[Hound05]

I would to know how Ohio does their “computer ratings” they go by. I’m sure it’s a form of RPI. I’m still not sure why some don’t like our RPI? Could it be a little better? Yes. But it’s the start to an avenue they can broaden. The past few years the title game has been the top 2 or 3 teams playing. What else could you ask for.

The system discourages teams from playing tough schedules and actually penalizes them for doing so. No offense, but Corbin's schedule has been pretty weak, yet they are rewarded with the top 4A seed. Johnson Central's schedule has been even weaker but they have always had a tough time scheduling strong competition for non-district play. The strongest teams within a reasonable drive for JC are located in Ohio and West Virginia. They were playing a couple of teams from Charleston, Capital and South Charleston, but those teams have been way down the past few seasons. The big schools in Huntington play a similar style as JC, so JC has sought out stronger passing teams to better prepare for the playoffs.

RPI considerations should not drive scheduling, IMO, but look at the schedules that Madison Central and George Rogers Clark have played. Neither team is very good this season, but they have pretty good records because they have avoided playing good 5A and 6A teams during the regular season. Teams in Kentucky that are weaker than the strong teams in southern Ohio but accumulate a lot of wins against weak opponents are sometimes referred to as "Harbin cows" because Buckeye teams can rack up Harbin points by playing them. (Harbin being the name of the Ohio equivalent of the RPI.)

It is probably going to be rare for Johnson Central to get a third round home playoff win because of their out of state games. Trinity is a much better example. They have the most quality wins of any Kentucky team by far and will be on the road in the second round. I am sure that Trinity will not be watering down their schedule to earn a better RPI and I hope that JC will not either. Hopefully, JC will be able to put together a stronger schedule next season because they will return a lot of talent.

The RPI system sucks.

I disagree with both of those statements. I don’t think Corbin’s schedule is weak. Or even JCs really. And RPI doesn’t reward weak scheduling. I’m not saying you in particularly, but I believe the reason people believe both is because of the assumptions they already have. They don’t look at the numbers, and they view teams with tinted glasses on, or assume becaise of their name and past they are either good or bad. But computers and number’s don’t have emotions and are objective. 

Corbin’s schedule is actually pretty good despite what some think. And again, I believe they think that because they don’t believe how good SK was, who finished 2nd in 6A RPI, pikeville who finished first because they are 1A, and Pulaski who is a very solid team. Franklin county had a 3 point loss to a Scott county team. All of those teams outside FC are in CalPreps top 25 regardless of class. Corbin finished 3rd in SoS in 4A according to them behind boyle and catholic. Before district Corbin actually had a big lead in SoS over them, but they had the advantage of a good district unlike Corbin and JC. But even then we still finished 2 points behind them in SoS. For perspective, Corbin’s was 7 points higher than JC. We still finished above in SOS regardless of class, higher than the likes of FD, CAL, Southwestern, Pikeville, Beechwood, and several more teams with good schedules. And again for perspective, since some don’t like the RPI numbers. Trinity finished with a 37.7 SoS compared to our 8.1, JC 1.1, Boyle 10.1. So again how is Corbin’s schedule weak? Objectively? 


Now as RPI goes, the truth to it is obvious at least to Corbin fans, and others who look at it objectively. It doesn’t reward weak scheduling. Actually quiet the opposite. Corbin finished 10-0 last year and finished 3rd in RPI behind boyle and Lex cath who had a good schedule. The schedule was weak for the most part. Probably not as weak as most think. But still weak. This year a pretty good schedule and we are first. And it was close! 1A raceland had a pretty weak schedule outside of one game. They finished behind Pikeville who had another loss more than them. Mayfield was 10-0 and finished 3rd. Metcalfe was 10-0 finished 6 in 2A, both with pretty weak schedules. Other 10-0 teams…. Mason, bardstown union, all behind CAL who was first. 4A had warren East that was 10-0
and finished behind boyle and Lex. Southwestern in 5A is 10-0 and still finished behind Scott co who had 1 loss. All of those teams had pretty weak schedules and great records and still weren’t the top team. Some of them not even 3rd or 4th place with zero losses. Even in your example, Madison central and GRC, they finished with 3 losses. Even with that GRC didn’t even make it in the top 10. Central finished 11th. And both were behind a 4 loss Trinity, 3 loss SK, Bryan station with 3, Male with 4. GRC finished behind a 5 loss team and central was barely ahead of them in RPI. Why? Because I doesn’t reward weak schedules. A 5 loss team ahead of of 7-3? And honestly, are there teams behind them that could beat them? Maybe, but not many. Again if people will look at it without their tinted shades on, it’s there, in black and white. But most want to assume that they know better than the numbers and a another sites algorithm, not saying you. Someone who is great at math can probably explain it better, but if you schedule a bunch of nobody’s with 2 or 3 wins and you win all of them, your WP will be pretty high, but the OWP which is weighted the same would be very low,
thus almost canceling each other. Even if you play weak teams with good records, your OOWP is gonna be garbage and is weighted just below at .30, so it would almost cancel it it out. RPI balances everything pretty evenly. It isn’t perfect, but it’s better than what most think because they can’t get their assumptions to the sides despite the numbers, Polls, other metrics of measurement of teams. And again it doesn’t reward weak scheduling. Now if someone can show actual proof that it does, I might change my mind if correct. But just because ole Johnny don’t believe that another team is good isn’t gonna cut it when you have objective proof. 

