[The Guru]

I wasn't there, but was told that there was an umpire that called this game that is not a liscensed official, is a bus driver from JCHS, and that they either cheated, or know nothing aout the game.
BTW JC won 6-5 in 10 innings.
In the bottom of the 10th, a JC runner, runs into a PHS fielder who is trying to catch an infield fly, and knocks them to the ground and the umpires let the winning run score. From the few that I have talked too, said that it was clearly runner interference. But that the female umpire was either stupid, blind or a cheat.
Could someone pm me and give me the names of the umps? Thanks in advance.

[dawgbyte02]

I wasn't there, but was told that there was an umpire that called this game that is not a liscensed official, is a bus driver from JCHS, and that they either cheated, or know nothing aout the game.
BTW JC won 6-5 in 10 innings.
In the bottom of the 10th, a JC runner, runs into a PHS fielder who is trying to catch an infield fly, and knocks them to the ground and the umpires let the winning run score. From the few that I have talked too, said that it was clearly runner interference. But that the female umpire was either stupid, blind or a cheat.
Could someone pm me and give me the names of the umps? Thanks in advance.

robert staggs of pikeville college was the head umpire for the 15th region.you might give him a call.at the very least an umpire employed by the jchs school system would appear to be a conflict of interest.

[20/20]

Well, I was at the game and the PHS player was not knocked to the ground! There was a bump, but no one hit the ground, lol. The Paintsville fielder went back and dropped the pop-up.
The runner tried to avoid the fielder and little contact was made.
Strong accusations to make against someone, Guru. I believe both umpires got together to make the call and it was the male umpire that called her safe.

[Golden Eagle]

The two umpires were Greg Helton and Teresa Ratliff and both of them are licensed officials.

http://www.khsaa.org/officials/directory/fpo.php

The Paintsville first baseman wasn't knocked to the ground either. The bases were loaded when the the pop up was hit to the first baseman. The PHS fielder was playing in front of the runner and was backpedaling to catch the pop up. At the same time the JCHS base runner was going back to the base when they inadvertently bumped but the fielder was not knocked to the ground. I honestly felt that she still should have caught the ball because it was just a bump. The ball hit the top of her glove and dropped to the ground. The fielder wasn't knocked to the ground. The base umpire Helton called the infield fly rule as soon as the ball was popped up and the runner from third advanced on the drop.

I don't know why these two officials were assigned to this game only Robert Staggs could answer that question.

[The Guru]

The two umpires were Greg Helton and Teresa Ratliff and both of them are licensed officials.

http://www.khsaa.org/officials/directory/fpo.php

The Paintsville first baseman wasn't knocked to the ground either. The bases were loaded when the the pop up was hit to the first baseman. The PHS fielder was playing in front of the runner and was backpedaling to catch the pop up. At the same time the JCHS base runner was going back to the base when they inadvertently bumped but the fielder was not knocked to the ground. I honestly felt that she still should have caught the ball because it was just a bump. The ball hit the top of her glove and dropped to the ground. The fielder wasn't knocked to the ground. The base umpire Helton called the infield fly rule as soon as the ball was popped up and the runner from third advanced on the drop.

I don't know why these two officials were assigned to this game only Robert Staggs could answer that question.

Glad to know that both umpires were liscensed. I have called many games with Helton.
BTW, The rule states, that any contact from a runner while a fielder is attempting to field the ball is interference. No if's or buts. It doesn't matter if the runner does everything possible to avoid contact, it is runner's inrterference and dead ball, runner is out. This is also the rule, even if there is there is the smallest of contact.
Other than the game ending on a wrong call by the umps. It sounded as if it was a great game!
Congrats JCHS, Paintsville, keep your heads up as this one should not have ended that way.
And FYI to everyone, Helton Knows he will get ridden hard by me next time I see him.!!! LOL

[GRIZZ]

Sounds like a fun and exciting game. Congrats to both JC and Paintsville.

[Shady Grady]

Guru, you are absolutely correct. Helton is a great guy who wouldn't cheat anyone. However, as you said, any contact results in interference and a dead ball. If that call was missed, even the best miss some. But again, Helton is as honest as the day is long, and I also know him personally, and again he wouldn't cheat anyone.

