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09-10-2006, 09:51 AM
Heard yesterday that the REF crew for the Ashland- Russell game are being reviewed on tape this week. Any one heard this????????????????
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09-10-2006, 09:58 AM
Dont know but they were the same crew that REF'd the Boyd County game last year, not for sure but I think they were the same crew for the Ashland-Belfry game too.
09-10-2006, 10:01 AM
Devilologist Wrote:Dont know but they were the same crew that REF'd the Boyd County game last year, not for sure but I think they were the same crew for the Ashland-Belfry game too.
Heard that too. I eally don't think it would have made a difference one way or another in the Russell game as flat as they played. As for Ashland/Belfry I wasn't there to judge. So who knows. Keep us posted if you get definitave information.
09-10-2006, 10:05 AM
Sure will, I am sure to hear more in church this morning about this issue. I think it is awesome that when yoiu go to church , youhave special prayer for the football program. I visited another church last weekend and they were preaching football too. WOW I love Sundays.......except I have to work 7p-7a.... That really stinks.
09-10-2006, 11:23 AM
Devilologist Wrote:Sure will, I am sure to hear more in church this morning about this issue. I think it is awesome that when yoiu go to church , youhave special prayer for the football program. I visited another church last weekend and they were preaching football too. WOW I love Sundays.......except I have to work 7p-7a.... That really stinks.
yea it does (lol)
09-10-2006, 12:37 PM
Devilologist Wrote:I think they were the same crew for the Ashland-Belfry game too.
I wanted to make some comments about the referees after the Belfry\Ashland game, but I didn't want to stir up a mess..so I kept quiet. But, now that this has come to light I'm not going to be so quiet.
I thought it was awfully fishy that two teams that has won the last three consecutive Class AA State Titles lost in back to back weeks to Ashland in overtime at Ashland.
Sounds like some good old fashioned home cooking to me....
hh: If I were in a position of authority at either Belfry or Russell, I'd be insisting that the KHSAA fully review BOTH games.
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09-10-2006, 12:57 PM
After watching the refs in all the pike county bowl games, three games at HIGH HAT, it was nice to see a well officiated game at Belfry Friday night. Hat off to that crew.
09-10-2006, 02:09 PM
BelfryPride Wrote:I wanted to make some comments about the referees after the Belfry\Ashland game, but I didn't want to stir up a mess..so I kept quiet. But, now that this has come to light I'm not going to be so quiet.
I thought it was awfully fishy that two teams that has won the last three consecutive Class AA State Titles lost in back to back weeks to Ashland in overtime at Ashland.
Sounds like some good old fashioned home cooking to me....
If I were in a position of authority at either Belfry or Russell, I'd be insisting that the KHSAA fully review BOTH games.
How many did Belfry have called back, I know we had 1 called back for something that was 40 yards back away from the play. Clark was already gone....... to the EZ...
I watched BEACH from Raceland get absolutely hammered in the game, punched and ran out of bounds past the Raceland coaches and eneded up at the bench, no flag on that one either, Beach gets kicked out for retaliation after getting beat up on the bottom of the pile. YEA FISHY...........
Russell and Belfry come in to the PS and play, Granted Russell stunk up the place but was winning on the scoreboard,,,,,,, yea fishy still.............
If we would have scored. it would have been no OT and Russell would have cam out with the win...... Did Belfry have 2or 3 called back?????
Even fishier still.........
09-10-2006, 05:20 PM
I'm always happy to hear about a review. It means the KHSAA is actually taking some action against some questionable officiating.
From my own eyes though, 2 of the 3 big plays called back against Belfry were legimate. The TD run by May down the home sideline was called back because there was a clear block in the back about 5 yards behind May right as he hit the sideline. Also, the QB keeper for a big gain down the visitor sideline, that flag was thrown as soon as the ball was snapped for illegal procedure so the outcome of the play had no bearing on the call. I would assume it was due to an illegal formation or not enough men on the line of scrimmage. I didn't see a penalty on the punt return by May for the TD though.
As for the Russell game, the TD run by Clark was called back legimately as well. Drew McDavid had outside contain on the play and was absolutely crushed in the back about 7-8 yards upfield from the line of scrimmage. I will agree that the flag came out late, but he was staring at McDavid for a full couple seconds before he threw the flag.
From my own eyes though, 2 of the 3 big plays called back against Belfry were legimate. The TD run by May down the home sideline was called back because there was a clear block in the back about 5 yards behind May right as he hit the sideline. Also, the QB keeper for a big gain down the visitor sideline, that flag was thrown as soon as the ball was snapped for illegal procedure so the outcome of the play had no bearing on the call. I would assume it was due to an illegal formation or not enough men on the line of scrimmage. I didn't see a penalty on the punt return by May for the TD though.
As for the Russell game, the TD run by Clark was called back legimately as well. Drew McDavid had outside contain on the play and was absolutely crushed in the back about 7-8 yards upfield from the line of scrimmage. I will agree that the flag came out late, but he was staring at McDavid for a full couple seconds before he threw the flag.
