[plantmanky]

KC wont beat Denver on purpose, they dont want Cincy in playoffs.

Season is over.

[Old School Hound]

KC wont beat Denver on purpose, they dont want Cincy in playoffs.

Season is over.

Silly logic(not surprised).  Chiefs may lose but it will have NOTHING to do with them tanking to keep the 8-8 Bengals out.  The Bengals would go to Buffalo, NOT KC, and no team tanks worrying about a 8-8 that they might face three games into the playoffs. Take a course in logical reasoning.

[Old School Hound]

Question: Would you trade Joe Burrow for any TWO players on the planet?

[Bluecat]

Playoffs or not Cincy needs to get a new coach to lead them if they are truly wanting to play for championships. Taylor has made way too. many bad decisions and they are never ready to start the season which has cost us so much.

[Old School Hound]

Playoffs or not Cincy needs to get a new coach to lead them if they are truly wanting to play for championships. Taylor has made way too. many bad decisions and they are never ready to start the season which has cost us so much.

Completely agree!!! He seems like a really good guy but I hate him as coach. I fear that the Superbowl year bought him another 10 or 12 years, at least. Hope not. He's going to waste the Burrow years, and that would be a shame. Joe Burrow type guys playing in Cincinnati happen once in a lifetime.

[jetpilot]

Question:  Would you trade Joe Burrow for any TWO players on the planet?

of course

[Old School Hound]

Question:  Would you trade Joe Burrow for any TWO players on the planet?

of course

Bengals w/o Burrow are likely a two or three win team. I'm assuming you would trade for another QB. What QB and another player would be worth Burrow?

[jetpilot]

Question:  Would you trade Joe Burrow for any TWO players on the planet?

of course

Bengals w/o Burrow are likely a two or three win team. I'm assuming you would trade for another QB. What QB and another player would be worth Burrow?

Don't know what the Bengals' needs are but Jaden Daniels and Saquon Barkley

[jetpilot]

Question:  Would you trade Joe Burrow for any TWO players on the planet?

of course

Bengals w/o Burrow are likely a two or three win team. I'm assuming you would trade for another QB. What QB and another player would be worth Burrow?

Don't know what the Bengals' needs are but Jaden Daniels and Saquon Barkley

Jayden

[Old School Hound]

Anyone else taking the trade that Jet proposed? Burrow for Jayden Daniels and Saquon Barkley. I'm keeping Joe. What say you?

[jetpilot]

Anyone else taking the trade that Jet proposed?  Burrow for Jayden Daniels and Saquon Barkley. I'm keeping Joe. What say you?

RACIST!!! Lol see how dumb that is???

You're way off though. No one in the NFL is remotely in the same universe as being as good as any two players you can choose from.

[Old School Hound]

Be interesting to see how hard core Bengals fans to a Burrow trade 1 for 2.

[Cactus Jack]

I have less faith in the Jets beating the Dolphins than the other 2. Of course the Chiefs not playing anyone against the Broncos hurt as well but I could see the Chiefs JV winning before the Jets varsity team winning.

I totally agree with this. Aaron Rodgers has seemingly aged out right before our eyes this year. I’d be surprised if they even score a touchdown next week. KC’s backups over Denver wouldn’t surprise me, neither would the hot Bengals winning on the road against the sliding Steelers. But the Jets over Miami—-just don’t see it.

KC wont beat Denver on purpose, they dont want Cincy in playoffs.

Season is over.

Silly logic(not surprised).  Chiefs may lose but it will have NOTHING to do with them tanking to keep the 8-8 Bengals out.  The Bengals would go to Buffalo, NOT KC, and no team tanks worrying about a 8-8 that they might face three games into the playoffs. Take a course in logical reasoning.

On Week 18 games, the NFL is a business and it's full of professionals. There are going to be lots of players out there who wouldn't see playing time otherwise. For many of them, this is their chance to get film out for that could be the difference in them ever playing in the NFL again. Don't discount that, or the coaches & administration who are in the same boat.


To get in, Cincinnati needs three things to happen (win, Miami loss, and Denver loss). You'd think that the biggest obstacle is the Jets beating the Dolphins, but the early lines tell a different story. Bengals are favored against the Steelers (-1.5), but the Dolphins are actually only a slight favorite over the Jets (-1) while the Broncos are a huge favorite against the Chiefs (-9.5).


I don't think Kansas City really cares about actually playing Cincinnati. If they played them, it'd mean that the Bengals went to Buffalo and knocked off the Bills. That's the only way the two teams meet. The Chiefs biggest worries are Buffalo and Baltimore, more specifically that the two stay in each other's bracket (or are eliminated by someone else).

