[TidesHoss32]

I think, eventually they should hang one, but not right now. I think they should wait a few years down the road before they do. Yes he did have a 70%+ winning percentage, 5 SEC championships and a national title, along with the losing streaks to Vandy and Florida. His style was boring IMO, but no more boring than Joe B. Hall's style of play, and he didnt waste any more talent than Hall did either. However, when you compare the two, they are very similar in what they accomplished. Both had very good years, mediocre years (by UK standards), and left the program on a slight decline (1984-85, UK rode Kenny Walker to an 18-13 record and a sweet 16 finish before losing to St. Johns). Im not turning this into a tale of the tape, but IMO, Smith was a better coach than Joe B was. Ill go on to say that 90% of the coaches in college basketball, even Tubby Smith himself could have won a national championship with that '83-'84 team that went 29-5, to the final four and then got scared to death in the second half against Ewing and Georgetown (3-33 shooting)..anyways, another point to make is that I read that someone said "well you shouldnt because he left UK while he was still the coach"...what exactly did Pitino do? He told everyone he was happy here, that he was going to be here forever, then two days later he's named coach of the Celtics. Ill never forgive him for that. Yes Im an Alabama football fan, and Saban did the same thing, but that doesnt mean I condone it, lol..but Pitino absolutely LIED to every UK fan in America, and if he can do it and have everybody googoo-gaagaa'ing 10 years after he left, then I have no problem with Tubby looking for another job while BEING PRESSURED TO LEAVE by those same Pitino-worshipers. Id do it, and you all would too...So yeah, give the man his banner. Yes, his style of ball was agonizing (IMO), hard to watch, and slow by all accounts, but his numbers are still damn good, and he deserves to have his banner hanging in Rupp..

[Tubby Hater]

Id like to say what he and the rest of u crazy Tubby lovers could do with the banner when or even if he gets one, but I would just be banned from here, so i will not say anything. If u love him so much, why dont u go join him in Minnesota and leave the true blue traditon laden fans here to cheer on the team.

I agree 100%, go hop on the Minnesota band wagon, and when we win another title we will sit back and laugh at you fools for being Tubby Lovers. Yes he was a good man and did some great things, but so was Bill Curry and I dont see him having a banner at Commonwealth Stadium.

[Tubby Hater]

I think, eventually they should hang one, but not right now. I think they should wait a few years down the road before they do. Yes he did have a 70%+ winning percentage, 5 SEC championships and a national title, along with the losing streaks to Vandy and Florida. His style was boring IMO, but no more boring than Joe B. Hall's style of play, and he didnt waste any more talent than Hall did either. However, when you compare the two, they are very similar in what they accomplished. Both had very good years, mediocre years (by UK standards), and left the program on a slight decline (1984-85, UK rode Kenny Walker to an 18-13 record and a sweet 16 finish before losing to St. Johns). Im not turning this into a tale of the tape, but IMO, Smith was a better coach than Joe B was. Ill go on to say that 90% of the coaches in college basketball, even Tubby Smith himself could have won a national championship with that '83-'84 team that went 29-5, to the final four and then got scared to death in the second half against Ewing and Georgetown (3-33 shooting)..anyways, another point to make is that I read that someone said "well you shouldnt because he left UK while he was still the coach"...what exactly did Pitino do? He told everyone he was happy here, that he was going to be here forever, then two days later he's named coach of the Celtics. Ill never forgive him for that. Yes Im an Alabama football fan, and Saban did the same thing, but that doesnt mean I condone it, lol..but Pitino absolutely LIED to every UK fan in America, and if he can do it and have everybody googoo-gaagaa'ing 10 years after he left, then I have no problem with Tubby looking for another job while BEING PRESSURED TO LEAVE by those same Pitino-worshipers. Id do it, and you all would too...So yeah, give the man his banner. Yes, his style of ball was agonizing (IMO), hard to watch, and slow by all accounts, but his numbers are still damn good, and he deserves to have his banner hanging in Rupp..

Yes Joe B did play a boring half court style, but it makes a huge difference when you have some of the big men he coached. Tubby recruited athletes and made them play half court slow down ball. He didnt use his player's utilize the talent he had. He brought in some great athletes but when you take them out of their game they are only average players.

