[IISnakE]

I heard there were two Belfry squads competing

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks for the explanation.
I just don't understand why a sanctioning body doesn't do the classification based on school size like other sports.

BTW....everyone needs to stay on topic with this thread.

I agree or make it open like the Sweet 16, this appears to allow larger schools to drop down in class.

[IISnakE]

I say it's past time that all high school squads in Kentucky are made to participate in KAPOS. Their male counterparts do not get to "choose" to play in the District tournament. Class system wouldn't work in cheer. Pikeville Maroon competes @ State in Small... then there's Perry CCHS(Red) who competes small as well.... so class system won't cover this. An "open type" thing wouldn't work... you'd have to have a 2 week session to get thru it.... so use the KAPOS Region At-Large set up and weed thru it! Just like the boys in roundball..... that's not too hard to get one's arms around.

[FOX SPORTS]

In cheerleading their are no size classifications other than squad size.
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I understand that.
My question is why isn't there a sancioning body that classifies, rather than the squad "declaring" every year where they will compete?

I realize it's different but a situation comes to mind for comparison.
What if a 195lb boxer wanted to "declare" himself competing in the 165lb division???

[phs1986]

I understand that.
My question is why isn't there a sancioning body that classifies, rather than the squad "declaring" every year where they will compete?

I realize it's different but a situation comes to mind for comparison.
What if a 195lb boxer wanted to "declare" himself competing in the 165lb division???

I have to agree!!! NOTHING bad intended BUT.... some of the smaller schools such as Phelps who do not have 4 or 5 feeder schools shouldn't be expected to compete with schools who do..... Belfry has 5 feeder schools and an OUTSTANDING cheer squad.... PC has Johns Creek and Mullins feeding them and MANY more throughout the county and region.... I agree with Fox.... KHSAA should figure out a way to sanction the competition...... they figure everything else out... LOL.....

[catsfan072]

If only cheerleaders we recoginize by KHSAA. They are only recognized when it comes to Title IX.. Which is the dumbest rule alive.

[phs1986]

YEP.... cheerleading is not considered a sport.... Go figure??? LOLOL...

[hillbilly]

I understand that.
My question is why isn't there a sancioning body that classifies, rather than the squad "declaring" every year where they will compete?

I realize it's different but a situation comes to mind for comparison.
What if a 195lb boxer wanted to "declare" himself competing in the 165lb division???

KAPOS is the organization for Kentucky. The cheerleaders have to abide by many of the state regulations, but yet the state does not recognize them as a sport. The state officials used to take out the KAPOS winners during halftime of the basketball finals and recognize them, but the current administration (female leader)has stopped this. In reference to your situation from above, it would be like Phelps , Paintsville, and Pikeville competing against Dunbar, Madison Central, and othe large schools every year. All of the national competitions are based on squad numbers not school size.

[57thScarlett]

When it comes to size, it matters about how many girls try out for cheerleading, not how large the school is.
For example: Johnson Central is a 3 or 4 A school, BUT one year they may only have 13 girls try out for the squad. Team sizes change from year to year. If they were put into a group with other schools of that size, those teams may have up to 17 or 18 girls. That would put JC at a disadvantage. Its very hard to judge a small squad aginst a large squad.
Another example is Magoffin Co. They're 2A school, but compeat in the large group because of the number of girls on the team.
Hope this helps!

[FOX SPORTS]

When it comes to size, it matters about how many girls try out for cheerleading, not how large the school is.
For example: Johnson Central is a 3 or 4 A school, BUT one year they may only have 13 girls try out for the squad. Team sizes change from year to year. If they were put into a group with other schools of that size, those teams may have up to 17 or 18 girls. That would put JC at a disadvantage. Its very hard to judge a small squad aginst a large squad.
Another example is Magoffin Co. They're 2A school, but compeat in the large group because of the number of girls on the team.
Hope this helps!

My point is that it shouldn't matter how many try out or on the squad...It should be based on school size, like other sports.

[IISnakE]

My point is that it shouldn't matter how many try out or on the squad...It should be based on school size, like other sports.