The ideal scenario for KC is probably Baltimore over Cleveland, which locks them in at #3 and in a Conference Semi with Buffalo if both advance. Not sure whether they'd like to see Pittsburgh or Los Angeles as the #5 or #6, but this probably depends on how they feel each would fare against Baltimore and Houston in Round 1 and only then how they'd fare against them head-to-head.

KC's nightmare scenario is Cleveland beating Baltimore, Pittsburgh beating Cincinnati, and Miami beating the Jets. This could easily leave #7 Miami going to Buffalo, #5 Baltimore stomping the Texans again before visiting KC in Round 2, and Buffalo as a big home favorite over #3 Pittsburgh.


With both AFC North games being played Saturday and the Dolphins/Jets kicking off at the same time as them the following day, I don't know that there's really much that Kansas City really controls past whether or not the Broncos may get in, but letting Denver beat them is also the only sure-fire way to ensure that Buffalo doesn't get Miami in the first round.

[Cactus Jack]

Be interesting to see how hard core Bengals fans to a Burrow trade 1 for 2.

Burrow (signed through 2029 at ~$55 per)
& Cincy's terrible PRWR, PBWR, RSWR, and RBWRs compared to league averages

[I}If we're doing any two for one for Burrow, you could go within the parameters of having to get two players from the same team and come up with:[/I]

1.
Patrick Mahomes (signed through 2031 at ~$45 per)
Jawaan Taylor (signed through 2026 at $20 per).... but any good lineman from KC works

2.
Josh Allen (signed through 2029 at ~$48 per, low cap hit on the back end)
Ed Oliver (signed through 2027 at ~$17 per)... Dion Dawkins ('27, $20 per) or others work too

3.
Any two of the following Texans
- CJ Stroud (signed through 2028 at ~$9 per now, on rookie scale)
- Will Anderson (signed through 2028 at ~$8.8 per now, on rookie scale)
- Derek Stingley (signed through 2027 at ~$8.6 per now, on rookie scale)
*could add Danielle Hunter in if he renegotiated

4.
Lamar Jackson (signed through 2028 at ~$52 per)
Roquan Smith (signed through 2028 at ~$28 per)


If I'm a GM and operating in a vacuum, then any team with an "as good" or better quarterback with a similar contract and the extra player is gravy. Mahomes and Allen are no brainers there. I could see an argument that Lamar is older and riskier though.

If I want to look toward the future, the Texans look good (even if I want to go with two defensive studs and try to land a QB in the draft or hit a home-run in free agency); that might seem crazy, but Darnold and Goff are leading two of the top teams and on their second city.

If I'm sold on Jayden Daniels, then maybe finding another of the Commanders that I'm in love with, but I think that one's more of a stretch than others seem to.

[jetpilot]

Be interesting to see how hard core Bengals fans to a Burrow trade 1 for 2.

Burrow (signed through 2029 at ~$55 per)
& Cincy's terrible PRWR, PBWR, RSWR, and RBWRs compared to league averages

[I}If we're doing any two for one for Burrow, you could go within the parameters of having to get two players from the same team and come up with:[/I]

1.
Patrick Mahomes (signed through 2031 at ~$45 per)
Jawaan Taylor (signed through 2026 at $20 per).... but any good lineman from KC works

2.
Josh Allen (signed through 2029 at ~$48 per, low cap hit on the back end)
Ed Oliver (signed through 2027 at ~$17 per)... Dion Dawkins ('27, $20 per) or others work too

3.
Any two of the following Texans
- CJ Stroud (signed through 2028 at ~$9 per now,  on rookie scale)
- Will Anderson (signed through 2028 at ~$8.8 per now, on rookie scale)
- Derek Stingley (signed through 2027 at ~$8.6 per now, on rookie scale)
*could add Danielle Hunter in if he renegotiated

4.
Lamar Jackson (signed through 2028 at ~$52 per)
Roquan Smith (signed through 2028 at ~$28 per)


If I'm a GM and operating in a vacuum, then any team with an "as good" or better quarterback with a similar contract and the extra player is gravy. Mahomes and Allen are no brainers there. I could see an argument that Lamar is older and riskier though.

If I want to look toward the future, the Texans look good (even if I want to go with two defensive studs and try to land a QB in the draft or hit a home-run in free agency); that might seem crazy, but Darnold and Goff are leading two of the top teams and on their second city.

If I'm sold on Jayden Daniels, then maybe finding another of the Commanders that I'm in love with, but I think that one's more of a stretch than others seem to.

Solid list but he said "any two players" not any 2 from the same team. I know technically teams trade but that's not what he said.

[Cactus Jack]

Solid list but he said "any two players" not any 2 from the same team. I know technically teams trade but that's not what he said.

Agree. I was just trying to be fair.

Any two players in the league? Give me Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen-- what do you think Jerry Jones would give up in capital (players & draft picks) to get whichever of those you didn't want, and you get one of the top two team's QBs out of your conference to boot?