[20/20]

I wasn't there, but was told that there was an umpire that called this game that is not a liscensed official, is a bus driver from JCHS, and that they either cheated, or know nothing aout the game.
BTW JC won 6-5 in 10 innings.
In the bottom of the 10th, a JC runner, runs into a PHS fielder who is trying to catch an infield fly, and knocks them to the ground and the umpires let the winning run score. From the few that I have talked too, said that it was clearly runner interference. But that the female umpire was either stupid, blind or a cheat.
Could someone pm me and give me the names of the umps? Thanks in advance.

Sounds like you owe someone an apology. People can question a call and I have absolutely no problem with that, but to call someone out and say these things about them is absolutely wrong. I believe that she has had a child go thru PHS and has grandchildren there at the elementary school.....for now at least, lol!

[OffTheHook]

Well, niether one of those umps should have been put in that situation. I know Helton also and enjoy when he umps our games. But, these games need to be done by umps from other Districts. Because as sure as you let them ump these games, something like this WILL happen every time.

[OffTheHook]

I believe that she has had a child go thru PHS and has grandchildren there at the elementary school.....for now at least, lol!

OH, I'm sure he gets his ear filled full of crap every chance they get. LOL!
Grow up.
(And the Grow up comment was for the little comment made at the end)

[20/20]

Excuse me, but my comment was a joke unlike the Guru's remarks that were disrespectful and uncalled for being that she didn't even make the call in the first place. Definately didn't mean to start anything because the Guru can do those things all by him or herself.
By the way, I doubt very seriously anyone is whispering in anyone's ear, but I guess you would think that because some of you guys at Paintsville are experts at it.

[Pickle-princess]

This was probably one of the best softball games that I have ever witnessed, at least in this area. Both teams played very hard and battled throughout the whole game. Why aren't we commenting on how well the players played. J. Russell hit a beautiful homerun early on in the ballgame....how about that?

[eaglehoops]

I was there and I think the 1st base ump called the runner who ran into the P-ville player out but allowed the runner to score because with that out there would have only been 2 outs. I'm not realy sure on the rules but I will say this there were many questionable calls by both umps tonight. And my oh my what a pitching performance by both ladies! Jessica Russell really stepped up for PHS and for JC, they couldn't hit anything past the infield. And is it just me or do they take the first pitch every time? They got a long way to go if they want to challenge for a region title IMO. Also, great crowd!

[Pickle-princess]

I'm not sure of the terminology but in the instance of an in-field fly ball the runner has the option to advance.....not sure exactly what it is called. But, that is what I was told after the game last night. You are right about the pitching last night. It was awesome. I think that Lemaster is a Senior, correct me if I am wrong and I think that Williams is a Freshman or maybe even younger.

Should make for an interesting season between the 2 teams.

Good luck to both teams.....

[The Guru]

Sounds like you owe someone an apology. People can question a call and I have absolutely no problem with that, but to call someone out and say these things about them is absolutely wrong. I believe that she has had a child go thru PHS and has grandchildren there at the elementary school.....for now at least, lol!

First let me say that with everyone from both sides, JC and PHS, saying that the girls did at least touch the fielder, that if they know the rule, it is runner interference and the runner is out. Now, I have no apologies to make as if they were blind, they didn't see it, stupid means they didn't know the rule or what to do, and cheating speaks for itself. I think you could rule out blind, since a conference about it. (which means they saw it) That only leaves stupid or cheating.

Seems as if Mr. Helton said, after the game, he "made a mistake" on the call... so I guess it was just stupid... I choose stupid because it's easier to type than..."don't know the damn rules":p

20/20... you can post whatever you'd like about me.... I never mentioned anyone's name and only asked if people knew who it was to "pm" me. Why don't you find someone else to bash... your constant needling of my opinions is getting very old & making you look like a big 'ol crybag.

[eaglehoops]

The runner DID run into the fielder! Again she DID run into the fielder! However the fielder misjudged the ball and was way too far up to make the catch so she had to backtrack and while the baserunner was running the two made contact. The 1st baseman then just flat missed the ball, and not because of the runner. Then she just fell trying to hurry and make a play at home. IDK the rules but this was a Great game. Also, Sarah Williams is an 8th grader.

[The Guru]

I was there and I think the 1st base ump called the runner who ran into the P-ville player out but allowed the runner to score because with that out there would have only been 2 outs. I'm not realy sure on the rules but I will say this there were many questionable calls by both umps tonight. And my oh my what a pitching performance by both ladies! Jessica Russell really stepped up for PHS and for JC, they couldn't hit anything past the infield. And is it just me or do they take the first pitch every time? They got a long way to go if they want to challenge for a region title IMO. Also, great crowd!