Now I will agree about the oit of state teams. But I’m not smart enough to come up with a solution to that, thats realistic. And that’s where your Trinity example comes into play. Yea they have strong wins, but it’s out of state. That’s not RPI’s fault, and even then, they still finished above teams with more wins including the two you named. Which again, shows RPI doesn’t reward them, Trinity still finished higher.

[Hoot Gibson]

Fans tend to think that teams that beat or give their teams better than expected games are better than they actually are. Some Corbin fans are doing that this season with Simon Kenton, just as they did with Lincoln County last season. Simon Kenton has a good offense but they rely too heavily on two players. They are not a very good defensive team, especially against the run and that is why Southwestern dominated them. SK is a pretty good team but they are not close to being a top 6A team.

As for out of state teams and Trinity, you don't have to know much about them to figure out how good teams like Center Grove and other teams ranked high nationally are. Just compare CalPrep's or Massey's national rankings of Trinity's out of state opponents to SK and be thankful for Corbin's schedule.

Johnson Central has been ranked in the top 5 in all classes in the past. It its always tempting to mistake the hype for reality but there is a reason for the classification of football teams in Kentucky, just as there is a reason why state champions are not determined by polls or by computers. Corbin may be a top 10 team but they are not close to being #3. Winning 4A would not make them a top 3 team either - it would make them them the #1 4A team.

[Hound05]

Yea….You just deflected the entire question of how RPI rewards scheduling weak teams. But that’s ok. And I never said SK was the top of 6A. But they finished 2nd in RPI as I said, because we are talking about RPI. And I’m not sure where you got your info, but southwestern didn’t dominate them. They were down 14-0 until SK’s QB got hurt. You don’t have to have a great offense when you can put up over 40 on teams like Highlands and woodford co. That would be like me saying Johnson central doesn’t have a good offense because they only put up 14 on north laurel. Which I don’t believe. But yea a lot of Corbin people think they are good just like some JCs fans think North laurel was a “good team”. You said “ tonight is any indication, the Jaguars should be very competitive in their district”. Implying since they beat you guys they were gonna be competitive. Which is the same thing you pretty much just said about Corbin fans last year in your post. This year Only difference is SK is at the top of RPI and top 20 on calpreps system. But I couldn’t care less about JC, SK, your assessment of them or any opinions on it or last year. You said Corbin’s schedule was weak, i provided facts, not my assessment of them, and numbers. You said RPI rewards weak schedules and even gave two teams, you might I remind everyone, finished below teams with less wins…. I refuted that claim with SoS and different computer rating. You let your dislike of Corbin cloud your judgment on anything and everything correlated with them, regardless of different facts from various sources.

Still not sure what your Trinity comment is about. As I said verbatum, “yea they have strong wins, but they are out of state.” Again,
They had less wins they the 2 you mentioned and are still rated above. But that RPI rewards bad schedules???? And that was the topic. I’m not sure where Trinity schedule and Corbin’s come into play? Yea I’m thankful we don’t have trinitys schedule I guess? But I’m thankful we don’t have yours as well. I’m not concerned with other teams schedules in that context.

Your last paragraph is just a deflection of the question again and an attempt to answer a question that no one asked but goes along with your narrative. I don’t think anyone is getting “hyped” about a Calpreps rating haha. I don’t think we are 3 in the state either. Once more you answered a question that wasn’t asked, no one said champions were determined by Polls or computers. Your comment was about Corbin’s “weak” schedule and RPI. And computers DO determine SoS and RPI. Which is what the entire post and question were about. So again, if anyone else would like to show me how RPI rewards weak schedules, I’m more than willing to listen maybe have a friendly debate, and change my opinion if need be. But please provide facts so I can check them out, not an opinion of a team you’ve probably never seen. And please, don’t redirect the question to your narrative of opinions and the factual stuff you do produce has nothing to do with RPI.

[Hoot Gibson]

Yea….You just deflected the entire question of how RPI rewards scheduling weak teams. But that’s ok. And I never said SK was the top of 6A. But they finished 2nd in RPI as I said, because we are talking about RPI. And I’m not sure where you got your info, but southwestern didn’t dominate them. They were down 14-0 until SK’s QB got hurt. You don’t have to have a great offense when you can put up over 40 on teams like Highlands and woodford co. That would be like me saying Johnson central doesn’t have a good offense because they only put up 14 on north laurel. Which I don’t believe.  But yea a lot of Corbin people think they are good just like some JCs fans  think North laurel was a “good team”. You said “ tonight is any indication, the Jaguars should be very competitive in their district”. Implying since they beat you guys they were gonna be competitive. Which is the same thing you pretty much just said about Corbin fans last year in your post. This year Only difference is SK is at the top of RPI and top 20 on calpreps system. But I couldn’t care less about JC, SK, your assessment of them or any opinions on it or last year. You said Corbin’s schedule was weak, i provided facts, not my assessment of them, and numbers. You said RPI rewards weak schedules and even gave two teams, you might I remind everyone, finished below teams with less wins…. I refuted that claim with SoS and different computer rating. You let your dislike of Corbin cloud your judgment on anything and everything correlated with them, regardless of different facts from various sources.