I mean, history says Cincinnati would still find a way to mismanage and squander something like that, but it'd still be fun to see how it'd all go down. My best guess is that they'd still fail to invest in an offensive line, before QB1, who unironically happens to be the whichever has the most guaranteed money and biggest cap hit, gets put out for the season by Week 4. By Week 6, news breaks that he'll be able to come back next year, doctors fear he'll never play at a high level again. You have to give it to until at least Week 10 or 11 before there's a rift between the organization and the remaining QB's favorite weapon that management refuses to commit to.

[Van Hagar]

If you assumed same team, I might go with Justin Herbert and Joey Bosa from the Chargers. I don’t consider Herbert nearly as good as Burrow, but still very talented. And if you paired Bosa with the great Trey Hendrickson, you’d have a chance for an unreal pass rush.

[Old School Hound]

Btw, since I mentioned trade, I was implying that the two players would have to come from the same team. Sorry, if I wasn't clear about that. Hebert/Bosa is interesting. Bosa, along with Trey would be exciting, but they'd still miss Burrow, as Justin is no Joe. I honestly doubt if there is a 2 for 1 trade the Bengals would make for Joe . And if they did make the trade, fans would riot on Paycor. If we are going to hypothetically trade Joe, I think we better start looking at 3 for 1 deals.

Would Mahomes/Chris Jones/Justin Reid get anyone wet in thee groin area?

[jetpilot]

Solid list but he said "any two players" not any 2 from the same team. I know technically teams trade but that's not what he said.

Agree. I was just trying to be fair.

Any two players in the league? Give me Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen-- what do you think Jerry Jones would give up in capital (players & draft picks) to get whichever of those you didn't want, and you get one of the top two team's QBs out of your conference to boot?

I mean, history says Cincinnati would still find a way to mismanage and squander something like that, but it'd still be fun to see how it'd all go down. My best guess is that they'd still fail to invest in an offensive line, before QB1, who unironically happens to be the whichever has the most guaranteed money and biggest cap hit, gets put out for the season by Week 4. By Week 6, news breaks that he'll be able to come back next year, doctors fear he'll never play at a high level again. You have to give it to until at least Week 10 or 11 before there's a rift between the organization and the remaining QB's favorite weapon that management refuses to commit to.

Just be glad you're not a Browns fan.

[Old School Hound]

KC wont beat Denver on purpose, they dont want Cincy in playoffs.

Season is over.

Probably Deep State.

[Bluecat]

Well make that 5 in a row now. Big day tomorrow with a lot of luck needed. Either way though so many things have to be done in the offseason. For one, they gotta get Higgins back.

[Old School Hound]

Well make that 5 in a row now. Big day tomorrow with a lot of luck needed. Either way though so many things have to be done in the offseason. For one, they gotta get Higgins back.

Higgins can't stay on the gd field. Did you see him in there when things got tight and they needed him? Talented guy but he's a glass tiger. He falls, he breaks.

[Van Hagar]

Hopefully Aaron Rodgers can turn back the clock for one more Sunday and lead the Jets to the win, Tua is apparently going to be out again for Miami. That one I think is very possible. Just not sure how the Chiefs without Mahomes, Chris Jones and others are gonna pull it off. Denver should have beaten them the first time they played and Sean Payton is a good head coach, he’ll have a solid game plan. I’m afraid that’s the game that will keep Cincy out. It’s a shame, because the Bengals are better right now than Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver or Miami, who will all (but one) be in the playoffs. But like Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are, and the Bengals are 9-8. A missed opportunity this season for sure. And Joe just turned 28. Not old, but the clock is starting to tick.

[Old School Hound]

Hopefully Aaron Rodgers can turn back the clock for one more Sunday and lead the Jets to the win, Tua is apparently going to be out again for Miami. That one I think is very possible.  Just not sure how the Chiefs without Mahomes, Chris Jones and others are gonna pull it off. Denver should have beaten them the first time they played and Sean Payton is a good head coach, he’ll have a solid game plan. I’m afraid that’s the game that will keep Cincy out. It’s a shame, because the Bengals are better right now than Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver or Miami, who will all (but one) be in the playoffs. But like Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are, and the Bengals are 9-8. A missed opportunity this season for sure. And Joe just turned 28. Not old, but the clock is starting to tick.

Sauce Gardner has been ruled out for the Jets(Hamstring). That doesn't help us any.
Maybe ol' anti-vax ARod can do something again for one game.

I wish the Chiefs had something meaningful to play for. I think Denver is favored by about 10.5 .