[BFritz]

Yes Joe B did play a boring half court style, but it makes a huge difference when you have some of the big men he coached. Tubby recruited athletes and made them play half court slow down ball. He didnt use his player's utilize the talent he had. He brought in some great athletes but when you take them out of their game they are only average players.

Tubby recruited??

[Redneck]

UK fans also need to get over themselves and realize that UK is not bigger than the game of basketball itself like some of you think. UK has won 3 titles since 1958 and you people act like we are national title contenders every year which is not true. Tubby finished with two mediocre seasons but still averaged 26 wins and 8 losses per season. That's not bad by any standards. He ran a clean program which other UK coaches can't say they have done.

He might have averaged 26 wins and 8 losses a season which is a good stat, but as a fan, there hasn't been any excitement in a long time. Tubby ball was boring, Tubby recruiting was horrible. Ricky P ran a clean program from what I can remember, what are you talkin about Alfy.

[alfus21]

I think, eventually they should hang one, but not right now. I think they should wait a few years down the road before they do. Yes he did have a 70%+ winning percentage, 5 SEC championships and a national title, along with the losing streaks to Vandy and Florida. His style was boring IMO, but no more boring than Joe B. Hall's style of play, and he didnt waste any more talent than Hall did either. However, when you compare the two, they are very similar in what they accomplished. Both had very good years, mediocre years (by UK standards), and left the program on a slight decline (1984-85, UK rode Kenny Walker to an 18-13 record and a sweet 16 finish before losing to St. Johns). Im not turning this into a tale of the tape, but IMO, Smith was a better coach than Joe B was. Ill go on to say that 90% of the coaches in college basketball, even Tubby Smith himself could have won a national championship with that '83-'84 team that went 29-5, to the final four and then got scared to death in the second half against Ewing and Georgetown (3-33 shooting)..anyways, another point to make is that I read that someone said "well you shouldnt because he left UK while he was still the coach"...what exactly did Pitino do? He told everyone he was happy here, that he was going to be here forever, then two days later he's named coach of the Celtics. Ill never forgive him for that. Yes Im an Alabama football fan, and Saban did the same thing, but that doesnt mean I condone it, lol..but Pitino absolutely LIED to every UK fan in America, and if he can do it and have everybody googoo-gaagaa'ing 10 years after he left, then I have no problem with Tubby looking for another job while BEING PRESSURED TO LEAVE by those same Pitino-worshipers. Id do it, and you all would too...So yeah, give the man his banner. Yes, his style of ball was agonizing (IMO), hard to watch, and slow by all accounts, but his numbers are still damn good, and he deserves to have his banner hanging in Rupp..

Great post TidesHoss. I couldn't agree more.

[alfus21]

He might have averaged 26 wins and 8 losses a season which is a good stat, but as a fan, there hasn't been any excitement in a long time. Tubby ball was boring, Tubby recruiting was horrible. Ricky P ran a clean program from what I can remember, what are you talkin about Alfy.

College coaches aren't paid to be exciting. They're paid to win. This isn't the NBA.

Tubby recruited some questionable players over the years but it's also easy to forget the good ones such as Prince, Hayes, Daniels, Bogans, Fitch, Hawkins, Rondo, and Morris many of which are current NBA players.

[corndog23]

He might have averaged 26 wins and 8 losses a season which is a good stat, but as a fan, there hasn't been any excitement in a long time. Tubby ball was boring, Tubby recruiting was horrible. Ricky P ran a clean program from what I can remember, what are you talkin about Alfy.

I love you guys seem to quickly forget how "exciting" it was to watch Patrick sparks hit that three to send us into OT with a shot at the final four. I love how you guys think it was so"boring" watching that '03 team absolutely STEAMROLL the SEC for an undefeated season, i also love how we played boring basketball until Rick Pitino called during halftime of every single game of the 98 season to teach his guys how to play basketball...really, you guys are hilarious

[Tubby Hater]

I love you guys seem to quickly forget how "exciting" it was to watch Patrick sparks hit that three to send us into OT with a shot at the final four. I love how you guys think it was so"boring" watching that '03 team absolutely STEAMROLL the SEC for an undefeated season, i also love how we played boring basketball until Rick Pitino called during halftime of every single game of the 98 season to teach his guys how to play basketball...really, you guys are hilarious

I have been a season ticket holder for 13 years now. The past 5 seasons was the some of the most horrible basketball I have ever watched at KY. Yeah they did have their moments in a few games like the North Carolina game when Prince went off, but I can also remember those nail biters against Central Florida, North Dakota State, and a lot of teams on that level as well. I also rememeber Sparks lighting us up in Rupp his Sophomore year as well. Yeah he had over 20 wins in many seasons, but lets take this past year for instance. Name me 4 or 5 quality wins we had this past year?

