[HSFOOTBALL]

I don't hate the RPI but we need a something else factored in.  I don't know what it is but every year the seeding seem whackier and whackier.

E.G. Rockcastle loses 1 game and beats Bell at Bell.  Bell is 4 spots ahead in the RPI than Rock. Rock won district and If Bell and Rock play in the playoffs Bell will be home team.
        
Raceland's losses to Highlands Ashland and LCA all of which will most likely be in the semi finals of 2a,4a and 5a did less for their RPI than Paris' win over Rock. Raceland won district and If Raceland and Paris play in the playoffs Paris will be home team.

KCD loses to Campbellsville and 9th ranked Henry County.  Campbellsville only loss is to 3rd ranked undefeated Hart County.  Campbellsville wins district and if they were to play in the playoffs (and they weren't 1 and 2) KCD would be the home team.


I don't know the answer and I'm sure there are many more examples, but what good does it do the teams to win district if they have to go play a team in their district that they already had to beat in an away game 3rd or 4th round?

[jetpilot]

Just win

[16 special]

I don't hate the RPI but we need a something else factored in.  I don't know what it is but every year the seeding seem whackier and whackier.

E.G. Rockcastle loses 1 game and beats Bell at Bell.  Bell is 4 spots ahead in the RPI than Rock. Rock won district and If Bell and Rock play in the playoffs Bell will be home team.
        
Raceland's losses to Highlands Ashland and LCA all of which will most likely be in the semi finals of 2a,4a and 5a did less for their RPI than Paris' win over Rock. Raceland won district and If Raceland and Paris play in the playoffs Paris will be home team.

KCD loses to Campbellsville and 9th ranked Henry County.  Campbellsville only loss is to 3rd ranked undefeated Hart County.  Campbellsville wins district and if they were to play in the playoffs (and they weren't 1 and 2) KCD would be the home team.


I don't know the answer and I'm sure there are many more examples, but what good does it do the teams to win district if they have to go play a team in their district that they already had to beat in an away game 3rd or 4th round?

Ashland won’t make the semis. Win the games you schedule and you won’t have a problem. RPI works fine. Make the 3rd-5th rounds neutral site if you wanna equal things out

[Waitaminute]

Well if Rock didn’t play middle school teams then they’d have a higher RPI. They deserve what they got.

[RAM-A-DEVIL]

Well if Rock didn’t play middle school teams then they’d have a higher RPI. They deserve what they got.

What’s your answer for LCA’s schedule? Probably toughest schedule in the state other than their district games and they are what?….3rd in RPI?

[Gridiron_Raid]

Well if Rock didn’t play middle school teams then they’d have a higher RPI. They deserve what they got.

What’s your answer for LCA’s schedule? Probably toughest schedule in the state other than their district games and they are what?….3rd in RPI?

I would say maybe the three district games against 3 of the worst RPI teams in all 6 classes. The rpi is the system and maybe teams need to schedule for it. The only bad thing about it is that teams like pikeville and raceland won’t be able to find a game. 

Teams that scheduled 3A or bigger teams that have somewhat of a pulse are at the top if they win. LCA got hurt cause the district they can’t help that.

[pirateforlife]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

[jetpilot]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

Margin of victory has no bearing on RPI. Agree 100% on #2.

[Waitaminute]

If you’re gonna be the best you have to beat the best. Quit wishing for easy paths. Win and it doesn’t matter.

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Well if Rock didn’t play middle school teams then they’d have a higher RPI. They deserve what they got.

What’s your answer for LCA’s schedule? Probably toughest schedule in the state other than their district games and they are what?….3rd in RPI?

LCA isn’t even close to having the strongest schedule in the state. Look at the Cal Preps number it’ll do the math for you.

[pirateforlife]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

Margin of victory has no bearing on RPI. Agree 100% on #2.

It should though. Beating a team by 1 and putting a running clock on them is not equal

[jetpilot]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

Margin of victory has no bearing on RPI. Agree 100% on #2.

It should though. Beating a team by 1 and putting a running clock on them is not equal

Can't encourage maximizing margin of victory. Never works in theory or in practice in any form. Bookies get rich off of it though lol.

[pirateforlife]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

Margin of victory has no bearing on RPI. Agree 100% on #2.