[jetpilot]

Hopefully Aaron Rodgers can turn back the clock for one more Sunday and lead the Jets to the win, Tua is apparently going to be out again for Miami. That one I think is very possible.  Just not sure how the Chiefs without Mahomes, Chris Jones and others are gonna pull it off. Denver should have beaten them the first time they played and Sean Payton is a good head coach, he’ll have a solid game plan. I’m afraid that’s the game that will keep Cincy out. It’s a shame, because the Bengals are better right now than Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver or Miami, who will all (but one) be in the playoffs. But like Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are, and the Bengals are 9-8. A missed opportunity this season for sure. And Joe just turned 28. Not old, but the clock is starting to tick.

Sauce Gardner has been ruled out for the Jets(Hamstring). That doesn't help us any.
Maybe ol' anti-vax ARod can do something again for one game.

I wish the Chiefs had something meaningful to play for. I think Denver is favored by about 10.5 .

He didn't want to be known as one of those fools that got the jab 9 times and came down with Covid 8 times.

[Bluecat]

The dang Chiefs and Mahomes have done it to us again. Heck of a run to end the season though.

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Well make that 5 in a row now. Big day tomorrow with a lot of luck needed. Either way though so many things have to be done in the offseason. For one, they gotta get Higgins back.

Higgins can't stay on the gd field. Did you see him in there when things got tight and they needed him? Talented guy but  he's a glass tiger. He falls, he breaks.

I did, but I also saw our offense flutter afterwards as well because they focused more on Chase. If they can find another receiver to take the defensive pressure off of Chase then fine.

[Cactus Jack]

Hopefully Aaron Rodgers can turn back the clock for one more Sunday and lead the Jets to the win, Tua is apparently going to be out again for Miami. That one I think is very possible.  Just not sure how the Chiefs without Mahomes, Chris Jones and others are gonna pull it off. Denver should have beaten them the first time they played and Sean Payton is a good head coach, he’ll have a solid game plan. I’m afraid that’s the game that will keep Cincy out. It’s a shame, because the Bengals are better right now than Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver or Miami, who will all (but one) be in the playoffs. But like Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are, and the Bengals are 9-8. A missed opportunity this season for sure. And Joe just turned 28. Not old, but the clock is starting to tick.

Sauce Gardner has been ruled out for the Jets(Hamstring). That doesn't help us any.
Maybe ol' anti-vax ARod can do something again for one game.

I wish the Chiefs had something meaningful to play for. I think Denver is favored by about 10.5 .

No way that the Chiefs wanted to risk Miami going to Buffalo in Round 1. Terrible how this worked out for the Bengals, but they had chances to win games that would have ultimately put them in without needing anyone else's help.

Not surprised by the current Jets result. Seems like a dumpster fire and the players may win to spite their owner and upper management.

Surprised Houston beat Tennessee-- if they'd have let the Titans win it might have been enough to keep them from getting the #1 pick.

[Bluecat]

Hopefully Aaron Rodgers can turn back the clock for one more Sunday and lead the Jets to the win, Tua is apparently going to be out again for Miami. That one I think is very possible.  Just not sure how the Chiefs without Mahomes, Chris Jones and others are gonna pull it off. Denver should have beaten them the first time they played and Sean Payton is a good head coach, he’ll have a solid game plan. I’m afraid that’s the game that will keep Cincy out. It’s a shame, because the Bengals are better right now than Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver or Miami, who will all (but one) be in the playoffs. But like Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are, and the Bengals are 9-8. A missed opportunity this season for sure. And Joe just turned 28. Not old, but the clock is starting to tick.

Sauce Gardner has been ruled out for the Jets(Hamstring). That doesn't help us any.
Maybe ol' anti-vax ARod can do something again for one game.

I wish the Chiefs had something meaningful to play for. I think Denver is favored by about 10.5 .

No way that the Chiefs wanted to risk Miami going to Buffalo in Round 1. Terrible how this worked out for the Bengals, but they had chances to win games that would have ultimately put them in without needing anyone else's help.

Not surprised by the current Jets result. Seems like a dumpster fire and the players may win to spite their owner and upper management.

Surprised Houston beat Tennessee-- if they'd have let the Titans win it might have been enough to keep them from getting the #1 pick.

Absolutely, we were our own worst enemies in this. Just a play or two away in other games and we could have rested players today. I am very curious to see what they do this offseason.

[Old School Hound]

Clock is ticking on Joe B and Chase. Can't waste too many more years. The tandem of Burrow and Chase would win for or five SB titles with a competent organization.

[Cactus Jack]

Clock is ticking on Joe B and Chase. Can't waste too many more years. The tandem of Burrow and Chase would win for or five SB titles with a competent organization.

The Burrow-Chase window isn't getting any bigger and you'd feel better about their chances to win a Super Bowl if it were a more competent organization. Front office needs to find a way to keep what they already have and really shore up both sides of the line of scrimmage.

Four to five Super Bowls might be a stretch though (Burrow was playing for an NCAA title in January 2020) and being in a division with the Ravens and Steelers does them no favors.