[Tubby Hater]

Tubby recruited??

He did bring in some talent but had no clue how to use them. The class with Rondo, Crawford, Morris, and Bradley could have been great in the right system. I am just curious how the remaing two play under Gillespie.

[corndog23]

I have been a season ticket holder for 13 years now. The past 5 seasons was the some of the most horrible basketball I have ever watched at KY. Yeah they did have their moments in a few games like the North Carolina game when Prince went off, but I can also remember those nail biters against Central Florida, North Dakota State, and a lot of teams on that level as well. I also rememeber Sparks lighting us up in Rupp his Sophomore year as well. Yeah he had over 20 wins in many seasons, but lets take this past year for instance. Name me 4 or 5 quality wins we had this past year?

why dont you stop picking and choosing and look at the ENTIRE time he was here. Hell, coach K didnt make it out the first round this year. He lost to a mid-major in the first round, lets get him out of here since thats what he did this year, who cares about stuff in the early 90's

[SportsFan80]

Coach K has had what 1-2 bad seasons at Duke, compared to the 4-6 Tubby had in 10 years of coaching. Alfus, the only one of those players u mentioned that are accomplishing anything in the NBA is Prince. Although he doesnt get much credit nor the ball as he should, he is still doing way better than Hayes and the other players u mentioned. However I am a big fan of Hawkins and Hayes, those two combined had more heart than any player I have seen at UK. Morris wont amount to much, Daniels isnt even in the NBA right now, same goes for Hawkins and Fitch. Bogans is decent, but thats all he is. But since you think u know everything and no one can be right but you, im not going to even try. You can be a Tubby Lover all ya want, real true fans will continue to cheer for and want the best for the team, which I believe we got in Gillispie. If u want, we will all buy you a ticket to minnie so u can join your no talent coach.

[corndog23]

listen sportsfan, just because i will continue to support Coach Smith does NOT MEAN that i am not A uk FAN. i believe Tubby Smith wold have done a great job ay UK had he stayed, HOWEVER, i ALSO believ Billy Gillispie will do a phenomenal job at UK. How do you not understand that?

[alfus21]

Coach K has had what 1-2 bad seasons at Duke, compared to the 4-6 Tubby had in 10 years of coaching. Alfus, the only one of those players u mentioned that are accomplishing anything in the NBA is Prince. Although he doesnt get much credit nor the ball as he should, he is still doing way better than Hayes and the other players u mentioned. However I am a big fan of Hawkins and Hayes, those two combined had more heart than any player I have seen at UK. Morris wont amount to much, Daniels isnt even in the NBA right now, same goes for Hawkins and Fitch. Bogans is decent, but thats all he is. But since you think u know everything and no one can be right but you, im not going to even try. You can be a Tubby Lover all ya want, real true fans will continue to cheer for and want the best for the team, which I believe we got in Gillispie. If u want, we will all buy you a ticket to minnie so u can join your no talent coach.

Oh I forgot to mention Kelenna Azubuike as well. He's another recruit that found his way to the NBA.

Rondo is averaging 13 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.5 steals per game over the last week.

Hayes starts on one of the best teams in the league and plays a vital role in their success doing the things that don't show up in the stat sheet.

Morris isn't doing anything now, but he is already getting to play for the Knicks.

Bogans started for the Magic several times earlier in the season before his knee started acting up again.

I'm a Kentucky fan through and through and because I supported our last coach doesn't make me any less of a fan. If anything it made me more of a true fan to cheer for the coach no matter who it was, and no matter who it is now.

I don't know why I continue to argue this thread when he will have a jersey retired in Rupp regardless of what anybody on here thinks. It's just a matter of time.

