[kj52]

I cheer for whoever comes out of the 14th. What I do not understand is why do people hate JBS(or did) when their talent was there form grade school and Hazards talent was brought in during their high school career?

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

I find it so funny when a team has success and someone else from another school has to find some way tear them down. The cold hard truth of the matter is that every school in this state has at one time or another hired a person from a principal all the way down to a janitor because they had a child who was a good athlete and they wanted the child to come to their school and play sports. Also how strange is it that 100% of the time the people that are crying foul about this are from schools that lost to this team? You never here a team that beats another team say that the other team is "cheating" in some way? To answer the question in this thread is yes I have a hard time pulling for Hazard but thats only because Im from Pikeville and were bitter rivals on the football field.
Another thing I dont care what the circumstances are in how those boys wound up over there the fact remains that the team still had to put in the work it takes to go to the sweet sixteen. Regardless of the situation the sacrifices they made in practice and in the games not only deserves everyones respect but DEMANDS it.

[thecavemaster]

I find it so funny when a team has success and someone else from another school has to find some way tear them down. The cold hard truth of the matter is that every school in this state has at one time or another hired a person from a principal all the way down to a janitor because they had a child who was a good athlete and they wanted the child to come to their school and play sports. Also how strange is it that 100% of the time the people that are crying foul about this are from schools that lost to this team? You never here a team that beats another team say that the other team is "cheating" in some way? To answer the question in this thread is yes I have a hard time pulling for Hazard but thats only because Im from Pikeville and were bitter rivals on the football field.
Another thing I dont care what the circumstances are in how those boys wound up over there the fact remains that the team still had to put in the work it takes to go to the sweet sixteen. Regardless of the situation the sacrifices they made in practice and in the games not only deserves everyones respect but DEMANDS it.

Thank you for your lengthy statement. Work ethic is not being questioned. Sacrifice is not being questioned. Hiring folks to gain access to their talented athletes is, it seems to me, akin to recruiting, as is moving around and "shopping" a program or a player. I'll cry...you pontificate (ad nauseum) with your justifications.

[warmachine]

Looks like Hail Pikeville has been watching "Hoosiers" again.

Anyway, is Joe Begley one of Hazards assistants now? I heard he was a basketball coach for one of the county schools. I saw him in the newspaper with the Hazard team. Anyone know if Joe is at Hazard now coaching?

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

Thank you for your lengthy statement. Work ethic is not being questioned. Sacrifice is not being questioned. Hiring folks to gain access to their talented athletes is, it seems to me, akin to recruiting, as is moving around and "shopping" a program or a player. I'll cry...you pontificate (ad nauseum) with your justifications.

Dont get me wrong Im not justifying the practice. Im just saying that its time for all of us to start being honest with ourselves that good or bad there isnt a school in this state that hasnt been guilty of it at one time or another.

[thecavemaster]

Dont get me wrong Im not justifying the practice. Im just saying that its time for all of us to start being honest with ourselves that good or bad there isnt a school in this state that hasnt been guilty of it at one time or another.

I think a lot of schools exist that have not benefited from recruits. The question of whether they would or would not if the chance came is a tougher question.

[Survivor]

Thank you for your lengthy statement. Work ethic is not being questioned. Sacrifice is not being questioned. Hiring folks to gain access to their talented athletes is, it seems to me, akin to recruiting, as is moving around and "shopping" a program or a player. I'll cry...you pontificate (ad nauseum) with your justifications.

Who are you trying to impress with your fancy words? Heck, most of us on here can barely spell.irateSho

[kj52]

Someone bought a dictionary.

[thecavemaster]

Who are you trying to impress with your fancy words? Heck, most of us on here can barely spell.irateSho

I post as I speak; the impressions of others are not mine to create or of concern.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I post as I speak; the impressions of others are not mine to create or of concern.

