True Regional Tournament

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 01-30-2008, 10:57 PM

I was just wondering with all the consolidation that has happened over the years and some districts having only 3 teams in them. What would the chances of being in having a true regional tourney. Change the districts to conferences where you can have a conference champion based on wins and loses. Every regional team playing each other. Every 15th region team going to the regionals and seat them based on records. Best record plays the worst record and so on. Have it where the top 4 records are in separate brackets. Play your way down to a true best team in the region instead of in districts like the 56th where a top team can get beat out of the districts on the first night. How about some thoughts on this.

100%SUCCESS · 01-30-2008, 11:25 PM

That would be awesome if that happened. But I'd say the chances of it are slim to none. It would still be one and done, but would give the teams with the better records a better draw in the Regional. It would take away the Good district with two good teams (59th w/ Pville and Valley) where either one of these teams are better than the best team from the 60th and 58th, and give them a better chance of making it farther. As one could draw the 57th and be one and done the way it is now. More teams in a tournament, would also make for a better tournament atmosphere, since more schools would be involved with the Regional. Just my Opinion on the question!!!Doubt it very seriously, but would be cool if it happened.

**Panther Thunder** · 01-30-2008, 11:31 PM

That would be awesome but once again it makes too much sense, just like a college football playoff.

EKY Sportster · 01-30-2008, 11:45 PM

Would be nice! The idea has been out there. But there are too many $$$ in keeping it the way it is. You get the $$$ from the District tourneys and you get the $$$ from the regional too.

**Panther Thunder** · 01-30-2008, 11:47 PM

Question: Does the KHSAA decide how tournaments will be formatted or is it up to each individual region?

NEXT · 01-30-2008, 11:47 PM

BasketBallonlyfan Wrote:I was just wondering with all the consolidation that has happened over the years and some districts having only 3 teams in them. What would the chances of being in having a true regional tourney. Change the districts to conferences where you can have a conference champion based on wins and loses. Every regional team playing each other. Every 15th region team going to the regionals and seat them based on records. Best record plays the worst record and so on. Have it where the top 4 records are in separate brackets. Play your way down to a true best team in the region instead of in districts like the 56th where a top team can get beat out of the districts on the first night. How about some thoughts on this.

You cannot do it based on that.

Phelps is notorious for scheduling weak teams. Last year they were 18-8 while scheduling 10 teams from WV. and Va., going 9-1 against those teams, the loss coming to the ONE team that had a winning record.

Cannot go by in region competition either, as you would the have schools trying to schedule David and Piarist.

I would like to see it, but for it to happen the KHSAA is going to have to do something with football season. They need to take out the bye week and first round of playoffs from football. Extend basketball until the last week in March.

As some have stated, the districts go in cycles, I remember a few years when Jody Thompson play at Feds Creek and Johns Creek had good teams, that 4 of the top 5 teams in the region were in the 60th district.

**Panther Thunder** · 01-30-2008, 11:48 PM

NEXT Wrote:You cannot do it based on that.

Phelps is notorious for scheduling weak teams. Last year they were 18-8 while scheduling 10 teams from WV. and Va., going 9-1 against those teams, the loss coming to the ONE team that had a winning record.

Cannot go by in region competition either, as you would the have schools trying to schedule David and Piarist.

I would like to see it, but for it to happen the KHSAA is going to have to do something with football season. They need to take out the bye week and first round of playoffs from football. Extend basketball until the last week in March.

I think he was meaning playing every region team once and using that record.

NEXT · 01-30-2008, 11:51 PM

Panther Thunder Wrote:I think he was meaning playing every region team once and using that record.

What if you do if SV and Pikeville want to play 2 times because of gate money?

How do you decide which one counts?

Best way is to keep the districts, but just allow everyone in.

**PC_You_Know** · 01-30-2008, 11:58 PM

You can't have every team play another once, because you can't decide something when places like Valley have the home court advantage they do, that's why Pikeville vs. Valley is decided at both schools not just one.

EKY Sportster · 01-31-2008, 12:00 AM

They could use the Districts for seeding purposes, then let everyone in at the Regional. But that would extend the season, cause too many games and take a little away from the District Champion. KHSAA would never go along.

Personally, I think that they should scrap the Districts and use a formula to be determined to seed the teams in an all inclusive regional tourney. That would be awesome.

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 01-31-2008, 12:10 AM

The way it is now, there are 16 teams in this region. Each team play all the other teams on a home one season, away next season rotation. The regions would be based on how the region records was. Have the pairings set where the teams with the 4 best regional records if they won all the way threw would meet up in the final 4. If teams want to schedule weaker teams away from the region they would still be allowed to do so. It wouldnt help their regional chances at all that way. If teams like Valley and Pikeville want more than one game for the gate money, they still could play more than one game. Either the first or the second meeting of the two teams will be for seating purposes. That is the way it is now basically. If it is a two way tie, whoever wins the second game between the two teams is the number one seed. The 4 teams with the best records hosts the first round, then play the rest of the tourney in the Expo.

**Panther Thunder** · 01-31-2008, 12:16 AM

That format makes all regional games important. It takes away the meaninglessness of a game. Not to say that a team wouldn't want to win, but like if Pikeville would have lost to JC it wouldn't mean a thing. This way more games would matter and put an emphasis on coming out harder every night.

