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Raceland vs. Sayre 12/6 (1A State Championship)
Here’s why I defer. Say you get a three and out or even if they pick up a first down…you get them to punt and you have a short field. If you pick up a first down or two yourself and have to punt it keeps them deep in their territory and keeps us in good filed position. Look at Fridays game. We kicked off and they fumbled the first snap of the game. Three and out and we had the ball at midfield. Took it down and scored. Defer
(12-03-2024, 11:08 PM)bac2369 Wrote:
(12-03-2024, 10:10 PM)RAMDAD50 Wrote:
(12-03-2024, 10:03 PM)bac2369 Wrote: The question I ask in this matchup is, how many is Raceland gonna bringing  every play? It seems like they bring 4-6 players depending on the down. Maybe a 3 man rush but n 3rd and forever.

Another question is if Raceland wins the toss are they gonna choose to defer or take the rock.
Defer…you always wanna go with what you’re best at and that’s defense

Would you say Raceland is better defensively than they are at running the ball?
At times this season our offense has been our best defense.  The LCA game was a perfect example.  We kept their offense on the sideline for most of that game and their scores came from explosive big plays.  

I look for much of the same in this game.  Raceland had nearly 250 yards rushing in that game and over 100 yards passing.  I highly doubt Sayre is as good on defense as LCA was.  Raceland is a very patient team and doesn’t do anything flashy.  Sayre can score points but the question is will they be on the field enough to get those points because the Raceland offense is very good at chewing up the clock and shortening the game.
(12-03-2024, 10:43 PM)ArmChairHC Wrote: Finally….back to talking actual football. And that to me is a very good topic of conversation. The toss.

I’m on the fence with it. I’d like to say defer. Our defense hasn’t given up many points and have rarely seen a 1A school cross into plus territory. So getting that initial stop has set the tone. That being said, I expect Sayre to come in fired up with something to prove, so I would also heavily consider taking the ball and methodically marching down the field and eat up the clock. But that possession has to come away with points.

I feel like the defer is a bigger thing though. Takes the pressure off of a young QB, puts the pressure on Sayre to do something early. If it’s me, I kick to them, then bracket Coffman and play man elsewhere. I’m not sure Coffman has played against a corner as physical as McKee.

Imo, Another big match up that favors the Rams is Sammons or Headley against Sayre’s LT. Not sure he has seen that type of quickness off the edge. Raceland hasn’t needed to bring a lot of outside pressure because those two have done so good doing it themselves. I’m just ready for Friday to get here!!!
For me on Raceland I think they need to take the ball and score first that way ALL the pressure is on Sayre.
I absolutely agree if you take the ball you have to come away with something. You can not come up empty handed. But if you come up empty handed inside the 20 I can live with that. Field position game is where I’ve seen Raceland just wear teams down and keep them teams deep in their own territory.

Sammons very well could be a problem for Sayre. I look for some extra help from a tight end or a back on him in this one. Im curious how the center of the line holds up with the blitzes up the middle.

I’m also hoping in this game that Sammons doesn’t get off charter of what they’ve been doing all year to change it up in title game like I’ve saw in the past two seasons.

Believe I’m gonna go back and watch the Campbellsville game and check a few things out. Another name for a Sayre to keep an eye on is John Luke Minner. Really good size at defensive end.v
(12-03-2024, 11:08 PM)RAMDAD50 Wrote: Here’s why I defer. Say you get a three and out or even if they pick up a first down…you get them to punt and you have a short field. If you pick up a first down or two yourself and have to punt it keeps them deep in their territory and keeps us in good filed position. Look at Fridays game. We kicked off and they fumbled the first snap of the game. Three and out and we had the ball at midfield. Took it down and scored. Defer