It should though. Beating a team by 1 and putting a running clock on them is not equal

Can't encourage maximizing margin of victory. Never works in theory or in practice in any form. Bookies get rich off of it though lol.

How about 1-10 points, 11-20, 21-30, or 31+ win? There has to be a better formula to calculate rpi than the current

[jetpilot]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

Margin of victory has no bearing on RPI. Agree 100% on #2.

It should though. Beating a team by 1 and putting a running clock on them is not equal

Can't encourage maximizing margin of victory. Never works in theory or in practice in any form. Bookies get rich off of it though lol.

How about 1-10 points, 11-20, 21-30, or 31+ win? There has to be a better formula to calculate rpi than the current

Calpreps or bust for me, although calpreps uses margin of victory in a limited way. People will still whine though as with any system...

[KnoxvillesFinest]

I do think if teams played head to head in the regular season and meet in playoffs that head to head win should trump RPI

No way should bell host rock

[zaga_fan]

I'll just throw out that we should scrap the RPI in favor of Dave Cantrall's system.
These were as of Oct. 22

CLASS A Rating
1. Pikeville 80.8
2. Raceland 76.3
3. Campbellsville 65.0
4. Kentucky Country Day 55.8
5. Paris 53.7
6. Newport Central Catholic 53.1
7. Sayre 47.1
8. Bethlehem 45.8 8. Middlesboro 45.8

CLASS 2A
1. Mayfield 83.5
2. Beechwood 83.0
3. Lexington Christian 82.6
4. Owensboro Catholic 82.1
5. Somerset 57.0
6. Green County 55.8
7. Shelby Valley 53.2
8. Breathitt County 53.0

CLASS 3A
1. Christian Academy-Louisville 89.1
2. Lexington Catholic 83.7
3. Central 82.3
4. Union County 68.6
5. Bell County 67.3
6. Mercer County 66.8
7. Belfry 66.3
8. Lloyd 66.0

CLASS 4A
1. Corbin 92.7
2. Boyle County 90.0
3. Covington Catholic 86.0
4. Paducah Tilghman 85.3
5. Franklin County 83.9
6. Ashland Blazer 80.2
7. Johnson Central 77.0
8. Taylor County 68.1

CLASS 5A
1. Highlands 88.3
2. Scott County 88.2
3. Bowling Green 86.5
4. Cooper 82.3
5. South Warren 82.2
6. Southwestern 81.5
7. Woodford County 79.2
8. Owensboro 76.8

CLASS 6A
1. Frederick Douglass 93.5
2. Male 93.0
3. Trinity 91.8
4. St. Xavier 90.3
5. Manual 88.0
6. Bryan Station 87.7
7. Ballard 86.2
8. Ryle 80.1

[HSFOOTBALL]

I don't hate the RPI but we need a something else factored in.  I don't know what it is but every year the seeding seem whackier and whackier.

E.G. Rockcastle loses 1 game and beats Bell at Bell.  Bell is 4 spots ahead in the RPI than Rock. Rock won district and If Bell and Rock play in the playoffs Bell will be home team.
        
Raceland's losses to Highlands Ashland and LCA all of which will most likely be in the semi finals of 2a,4a and 5a did less for their RPI than Paris' win over Rock. Raceland won district and If Raceland and Paris play in the playoffs Paris will be home team.

KCD loses to Campbellsville and 9th ranked Henry County.  Campbellsville only loss is to 3rd ranked undefeated Hart County.  Campbellsville wins district and if they were to play in the playoffs (and they weren't 1 and 2) KCD would be the home team.


I don't know the answer and I'm sure there are many more examples, but what good does it do the teams to win district if they have to go play a team in their district that they already had to beat in an away game 3rd or 4th round?

Ashland won’t make the semis. Win the games you schedule and you won’t have a problem. RPI works fine. Make the 3rd-5th rounds neutral site if you wanna equal things out

Rock won the games they scheduled including Bell. They lost the RPI war. Raceland scheduled hard and beat Paris. They lost the RPI war. They also beat Pikeville who has played 1 less game and had a forfeit. They lost that RPI war too

The whole point of RPI was to seed the playoffs fairly. Its rhetorical to say win the games you play. Its boring to watch the State Championship won in the 3rd or 4th round because the best teams aren’t rewarded for regular season play.