Runner interference is a dead ball. The runner is out for interference and all other runners have to go back, they cannot advance on a dead ball.

[The Guru]

The runner DID run into the fielder! Again she DID run into the fielder! However the fielder misjudged the ball and was way too far up to make the catch so she had to backtrack and while the baserunner was running the two made contact. The 1st baseman then just flat missed the ball, and not because of the runner. Then she just fell trying to hurry and make a play at home. IDK the rules but this was a Great game. Also, Sarah Williams is an 8th grader.

i am not trying to harp....the first baseman is playing there for the first time in their career and could very well have misjudged it. But the rule is the same. I really feel as though our coach should have argued it much more as you can question and even file a protest on a rules infraction.

[Shady Grady]

It doesn't matter if the fielder misjudges the ball or not. It is totally up to the runner to avoid contact. Any contact is interference. As a matter of fact, if a runner hesitates in front of a fielder attempting to field a grounder, that is also interference. Have seen that called several times.

[OffTheHook]

If it was an "In Field Fly Rule" The batter is out wether the ball is caught or not. Add the fact that a runner made contact with a fielder attempting to make a play then the runner is out and it is a dead ball and no runners can advance.

[rainout]

WAs the played called in field fly to start with?? A runner can advance on his/her own risk/judgement on an infield rule!!! Wasn't there just trying to figure this out?

[The Guru]

WAs the played called in field fly to start with?? A runner can advance on his/her own risk/judgement on an infield rule!!! Wasn't there just trying to figure this out?

Yes, it was an infield fly, The batter was immediately called out. The runner on first had left the base and was trying to get back to first when they made contact with the fielder as the fielder was attempting to catch the ball. Should have been dead ball, with the batter out, and then the runner out for interference.
Instead, the umps allowed the winning run to score on the interference play.

[rainout]

Possibly could been infield fly batter was OUT, and if it was dead ball then the runner returns to the base previously occupied? Becuase there is no advancement on dead ball!! It's a good argument either way! But if the runner hit the defender, the you could have interference??

[eaglehoops]

Sounds good to me. As I said I had no clue as to what the rule for that was, but IMO there we some very questionable calls all night on both sides. And like you I too feel that when a coach thinks the umps are wrong they should argue like no other, I would!

[rainout]

In our region there are only a handful of games the BIGS should call, and this probably would have been one of them!!

[dawgbyte02]

it does seem some of the umps in the 15th are lacking in the finer points of the game.at lawrence on 4/9 the umps disqualified several lc bats which is fine but the other 11 games lc played in both ky and tn these very same bats were inspected and approved.also a runner does not have to touch a fielder to be interference.the only time a runner is allowed to run out of the basepath is when trying to avoid interfering with the defensive player.

[DOG!]

Who cares about the one last call? The bad last call wouldn't of even happened if Paintsville would of came out hitting and gave JC more or a challenge in the first throgh six innings. But big props to Jesikah Russell with her second night in a row homerun! Let's talk more about the players not the officals!

[OffTheHook]

Who cares about the one last call? The bad last call wouldn't of even happened if Paintsville would of came out hitting and gave JC more or a challenge in the first throgh six innings. But big props to Jesikah Russell with her second night in a row homerun! Let's talk more about the players not the officals!

Both teams and fans care. A game shouldn't be decided on a wrong call by the officials. It should be decided by the teams. If the right call is made. The inning is over and both teams get another shot with the bats. It doesn't matter if Paintsville swung the bats or not. They should have been beaten by JC and not a blown call. If you get beat by a base rip, OH WELL. But, not the ump's lack of knowledge.

[The Guru]

Who cares about the one last call? The bad last call wouldn't of even happened if Paintsville would of came out hitting and gave JC more or a challenge in the first throgh six innings. But big props to Jesikah Russell with her second night in a row homerun! Let's talk more about the players not the officals!

Well....when the game ends because of the blown call, it means a lot.

[Hard Hitter]

Both teams and fans care. A game shouldn't be decided on a wrong call by the officials. It should be decided by the teams. If the right call is made. The inning is over and both teams get another shot with the bats. It doesn't matter if Paintsville swung the bats or not. They should have been beaten by JC and not a blown call. If you get beat by a base rip, OH WELL. But, not the ump's lack of knowledge.

The game still wouldnt have been over that would have just been two out there were no outs when this occured. Jc would have had another shoot with runners on second and third. One other thing In the 10 inning with a runner starting on second Neither coach bunted them over. Thats crazy that should be the first thing you do.