Still not sure what your Trinity comment is about. As I said verbatum, “yea they have strong wins, but they are out of state.” Again,
They had less wins they the 2 you mentioned and are still rated above. But that RPI rewards bad schedules???? And that was the topic.  I’m not sure where Trinity schedule and Corbin’s come into play? Yea I’m thankful we don’t have trinitys schedule I guess? But I’m thankful we don’t have yours as well. I’m not concerned with other teams schedules in that context.

Your last paragraph is just a deflection of the question again and an attempt to answer a question that no one asked but goes along with your narrative. I don’t think anyone is getting “hyped” about a Calpreps rating haha. I don’t think we are 3 in the state either. Once more you answered a question that wasn’t asked,  no one said champions were determined by Polls or computers. Your comment was about Corbin’s “weak” schedule and RPI. And computers DO determine SoS and RPI. Which is what the entire post and question were about. So again, if anyone else would like to show me how RPI rewards weak schedules, I’m more than willing to listen maybe have a friendly debate, and change my opinion if need be. But please provide facts so I can check them out, not an opinion of a team you’ve probably never seen. And please, don’t redirect the question to your narrative of opinions and the factual stuff you do produce has nothing to do with RPI.

Yea, you already answered your own question. Simon Kenton is #2 in 6A RPI after playing what was a weak schedule for a 6A team. As for Southwestern, I listened to most of their game against Simon Kenton and the Simon Kenton defense could not handle their physical style on the LOS at all after SK jumped out to an early lead. JC played SK in both Crone's freshman and sophomore seasons and the same thing happened to them. Their offense was pretty good but their defense was a sieve. I was surprised that Corbin struggled against them. I don't dislike Corbin and all and will be pulling for them if they finally get past Johnson Central this season.

The fact that the RPI punishes teams for playing out of strong out of state teams has everything with this thread. If the purpose of the RPI is to ensure that the best teams are rewarded with home field advantage and make it to the semifinals, then it is a miserable failure. Trinity and Saint X are the two best teams in 6A and Simon Kenton is not even among the best five 6A teams, yet there they are at #2.

Corbin is undefeated against a weak schedule and they are #1 in the RPI. If that is not being rewarded for playing a weak schedule, then I don't know what is. Both Boyle County and Lexington Catholic have played stronger schedules and have better wins, IMO. I have watched Corbin, Pikeville, Boyle County, and Lexington Catholic games live streamed, so don't presume that I have not watched any of them play. Your posts are exactly like the ones that filled this forum last season. Corbin has a good team. I am glad for the players' sake that they are enjoying a very good season.

[UK Fan14]

Go back to 4 classes - top 4 make playoffs - keep cross districting for playoffs - keep RPI for info purposes
Go back to old sch. of dist. / regions hosting for the region champ and semi's (odd yrs. hosted by odd # dist./regions and even yrs. hosted by even # dist./regions)

Seemed to work well back in the day and produced some great games.

[Gitback Coach]

Three classes (publics only), 16-team playoffs (cross-districts) and "bowl games" for non-qualifiers with .500 record or better. Neutral sites and RPI seeding begin with semifinals...or better yet, ditch RPI altogether.

[Hound05]

Yea….You just deflected the entire question of how RPI rewards scheduling weak teams. But that’s ok. And I never said SK was the top of 6A. But they finished 2nd in RPI as I said, because we are talking about RPI. And I’m not sure where you got your info, but southwestern didn’t dominate them. They were down 14-0 until SK’s QB got hurt. You don’t have to have a great offense when you can put up over 40 on teams like Highlands and woodford co. That would be like me saying Johnson central doesn’t have a good offense because they only put up 14 on north laurel. Which I don’t believe.  But yea a lot of Corbin people think they are good just like some JCs fans  think North laurel was a “good team”. You said “ tonight is any indication, the Jaguars should be very competitive in their district”. Implying since they beat you guys they were gonna be competitive. Which is the same thing you pretty much just said about Corbin fans last year in your post. This year Only difference is SK is at the top of RPI and top 20 on calpreps system. But I couldn’t care less about JC, SK, your assessment of them or any opinions on it or last year. You said Corbin’s schedule was weak, i provided facts, not my assessment of them, and numbers. You said RPI rewards weak schedules and even gave two teams, you might I remind everyone, finished below teams with less wins…. I refuted that claim with SoS and different computer rating. You let your dislike of Corbin cloud your judgment on anything and everything correlated with them, regardless of different facts from various sources.

Still not sure what your Trinity comment is about. As I said verbatum, “yea they have strong wins, but they are out of state.” Again,
They had less wins they the 2 you mentioned and are still rated above. But that RPI rewards bad schedules???? And that was the topic.  I’m not sure where Trinity schedule and Corbin’s come into play? Yea I’m thankful we don’t have trinitys schedule I guess? But I’m thankful we don’t have yours as well. I’m not concerned with other teams schedules in that context.