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I'll just throw out that we should scrap the RPI in favor of Dave Cantrall's system.
These were as of Oct. 22

CLASS A Rating
1. Pikeville 80.8
2. Raceland 76.3
3. Campbellsville 65.0
4. Kentucky Country Day 55.8
5. Paris 53.7
6. Newport Central Catholic 53.1
7. Sayre 47.1
8. Bethlehem 45.8 8. Middlesboro 45.8

CLASS 2A
1. Mayfield 83.5
2. Beechwood 83.0
3. Lexington Christian 82.6
4. Owensboro Catholic 82.1
5. Somerset 57.0
6. Green County 55.8
7. Shelby Valley 53.2
8. Breathitt County 53.0

CLASS 3A
1. Christian Academy-Louisville 89.1
2. Lexington Catholic 83.7
3. Central 82.3
4. Union County 68.6
5. Bell County 67.3
6. Mercer County 66.8
7. Belfry 66.3
8. Lloyd 66.0

CLASS 4A
1. Corbin 92.7
2. Boyle County 90.0
3. Covington Catholic 86.0
4. Paducah Tilghman 85.3
5. Franklin County 83.9
6. Ashland Blazer 80.2
7. Johnson Central 77.0
8. Taylor County 68.1

CLASS 5A
1. Highlands 88.3
2. Scott County 88.2
3. Bowling Green 86.5
4. Cooper 82.3
5. South Warren 82.2
6. Southwestern 81.5
7. Woodford County 79.2
8. Owensboro 76.8

CLASS 6A
1. Frederick Douglass 93.5
2. Male 93.0
3. Trinity 91.8
4. St. Xavier 90.3
5. Manual 88.0
6. Bryan Station 87.7
7. Ballard 86.2
8. Ryle 80.1

Im on board.

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If you’re gonna be the best you have to beat the best. Quit wishing for easy paths. Win and it doesn’t matter.

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Well if Rock didn’t play middle school teams then they’d have a higher RPI. They deserve what they got.

What’s your answer for LCA’s schedule? Probably toughest schedule in the state other than their district games and they are what?….3rd in RPI?

LCA isn’t even close to having the strongest schedule in the state. Look at the Cal Preps number it’ll do the math for you.

Same jibber jabber. No one wants to watch a 3rd round state championship game. The point is to try to watch the 2 best teams play for it all in commonwealth. 

Not only that but playing at home is a massive advantage in High school
football. Why should Rock have to beat Dudley twice on Log Mountain? Why should Raceland have to travel to Pikeville? From environment to officiating … playing at home should has crazy advantages. How many times have you heard “your down 2 scores when you get off the bus at (blank) stadium?”

[ROTC]

I'll just throw out that we should scrap the RPI in favor of Dave Cantrall's system.
These were as of Oct. 22

CLASS A Rating
1. Pikeville 80.8
2. Raceland 76.3
3. Campbellsville 65.0
4. Kentucky Country Day 55.8
5. Paris 53.7
6. Newport Central Catholic 53.1
7. Sayre 47.1
8. Bethlehem 45.8 8. Middlesboro 45.8

CLASS 2A
1. Mayfield 83.5
2. Beechwood 83.0
3. Lexington Christian 82.6
4. Owensboro Catholic 82.1
5. Somerset 57.0
6. Green County 55.8
7. Shelby Valley 53.2
8. Breathitt County 53.0

CLASS 3A
1. Christian Academy-Louisville 89.1
2. Lexington Catholic 83.7
3. Central 82.3
4. Union County 68.6
5. Bell County 67.3
6. Mercer County 66.8
7. Belfry 66.3
8. Lloyd 66.0

CLASS 4A
1. Corbin 92.7
2. Boyle County 90.0
3. Covington Catholic 86.0
4. Paducah Tilghman 85.3
5. Franklin County 83.9
6. Ashland Blazer 80.2
7. Johnson Central 77.0
8. Taylor County 68.1

CLASS 5A
1. Highlands 88.3
2. Scott County 88.2
3. Bowling Green 86.5
4. Cooper 82.3
5. South Warren 82.2
6. Southwestern 81.5
7. Woodford County 79.2
8. Owensboro 76.8

CLASS 6A
1. Frederick Douglass 93.5
2. Male 93.0
3. Trinity 91.8
4. St. Xavier 90.3
5. Manual 88.0
6. Bryan Station 87.7
7. Ballard 86.2
8. Ryle 80.1

This would be plenty enough teams for a meaningful playoff.  I think there are 8 teams with two wins or less just in the 1A bracket.