Do you kick deep? Short or pooch kick? Or just kick it out of bounds and make them start at the 35?
(12-03-2024, 11:27 PM)bac2369 Wrote:
(12-03-2024, 11:08 PM)RAMDAD50 Wrote: Here’s why I defer. Say you get a three and out or even if they pick up a first down…you get them to punt and you have a short field. If you pick up a first down or two yourself and have to punt it keeps them deep in their territory and keeps us in good filed position. Look at Fridays game. We kicked off and they fumbled the first snap of the game. Three and out and we had the ball at midfield. Took it down and scored. Defer

Do you kick deep? Short or pooch kick? Or just kick it out of bounds and make them start at the 35?
I always kick it deep until they make me change my mind. I hate giving a team a short field
Only time you kick it short is either A an onside kick or B the best your kicker can do is about the opponent 25/30 yard line. Then you kick it short to the sideline and get it out of bounds. But most quality HS teams now have a kicker that can atleast put the ball at or inside the 10. Speaking of which, how is Sayres special teams?
1A is so hilarious! Back in October the only teams getting hyped was Pikeville and Raceland.
Talking like the only teams in the world that could make it to Kroger is Race and Pike.
Now that the tables have turned. Lmao
Guess the same can be said for 4A since Boyle is out
(12-04-2024, 09:57 AM)Senters_93 Wrote: 1A is so hilarious! Back in October the only teams getting hyped was Pikeville and Raceland.
Talking like the only teams in the world that could make it to Kroger is Race and Pike.
Now that the tables have turned. Lmao

The reason those were the only teams getting hyped is because they are the only teams that actually play anyone all year. KCD was the #1 seed and couldn't score a single point on Raceland. They ran a JFL style offense with the single wing. It was horrific. But when Raceland played them all you heard was how they were 10-2 blah blah. No one in Class A plays ANYONE other than Raceland and Pikeville. You got these teams going 7-3 and 8-2 and it's only because of their weak schedule, not because they are actually great.
You got D1 guys on Sayre and they are out here beating up on teams like Dayton, Berea and Holy Cross. And those games aren't district games. They scheduled those. Of course their stats look good. If Raceland played that schedule they would be undefeated too and have multiple guys with padded stats. Pikeville had Corbin, Johnson Central and Ironton on their schedule! These Sayre people act like they won the Super Bowl because they beat up on a wounded Pikeville team. Well guess what? Raceland beat Pikeville at their place last year and guess what---Pikeville was hurt. When Pikeville was full strength they wore us out in the state championship game. Let's see Sayre schedule Pikeville in regular season next year. I bet they won't.
When Sayre starts playing teams like Ashland, LCA, Highlands then I'm sure they will get some hype too. Raceland is 100% fully healthy for Friday. Sayre isn't playing a wounded animal this week. Let's see how it goes.
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(12-04-2024, 11:52 AM)WestCoast Wrote:
(12-04-2024, 09:57 AM)Senters_93 Wrote: 1A is so hilarious! Back in October the only teams getting hyped was Pikeville and Raceland.
Talking like the only teams in the world that could make it to Kroger is Race and Pike.
Now that the tables have turned. Lmao

The reason those were the only teams getting hyped is because they are the only teams that actually play anyone all year. KCD was the #1 seed and couldn't score a single point on Raceland. They ran a JFL style offense with the single wing. It was horrific. But when Raceland played them all you heard was how they were 10-2 blah blah. No one in Class A plays ANYONE other than Raceland and Pikeville. You got these teams going 7-3 and 8-2 and it's only because of their weak schedule, not because they are actually great.
You got D1 guys on Sayre and they are out here beating up on teams like Dayton, Berea and Holy Cross. And those games aren't district games. They scheduled those. Of course their stats look good. If Raceland played that schedule they would be undefeated too and have multiple guys with padded stats. Pikeville had Corbin, Johnson Central and Ironton on their schedule! These Sayre people act like they won the Super Bowl because they beat up on a wounded Pikeville team. Well guess what? Raceland beat Pikeville at their place last year and guess what---Pikeville was hurt. When Pikeville was full strength they wore us out in the state championship game. Let's see Sayre schedule Pikeville in regular season next year. I bet they won't.
When Sayre starts playing teams like Ashland, LCA, Highlands then I'm sure they will get some hype too. Raceland is 100% fully healthy for Friday. Sayre isn't playing a wounded animal this week. Let's see how it goes.

