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09-29-2008, 12:49 PM
With the district title now being awarded in 5 of the 6 classes in regular season, I would like to get your comments on how it will affect the playoffs.
09-29-2008, 12:51 PM
This is how the playoff system was for a very long time. I still liked playing in district till Regionals. Its how it should be, first you gotta win district, then Regionals, the semi-state, then finally state.
09-29-2008, 12:53 PM
I know if we win district then it is either hosting pulaski or south laruel. Dont' know for sure yet.
09-29-2008, 12:56 PM
I think this is better. I like the old style of play off system.. I think it is more exciting this way.
Romans 14:11
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It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' "
09-29-2008, 02:17 PM
DEVILOLOGIST Wrote:I think this is better. I like the old style of play off system.. I think it is more exciting this way.
I am putting this on record before Russell is expected to travel to Belfry again for the regional finals....
I agree, I really prefer this style, but do wish they would have taken playoff rotations more carefully into the equation so as to not give any team an unwarranted advantage.
09-29-2008, 02:28 PM
It is the same way it use to be, but with 6 classes. That is to many classes, they should have added one more to 5A. They done that because alot of this school that never make the playoffs was crying about it. Last year there was alot of school in the playoffs that was 0-10, and u saw alot of blow out in the early rounds.
09-29-2008, 03:20 PM
And it is another chance to injure starters.......
Romans 14:11
It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' "
It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' "
09-29-2008, 03:57 PM
I think they should take the top two teams from each district and get the regional champion from those four teams. I agree, You shouldn't be in the playoffs if you don't win a district game, or if the only game youwin is against an 0-10 team.
09-29-2008, 04:06 PM
I Rule The World Wrote:I think they should take the top two teams from each district and get the regional champion from those four teams. I agree, You shouldn't be in the playoffs if you don't win a district game, or if the only game youwin is against an 0-10 team.
I fully agree...:rockon:
09-29-2008, 04:25 PM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:I am putting this on record before Russell is expected to travel to Belfry again for the regional finals....Ha Ha, I don't feel too sorry for the Red Devils or any other team that has to travel. BTW, Russell has fared pretty well over the years on the road. I just hope both teams make it to the regional finals this year and we can all tailgate together and see if Belfry can return the favor from the last visit that Russell made to the CAM in 2006.
I agree, I really prefer this style, but do wish they would have taken playoff rotations more carefully into the equation so as to not give any team an unwarranted advantage.
09-29-2008, 04:33 PM
Well it will make the post season interesting for JCHS, I believe if they beat Highlands, they win state. Like I said if and that's a big if. I believe!:wenumber1
09-29-2008, 04:39 PM
brown_ind1977 Wrote:Well it will make the post season interesting for JCHS, I believe if they beat Highlands, they win state. Like I said if and that's a big if. I believe!:wenumber1I believe you are right. If anyone ever beats Highlands, they should automatically get the big trophy.
09-30-2008, 09:23 AM
bucslover68 Wrote:I believe you are right. If anyone ever beats Highlands, they should automatically get the big trophy.
Normally I'd say you are right, but this year the West bracket has some very strong teams. John Hardin, Owensboro, Christian County and Bowling Green are all very, very good this year. I had the opportunity to see Owensboro play Hoptown, and I was impressed. They are considerably better than Bowling Green was last year. And a lot of the "experts" on the West think John Hardin is better than Owensboro. Could this be the year for the 5A team from the West to win 5A? Its got to happen eventually and with all the very strong teams out there it may be this year. I will say that other than the Highlands, the 5A teams from N. Ky are very poor this year. In my assessment, Dixie is again poorly coached. Nice athletes, but poor coaching. CovCath I believe (and I don't think any CovCath fan agrees with me on this point) is well coached, but other than 3 or 4 players, doesn't have the athletes this year (next year may be worse for them). Holmes' coach is doing a great job of turning around the mentality of the players but is still a couple if not several years from being able to move past the first or second round and Scott, well God love them, is still Scott. Better this year than years past, but still not likely to even make the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised to see JC's district win 3 of the 4 first round games.