Are you saying that schools cheer squads should be "classed" and then from those "classes" they choose which catagory in which they compete? Like "Class A" Small-2-1/2, Medium- 2-1/2, Large- 2-1/2, Co-ed, and Traditional... then "Class 2A"... and so on thru the classes?

[FOX SPORTS]

Are you saying that schools cheer squads should be "classed" and then from those "classes" they choose which catagory in which they compete? Like "Class A" Small-2-1/2, Medium- 2-1/2, Large- 2-1/2, Co-ed, and Traditional... then "Class 2A"... and so on thru the classes?

No
They should be classified by a sanctioning body and compete where they are classified.
The only choice should be compete or not.
Imagine another sport where a school could choose to send two different squads to the same competition. I know some schools that could send two basketball teams to the post season and probably meet in the championship.

[5_blush_5]

The only other sport that is even classified by school size is football (with the exception of the all "a" classic with basketball). Why force cheerleading teams to do this, when its not even considered a sport? IF this would ever even happen, then why not seperate basketball teams by size as well?

[Coach Cline]

The only other sport that is even classified by school size is football (with the exception of the all "a" classic with basketball). Why force cheerleading teams to do this, when its not even considered a sport? IF this would ever even happen, then why not seperate basketball teams by size as well?

you just made a big mistake by sayin its not evne a sport, just a fair warnin..haha....what fox is getting at is like you know 2A 3A 4A highschools and things.....wouldnt it be so much more fair if the squads were based on their school size? like 1 A with 1A...2A with 2A...3A with 3a cheering in KAPOS...i think that choosing your squad size kind of serves as an unfair advantage to some squads....just me though.....like if someone like Belfry Football chose to go to 1A they would be totally dominant.....get what we mean? like one larger, more dominant school shouldnt be competing with smaller schools....im not dissing small schools in any way, but you have to admit with the larger amount of girls ina large school there would be more natural cheerleaders....like talented....again IM NOT DISSING SMALLER SCHOOLS.

[5_blush_5]

I cheered all 4 years of high school, so I wasn't being smart by saying it wasn't a sport. I was just stating the facts. You can't force cheer teams into classes until KHSAA recognizes it as a sport (which I think it should have been considered one a LONG time ago).

[.B.A.L.L.I.N.]

By choosing not to compete (and I would be shocked if they chose to) Paintsville and Prestonsburg are just making themselves look bad. But as long as the ppl over the squads choose to run a "country club" pep squad rather than a "competition" squad, then I don't look for things to change. Unfortunate for them though.

.. And what exactly is wrong with a "country club" pep squad. Maybe they prefer to be "country club" instead of competing!! And maybe they don't care what other people think of how they prefer run their squads....

[*Central_Cheer_Chick]

I think the divisions are fine the way they are. I just thought that everyone should HAVE TO declare at a certain date. This way they know how many trophies and ribbons to order for each division. I'm not mad that P-burg didn't declare...it's their choice. I just thought that it makes it more unorganized when squads don't.

[xlowesgirlx]

i know Sheldon Clark, South Floyd, and one of Pikevilles teams are in the small division!

[catsfan072]

Well I have heard JC is going Traditional, from a very reliable source. So declaring at the meeting really has no purpose when squads can change like that. At least Prestonsburg was up front about not knowing what division they want to go in. Everyone else just does it behind the scenes.

[IISnakE]

JC is going Traditional. They called and requested to be moved from Medium to Traditional. (go figure)

And correct... declaring at the meeting was pointless.... I thought the powers that be, cleared this up, after the Summer meetings... evidently not.

Pikeville (Maroon) is Small. Pikeville (White) is Medium.

[phs1986]

I have to agree with you Snake.... why declare if you can go back and change it a week later?? Pointless!!!

[*Central_Cheer_Chick]

ditto (sp?)

[hillbilly]

JC is going Traditional. They called and requested to be moved from Medium to Traditional. (go figure)

And correct... declaring at the meeting was pointless.... I thought the powers that be, cleared this up, after the Summer meetings... evidently not.

Pikeville (Maroon) is Small. Pikeville (White) is Medium.