Your last paragraph is just a deflection of the question again and an attempt to answer a question that no one asked but goes along with your narrative. I don’t think anyone is getting “hyped” about a Calpreps rating haha. I don’t think we are 3 in the state either. Once more you answered a question that wasn’t asked,  no one said champions were determined by Polls or computers. Your comment was about Corbin’s “weak” schedule and RPI. And computers DO determine SoS and RPI. Which is what the entire post and question were about. So again, if anyone else would like to show me how RPI rewards weak schedules, I’m more than willing to listen maybe have a friendly debate, and change my opinion if need be. But please provide facts so I can check them out, not an opinion of a team you’ve probably never seen. And please, don’t redirect the question to your narrative of opinions and the factual stuff you do produce has nothing to do with RPI.

Yea, you already answered your own question. Simon Kenton is #2 in 6A RPI after playing what was a weak schedule for a 6A team. As for Southwestern, I listened to most of their game against Simon Kenton and the Simon Kenton defense could not handle their physical style on the LOS at all after SK jumped out to an early lead. JC played SK in both Crone's freshman and sophomore seasons and the same thing happened to them. Their offense was pretty good but their defense was a sieve. I was surprised that Corbin struggled against them. I don't dislike Corbin and all and will be pulling for them if they finally get past Johnson Central this season.

The fact that the RPI punishes teams for playing out of strong out of state teams has everything with this thread. If the purpose of the RPI is to ensure that the best teams are rewarded with home field advantage and make it to the semifinals, then it is a miserable failure. Trinity and Saint X are the two best teams in 6A and Simon Kenton is not even among the best five 6A teams, yet there they are at #2.

Corbin is undefeated against a weak schedule and they are #1 in the RPI. If that is not being rewarded for playing a weak schedule, then I don't know what is. Both Boyle County and Lexington Catholic have played stronger schedules and have better wins, IMO. I have watched Corbin, Pikeville, Boyle County, and Lexington Catholic games live streamed, so don't presume that I have not watched any of them play. Your posts are exactly like the ones that filled this forum last season. Corbin has a good team. I am glad for the players' sake that they are enjoying a very good season.

lol. Again every metric says different, but because you listened to it, or watched it, they are all wrong, regardless of all the different metrics from different sources. Again, all assumptions like I said in my OP, is the problem. People ignore black and white and go with their “own” opinion. Are the numbers wrong sometimes? Yep. But not that often. 

So let’s do this. Should FD be number one in 5A? They played a weaker schedule than Corbin? 

should JC even be where they are? The same weak teams Corbin played put a clock on a team that beat you and a team you beat by one? 

I said in my first post the problem is people ignore the evidence out there and assume they know more about a team with their tinted shades on than what the evidence shows. But if your only argument against facts and black and white is again, “what you listened to” or honestly just your thoughts. My argument is at rest because you’re doing exactly what I said, ignoring objective evidence. 

and I’m not sure what “type” of post you’re talking about, taking up for a number 1
RPI? Yes.  Because there’s proof out there,  not just someone’s opinion of it. I’m not sure why you keep bringing up last year, we got a 3rd place finish in RPI last year, BECAUSE OF A WEAK SCHEDULE. Haha. I know you’re not gonna provide any evidence to back up your claim or “weak
scheduling” other than opinions, that’s fine. It’s a message board you can. But I would appreciate if you’d answer those two questions. 


does FD deserve #1 RPI with their weak schedule, and should Johnson even be where they are with a 1.1 SoS?

[Hoot Gibson]

Yea….You just deflected the entire question of how RPI rewards scheduling weak teams. But that’s ok. And I never said SK was the top of 6A. But they finished 2nd in RPI as I said, because we are talking about RPI. And I’m not sure where you got your info, but southwestern didn’t dominate them. They were down 14-0 until SK’s QB got hurt. You don’t have to have a great offense when you can put up over 40 on teams like Highlands and woodford co. That would be like me saying Johnson central doesn’t have a good offense because they only put up 14 on north laurel. Which I don’t believe.  But yea a lot of Corbin people think they are good just like some JCs fans  think North laurel was a “good team”. You said “ tonight is any indication, the Jaguars should be very competitive in their district”. Implying since they beat you guys they were gonna be competitive. Which is the same thing you pretty much just said about Corbin fans last year in your post. This year Only difference is SK is at the top of RPI and top 20 on calpreps system. But I couldn’t care less about JC, SK, your assessment of them or any opinions on it or last year. You said Corbin’s schedule was weak, i provided facts, not my assessment of them, and numbers. You said RPI rewards weak schedules and even gave two teams, you might I remind everyone, finished below teams with less wins…. I refuted that claim with SoS and different computer rating. You let your dislike of Corbin cloud your judgment on anything and everything correlated with them, regardless of different facts from various sources.