09-30-2008, 09:29 AM
i like it it makes things more interesting
09-30-2008, 10:57 AM
NO! We need a points system. Each team gets points for each win. If the teams you beat, beat somebody, you get bonus points from them also. The tougher your compitetion, the more points you get. Teams get ranked from all their points. At the end of the year, you have 16 teams in each class. #1 plays #16, etc. It makes teams schedule tougher opponents to get a higher ranking. No watered down playoffs. You have to win to get in. No more 1-9 teams making the playoffs. Of course, everybody knows, it just boils down to making more money.
09-30-2008, 11:12 AM
Beetle01 Wrote:This is how the playoff system was for a very long time. I still liked playing in district till Regionals. Its how it should be, first you gotta win district, then Regionals, the semi-state, then finally state.
Exactly. No need to mix everything in together.
09-30-2008, 11:14 AM
blitz43 Wrote:NO! We need a points system. Each team gets points for each win. If the teams you beat, beat somebody, you get bonus points from them also. The tougher your compitetion, the more points you get. Teams get ranked from all their points. At the end of the year, you have 16 teams in each class. #1 plays #16, etc. It makes teams schedule tougher opponents to get a higher ranking. No watered down playoffs. You have to win to get in. No more 1-9 teams making the playoffs. Of course, everybody knows, it just boils down to making more money.
Doesn't Ohio do that? I seem to think so for some reason. I really like that idea. You dont see good teams scheduling creampuffs anymore. It's perfect.
All in favor say "I"
09-30-2008, 09:54 PM
IMHO, So many private schools were dominating the play-offs and finals. Yes, we have discussed about every angle there is about it. I still think it take the eyes off of it. Create more classes to give public schools at least one or two state championships.
RUSSELL RED DEVILS
09-30-2008, 10:49 PM
No, because less teams in the district is making it difficult for some teams to fill there schedule. I have talked to several coaches and that was the feedback that I got from them. Especially for teams that play in four team districts
09-30-2008, 10:56 PM
Blitz that is West Virginia's system and I hate it because every week it puts pressure on you. Last year several 6-4 and some 7-3 teams did not qualify for playoffs. I like the districts but only two from each district qualifying. I know that it generates interest with four teams. But I am sorry teams that are 0-10, 1-9,2-8,3-7,4-6 don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Four classes two teams from each district that is perfect
09-30-2008, 11:54 PM
joethegreek Wrote:Blitz that is West Virginia's system and I hate it because every week it puts pressure on you. Last year several 6-4 and some 7-3 teams did not qualify for playoffs. I like the districts but only two from each district qualifying. I know that it generates interest with four teams. But I am sorry teams that are 0-10, 1-9,2-8,3-7,4-6 don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Four classes two teams from each district that is perfect
Hey greek, have you and Frosty kissed and made up yet or are you gonna wait to go under the bleachers Friday down at Hambley? Just kiddin with ya. I agree that the top two out of the district should go. You could make a case for the top three and give the number 1 team a bye, but i believe we are stuck with the present system for a while.
10-01-2008, 12:32 AM
Frosty is kinda upset at me. But Buc I guess that people agree with me or the majority have because no one in Pikeville is giving me grief yet about my comments
10-01-2008, 01:00 AM
I think this is a very good idea. It gives teams the opportunity to face teams they haven't played or planned for all season. I think it really shakes things up and it will be a big success.
10-01-2008, 09:19 AM
blitz43 Wrote:NO! We need a points system. Each team gets points for each win. If the teams you beat, beat somebody, you get bonus points from them also. The tougher your compitetion, the more points you get. Teams get ranked from all their points. At the end of the year, you have 16 teams in each class. #1 plays #16, etc. It makes teams schedule tougher opponents to get a higher ranking. No watered down playoffs. You have to win to get in. No more 1-9 teams making the playoffs. Of course, everybody knows, it just boils down to making more money.
One MAJOR problem...
What if Mayfield is the #1 seed and Paintsville is the #16 seed? That's a nine hour trip for a playoff game that will probably be a blowout.
Even better, imagine Fulton County is the #8 seed, and Pikeville is the #9 seed. The Panthers would the make a nearly 10 hour trip because the computer's subjective formula decided that FUlton County was slightly better.