09-10-2006, 06:34 PM
Clark was already gone before the ref even reached for it. Whether or not it was actually a block in the back I don't know. I was watching Clark break away on the other side of the field when the flag was thrown. If it was a block in the back than that was just a bonehead play. Either way the flag was really really late.
09-10-2006, 07:51 PM
Devilologist Wrote:Dont know but they were the same crew that REF'd the Boyd County game last year, not for sure but I think they were the same crew for the Ashland-Belfry game too.let me guess they reffed the p-west game too but there were different ref's at the raceland game.
09-10-2006, 08:47 PM
Devilologist Wrote:Dont know but they were the same crew that REF'd the Boyd County game last year, not for sure but I think they were the same crew for the Ashland-Belfry game too.
I hate complaining about officiating because I've experienced how hard it is to make the right call. But I had a big problem with the way this crew handled the Russell/Boyd Co. game last year, and this year they seem to be taking alot of touchdowns away from the higher ranking teams. This crew continues to make both sides cringe when they see them walk on the field. But for some reason this crew continues to get assigned to big games in this part of the state. IMO I think the crew in question can finally take out a little revenge against someone that was a crewmember on a crew they always competed against for the big games. The crewmember I'm referring to has taken Friday nights off the last few years to enjoy watching his son play. And just for your information I've never heard him say anything bad about the crew in question. This is something that has been brewing with the crew in question for over 25 yrs. I've got pictures from the Russell/Boyd game last year of the crew chief, while standing on his tippy toe's, was pointing his finger in the face mask of a Russell player and screaming to the point of the veins were popping out of his neck. I had never seen an official treat a player like that before.
Just wanted to share this info with everyone. I just hope the next time we play a game that could end our season we don't see this crew walking on the field.
09-11-2006, 01:43 AM
Devil68 Wrote:I hate complaining about officiating because I've experienced how hard it is to make the right call. But I had a big problem with the way this crew handled the Russell/Boyd Co. game last year, and this year they seem to be taking alot of touchdowns away from the higher ranking teams. This crew continues to make both sides cringe when they see them walk on the field. But for some reason this crew continues to get assigned to big games in this part of the state. IMO I think the crew in question can finally take out a little revenge against someone that was a crewmember on a crew they always competed against for the big games. The crewmember I'm referring to has taken Friday nights off the last few years to enjoy watching his son play. And just for your information I've never heard him say anything bad about the crew in question. This is something that has been brewing with the crew in question for over 25 yrs. I've got pictures from the Russell/Boyd game last year of the crew chief, while standing on his tippy toe's, was pointing his finger in the face mask of a Russell player and screaming to the point of the veins were popping out of his neck. I had never seen an official treat a player like that before.
Just wanted to share this info with everyone. I just hope the next time we play a game that could end our season we don't see this crew walking on the field.
Nice to see someone with the "In the know" to speak up. I just asked to see if this was true.... did not mean to incriminate someone,,,, but if you have the first hand knowledge of this action, I would attest to believe you... Thanks for the info and keep us informed on other situations..... Great to have you Devil68 and welcome..
09-11-2006, 07:40 AM
The referees are reviewed by the KHSAA in several games every year.
You might be surprised how many.
Coaches are free to submit game tapes for review.
However, Seldom is anything done. More times than not it is simply used as training video.
You might be surprised how many.
Coaches are free to submit game tapes for review.
However, Seldom is anything done. More times than not it is simply used as training video.
09-12-2006, 03:13 AM
Devilologist Wrote:Sure will, I am sure to hear more in church this morning about this issue. I think it is awesome that when yoiu go to church , youhave special prayer for the football program. I visited another church last weekend and they were preaching football too. WOW I love Sundays.......except I have to work 7p-7a.... That really stinks.I love football dearly but I think GOD would want his SON preached about and not football, no offense JMO.
09-12-2006, 03:50 AM
Dustin's break to the outside was a fair call, but the false start on Ryan's run (wasn't called on the field as illegal procedure) should have been blown dead at the start of the play, and wasn't. I didn't see the flag EVER on that play, nor did ANY Belfry fan see a false start, not even on the vid. Dustin's punt return was complete BS though. He was in the endzone so fast that we didn't have time to block anyone in the back.
They called some other interesting penalties on Ashland too, and missed a lineman downfield on one of Ashland's TD passes and a facemask which would have given us first down at the end of a 3rd and long.
Officiating aside, it was still a great game, and come December I think we'll have been fortunate to have lost it, as it'll always stick in our boys' minds that they can lose that easily. It's been inspirational to them to come out hard from the first snap since then, so I hope it keeps being an inspiration to them. We've had trouble the last couple years of starting off flat (last year vs Russell of note).
They called some other interesting penalties on Ashland too, and missed a lineman downfield on one of Ashland's TD passes and a facemask which would have given us first down at the end of a 3rd and long.