Why would they change from medium to traditional? Could they be avoiding somebody?

[EKY Sportster]

I say it's past time that all high school squads in Kentucky are made to participate in KAPOS.

:thumpsup: Unless a school just wants to dress cheerleaders for ballgames only and NEVER compete or do gymnastics at all. I say this because I'm sure that there are some schools out there (mostly very small ones) where they use the cheerleaders for school spirit purposes but where the girls lack the ability to compete period, even on a small level. But any team that competes as a cheerleading squad and has competent cheerleaders should have to compete in KAPOS. It should be mandatory.

[FOX SPORTS]

Why would they change from medium to traditional? Could they be avoiding somebody?

Exactly my point as to why a sanctioning body should dictate which division a squad competes in.

[IISnakE]

I'd say that JC felt more comfortable in Traditional. Plus there are so many divisions now and so few squads competing in the 15th, that most participating squads try to spread it out and not step on anyone's toes. :Cheerlead

However.... I used to love the days when everyone came and declared the day of the competition.... put up or shut up... no divisions.... let it all hang out and to the victor goes the spoils!!! irateSho

What days those were..... kissin' & cryin' i'd reckon!:popcorn: ( a few tussles too... in the stands, lobby, and parking areas... )

[IISnakE]

Actually I just reread this previous post and realized I goofed it up... back in the day... before divisions, everyone just came and did a gymnastics cheer, a non-gymnastics cheer, and a dance routine (this is sorta kinda like today's Traditional Division) Many is the day that this poster has left a gym mad enough to pinch someone's head off... but then everyone has had those days. In order to incorporate more folks to "share the wealth"... additional divisions were added. This was helpful in bringing back more squads to the regional competitions. I personally believe the awarding of District Ribbons is pointless, but if they wanna do it... cool by me!
Now... here's what I REALLY think. Game Situation is no longer counting towards anything... but it ACTUALLY used to determine who competed @ the Regionall Competitions. In a way... THIS WAS ACTUALLY MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHO ACTUALLY HAS THE BEST SQUAD... IF ONE IS WILLING TO CALL THEMSELVES A CHEER LEADER. This way allowed the best group of cheer leaders to be rewarded for boosting the spirit of their school in a District Tournament game. The Winner and runner-up I believe then advanced to Regional Competition and the best squad there advanced to State At-Large. Now.... Brigid DeVries has opted to continue to use KAPOS judges and rules to govern their State Tournament in-game competitions... but has opted to refrain from recognizing the efforts of squads from across the Commonwealth who are State At-Large Champions... to this I say.... "Honey.... you're phoo-fooing in your mess gear on this one... you've a wonderful opportunity to include one of the hardest working groups of athletes in this State.... no wait... you're the leader of the group who refuses to acknowledge cheer as the SPORT it truly is" I swear... this makes me so mad that a group of puffed up referees get to call the shots on something that concerns them not one iota. Guess it would skew their Title IX areas... and far be it from them to "skew" their advantage. (I'm rolling my eyes) soo... let's recap. A group of old refs call most of the shots to keep a group of deserving high school athletes from being recognized as a sport, but they still get to tell them what, when, where, and how to do what they do.... I say... it's way past time to circle the wagons ladies and let Brigid and her paunch patrol judge the cheer leader @ the Sweet 16's and incorporate ourselves fairly. Cheer for eveyone who requests cheer leaders, govern ourselves, and lead the way among this Nations best producers of cheer athletes. (How's that for a good old fashioned "soap box" sermonette... ?? I guess all I need is an "Amen"!)

[phs1986]

Amen!!! Lmao!!!!

[*Central_Cheer_Chick]

Wow! So, they based who went to KAPOS on which squads did the best at cheering games? I think that they should definitly do that now because some squads don't try at games

[Estaban Esteves]

lol...this is coming up next weekend its all i hear about in first period with all the cheerleaders in my class i can't wait..im gonna check it out we had a wrestling tourney and our team got to practice on mats for a change cause my schools so poor they only have one dolamur mat.....but it was pretty kool a few gurls have front handsprings and everything so i cant wait to see wat the rest of these schools do that actually have mats......