. It was a simple post. If it makes you feel better believing he's not that fast then I'm fine with that. Believe what you want.
You cannot use the logic you're trying to determine an estimated 40 time. He won the region with a 10.94, using your logic he's capable of a 4.37. Yes, some people may be faster at the end and some are faster early in a sprint, there are just to many variables. And I do want to point out it was hand timed and admitted it may not be 100% correct. I'm not arguing with you on a board. I know I'm right and i'm ending it with that!
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