Still not sure what your Trinity comment is about. As I said verbatum, “yea they have strong wins, but they are out of state.” Again,
They had less wins they the 2 you mentioned and are still rated above. But that RPI rewards bad schedules???? And that was the topic.  I’m not sure where Trinity schedule and Corbin’s come into play? Yea I’m thankful we don’t have trinitys schedule I guess? But I’m thankful we don’t have yours as well. I’m not concerned with other teams schedules in that context.

Your last paragraph is just a deflection of the question again and an attempt to answer a question that no one asked but goes along with your narrative. I don’t think anyone is getting “hyped” about a Calpreps rating haha. I don’t think we are 3 in the state either. Once more you answered a question that wasn’t asked,  no one said champions were determined by Polls or computers. Your comment was about Corbin’s “weak” schedule and RPI. And computers DO determine SoS and RPI. Which is what the entire post and question were about. So again, if anyone else would like to show me how RPI rewards weak schedules, I’m more than willing to listen maybe have a friendly debate, and change my opinion if need be. But please provide facts so I can check them out, not an opinion of a team you’ve probably never seen. And please, don’t redirect the question to your narrative of opinions and the factual stuff you do produce has nothing to do with RPI.

Yea, you already answered your own question. Simon Kenton is #2 in 6A RPI after playing what was a weak schedule for a 6A team. As for Southwestern, I listened to most of their game against Simon Kenton and the Simon Kenton defense could not handle their physical style on the LOS at all after SK jumped out to an early lead. JC played SK in both Crone's freshman and sophomore seasons and the same thing happened to them. Their offense was pretty good but their defense was a sieve. I was surprised that Corbin struggled against them. I don't dislike Corbin and all and will be pulling for them if they finally get past Johnson Central this season.

The fact that the RPI punishes teams for playing out of strong out of state teams has everything with this thread. If the purpose of the RPI is to ensure that the best teams are rewarded with home field advantage and make it to the semifinals, then it is a miserable failure. Trinity and Saint X are the two best teams in 6A and Simon Kenton is not even among the best five 6A teams, yet there they are at #2.

Corbin is undefeated against a weak schedule and they are #1 in the RPI. If that is not being rewarded for playing a weak schedule, then I don't know what is. Both Boyle County and Lexington Catholic have played stronger schedules and have better wins, IMO. I have watched Corbin, Pikeville, Boyle County, and Lexington Catholic games live streamed, so don't presume that I have not watched any of them play. Your posts are exactly like the ones that filled this forum last season. Corbin has a good team. I am glad for the players' sake that they are enjoying a very good season.

lol. Again every metric says different, but because you listened to it, or watched it, they are all wrong, regardless of all the different metrics from different sources. Again, all assumptions like I said in my OP, is the problem. People ignore black and white and go with their “own” opinion. Are the numbers wrong sometimes? Yep. But not that often. 

So let’s do this. Should FD be number one in 5A? They played a weaker schedule than Corbin? 

should JC even be where they are? The same weak teams Corbin played put a clock on a team that beat you and a team you beat by one? 

I said in my first post the problem is people ignore the evidence out there and assume they know more about a team with their tinted shades on than what the evidence shows. But if your only argument against facts and black and white is again, “what you listened to” or honestly just your thoughts. My argument is at rest because you’re doing exactly what I said, ignoring objective evidence. 

and I’m not sure what “type” of post you’re talking about, taking up for a number 1
RPI? Yes.  Because there’s proof out there,  not just someone’s opinion of it. I’m not sure why you keep bringing up last year, we got a 3rd place finish in RPI last year, BECAUSE OF A WEAK SCHEDULE. Haha. I know you’re not gonna provide any evidence to back up your claim or “weak
scheduling” other than opinions, that’s fine. It’s a message board you can. But I would appreciate if you’d answer those two questions. 


does FD deserve #1 RPI with their weak schedule, and should Johnson even be where they are with a 1.1 SoS?

Both CalPreps and Massey has Frederick Douglas ranked #1 in 5A, so yes I do consider them to be the top team in 5A.  FD also had a very impressive win over Bryan Station, as did Boyle County. Corbin's best win was a narrow one over a 1A team.

Most Corbin fans were sure that Corbin was the best team in 4A last season and they were still sure that Corbin was better than Johnson Central even after losing to them for the second consecutive season in a game that was not all that close. Corbin has not beaten a team as good as either Scott County or Lexington Catholic. One would expect that Corbin's fans who show a little humility after what happened last season. If I was not a Johnson Central graduate, I would probably be hoping for Corbin to win the title just to avoid a repeat of all of the whining about their coaches that followed last year's loss. 

I am finished with this discussion. Corbin and Johnson Central will probably play in week 3 and I will say in advance that if they play, then I will acknowledge that the winner of the game has the best team this season. I hope that Corbin fans will commit to doing the same.