[know1]

Did you like the old system better?

[ROTC]

I don’t think there is a guaranteed way EVER that the “best” two teams meet in the championship game. I think there have been years for example when the best two college teams were in the same division of one conference.

I think RPI adds in more questionable variables- that may or may not be meaningful.

I think with six classes; you let the 1 have a bye; two and three play first round. Pair teams up regionally. Some years some brackets will be better than others- yes.

Nothing is perfect! Just know to be a state champion you “should” have to beat a good team along the way.

Just my thoughts…

[Orange Blaze]

Not having the best teams in the finals happened with the old system and even in the 4 class system. My issue with RPI is how it affects home field advantage. I don’t agree with how this current system can potentially have a district champion play on the road against another district team that it had previously beaten.

[ROTC]

Totally agree OB.

[Waitaminute]

What’s awesome is the state championship is never won in the third or fourth round. It’s won in the fifth at Kroger.

[Belichick]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

Margin of victory has no bearing on RPI. Agree 100% on #2.

It should though. Beating a team by 1 and putting a running clock on them is not equal

By your recommendation, Belfry would have been considered better than Pikeville because Pikeville beat Johnson Central 14-7 and Belfry beat Johnson Central 48-20. We know Pikeville beat Belfry 40-21. Matchups make games. Can’t encourage teams to beat lesser opponents as bad as possible to prove how good they are either. Opening a can of worms. Lower class teams already have problems finding games. Imagine telling them to beat the teams who agree to play them as bad as they can. You also play teams at different times of the year. Injuries matter. Margin of victory should never be part of the equation but the system has its warts obviously. In the end you have to beat the team in front of you for a trophy anyway. Only one team per class ends their season with a win.

[KnoxvillesFinest]

Cantrell is pretty much spot on

[pirateforlife]

3 things KHSAA needs to consider to fix rpi.
1. Home/away. Winning on the road should be weighted more than at home.
2. Out of state opponents. Beating St X Cincinnati shouldn’t be the same as beating Hurley, VA.
3. Margin of Victory. Cap it at 36 so teams arn’t running score up

Margin of victory has no bearing on RPI. Agree 100% on #2.

It should though. Beating a team by 1 and putting a running clock on them is not equal

By your recommendation, Belfry would have been considered better than Pikeville because Pikeville beat Johnson Central 14-7 and Belfry beat Johnson Central 48-20. We know Pikeville beat Belfry 40-21. Matchups make games. Can’t encourage teams to beat lesser opponents as bad as possible to prove how good they are either. Opening a can of worms. Lower class teams already have problems finding games. Imagine telling them to beat the teams who agree to play them as bad as they can. You also play teams at different times of the year. Injuries matter. Margin of victory should never be part of the equation but the system has its warts obviously. In the end you have to beat the team in front of you for a trophy anyway. Only one team per class ends their season with a win.

Cap it at 30 so team don’t run up scores.

[The Red Eminence]

I'm gonna echo a lot of posts, but I think RPI lacks anything beyond cold calculation. Did the teams play head-to-head during the season? What about out of state teams? RPI shouldn't be replaced, but there should be considerations beyond number crunching. I don't want the tournament determined simply by a 
ti-84.

[bball_fan]

If anyone has any right to complain about the RPI, it's Covington Catholic. You're the number one rated RPI in your class, and if teams hold up to their RPI rankings, you will play Ashland the second round, Johnson Central in the quarters, Tilghman and then Boyle/Corbin in the finals. Ouch!

[ROTC]

4A definitely the best class, this year.

[Hatz]

Looking at the quote from above:

No one wants to watch a 3rd round state championship game. The point is to try to watch the 2 best teams play for it all in commonwealth.

This year I agree. But in the last 3 years, can anyone say there as a "real state title game" in an earlier round than what we had in Lexington? I think in Class 4A, the best teams got to the title game each of those years and played for the title.

[Jack Lambert]

Cal-preps is the way to go, cantrell’s a joke!