I bet you all have really interesting Thanksgiving dinners then. I agree with the other post. Is there any school in the area or state that only has players that are supposed to be in the school they attend? By that, I mean from first grade on. Most schools have kids to transfer in and transfer out. Some of it is for sports, some for other reasons. I bet if all the kids mentioned in here that play for Hazard didnt play sports and just went there because it was a better school than where they came from that nothing would be said. I have yet to read where such and such school cheated in a academic meet or science meet because they had students that they was not supposed to have on the team. As a parent of a athlete, I know that not all parents are worried about how junior will do on the court as much as how they do in the classroom and how prepared they are for college. High school sports are only for four years. Not a lifetime like a quality education is.

[thecavemaster]

I bet you all have really interesting Thanksgiving dinners then. I agree with the other post. Is there any school in the area or state that only has players that are supposed to be in the school they attend? By that, I mean from first grade on. Most schools have kids to transfer in and transfer out. Some of it is for sports, some for other reasons. I bet if all the kids mentioned in here that play for Hazard didnt play sports and just went there because it was a better school than where they came from that nothing would be said. I have yet to read where such and such school cheated in a academic meet or science meet because they had students that they was not supposed to have on the team. As a parent of a athlete, I know that not all parents are worried about how junior will do on the court as much as how they do in the classroom and how prepared they are for college. High school sports are only for four years. Not a lifetime like a quality education is.

The problem with your argument here, as I see it, is that it dances around the real issue. I have yet to see 20,000 people show up at an academic match, though a few movies about spelling bee's exist, and TV coverage. I don't think Al Holland says, "Hey, that Johnson kid can really spell and do science. Geez, he can't even dribble...but we really need him at Hazard." Some parents shop for exposure, for the trip to Rupp, viewing rules or competitive fairness as minor obstacles to be overcome at all costs.

[RavenBoy]

Its just a High School basketball team.

[liveordie20]

PCC is my team, i hate Hazard. However, I believe any other team would have hired that coach to get those boys. Shoot i kno i would have. They did nothing wrong, great team, great coach, but still, i hate you guys. lol

[thecavemaster]

PCC is my team, i hate Hazard. However, I believe any other team would have hired that coach to get those boys. Shoot i kno i would have. They did nothing wrong, great team, great coach, but still, i hate you guys. lol

Who would have played point guard for Hazard had Whitaker not come from Bell County? Who lost minutes? While it is true that 1.3 billion Chinese do not know this debate is happening, the sum total of this disagreement does impact the competitive fairness of high school athletics in Kentucky. To refuse to acknowledge that renders one either unconsciously or purposefully naive.

[Homer Simpson]

Does anyone else think it's a little hard to cheer for Hazard knowing they have two players from Bell County who start? Dakota Euton to Scott County, this one over here, that one over there... what, exactly, is the KHSAA for?

Well there wantin championships and to be noticed.. If Landon Slone or Clark Stepp would have played at scott co. they would have been noticed more because those teams play more of a challenging schedule and play better athletes aswell and everyone knows when you play someone better than you you gotta step your game up.. IF Euton would have stayed at rose hill he would hardly get any rings .. Thats why i say go dawgs

[RavenBoy]

Every team as players that transfers, or the ones that are good.

[thecavemaster]

Every team as players that transfers, or the ones that are good.

This seems a broad assertion. Plenty of good teams were made up of students who were "one district" kids for their whole careers.

[Survivor]

Who would have played point guard for Hazard had Whitaker not come from Bell County? Who lost minutes? While it is true that 1.3 billion Chinese do not know this debate is happening, the sum total of this disagreement does impact the competitive fairness of high school athletics in Kentucky. To refuse to acknowledge that renders one either unconsciously or purposefully naive.

Oh Mr. Cavemaster I just love your ability to analyze things. I bet you were a psyh major and received your degree from Harvard?? Wouldn't it be great if we could get those 1.3 Chinese people involved in Eastern KY basketball?? I don't think anyone really thinks that the "sum total" as you say impacts anything. This is just opinions of a very few people who have nothing better to do. Why don't you quit trying to act like Eienstien and just reply like the rest of us hillbillies.

[thecavemaster]

Oh Mr. Cavemaster I just love your ability to analyze things. I bet you were a psyh major and received your degree from Harvard?? Wouldn't it be great if we could get those 1.3 Chinese people involved in Eastern KY basketball?? I don't think anyone really thinks that the "sum total" as you say impacts anything. This is just opinions of a very few people who have nothing better to do. Why don't you quit trying to act like Eienstien and just reply like the rest of us hillbillies.

