[Pulp Fiction]

Not having Cory Hammond, JC's regular kicker, really hurt tonight..... Ashland didn't have a long field all night.

JC's kickoff coverage wasn't super-duper either. There have been several kickoff's this year that JC has recovered a muffed kick, but the ball wasn't bouncing JC's way and that set-up some big Ashland returns and even shorter fields. The winning TD was set up on what was probably Ashland's longest return of the night.

Ashland's WR on the winning TD was W I D E O P E N......

Corbin has a better overall passing game, but Ashland showed better downfield passing than Corbin did.... In my opinion.



JC had a great offensive gameplan.... no turnovers, no passes & only one punt.
In the end, a few busted pass coverages and a few lapses on special teams was the difference.
The best part is, we don't have to go back to Putnam until 2026.

[Mr. D]

As a JC fan this is the same story as all year. You have a championship level offense and a first round exit defense. At some point changes are going to have to be made on that side of the ball. They don’t have a ton of speed but the biggest issue is just constant busted coverages and missed tackles. That is the hallmark of a poorly coached defense.

I was wondering, did JC have players that play on offense that could play both ways? To help on the defense?

Two of their top 3 running backs play both ways as defensive backs. It looked to me that they put McCoart in at safety (he usually doesn’t play both ways) and he had the busted coverage leading to the open receiver scoring the game winning touchdown.

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Awesome job out of the Tomcats. This team fought to the end and pulled out the victory. What an instant classic in this rivalry. LaBryant Strader was a man possessed and in my opinion proved that he is the best Tomcat QB ever in its long historic tradition.

On a serious note how in the world could a tradition rich program like Johnson Central be that bad defensively? There’s no way the defensive coordinator, secondary coach and special teams coordinator should coach another game. They are an embarrassment to the game of football.

The defense has went way down hill the last two years. In the past we’ve gotten beat many times by teams with just better athletes across the board and that is what it is. But to have busted coverages and poor tackling all year is frustrating. 

What I don’t understand is that Coach Peck was the defensive coordinator and we had solid defenses year in and year out. So it’s weird that we’ve had this drop off now that he is the HC. I don’t know if he needs to take a more hands on approach or what but something needs to change.

[T-CATS]

Just watched the game and it was an instant classic. The Tomcats played hard had a great game plan to slow down JC you aren’t going to shut down that freight train rushing attack for an entire game. Ashland showed they won’t be an easy out come the playoffs. McCourt only 63 yards Tomcats shut him down. Music had 185 and did the damage. JC’s defense doesn’t know how to defend the forward pass whatsoever but they practice against their offense that doesn’t ever throw the ball so that might have something to do with pathetic pass coverage. Bobby Seger maybe go to practice and teach them how to cover a WR or at least explain to them what one is!

[Upnorth]

What surprised me was Ashland was able to make solo tackles on McCourt. They shut him down completely. But it did open up Music and Morrow.
The Jennings kid for Ashland might have been the best player on the field. Really an underrated athlete. His stats don’t show just how good he is. Ashland really spreads the ball around.
It’s hard to cover the pass when you blitz your linebackers every play.

[pjdoug]

Way to go Tomcats!

[Belichick]

JC has an offense that is physical and difficult to stop. Their defense is terrible. Their LBs crash almost every play. I’ve said all year how bad the pass defense is and would be the reason they lose in the playoffs. It just happened sooner than later against Ashland and Corbin.

[i82much]

I’m out of town so I watched the game last night on MyTown. Fun game to watch and I wish I could’ve been there. Nothing is settled for second place in 4A. I think going forward Ashland is the more complete team but their Achilles Heel is their size up front. Central has an amazing power run attack with some issues on defense which I’m not going to attempt to analyze from one video. I’ll leave that to the professionals on the coaching staff. I’m an eastern Kentucky football fan so I hope if not Ashland, then Johnson Central at Kroger.

[Central Kid]

Excellent game! Ashland “D” stopped JC one time. JC “D”stopped Ashland twice technically. The first series roughing the kicker penalty changed the game giving Ashland the ball back and allowing the score. Not sure how you miss the block on the punt but it happens.

[Old School Hound]

Ashland has jumped Corbin in RPI. So, barring some upsets, it looks like the following in Round 3 :

Cov. Cath @ Boyle Co

Corbin @ Ashland

[Bull got out!]

Ashland has jumped Corbin in RPI. So, barring some upsets, it looks like the following in Round  3 :

Cov. Cath @ Boyle Co

Corbin @ Ashland

Corbin has another game and can still gain ground. Pulaski should help Corbin if they win the game.