[thecavemaster]

I'm not sure Tubby moved the program forward
in his tenure. When you consider where UK
was when Pitino took over and what he accomplished
and compare it to where the program was when
Tubby took over and where it was when he left,
I think a good argument can be made that Tubby
was a maintenance guy at best...and I don't
think a guy who maintains with some slippage
is ring of honor material.

[braves_fan_10]

Oh I forgot to mention Kelenna Azubuike as well. He's another recruit that found his way to the NBA.

Rondo is averaging 13 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.5 steals per game over the last week.

Hayes starts on one of the best teams in the league and plays a vital role in their success doing the things that don't show up in the stat sheet.

Morris isn't doing anything now, but he is already getting to play for the Knicks.

Bogans started for the Magic several times earlier in the season before his knee started acting up again.

I'm a Kentucky fan through and through and because I supported our last coach doesn't make me any less of a fan. If anything it made me more of a true fan to cheer for the coach no matter who it was, and no matter who it is now.

I don't know why I continue to argue this thread when he will have a jersey retired in Rupp regardless of what anybody on here thinks. It's just a matter of time.

Azubuike is starting now...from what i seen the other night...But great post and i couldnt agree with you more.

[Tubby Hater]

I'm not sure Tubby moved the program forward
in his tenure. When you consider where UK
was when Pitino took over and what he accomplished
and compare it to where the program was when
Tubby took over and where it was when he left,
I think a good argument can be made that Tubby
was a maintenance guy at best...and I don't
think a guy who maintains with some slippage
is ring of honor material.

Great post, you took the words out of my mouth. I get so sick of hearing these guys talk about how great Tubby was.

[SportsFan80]

Me too Tubby Hater. Alfus, most of the guys u mentioned are getting their chances because other key players on their teams have been injured. Like with Rondo, the only reason he has done anything at all this season is because Pierce was injured, but i will admit he had done better than west and telfair. Azubuike has a few good games and u wanna make him out to be a star, come on. What has he done lately? He could have been much better had he stayed at UK a little longer, but he was an idiot like most that go early. I love Hayes, one of my favorite all time UK players, but again the only reason he is starting if he even is, i dont really know because i dont keep up much with the NBA, just the good former UK players like Prince, anyway, back to Hayes, the only reason he is starting is because Howard and Yao have been injured at different times this season and besides he is too small to play power forward in the NBA. Morris is just another joke like Rondo and Azubuike leaving early or leaving early and coming back and making himself a free agent only to be signed by a really crappy team ran and coached by idiots. Bogans hasnt shown me anything since he left UK and didnt really show me anything while he was at UK. UK hasnt had a legitimate scorer since Rick was coach, and thats because of Tubby. Players under Tubby barely averaged 13 points a game because of that slow down tempo of his. Damn man, wake up, Tubby sucked big time, the only thing he deserves is a humanitarian award. If he gets more than that, it will be a joke.

[Tubby Hater]

Me too Tubby Hater. Alfus, most of the guys u mentioned are getting their chances because other key players on their teams have been injured. Like with Rondo, the only reason he has done anything at all this season is because Pierce was injured, but i will admit he had done better than west and telfair. Azubuike has a few good games and u wanna make him out to be a star, come on. What has he done lately? He could have been much better had he stayed at UK a little longer, but he was an idiot like most that go early. I love Hayes, one of my favorite all time UK players, but again the only reason he is starting if he even is, i dont really know because i dont keep up much with the NBA, just the good former UK players like Prince, anyway, back to Hayes, the only reason he is starting is because Howard and Yao have been injured at different times this season and besides he is too small to play power forward in the NBA. Morris is just another joke like Rondo and Azubuike leaving early or leaving early and coming back and making himself a free agent only to be signed by a really crappy team ran and coached by idiots. Bogans hasnt shown me anything since he left UK and didnt really show me anything while he was at UK. UK hasnt had a legitimate scorer since Rick was coach, and thats because of Tubby. Players under Tubby barely averaged 13 points a game because of that slow down tempo of his. Damn man, wake up, Tubby sucked big time, the only thing he deserves is a humanitarian award. If he gets more than that, it will be a joke.