[Hound05]

Yea….You just deflected the entire question of how RPI rewards scheduling weak teams. But that’s ok. And I never said SK was the top of 6A. But they finished 2nd in RPI as I said, because we are talking about RPI. And I’m not sure where you got your info, but southwestern didn’t dominate them. They were down 14-0 until SK’s QB got hurt. You don’t have to have a great offense when you can put up over 40 on teams like Highlands and woodford co. That would be like me saying Johnson central doesn’t have a good offense because they only put up 14 on north laurel. Which I don’t believe.  But yea a lot of Corbin people think they are good just like some JCs fans  think North laurel was a “good team”. You said “ tonight is any indication, the Jaguars should be very competitive in their district”. Implying since they beat you guys they were gonna be competitive. Which is the same thing you pretty much just said about Corbin fans last year in your post. This year Only difference is SK is at the top of RPI and top 20 on calpreps system. But I couldn’t care less about JC, SK, your assessment of them or any opinions on it or last year. You said Corbin’s schedule was weak, i provided facts, not my assessment of them, and numbers. You said RPI rewards weak schedules and even gave two teams, you might I remind everyone, finished below teams with less wins…. I refuted that claim with SoS and different computer rating. You let your dislike of Corbin cloud your judgment on anything and everything correlated with them, regardless of different facts from various sources.

Still not sure what your Trinity comment is about. As I said verbatum, “yea they have strong wins, but they are out of state.” Again,
They had less wins they the 2 you mentioned and are still rated above. But that RPI rewards bad schedules???? And that was the topic.  I’m not sure where Trinity schedule and Corbin’s come into play? Yea I’m thankful we don’t have trinitys schedule I guess? But I’m thankful we don’t have yours as well. I’m not concerned with other teams schedules in that context.

Your last paragraph is just a deflection of the question again and an attempt to answer a question that no one asked but goes along with your narrative. I don’t think anyone is getting “hyped” about a Calpreps rating haha. I don’t think we are 3 in the state either. Once more you answered a question that wasn’t asked,  no one said champions were determined by Polls or computers. Your comment was about Corbin’s “weak” schedule and RPI. And computers DO determine SoS and RPI. Which is what the entire post and question were about. So again, if anyone else would like to show me how RPI rewards weak schedules, I’m more than willing to listen maybe have a friendly debate, and change my opinion if need be. But please provide facts so I can check them out, not an opinion of a team you’ve probably never seen. And please, don’t redirect the question to your narrative of opinions and the factual stuff you do produce has nothing to do with RPI.

Yea, you already answered your own question. Simon Kenton is #2 in 6A RPI after playing what was a weak schedule for a 6A team. As for Southwestern, I listened to most of their game against Simon Kenton and the Simon Kenton defense could not handle their physical style on the LOS at all after SK jumped out to an early lead. JC played SK in both Crone's freshman and sophomore seasons and the same thing happened to them. Their offense was pretty good but their defense was a sieve. I was surprised that Corbin struggled against them. I don't dislike Corbin and all and will be pulling for them if they finally get past Johnson Central this season.

The fact that the RPI punishes teams for playing out of strong out of state teams has everything with this thread. If the purpose of the RPI is to ensure that the best teams are rewarded with home field advantage and make it to the semifinals, then it is a miserable failure. Trinity and Saint X are the two best teams in 6A and Simon Kenton is not even among the best five 6A teams, yet there they are at #2.

Corbin is undefeated against a weak schedule and they are #1 in the RPI. If that is not being rewarded for playing a weak schedule, then I don't know what is. Both Boyle County and Lexington Catholic have played stronger schedules and have better wins, IMO. I have watched Corbin, Pikeville, Boyle County, and Lexington Catholic games live streamed, so don't presume that I have not watched any of them play. Your posts are exactly like the ones that filled this forum last season. Corbin has a good team. I am glad for the players' sake that they are enjoying a very good season.

lol. Again every metric says different, but because you listened to it, or watched it, they are all wrong, regardless of all the different metrics from different sources. Again, all assumptions like I said in my OP, is the problem. People ignore black and white and go with their “own” opinion. Are the numbers wrong sometimes? Yep. But not that often. 

So let’s do this. Should FD be number one in 5A? They played a weaker schedule than Corbin? 

should JC even be where they are? The same weak teams Corbin played put a clock on a team that beat you and a team you beat by one? 

I said in my first post the problem is people ignore the evidence out there and assume they know more about a team with their tinted shades on than what the evidence shows. But if your only argument against facts and black and white is again, “what you listened to” or honestly just your thoughts. My argument is at rest because you’re doing exactly what I said, ignoring objective evidence. 

and I’m not sure what “type” of post you’re talking about, taking up for a number 1
RPI? Yes.  Because there’s proof out there,  not just someone’s opinion of it. I’m not sure why you keep bringing up last year, we got a 3rd place finish in RPI last year, BECAUSE OF A WEAK SCHEDULE. Haha. I know you’re not gonna provide any evidence to back up your claim or “weak
scheduling” other than opinions, that’s fine. It’s a message board you can. But I would appreciate if you’d answer those two questions. 


does FD deserve #1 RPI with their weak schedule, and should Johnson even be where they are with a 1.1 SoS?

Both CalPreps and Massey has Frederick Douglas ranked #1 in 5A, so yes I do consider them to be the top team in 5A.  FD also had a very impressive win over Bryan Station, as did Boyle County. Corbin's best win was a narrow one over a 1A team.