Officiating aside, it was still a great game, and come December I think we'll have been fortunate to have lost it, as it'll always stick in our boys' minds that they can lose that easily. It's been inspirational to them to come out hard from the first snap since then, so I hope it keeps being an inspiration to them. We've had trouble the last couple years of starting off flat (last year vs Russell of note).
09-12-2006, 09:03 AM
Sarrr Wrote:Dustin's break to the outside was a fair call, but the false start on Ryan's run (wasn't called on the field as illegal procedure) should have been blown dead at the start of the play, and wasn't. I didn't see the flag EVER on that play, nor did ANY Belfry fan see a false start, not even on the vid. Dustin's punt return was complete BS though. He was in the endzone so fast that we didn't have time to block anyone in the back.
They called some other interesting penalties on Ashland too, and missed a lineman downfield on one of Ashland's TD passes and a facemask which would have given us first down at the end of a 3rd and long.
Officiating aside, it was still a great game, and come December I think we'll have been fortunate to have lost it, as it'll always stick in our boys' minds that they can lose that easily. It's been inspirational to them to come out hard from the first snap since then, so I hope it keeps being an inspiration to them. We've had trouble the last couple years of starting off flat (last year vs Russell of note).
If the QB keeper was called a false start and the play wasn't stopped that's very, very odd. Since the play wasn't stopped, that's why I assumed it was ruled an illegal procedure penalty (referee motion is the same from the stands). I figured that maybe a receiver checked off the line when he was supposed to be on. I did see that flag thrown though. It was thrown by the visitor side line judge (I guess that's his name, he's the one standing on the line of scrimmage all the way over on the visitor sideline). He didn't really throw it as much as he just barely tossed it in front of himself which is very common for an illegal procedure/formation penalty. I guess from the home stands it's a lot easier to see a flag come out from that official since we're staring right at him during the play.
I remember that face mask call no call as well. I thought we got away with that one.
09-12-2006, 12:23 PM
JWBN4EA Wrote:I agree with you all the way:thumpsup:
Yea man. lol
The bad thing about this is, I have known Jimmy for a while, and my senior year, he was a horrible ref. But I did give him a lot of hell after his first few games that year. lol
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09-12-2006, 02:03 PM
Its happening way too often nowadays that games played by young men are being decided by adults in striped shirts and thats a crying shame.
09-12-2006, 02:21 PM
Agreed................
09-12-2006, 05:15 PM
PantherPride68 Wrote:I love football dearly but I think GOD would want his SON preached about and not football, no offense JMO.
If I remember correctly I do believe Jesus used parables to teach also, if football be involved in that parable and it touches someone, wonderful! I don't believe Jesus was actually preaching about mustard seeds............
09-12-2006, 05:19 PM
It also talks about the Laying Of hands in the Bible too, it doesnt say for "FOR HOW LONG OR HOW HARD NOW DOES IT....
09-12-2006, 07:16 PM
Devilologist Wrote:Sure will, I am sure to hear more in church this morning about this issue. I think it is awesome that when yoiu go to church , youhave special prayer for the football program. I visited another church last weekend and they were preaching football too. WOW I love Sundays.......except I have to work 7p-7a.... That really stinks.
im a tomcat fan and ive seen bad calls in football games, im not going to go back and forth about all the calls. In the belfry game if not for two bone-head block in the back penalties that had nothing to do with the outcome of the play thay would have beaten ashland, but those are the rules of the game, I saw no fault in the russell game either ashland lost 5 turnovers and still won. ive seen bad teams win when thay get five turnovers but ive never seen a good team lose after getting 5 turnovers.
on a more important note i love football but if my church ever starts preaching football instead of the blood of christ ill find another church . not a cut at a fellow christian just a word of advice.
09-12-2006, 08:29 PM
I honestly think there should be random reviews so that things would be called a bit better. I still cannot understand how a team can run the ball 90% of the time and only have a couple holding penalties, at most.
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09-12-2006, 11:43 PM
Sugar Bear Wrote:im a tomcat fan and ive seen bad calls in football games, im not going to go back and forth about all the calls. In the belfry game if not for two bone-head block in the back penalties that had nothing to do with the outcome of the play thay would have beaten ashland, but those are the rules of the game, I saw no fault in the russell game either ashland lost 5 turnovers and still won. ive seen bad teams win when thay get five turnovers but ive never seen a good team lose after getting 5 turnovers.
on a more important note i love football but if my church ever starts preaching football instead of the blood of christ ill find another church . not a cut at a fellow christian just a word of advice.
Ok before this gets out of context, I don't believe anyone said that they were "preaching" football, I was actually in the service that Devilologist was speaking of (it was my church and my son's baptism service) and he was using football coaching as an analogy. My son and several other children and adults commented after the service about what a great analogy it was and my 10 year old commented that it was a great message. Also if we are getting into this conversation I would be hesitant to make the remarks like the ones above in fear that someone got a blessing out of that sermon which God intended for it to be and you may have just crushed their blessing. We should pray about things before we type. No offense intended.
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