[Old School Hound]

Ashland has jumped Corbin in RPI. So, barring some upsets, it looks like the following in Round  3 :

Cov. Cath @ Boyle Co

Corbin @ Ashland

Corbin has another game and can still gain ground. Pulaski should help Corbin if they win the game.

Ashland should beat a 6A team (SK) next week.

[Bull got out!]

Nov 1, '24 Pulaski County 5A 8 6 - 3 .56267

Simon Kenton 6A 6 4 - 5 .52766



Ashland Blazer 374 135 8 - 1 5 - 0 4 - 0 .70439

Corbin 384 171 8 - 1 4 - 0 3 - 0 .69970

Its going to be close. Based on the numbers. Either way, It should be another good game.

https://khsaa.org/rpi_details/?team_id=92000
https://scoreboard.12dt.com/scoreboard/k.../?id=91898

[Granny Bear]

I have a bachelor's degree in mathematics, but I cannot for the life of me, figure out the RPIs.
I tried. Hard. Got a headache. Gave up!!

[Central Kid]

I have a bachelor's degree in mathematics, but I cannot for the life of me, figure out the RPIs.
I tried.  Hard.  Got a headache.  Gave up!!

Common core math Granny.  3+5=276??‍♂️

[Waitaminute]

I don’t think Corbin will jump them if both win.

[Ring'Em Up]

I have a bachelor's degree in mathematics, but I cannot for the life of me, figure out the RPIs.
I tried.  Hard.  Got a headache.  Gave up!!

Part of the problem..

[Glory_Days]

A huge play that no one has mentioned............

First quarter, Ashland's first possession they are punting. JC appears to block it (ball flight changed direction and went perpendicular to the punter) but gets called for roughing the kicker. Ball goes out of bounds at the Ashland 41-yard line, and it should be JC football. Ashland is awarded the first down by rule of roughing the kicker and goes on to score on the possession.

If I'm not mistaken, the rule stats that contact with the punter is acceptable if it's incidental and the defender has touched the ball.

[Hoot Gibson]

A huge play that no one has mentioned............

First quarter, Ashland's first possession they are punting. JC appears to block it (ball flight changed direction and went perpendicular to the punter) but gets called for roughing the kicker. Ball goes out of bounds at the Ashland 41-yard line, and it should be JC football. Ashland is awarded the first down by rule of roughing the kicker and goes on to score on the possession.

If I'm not mistaken, the rule stats that contact with the punter is acceptable if it's incidental and the defender has touched the ball.

It was a horrible call and a game changer. Ashland continued their drive and scored a touchdown, instead of JC beginning a drive from deep in Ashland's territory. Johnson Central certainly has plenty of time to recover from that bag call and win the game, but it probably resulted in a 14 points swing in the Tomcat's favor. It also could have been the reason that JC did not attempt to block a second point.

[Central Kid]

A huge play that no one has mentioned............

First quarter, Ashland's first possession they are punting. JC appears to block it (ball flight changed direction and went perpendicular to the punter) but gets called for roughing the kicker. Ball goes out of bounds at the Ashland 41-yard line, and it should be JC football. Ashland is awarded the first down by rule of roughing the kicker and goes on to score on the possession.

If I'm not mistaken, the rule stats that contact with the punter is acceptable if it's incidental and the defender has touched the ball.

It was a horrible call and a game changer. Ashland continued their drive and scored a touchdown, instead of JC beginning a drive from deep in Ashland's territory. Johnson Central certainly has plenty of time to recover from that bag call and win the game, but it probably resulted in a 14 points swing in the Tomcat's favor. It also could have been the reason that JC did not attempt to block a second point.

I mentioned that a bit earlier but no one seem to pick up on it.  Another penalty was the false start on the receiver. That created Centrals first punt. You could hear the white hat tell the receiver he was lined up in the neutral zone.  The film clearly shows he asked the side judge if he was good and was told yes.  He threw the flag.

[Upnorth]

It is natural to look at one specific play or call and try to say that’s the reason we lost. But I will say the game was called pretty well. There was a couple questionable calls both ways but the refs really stayed out of the game for the most part. If players and coaches focus on the wrong thing they will never improve. Really haven’t seen a lot of improvement on defense. Not sure if it’s bad schemes or just lack of speed. But JC has a real problem covering. It really looks like they send their linebackers to rush every play and leave their line home. The opposite of what you want against a team that can pass. After watching the replay of the last play it looks like JC pulled their safety and put in a kid in that doesn’t play defense. Which obviously he got lost on a crossing route. I might be wrong but that’s what it looked like.

[Redneck]

Why don’t Arms come out of his coaching retirement and take over the LB’s and Secondary for JC.

[Old School Hound]

I have a bachelor's degree in mathematics, but I cannot for the life of me, figure out the RPIs.
I tried.  Hard.  Got a headache.  Gave up!!