Most Corbin fans were sure that Corbin was the best team in 4A last season and they were still sure that Corbin was better than Johnson Central even after losing to them for the second consecutive season in a game that was not all that close. Corbin has not beaten a team as good as either Scott County or Lexington Catholic. One would expect that Corbin's fans who show a little humility after what happened last season. If I was not a Johnson Central graduate, I would probably be hoping for Corbin to win the title just to avoid a repeat of all of the whining about their coaches that followed last year's loss. 

I am finished with this discussion. Corbin and Johnson Central will probably play in week 3 and I will say in advance that if they play, then I will acknowledge that the winner of the game has the best team this season. I hope that Corbin fans will commit to doing the same.

So calpreps #1 ranking of FD is correct but we’ll just disregard the #4A ranking, oh and their SoS ranking haha. I’m sure you thought you were better than Franklin co and boyle both times too. And I can remember a certain fans crying saying if we didn’t have an injury it would have been a different game. I bet you are finished with it. I just  asked for proof of RPI and your rebuttal was your opinion. And you start talking about CORBIN again, and last year for some reason.  But again, it’s message board you can answer and say what you want. But you still didn’t answer the question about JC being where they are with a weak schedule they have over a team like Franklin co who has had to play a Scott county team, Ballard, Corbin, etc. you probably think I don’t like you, and whether you care or not, I do. But I don’t like people talking out of both sides and using one argument to defend their teams and the same to berate another’s. Or talking about fans crying or playing the “what if”
games when in fact I have quoted you doing the same exact thing. We get it, Corbin isn’t the king of the Ky. They have a number one ranking because of an objectively hard schedule that I proved with computer rating and Polls, and a biased fans opinion of them. But again, it’s a message board. Its meant for opinions and debates so I don’t have to tell you, you’re more than welcomed to an opinion. But I’m not talking about last year, fans, or even opinions. So feel free to reread my OP about RPI and respond with factual evidence and I’ll listen. Or keep going in the same and someone else can take it up.

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Yea….You just deflected the entire question of how RPI rewards scheduling weak teams. But that’s ok. And I never said SK was the top of 6A. But they finished 2nd in RPI as I said, because we are talking about RPI. And I’m not sure where you got your info, but southwestern didn’t dominate them. They were down 14-0 until SK’s QB got hurt. You don’t have to have a great offense when you can put up over 40 on teams like Highlands and woodford co. That would be like me saying Johnson central doesn’t have a good offense because they only put up 14 on north laurel. Which I don’t believe.  But yea a lot of Corbin people think they are good just like some JCs fans  think North laurel was a “good team”. You said “ tonight is any indication, the Jaguars should be very competitive in their district”. Implying since they beat you guys they were gonna be competitive. Which is the same thing you pretty much just said about Corbin fans last year in your post. This year Only difference is SK is at the top of RPI and top 20 on calpreps system. But I couldn’t care less about JC, SK, your assessment of them or any opinions on it or last year. You said Corbin’s schedule was weak, i provided facts, not my assessment of them, and numbers. You said RPI rewards weak schedules and even gave two teams, you might I remind everyone, finished below teams with less wins…. I refuted that claim with SoS and different computer rating. You let your dislike of Corbin cloud your judgment on anything and everything correlated with them, regardless of different facts from various sources.

Still not sure what your Trinity comment is about. As I said verbatum, “yea they have strong wins, but they are out of state.” Again,
They had less wins they the 2 you mentioned and are still rated above. But that RPI rewards bad schedules???? And that was the topic.  I’m not sure where Trinity schedule and Corbin’s come into play? Yea I’m thankful we don’t have trinitys schedule I guess? But I’m thankful we don’t have yours as well. I’m not concerned with other teams schedules in that context.

Your last paragraph is just a deflection of the question again and an attempt to answer a question that no one asked but goes along with your narrative. I don’t think anyone is getting “hyped” about a Calpreps rating haha. I don’t think we are 3 in the state either. Once more you answered a question that wasn’t asked,  no one said champions were determined by Polls or computers. Your comment was about Corbin’s “weak” schedule and RPI. And computers DO determine SoS and RPI. Which is what the entire post and question were about. So again, if anyone else would like to show me how RPI rewards weak schedules, I’m more than willing to listen maybe have a friendly debate, and change my opinion if need be. But please provide facts so I can check them out, not an opinion of a team you’ve probably never seen. And please, don’t redirect the question to your narrative of opinions and the factual stuff you do produce has nothing to do with RPI.

Yea, you already answered your own question. Simon Kenton is #2 in 6A RPI after playing what was a weak schedule for a 6A team. As for Southwestern, I listened to most of their game against Simon Kenton and the Simon Kenton defense could not handle their physical style on the LOS at all after SK jumped out to an early lead. JC played SK in both Crone's freshman and sophomore seasons and the same thing happened to them. Their offense was pretty good but their defense was a sieve. I was surprised that Corbin struggled against them. I don't dislike Corbin and all and will be pulling for them if they finally get past Johnson Central this season.