What? Don't go to Vegas...your gambling skills might render you indigent. As for "sum total," you are wrong... competitive fairness is impacted. Now, if I slum my hair up and start talking about relativity and such....

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

The problem with your argument here, as I see it, is that it dances around the real issue. I have yet to see 20,000 people show up at an academic match, though a few movies about spelling bee's exist, and TV coverage. I don't think Al Holland says, "Hey, that Johnson kid can really spell and do science. Geez, he can't even dribble...but we really need him at Hazard." Some parents shop for exposure, for the trip to Rupp, viewing rules or competitive fairness as minor obstacles to be overcome at all costs.

Ok hotshot explain where any rules were broken in this situation. A qualified coach was hired
at another school district and his sons moved with him. Where are there any major threats to competetive fairness in all this? I guess youre solution to the problem would be to tell the mans sons "Ok daddy is moving an hour away but you cant go with him because youve got to stay at the school you originaly started at." Do you see the shear insanity of your arguement here? Also on the other hand just imagine how it would go over at a coaches job interview when the school board informs the parent that he/she didnt get the job "because you have children who are good athletes and and we cant risk the public scrutiny that would ensue if youre children came here to play and we had a successful season". This is called in the scientific communty a "L O O P H O L E". Do parents and school systems take advantage of it? Absolutely! All Im saying is that in "fixing" this problem youre going to create 5 more.

[DADDY BALLER 20]

The problem with your argument here, as I see it, is that it dances around the real issue. I have yet to see 20,000 people show up at an academic match, though a few movies about spelling bee's exist, and TV coverage. I don't think Al Holland says, "Hey, that Johnson kid can really spell and do science. Geez, he can't even dribble...but we really need him at Hazard." Some parents shop for exposure, for the trip to Rupp, viewing rules or competitive fairness as minor obstacles to be overcome at all costs.

Well said cavemaster. There are players on the Hazard team that have been their from the start. Their the ones that this effects the most because they lose their playing time to guys that are brought in by Coach Hollan so he can try to stay on top. Like you said at all cost. Little selfish to me. Can't he win with what he's got there. Evidently not. Transfering is'nt that common specially at the same school two years straight. Unless your their for SPELLING or SCIENCE right. HA HA HA...

[RavenBoy]

Well said cavemaster. There are players on the Hazard team that have been their from the start. Their the ones that this effects the most because they lose their playing time to guys that are brought in by Coach Hollan so he can try to stay on top. Like you said at all cost. Little selfish to me. Can't he win with what he's got there. Evidently not. Transfering is'nt that common specially at the same school two years straight. Unless your their for SPELLING or SCIENCE right. HA HA HA...

Im not even a big Hazard fan but goodness people, are you all that Jealous of a High School team. Who cares if Hazard is good, if you have a problem with them then beat em. If the Hazard kids want to play over other kids then they better try harder. It dont matter where your from when it comes to basketball, what matters is how hard you play and if you can put the ball in the whole.

[mountain hoops guru]

It's not the beating the Hazard team that is getting to everyone. It's the beating a Hazard team that is not made up of Hazard players. If you get players from all over the state, not really fair to all the other teams. They seem to know who and how to talk to the people up state because theirs always seem to get eligible and others from other schools don't. And don't lay all this on Coach Holland, it has happened way before he got there, Hazard has been doing this since the beginning of time and they are good at it. So as the saying goes, "if you can't beat them join them", i guess this holds true for former players from Knox, Bell, Perry, and I'm sure other counties around the state. Seem to always have good jobs for parents with athletes. Seems funny sounds like Lexington Catholic or Lexington Christian.

[thecavemaster]

Im not even a big Hazard fan but goodness people, are you all that Jealous of a High School team. Who cares if Hazard is good, if you have a problem with them then beat em. If the Hazard kids want to play over other kids then they better try harder. It dont matter where your from when it comes to basketball, what matters is how hard you play and if you can put the ball in the whole.