Those aren’t the only two schools that play a tough in Class 1A. Hazard also plays a tough schedule. Paintsville use to whe Chirco was there. Newport Central Catholic does too, except that past few seasons.

I agree I wanna see challenge themselves. But question is…. Does teams want to play them?
(12-04-2024, 12:11 PM)bac2369 Wrote:
(12-04-2024, 11:52 AM)WestCoast Wrote:
(12-04-2024, 09:57 AM)Senters_93 Wrote: 1A is so hilarious! Back in October the only teams getting hyped was Pikeville and Raceland.
Talking like the only teams in the world that could make it to Kroger is Race and Pike.
Now that the tables have turned. Lmao

The reason those were the only teams getting hyped is because they are the only teams that actually play anyone all year. KCD was the #1 seed and couldn't score a single point on Raceland. They ran a JFL style offense with the single wing. It was horrific. But when Raceland played them all you heard was how they were 10-2 blah blah. No one in Class A plays ANYONE other than Raceland and Pikeville. You got these teams going 7-3 and 8-2 and it's only because of their weak schedule, not because they are actually great.
You got D1 guys on Sayre and they are out here beating up on teams like Dayton, Berea and Holy Cross. And those games aren't district games. They scheduled those. Of course their stats look good. If Raceland played that schedule they would be undefeated too and have multiple guys with padded stats. Pikeville had Corbin, Johnson Central and Ironton on their schedule! These Sayre people act like they won the Super Bowl because they beat up on a wounded Pikeville team. Well guess what? Raceland beat Pikeville at their place last year and guess what---Pikeville was hurt. When Pikeville was full strength they wore us out in the state championship game. Let's see Sayre schedule Pikeville in regular season next year. I bet they won't.
When Sayre starts playing teams like Ashland, LCA, Highlands then I'm sure they will get some hype too. Raceland is 100% fully healthy for Friday. Sayre isn't playing a wounded animal this week. Let's see how it goes.

Those aren’t the only two schools that play a tough in Class 1A. Hazard also plays a tough schedule. Paintsville use to whe Chirco was there. Newport Central Catholic does too, except that past few seasons.

I agree I wanna see challenge themselves. But question is…. Does teams want to play them?

I agree with Paintsville when Chirco was there, and NCC used to as well. But the poster was asking why this year only Pikeville and Raceland got hype. No one in Class A even remotely played a schedule like those two teams. And I firmly believe if Pikeville hadn't had all the injuries they had this year they would have been right back in the thick of things.
I think teams would definitely want to play them. The RPI factor does come into play, but I'm certain they could easily get some decent 2A and 3A schools to play them instead of beating up on some of the teams they scheduled. Even scheduling some respectable Class A teams would go a long way into gaining some respectability when it comes to pre-season hype.
I would also argue that Raceland and Pikeville earned their hype earlier in the season. Since 2021 one or both of these teams have made it to state finals. The other teams had to prove that they deserved to be in the conversation. Sayre earned their spot at the table when they beat Pikeville. Unfortunately for teams like Cville and KCD they are still going to be labeled as pretenders until they are able to knock off one of the higher level teams in Class A.
Pikeville and Raceland earned their position to be talked about all year. Same as Boyle. Sayre wasn’t deemed serious until they beat Pikeville. If you didn’t think the championship was gonna be Pikeville vs Raceland, your opinion wasn’t taken seriously (for good reason). Sometimes the giants are meant to fall. I think the common top dogs in RPI (Cville, KCD, Sayre) would lose almost every game if they played a Pikeville or Raceland type of schedule.
(12-04-2024, 12:25 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
(12-04-2024, 12:11 PM)bac2369 Wrote:
(12-04-2024, 11:52 AM)WestCoast Wrote:
(12-04-2024, 09:57 AM)Senters_93 Wrote: 1A is so hilarious! Back in October the only teams getting hyped was Pikeville and Raceland.
Talking like the only teams in the world that could make it to Kroger is Race and Pike.
Now that the tables have turned. Lmao

