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01-26-2007, 02:42 AM
Ok....a person asked me just what was considered an assist. As I understand, they got info,(though not neccessarirly from the statistician) That an assist was only given when a passer gets the ball to the shooter and the shooter only has to shoot the ball, also that an assist could not be given if the shooter has to take a dribble.
Now....I looked it up and this is what I found.......
In basketball, an assist is attributed to a player who passes the ball to a teammate in a way that leads to a score by field goal, meaning that he or she was "assisting" in the basket. This person is known as the "assistor." According to the Official 2004 NCAA Basketball Statistics Rules, an assist has to be "a major part of the play," which either finds the player already with a "positional advantage", or helps him or her get one. There is thus some judgment involved in deciding whether a player deserves an assist. An assist can be scored for the passer even if the player who receives the pass makes a basket after dribbling the ball.
Befor 2004, an assist was garnered more difficultly according to this info.
But if you are a team statistician, why not give an assist even if the shooter takes a dribble? That is, if the Stat man doesn't already. It only makes players look a little better.....and when looking to play at the next level, couldn't it help if their stats showed let's say.....6.7 assists per game, instead of 4.2??
Any oppinions?
Now....I looked it up and this is what I found.......
In basketball, an assist is attributed to a player who passes the ball to a teammate in a way that leads to a score by field goal, meaning that he or she was "assisting" in the basket. This person is known as the "assistor." According to the Official 2004 NCAA Basketball Statistics Rules, an assist has to be "a major part of the play," which either finds the player already with a "positional advantage", or helps him or her get one. There is thus some judgment involved in deciding whether a player deserves an assist. An assist can be scored for the passer even if the player who receives the pass makes a basket after dribbling the ball.
Befor 2004, an assist was garnered more difficultly according to this info.
But if you are a team statistician, why not give an assist even if the shooter takes a dribble? That is, if the Stat man doesn't already. It only makes players look a little better.....and when looking to play at the next level, couldn't it help if their stats showed let's say.....6.7 assists per game, instead of 4.2??
Any oppinions?
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01-26-2007, 05:46 AM
The way I read this whats to say I take the ball out or rebound a shot hand it to some one and they dribble the length of the court and shoot a layup,that is a major part of the play and by these definitions should be an assist. This is a good question I havent really thought about till now
01-26-2007, 10:59 AM
I'm not saying the way I've done it in the past is correct, but I've always given an assist to the passer if his pass lead directly to a basket. If he throws a 3/4 court pass to a wide open player who dribbles once, twice or three times by made no other offensive moves other than going straight to the basket un guraded I gave an assist. Now if a passer throws a pass to player on the block who head fakes, gets his man in the air then scores, no assist. The pass didn't lead directly to the score, the head fake or post move did.
Now going out on the limb....if it's a two on one and the passer gives the ball up to his teammate who was fouled......and he hits his free-throws (both), did the pass lead directly to the basket....or score. I gave an assist.
Now going out on the limb....if it's a two on one and the passer gives the ball up to his teammate who was fouled......and he hits his free-throws (both), did the pass lead directly to the basket....or score. I gave an assist.
01-26-2007, 12:42 PM
As long as the player does not have to make a individual move. such as using the dribble to get by a defender, a assist is givin on a break away inbounds pass even if the player scoring catches the ball and dribbles from the 3 pt line in as long as he or she does not have to make a move aroound someone. Individual move still hard to get right all the time but make more since to the common fan.
01-26-2007, 01:47 PM
Youngerthandirt Wrote:I'm not saying the way I've done it in the past is correct, but I've always given an assist to the passer if his pass lead directly to a basket. If he throws a 3/4 court pass to a wide open player who dribbles once, twice or three times by made no other offensive moves other than going straight to the basket un guraded I gave an assist. Now if a passer throws a pass to player on the block who head fakes, gets his man in the air then scores, no assist. The pass didn't lead directly to the score, the head fake or post move did.
Now going out on the limb....if it's a two on one and the passer gives the ball up to his teammate who was fouled......and he hits his free-throws (both), did the pass lead directly to the basket....or score. I gave an assist.
This is a good way of looking at it. I always thought it was a good idea to give an assist after the free throw thing, but it's not officially an assist. I used to lobby for those to no avail.
01-26-2007, 06:05 PM
Cucumber Wrote:I always thought it was an assist if they take no more than 1 dribble
I dont think you could go by that because sometimes the shooter might not HAVE HAD to dribble, but he does anyway. Form, habit, bad choice, whatever. It shouldn't take away from the assist. I've seen that several times and it sometimes causes a turnover. SHOOT THE BALL LOL
I always that it was or should be as posted earlier:
an assist is attributed to a player who passes the ball to a teammate in a way that leads to a score by field goal, meaning that he or she was "assisting" in the basket. An assist has to be "a major part of the play," which either finds the player already with a "positional advantage", or helps him or her get one. An assist can be scored for the passer even if the player who receives the pass makes a basket after dribbling the ball.
01-27-2007, 03:11 AM
The way I read this, if the shooter, has position wi the advantage to score...then the pass should be an assist. Or, if the pass allows the shooter to gain the advantage and scores, then it should be an assist. So....if a post player has his opponent on his hip, and gets a pass, then he has "postional advantage", thus even if he does headfake, then it should be an assist. But then, let's say he is being fronted.....gets a lob pass that puts him under the basket, but he still headfakes...still should be an assist, imo.
but what if a cutter goes by a screen and as he breaks open, he recieves a pass and then takes a dribble or 2 and lays it in....again...I give an assist, maybe I am too generous, but what the hey!
but what if a cutter goes by a screen and as he breaks open, he recieves a pass and then takes a dribble or 2 and lays it in....again...I give an assist, maybe I am too generous, but what the hey!
01-27-2007, 10:38 AM
BlueBells Wrote:Hey J.R. what is your opinion?
I think everyone has about covered it!!
01-27-2007, 12:25 PM
I think today's method of assists is much different than in the past. If Allen Iverson passes the ball to someone and he goes straight up and hits a 3, that's an assist. IMO it's not. The guy being a good 3 point shooter has nothing to do with an asssist. An assist should be a pass that leads directly to a basket being scored, and the assistor is jointly responsible for the points.
If assists were kept in the old days like they are now, Oscar Robertson would have records that no one would ever touch, including Magic.
If assists were kept in the old days like they are now, Oscar Robertson would have records that no one would ever touch, including Magic.
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