I love you more with each passing day...

[Bandit29]

A huge play that no one has mentioned............

First quarter, Ashland's first possession they are punting. JC appears to block it (ball flight changed direction and went perpendicular to the punter) but gets called for roughing the kicker. Ball goes out of bounds at the Ashland 41-yard line, and it should be JC football. Ashland is awarded the first down by rule of roughing the kicker and goes on to score on the possession.

If I'm not mistaken, the rule stats that contact with the punter is acceptable if it's incidental and the defender has touched the ball.

It was a horrible call and a game changer. Ashland continued their drive and scored a touchdown, instead of JC beginning a drive from deep in Ashland's territory. Johnson Central certainly has plenty of time to recover from that bag call and win the game, but it probably resulted in a 14 points swing in the Tomcat's favor. It also could have been the reason that JC did not attempt to block a second point.

 Horrible call is being nice about it.  Ball was clearly tipped...

[Fanman]

Placing blame on a penalty that occurred in the 1st quarter, is basically saying Johnson Central played a flawless game the rest of the game. No mistakes. Is that the case?

[2000PHS]

Placing blame on a penalty that occurred in the 1st quarter, is basically saying Johnson Central played a flawless game the rest of the game. No mistakes. Is that the case?

To answer the last part: they lost so of course they didn’t play a mistake free game. However, potentially going up 14/15 points on the road would have dramatically altered momentum of the game. I think JC punted 1 time so an extra possession was basically the difference in the score. I 1000% agree that JC had 3.5 quarters to make enough plays to win but that call is what it is = bad call that led to 7 points in a close game.

[Hoot Gibson]

Placing blame on a penalty that occurred in the 1st quarter, is basically saying Johnson Central played a flawless game the rest of the game. No mistakes. Is that the case?

Who said that? There is no denying that it was a bad call and there is no denying that it had an effect on the flow of the game. But it occurred early enough that Johnson Central had ample time to recover and win the game. They didn't and a loss is a loss but it doesn't mean that the bad roughing the passer call was not a bad call.

[Upnorth]

Can some one post the file for roughing the kicker. I would like to see how it’s worded. I know if you make contact with the ball and the kicker simultaneously it’s not roughing the kicker. I believe it also says if you make incidental contact with the kicker after the ball is deflected then it’s not roughing the kicker. If I remember correctly it leaves room for a judgement call on the referee. I would just like to see the rule before I assume it was a bad call. At first I thought it was bad but now I’m not sure.

[Granny Bear]

It is a foul for roughing the kicker if a defensive player: contacts the plant leg of the kicker while his kicking leg is still in the air; or. slides into or contacts the kicker when both of the kicker's feet are on the ground.Aug 30, 20

This is supposed to be straight out of the official's handbook; however, I doubt its' legitimacy.
1)  The statement just before this rule said that there wasn't a lot of information about this rule.
2)  There's a typographical error in the printing of this rule.

You can't even trust google these days!!

[King Kong]

Yes,  JC made mistakes in this game.  So did Ashland,  but they was able to overcome those mistakes,  and get the win. 

My point is,  mistake free,  doesn't exist.  There is no such thing as mistake free.  I don't care who it is,  what they're doing,  or how good they are at something. Mistakes are going to happen.  That's just a part of and fact of life.  

A wise man once told me,  a person who doesn't try won't have the problem of making mistakes.  A person that tries,  will make mistakes.  If you're messing up,  that shows your trying,  getting outta your comfort zone 

Nothing,  is another thing that doesn't exist.  You know,  you ask someone what they're doing,  they say,  nothing.  Everyone is doing something during every second of every minute.  Every minute of every hour.  Every hour of every day, and so on. Sitting,  laying,  standing,  sleeping,  snoring,  etc. those are all acts of doing something 

I don't even think that, Nothing,  should be in the dictionary. It doesn't exist,  it's not real. Everything and every act is something!

Thought I'd throw in some philosophy,  from Ol Kong here.  Perhaps one of the deepest thinkers and greatest philosopher's,  of the modern day era 

[Upnorth]

It is a foul for roughing the kicker if a defensive player: contacts the plant leg of the kicker while his kicking leg is still in the air; or. slides into or contacts the kicker when both of the kicker's feet are on the ground.Aug 30, 20

This is supposed to be straight out of the official's handbook; however, I doubt its' legitimacy.
1)  The statement just before this rule said that there wasn't a lot of information about this rule.
2)  There's a typographical error in the printing of this rule.

You can't even trust google these days!!

Yes I found this as well.  Which seems like the call might of been correct. But please if someone finds a more clear rule please let us see it.