The fact that the RPI punishes teams for playing out of strong out of state teams has everything with this thread. If the purpose of the RPI is to ensure that the best teams are rewarded with home field advantage and make it to the semifinals, then it is a miserable failure. Trinity and Saint X are the two best teams in 6A and Simon Kenton is not even among the best five 6A teams, yet there they are at #2.

Corbin is undefeated against a weak schedule and they are #1 in the RPI. If that is not being rewarded for playing a weak schedule, then I don't know what is. Both Boyle County and Lexington Catholic have played stronger schedules and have better wins, IMO. I have watched Corbin, Pikeville, Boyle County, and Lexington Catholic games live streamed, so don't presume that I have not watched any of them play. Your posts are exactly like the ones that filled this forum last season. Corbin has a good team. I am glad for the players' sake that they are enjoying a very good season.

lol. Again every metric says different, but because you listened to it, or watched it, they are all wrong, regardless of all the different metrics from different sources. Again, all assumptions like I said in my OP, is the problem. People ignore black and white and go with their “own” opinion. Are the numbers wrong sometimes? Yep. But not that often. 

So let’s do this. Should FD be number one in 5A? They played a weaker schedule than Corbin? 

should JC even be where they are? The same weak teams Corbin played put a clock on a team that beat you and a team you beat by one? 

I said in my first post the problem is people ignore the evidence out there and assume they know more about a team with their tinted shades on than what the evidence shows. But if your only argument against facts and black and white is again, “what you listened to” or honestly just your thoughts. My argument is at rest because you’re doing exactly what I said, ignoring objective evidence. 

and I’m not sure what “type” of post you’re talking about, taking up for a number 1
RPI? Yes.  Because there’s proof out there,  not just someone’s opinion of it. I’m not sure why you keep bringing up last year, we got a 3rd place finish in RPI last year, BECAUSE OF A WEAK SCHEDULE. Haha. I know you’re not gonna provide any evidence to back up your claim or “weak
scheduling” other than opinions, that’s fine. It’s a message board you can. But I would appreciate if you’d answer those two questions. 


does FD deserve #1 RPI with their weak schedule, and should Johnson even be where they are with a 1.1 SoS?

Both CalPreps and Massey has Frederick Douglas ranked #1 in 5A, so yes I do consider them to be the top team in 5A.  FD also had a very impressive win over Bryan Station, as did Boyle County. Corbin's best win was a narrow one over a 1A team.

Most Corbin fans were sure that Corbin was the best team in 4A last season and they were still sure that Corbin was better than Johnson Central even after losing to them for the second consecutive season in a game that was not all that close. Corbin has not beaten a team as good as either Scott County or Lexington Catholic. One would expect that Corbin's fans who show a little humility after what happened last season. If I was not a Johnson Central graduate, I would probably be hoping for Corbin to win the title just to avoid a repeat of all of the whining about their coaches that followed last year's loss. 

I am finished with this discussion. Corbin and Johnson Central will probably play in week 3 and I will say in advance that if they play, then I will acknowledge that the winner of the game has the best team this season. I hope that Corbin fans will commit to doing the same.

So calpreps #1 ranking of FD is correct but we’ll just disregard the #4A ranking, oh and their SoS ranking haha. I’m sure you thought you were better than Franklin co and boyle both times too. And I can remember a certain fans crying saying if we didn’t have an injury it would have been a different game. I bet you are finished with it. I just  asked for proof of RPI and your rebuttal was your opinion. And you start talking about CORBIN again, and last year for some reason.  But again, it’s message board you can answer and say what you want. But you still didn’t answer the question about JC being where they are with a weak schedule they have over a team like Franklin co who has had to play a Scott county team, Ballard, Corbin, etc. you probably think I don’t like you, and whether you care or not, I do. But I don’t like people talking out of both sides and using one argument to defend their teams and the same to berate another’s. Or talking about fans crying or playing the “what if”
games when in fact I have quoted you doing the same exact thing. We get it, Corbin isn’t the king of the Ky. They have a number one ranking because of an objectively hard schedule that I proved with computer rating and Polls, and a biased fans opinion of them. But again, it’s a message board. Its meant for opinions and debates so I don’t have to tell you, you’re more than welcomed to an opinion. But I’m not talking about last year, fans, or even opinions. So feel free to reread my OP about RPI and respond with factual evidence and I’ll listen. Or keep going in the same and someone else can take it up.

The RPI sucks. It should be scrapped. Why do you think that I am the least bit interested in discussing the nuances of the RPI considering the very clear opinion that I have expressed about the RPI? Boyle County and Lexington Catholic have quality wins against better opponents than Corbin, but the RPI has Corbin #1. It won't matter if Corbin can't win its home playoff games anyway but nobody in their right mind would argue that the RPI accurately ranks teams or that it does not punish teams that play strong schedules. The RPI is influencing some schools' schedules and that is a real shame, IMO. Corbin may be the best team in 4A but their narrow win over Pulaski Co. is their most impressive win, IMO, so I would rank them behind both Boyle County and Lexington Catholic. As for Simon Kenton, we shall see how much good home field advantage will be for them in the playoffs.