The reason those were the only teams getting hyped is because they are the only teams that actually play anyone all year. KCD was the #1 seed and couldn't score a single point on Raceland. They ran a JFL style offense with the single wing. It was horrific. But when Raceland played them all you heard was how they were 10-2 blah blah. No one in Class A plays ANYONE other than Raceland and Pikeville. You got these teams going 7-3 and 8-2 and it's only because of their weak schedule, not because they are actually great.
You got D1 guys on Sayre and they are out here beating up on teams like Dayton, Berea and Holy Cross. And those games aren't district games. They scheduled those. Of course their stats look good. If Raceland played that schedule they would be undefeated too and have multiple guys with padded stats. Pikeville had Corbin, Johnson Central and Ironton on their schedule! These Sayre people act like they won the Super Bowl because they beat up on a wounded Pikeville team. Well guess what? Raceland beat Pikeville at their place last year and guess what---Pikeville was hurt. When Pikeville was full strength they wore us out in the state championship game. Let's see Sayre schedule Pikeville in regular season next year. I bet they won't.
When Sayre starts playing teams like Ashland, LCA, Highlands then I'm sure they will get some hype too. Raceland is 100% fully healthy for Friday. Sayre isn't playing a wounded animal this week. Let's see how it goes.

Those aren’t the only two schools that play a tough in Class 1A. Hazard also plays a tough schedule. Paintsville use to whe Chirco was there. Newport Central Catholic does too, except that past few seasons.

I agree I wanna see challenge themselves. But question is…. Does teams want to play them?

I agree with Paintsville when Chirco was there, and NCC used to as well. But the poster was asking why this year only Pikeville and Raceland got hype. No one in Class A even remotely played a schedule like those two teams. And I firmly believe if Pikeville hadn't had all the injuries they had this year they would have been right back in the thick of things.
I think teams would definitely want to play them. The RPI factor does come into play, but I'm certain they could easily get some decent 2A and 3A schools to play them instead of beating up on some of the teams they scheduled. Even scheduling some respectable Class A teams would go a long way into gaining some respectability when it comes to pre-season hype.

They got the hype because they played each other for the title in back to back seasons and they have tradition. Campbellsville had hype all season until that loss to KCD. After that they fell apart.

Hazard schedule is just as solid as Racelands.
Pikevilles had the same other schedule for some time in class 1A. I believe the past two years Racelands is 2nd and Hazards has been 3rd. But in 2022 I believe Hazard had the second toughest schedule in Class 1A and Raceland was third.

Hazard this season played, Martin Co, Breathitt Co, Pikeville, Raceland. Paris, Letcher Co Central and Corbin. That’s a tough stretch of teams.

Common teams that Hazard and Raceland both played Hazard went 2-2 against counting the head to head. Raceland went 3-1. If u count playoffs then Hazard was 2-3 and Raceland 4-1 ( 2 wins against Hazard).