I am also going to use Phelps as an example to illustrate this flaw as well in another point below. Imagine you are Phelps, a team with little to no history to brag about, and somehow you piece together a solid season and reach the playoffs. You then are paired with a team that requires an 8 hour trip, you have to pay a ton of money in gas and travel expense, and your best case scenario is to get the split from the gates of a game that has a very tiny attendance. Where is the benefit here to reward teams who have historically struggled and suddenly try to tur their program around? It could eb argued that the financial impact of that agme would hurt Phelp's program more than help it.
Ohio uses a computer system to seed teams, but they break the pairings down regionally. FWIW, Ohio people are not completely sold on their system. To put it in perspective, we all know how horrible the Litkenhous ratings are, in essence you are depending ona system that would seed teams without ever seeing them play a snap of football.
Let's use Phelps again. After busting thier butts off and earning a 7-3 record they miss the playoffs because the computer views their 6 team district as one of the weakest in the state and penalizes them for games they are required to play (BTW, whether or not to do away with districts is a whole new arguement we will get into later). Suddenly, a program who has absolutely busted their tails to try to earna first round playoff game is denied because Team B, let's say a 5-5 Louisville Holy Cross, plays ina 4-team district and was able to schedule some big time opponents who wiped the floor with them.
10-01-2008, 09:24 AM
joethegreek Wrote:Blitz that is West Virginia's system and I hate it because every week it puts pressure on you. Last year several 6-4 and some 7-3 teams did not qualify for playoffs. I like the districts but only two from each district qualifying. I know that it generates interest with four teams. But I am sorry teams that are 0-10, 1-9,2-8,3-7,4-6 don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Four classes two teams from each district that is perfectYes that is WV system. I played at Gilbert and we missed the playoffs my Jr. season at 6-4. I still love the points system. I think the pressure is great. BTW, I don't recall a team being 7 - 3 & not getting in. The must have had a really weak schedule. Usually 6 - 4 is the foggy point.
10-01-2008, 09:25 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-01-2008, 09:26 AM by kybaseball.)
blitz43 Wrote:NO! We need a points system. Each team gets points for each win. If the teams you beat, beat somebody, you get bonus points from them also. The tougher your compitetion, the more points you get. Teams get ranked from all their points. At the end of the year, you have 16 teams in each class. #1 plays #16, etc. It makes teams schedule tougher opponents to get a higher ranking. No watered down playoffs. You have to win to get in. No more 1-9 teams making the playoffs. Of course, everybody knows, it just boils down to making more money.
Heck no!! I respect your opinion but we don't need to be like Ohio. I hate their system.
10-01-2008, 09:26 AM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:One MAJOR problem...You can go to any point in the state less than any time you put on here. 9 & 10 hr. trips! Don't be silly. I can drive to Myrtle Beach in less time.
What if Mayfield is the #1 seed and Paintsville is the #16 seed? That's a nine hour trip for a playoff game that will probably be a blowout.
Even better, imagine Fulton County is the #8 seed, and Pikeville is the #9 seed. The Panthers would the make a nearly 10 hour trip because the computer's subjective formula decided that FUlton County was slightly better.
Ohio uses a computer system to seed teams, but they break the pairings down regionally. FWIW, Ohio people are not completely sold on their system. To put it in perspective, we all know how horrible the Litkenhous ratings are, in essence you are depending ona system that would seed teams without ever seeing them play a snap of football.
10-01-2008, 09:33 AM
The point system will not stop teams from scheduling cream puffs with as many playoff spots as we have. If team A beats team B then Team B beats team C which could be a cream puff then team A gets points for team B's victory.
I think I have it right if I am wrong someone correct me please.
I think I have it right if I am wrong someone correct me please.
10-01-2008, 09:34 AM
blitz43 Wrote:You can go to any point in the state less than any time you put on here. 9 & 10 hr. trips! Don't be silly. I can drive to Myrtle Beach in less time.
I believe he was talking about the round trip not one way.
10-01-2008, 09:42 AM
Midee1 Wrote:I believe he was talking about the round trip not one way.
My Bad. I was gonna say, Man he sure is driving a slow car...Must be a chevy...LOL
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