Exactly man you said it best. Maybe one day these guys will wake up and realize that Tubby was a great guy but not a great coach.

[alfus21]

but he was an idiot like most that go early.

His dad was put in prison and his family was left with zero money. He had no choice in his mind and in many others minds but to go give it a shot and help his family out.

I love Hayes, one of my favorite all time UK players, but again the only reason he is starting if he even is, i dont really know because i dont keep up much with the NBA

You know all about why these guys are getting playing time and all about the NBA but then you post this. Bravo.:Thumbs:

Morris is just another joke like Rondo and Azubuike leaving early or leaving early and coming back and making himself a free agent only to be signed by a really crappy team ran and coached by idiots.

A joke like Rondo? A first round pick who IS producing at the next level? How is that a joke? Morris was signed in the same week that the final college game ended. More teams that the Knicks wanted him but they put up the most. 2 years 1.6 million. He's not gotten much playing time but somehow he is a joke right away.

Bogans hasnt shown me anything since he left UK and didnt really show me anything while he was at UK. UK hasnt had a legitimate scorer since Rick was coach, and thats because of Tubby. Players under Tubby barely averaged 13 points a game because of that slow down tempo of his.

Bogans averaged 12.5 ppg as a freshman, 17 ppg as a sophomore, 11.6 ppg as a junior and 15.67 ppg as a senior on his way to being named an All American. I didn't know you needed one player score a ton of points per game to have a good team. I think it's called team ball but I could be mistaken.

Damn man, wake up, Tubby sucked big time, the only thing he deserves is a humanitarian award. If he gets more than that, it will be a joke.

I'm wide awake thanks. Tubby was a very good coach, and even with the last two seasons he shouldn't and wouldn't by any other fans be known to "suck". He will get more than that by the way. Take it to the bank.

[thecavemaster]

Tubby recruited some good players to UK.
That is not the issue. Tubby had some
real success at UK. That is not the issue.
Tubby will win a lot of games at Minnesota.
That is not the issue. Yet, the truth is
the truth: the UK program was slipping,
overall fan interest was dropping, the
excitement level at Rupp Arena was palpably
declining, the quality of recruits was
free falling. It is one thing to be
a quality coach at Georgia, at Tulsa,
at Minnesota...where twenty wins and a
Round of 32 exit excite the fan base; it
is another at UK, which is, was, and
will be again, a PREMIER program. I can't
really see how this is all that debateable.

[SportsFan80]

What I meant *edit* was that I only really try to keep up with former uk players and how bad or good they do. I dont keep up with the NBA that much, but i do keep up with it. Detroit is my favorite team. Morris isnt and will probably never be ready for the NBA, hes too lazy to put in the effort. Bogans was hyped as a big time player coming into UK, and yeah he put up decent numbers, but with the hype he had, seems like he could have done more, the reason he didnt, he along with the rest of Tubby coached players got held back with the style Tubby played. But u seem to think u know everything there is to know about UK and college basketball so how can anyone argue with u when u are make them out to be wrong all the time. I know its somehow wrong to hate people, but im really walking a fine line when it comes to you buddy. Im not in the hate stage yet, but im damn sure inching closer and closer. Sorry that it turned personal, but when I have to deal with and listen to people like you, that think they know everything, it starts eatin at me and pushes me to a level I dont like to go. So im going to try to avoid anything more u have to say on the situation of Tubby gettin this or that.

[Redneck]

Tubby recruited some good players to UK.
That is not the issue. Tubby had some
real success at UK. That is not the issue.
Tubby will win a lot of games at Minnesota.
That is not the issue. Yet, the truth is
the truth: the UK program was slipping,
overall fan interest was dropping, the
excitement level at Rupp Arena was palpably
declining, the quality of recruits was
free falling. It is one thing to be
a quality coach at Georgia, at Tulsa,
at Minnesota...where twenty wins and a
Round of 32 exit excite the fan base; it
is another at UK, which is, was, and
will be again, a PREMIER program. I can't
really see how this is all that debateable.

GREAT post...