Hazard and Pikeville have two common opponents and that’s Paintsville and Corbin
Both went 1-1 against those teams.
Raceland and Pikeville have 1 common opponent LCA. Both were 0-1.
(12-04-2024, 03:53 PM)CitySlicker Wrote: Pikeville and Raceland earned their position to be talked about all year. Same as Boyle. Sayre wasn’t deemed serious until they beat Pikeville. If you didn’t think the championship was gonna be Pikeville vs Raceland, your opinion wasn’t taken seriously (for good reason). Sometimes the giants are meant to fall. I think the common top dogs in RPI (Cville, KCD, Sayre) would lose almost every game if they played a Pikeville or Raceland type of schedule.
I would like to add this to your comment.  You said earlier in the season you wouldn’t be taken seriously if you said anyone but Raceland and Pikeville would be in the finals.  Back in October you really wouldn’t have been taken seriously if you said Raceland would be the one to make to the finals instead of Pikeville.  Sayre proved a lot of naysayers (myself included) wrong this season and I am expecting this to be a very good championship game.
If it were me I would pay no interest on what Seners 93 has to say he is a Lawrence County poster and all he knows is first round or maybe 2 nd round playoff football then they are out of it and definitely don’t play a tuff schedule
Hats off to and a big thank you to Raceland Christian Church for hosting the community dinner this evening. Awesome send off meal for the boys and coaches leaving tomorrow! It’s nights like tonight that really make me take stock of what we have in our community. Football is very important and it’s such a huge family. I am very proud that myself and family are apart of it!
Hell after reading KSR’s prediction the Rams may as well stay home Friday.
(12-03-2024, 10:10 PM)RAMDAD50 Wrote:
(12-03-2024, 10:03 PM)bac2369 Wrote: The question I ask in this matchup is, how many is Raceland gonna bringing  every play? It seems like they bring 4-6 players depending on the down. Maybe a 3 man rush but n 3rd and forever.

Another question is if Raceland wins the toss are they gonna choose to defer or take the rock.
Defer…you always wanna go with what you’re best at and that’s defense
 
Plus, if tied or up at half you're ahead of the curve. If down, you have some optimism going & coming out of the locker room. Other way around can feel like a much bigger than mountain than the reality of it.
Going to be a great matchup. The rams are an experienced team and well coached. Been to Kroger a bunch now. proving themselves to be a top team in 1A. The question is can the rams defense stop the dominant Pennington offense. They are very well coached and have weapons everywhere.
It about to be 24 hours until game time!!!! Let’s Go!!!
I think this game will be a trench warfare but it will comedown to who wants it more and I think that the Spartans want it way more than the rams do
(12-05-2024, 12:52 PM)bac2369 Wrote: It about to be 24 hours until game time!!!! Let’s Go!!!
You’re gonna be wearing Raceland gear tomorrow aren’t ya Bac ? Haha
(12-05-2024, 01:25 PM)RAMDAD50 Wrote:
(12-05-2024, 12:52 PM)bac2369 Wrote: It about to be 24 hours until game time!!!! Let’s Go!!!
You’re gonna be wearing Raceland gear tomorrow aren’t ya Bac ? Haha
Don’t have any Raceland gear but I have a orange tee shirt I will wear while I watch from my couch now don’t tell jet pilot
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(12-05-2024, 01:25 PM)RAMDAD50 Wrote:
(12-05-2024, 12:52 PM)bac2369 Wrote: It about to be 24 hours until game time!!!! Let’s Go!!!
You’re gonna be wearing Raceland gear tomorrow aren’t ya Bac ? Haha

I don’t know what I’ll be wearing while watching at the house, but I’m sure I’ll be good warm and comfortable. So I guess I shall be wearing my ball shorts.

No one at this moment deserves a title as much as Raceland does being so close. So they better come out and TAKE IT!! Sayre is gonna be ready!!!

After this one, I shall see raceland fans next year in Hazard.
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(12-05-2024, 01:14 PM)zangazang Wrote: I think this game will be a trench warfare but it will comedown to who wants it more and I think that the Spartans want it way more than the rams do
That’s a bold statement.  Don’t get me wrong I’m sure the Spartans really want this but this is something that as a community Raceland has been chasing longer than many of the posters in this board have been alive.
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I am rooting for Raceland... Hope Sayre lays an egg...
Things kinda got quiet… must be meditating or jet is sneaking around taking the raceland fans out 1 at a time. LoL
(12-05-2024, 09:24 PM)bac2369 Wrote: Things kinda got quiet… must be meditating or jet is sneaking around taking the raceland fans out 1 at a time. LoL
Jet is secretly a Raceland fan. I’ve seen videos  of him running around his living room in Raceland underwear. Right across the back written in orange it says…..Ram Land Smile
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