100%SUCCESS · 01-31-2008, 12:39 AM

Panther Thunder Wrote:That format makes all regional games important. It takes away the meaninglessness of a game. Not to say that a team wouldn't want to win, but like if Pikeville would have lost to JC it wouldn't mean a thing. This way more games would matter and put an emphasis on coming out harder every night.

Very true. Good Point! It would bring everybodys A game night in night out!

Elwayfan · 01-31-2008, 01:57 PM

What records do they compare? Overall or against teams in their "confrence"? I'm Thinking that if they compare overall records in order to be seeded, then all the teams will try to pad their schedules. This would make teams weaker instead of stronger against teams down state. Please correct me if I'm not following what you are saying.

Elwayfan · 01-31-2008, 02:10 PM

Not to be arrogant or anything, but it's teams like Piarist and David that have screwed up the district realignments. They have no chance of competing. Maybe there should be seperate format that schools can declare in. Three teams in a district is a joke.

Same thing happened in football when they went to 4 teams from each district making playoffs instead of two. Just like the Pike County Bowl, 8 teams instead of 4. Not to get off topic, but these examples shows that its about money.

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 01-31-2008, 05:39 PM

Elwayfan Wrote:What records do they compare? Overall or against teams in their "confrence"? I'm Thinking that if they compare overall records in order to be seeded, then all the teams will try to pad their schedules. This would make teams weaker instead of stronger against teams down state. Please correct me if I'm not following what you are saying.

There are 16 teams in the region. A team would play the other 15 teams and count that record as to where you stand in the region. If a team wants to pad the rest of their schedule, then so be it, that will just be wins and loses records, not regional records.

allenator_10 · 01-31-2008, 07:34 PM

There are 16 teams in the region. A team would play the other 15 teams and count that record as to where you stand in the region. If a team wants to pad the rest of their schedule, then so be it, that will just be wins and loses records, not regional records.

yea that would probably be a good thing for the best team in the conference but what about the smaller schools who doest have a good record during the season but peak around the end of the season there season would probably be over.

**Beef** · 01-31-2008, 07:52 PM

allenator_10 Wrote:There are 16 teams in the region. A team would play the other 15 teams and count that record as to where you stand in the region. If a team wants to pad the rest of their schedule, then so be it, that will just be wins and loses records, not regional records.

yea that would probably be a good thing for the best team in the conference but what about the smaller schools who doest have a good record during the season but peak around the end of the season there season would probably be over.

Your season would never be over because everyone makes the tournament so you can play your way through that if you are peaking then. You just might have a tougher route to get the trophy.

uhavenoidea · 01-31-2008, 08:29 PM

IMO this would cut down on region teams games against other mountain teams and tournaments they compete in...You could play it as 2 divisons...57th and 58th in one and 59th and 60th in the other...Then have the top 4 teams from each division move on to the regional tourn...#1 playing the #4 team from the other division...#2 playing the #3 team in the other divison...For example #1(Paintsville) would prolly be playing (Div. B #4)Belfry/Phelps...#2(AC, Div. A) would be playing #3(Div. B)East Ridge...#1 SV would be playing Div. A #4 SC/JC...#2 Pikeville would be playing #3 SC/JC...FINAL 4 would be SV vs. AC and Pikeville vs. Paintsville...Finals would be SV vs. Paintsville per say...

100%SUCCESS · 01-31-2008, 08:32 PM

uhavenoidea Wrote:IMO this would cut down on region teams games against other mountain teams and tournaments they compete in...You could play it as 2 divisons...57th and 58th in one and 59th and 60th in the other...Then have the top 4 teams from each division move on to the regional tourn...#1 playing the #4 team from the other division...#2 playing the #3 team in the other divison...For example #1(Paintsville) would prolly be playing (Div. B #4)Belfry/Phelps...#2(AC, Div. A) would be playing #3(Div. B)East Ridge...#1 SV would be playing Div. A #4 SC/JC...#2 Pikeville would be playing #3 SC/JC...FINAL 4 would be SV vs. AC and Pikeville vs. Paintsville...Finals would be SV vs. Paintsville per say...

That sounds pretty good to. However, any thing besides the three team districts sounds pretty good IMO.

100%SUCCESS · 01-31-2008, 08:33 PM

JUST CURIOUS, I'm too young to know: How were the districts set up before East Ridge consolidated the three schools?

oldtimer55 · 01-31-2008, 10:16 PM

The Two Teams From Each Dist Are In Different Brackets(top Or Bottom). They Can Only Play Each Other In The Finals Of The Reg. Tourney.the Regular Season District Champ Should Be A Automatic Bid To Region. The Other Would Be Dist Tourney Champ. If The Same One Is Reg And Tourney Champ Then Tourney No.2 Goes To Regional. This Makes The Regular Season Count For Something.

allenator_10 · 01-31-2008, 10:59 PM

Your season would never be over because everyone makes the tournament so you can play your way through that if you are peaking then. You just might have a tougher route to get the trophy.

oo...ok my bad that does sound like a pretty good ideal but the way it is right now it isn't so bad.. you just need more teams in each district i think there should be a min. of 5 teams per district