Wow, Raven Boy, you sure know your butt from a whole in the ground when it comes to changing the equation then still coming up with the wrong answer.

[Survivor]

It's not the beating the Hazard team that is getting to everyone. It's the beating a Hazard team that is not made up of Hazard players. If you get players from all over the state, not really fair to all the other teams. They seem to know who and how to talk to the people up state because theirs always seem to get eligible and others from other schools don't. And don't lay all this on Coach Holland, it has happened way before he got there, Hazard has been doing this since the beginning of time and they are good at it. So as the saying goes, "if you can't beat them join them", i guess this holds true for former players from Knox, Bell, Perry, and I'm sure other counties around the state. Seem to always have good jobs for parents with athletes. Seems funny sounds like Lexington Catholic or Lexington Christian.

Can you name a few players that have come from outside Perry Co. in recent years that went to Hazard? I can only think of one in the past ten years and that would be Cleve Washington. Maybe I'm wrong, so please post some more names for everyone since you know it all. You should do a little homework before you make comments that you can't back up.

[thecavemaster]

Ok hotshot explain where any rules were broken in this situation. A qualified coach was hired
at another school district and his sons moved with him. Where are there any major threats to competetive fairness in all this? I guess youre solution to the problem would be to tell the mans sons "Ok daddy is moving an hour away but you cant go with him because youve got to stay at the school you originaly started at." Do you see the shear insanity of your arguement here? Also on the other hand just imagine how it would go over at a coaches job interview when the school board informs the parent that he/she didnt get the job "because you have children who are good athletes and and we cant risk the public scrutiny that would ensue if youre children came here to play and we had a successful season". This is called in the scientific communty a "L O O P H O L E". Do parents and school systems take advantage of it? Absolutely! All Im saying is that in "fixing" this problem youre going to create 5 more.

While you may not agree with my position, I think "sheer insanity" is a bit of an overstretch. When it comes to recruiting, closed door meetings that no one can prove, holding back students IN middle school for non-academic reasons... allowing the end (winning) to justify the means (compromise of competitive integrity) is more than a loophole; I think if the KHSAA were more of a pro-active, true regulatory agency, things could change without the kinds of "five more problem" scenarios you envision.

[thecavemaster]

Wonder if Euton would have transferred if Elliot County were not returning all those players? Wow, I sure wouldn't think playing the angles to get to Rupp Arena would have factored in... Required conclusion in search of "sounds good" reason....

[LOOKAYANNER]

I wonder if Whitaker would have got the Hazard job without those two talented players on his resume?

I wonder if Hazard would have won the state title back in 1955 without the services of the great player from Fleming-Neon by the name of Johnny Cox?

I wonder if Hazard's girls could have won an All A state title and a Sweet 16 title without Breathitt County's Charlotte Sizemore?

I wonder if Hazard would have won the All A state title, made a trip to the Sweet 16, and qualify for the football playoffs, without Charlotte's brother, Steven?

I wonder if Hazard has a history of 'successful' transfers?

I wonder....

[KyGurl]

I wonder if Whitaker would have got the Hazard job without those two talented players on his resume?

I wonder if Hazard would have won the state title back in 1955 without the services of the great player from Fleming-Neon by the name of Johnny Cox?

I wonder if Hazard's girls could have won an All A state title and a Sweet 16 title without Breathitt County's Charlotte Sizemore?

I wonder if Hazard would have won the All A state title, made a trip to the Sweet 16, and qualify for the football playoffs, without Charlotte's brother, Steven?

I wonder if Hazard has a history of 'successful' transfers?

I wonder....

Hazard is not the only school that has transfers!!! GET OVER IT!!! GO DAWGS!!!:champ:

[LOOKAYANNER]

Hazard is not the only school that has transfers!!! GET OVER IT!!! GO DAWGS!!!:champ:

Oh I can get over it.:dontthink And your're right, there's others. It's just that Hazard has a LONG and illustrious history of convientent transfers. There's no way that a school with barely 300 students should or could dominate the 14th region the way Hazard has over the years. Transfers have been a large part of that legacy. The truth hurts sometimes. So get defensive and raise your trophy if it makes you feel better.ticktong