[alfus21]

What I meant *edit* was that I only really try to keep up with former uk players and how bad or good they do. I dont keep up with the NBA that much, but i do keep up with it. Detroit is my favorite team. Morris isnt and will probably never be ready for the NBA, hes too lazy to put in the effort. Bogans was hyped as a big time player coming into UK, and yeah he put up decent numbers, but with the hype he had, seems like he could have done more, the reason he didnt, he along with the rest of Tubby coached players got held back with the style Tubby played. But u seem to think u know everything there is to know about UK and college basketball so how can anyone argue with u when u are make them out to be wrong all the time. I know its somehow wrong to hate people, but im really walking a fine line when it comes to you buddy. Im not in the hate stage yet, but im damn sure inching closer and closer. Sorry that it turned personal, but when I have to deal with and listen to people like you, that think they know everything, it starts eatin at me and pushes me to a level I dont like to go. So im going to try to avoid anything more u have to say on the situation of Tubby gettin this or that.

You need to take it easy man. We don't need anybody heading over dead at their computer about to stroke out arguing about sports.

But please try to stay on topic or PM me if you want to tell me how you really feel.

We don't need gargabe like this on the boards.

[Shady Grady]

Oh I forgot to mention Kelenna Azubuike as well. He's another recruit that found his way to the NBA.

Rondo is averaging 13 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.5 steals per game over the last week.

Hayes starts on one of the best teams in the league and plays a vital role in their success doing the things that don't show up in the stat sheet.

Morris isn't doing anything now, but he is already getting to play for the Knicks.

Bogans started for the Magic several times earlier in the season before his knee started acting up again.

I'm a Kentucky fan through and through and because I supported our last coach doesn't make me any less of a fan. If anything it made me more of a true fan to cheer for the coach no matter who it was, and no matter who it is now.

I don't know why I continue to argue this thread when he will have a jersey retired in Rupp regardless of what anybody on here thinks. It's just a matter of time.

Looks like Tubby is the only person who could stop these guys!!!!!

[Tubby Hater]

Looks like Tubby is the only person who could stop these guys!!!!!

Good to see we have another smart basketball mind you has joined us here on BGR, welcome aboard kentuckyfan, I must warn you ahead of time we have a lot of Tubby Lovers on here so you just have to overlook them

[Tubby Hater]

Oh I forgot to mention Kelenna Azubuike as well. He's another recruit that found his way to the NBA.

Rondo is averaging 13 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.5 steals per game over the last week.

Hayes starts on one of the best teams in the league and plays a vital role in their success doing the things that don't show up in the stat sheet.

Morris isn't doing anything now, but he is already getting to play for the Knicks.

Bogans started for the Magic several times earlier in the season before his knee started acting up again.

I'm a Kentucky fan through and through and because I supported our last coach doesn't make me any less of a fan. If anything it made me more of a true fan to cheer for the coach no matter who it was, and no matter who it is now.

I don't know why I continue to argue this thread when he will have a jersey retired in Rupp regardless of what anybody on here thinks. It's just a matter of time.

Actually I was talking with one of Scott Stricklands assistants yesterday at the football scrimmage and he was telling me Tubby will never have a banner hanging. Said they couldnt take the chance of upsetting the wrong alums and losing donation money. This came right from the man you makes the final call on who has a banner and who doesnt. He will probably go into the UK Hall of Fame but dont expect a banner hanging Rupp.

[SportsFan80]

Thank God for that. Alfus, im not going to drop over dead anytime soon bro, not over sports or you, i wouldnt want to give u the pleasure. Im not going away anytime soon, and I will say what i want about Tubby or whoever else I dont like, including you, but I will make sure that what i say about you, i will pm u myself.

[alfus21]

Actually I was talking with one of Scott Stricklands assistants yesterday at the football scrimmage and he was telling me Tubby will never have a banner hanging. Said they couldnt take the chance of upsetting the wrong alums and losing donation money. This came right from the man you makes the final call on who has a banner and who doesnt. He will probably go into the UK Hall of Fame but dont expect a banner hanging Rupp.

I'm sure you heard that. Just like everybody heard Billy Donovan was coming right? Tubby did the right thing in the Alums' mind by going to Minnesota. How could it "upset" them that bad just seeing a banner hanging there? So Scott Strickland's assistant has the final call on who has a banner and who doesn't? I figured it would be up to the A.D, School President, and the Athletics Board myself.

[SportsFan80]

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