[Bull got out!]

Pineville will travel to Hazard this Friday. 

Pineville (7-3)
Aug 19, 22 Phelps home (W) 51 - 0 
Aug 26, 22 Fairview away (W) 48 - 0 
Sep 2, 22 Paris home (W) 50 - 19 
Sep 9, 22 McCreary Central home (W) 44 - 6 
Sep 16, 22 Berea away (W) 36 - 29 
Sep 30, 22 Jackson County home (W) 51 - 0 
Oct 7, 22 Lynn Camp away (W) 45 - 6 
Oct 14, 22 Williamsburg home (L) 0 - 42 
Oct 21, 22 Harlan away (L) 20 - 42 
Oct 28, 22 Middlesboro away (L) 38 - 41


Hazard (6-4)
Aug 19, 22 Middlesboro home (W) 42 - 24 
Aug 26, 22 Harlan County away (W) 40 - 20 
Sep 2, 22 Breathitt County away (L) 27 - 29 
Sep 9, 22 Letcher County Central home (W) 52 - 50 
Sep 23, 22 Ashland Blazer home (W) 14 - 7 
Sep 30, 22 Somerset away (W) 30 - 13 
Oct 7, 22 Bardstown (L) 0 - 27 
Oct 14, 22 Sayre home (W) 25 - 21 
Oct 21, 22 Pikeville away (L) 7 - 52 
Oct 28, 22 Shelby Valley away (L) 27 - 28 


Thoughts?

[Slic Ric]

Hazard by 2 scores at home.

[Patriot1]

Hazard

[64SUR]

Beginning of the year I would have predicted a blowout now I’m not sure.

Hazard 35
Pineville 20

[Hambley]

I think Hazard wins this one. Not sure if Pineville has had injuries to r what but they struggled the last three games. Hazard is ripe for an upset but I think they win this one.

[RAM-A-DEVIL]

Hazard crushes pineville

[bac2369]

Hazard could of peaked too soon. But Smith basically not playing in 3 of the past 4 games has completely thrown them out of wack. He did play against Sayre but basically he’s been non existent since getting injuried. If Hazard wants to get back to normal then he needs to show up and show out. Max Johnson also needs to get touches via run or through the air. This game should be get some confidence back and try to be aggressive.

[TheStickyBandit]

Hazard by three scores.

Dawgs- 28
Pineville- 7

[Old School Hound]

Hazard has a better RPI than St. X so they must be great. I'll go Hazard. RPI never lies, does it?

[jetpilot]

Hazard has a better RPI than St. X  so they must be great.    I'll go Hazard.  RPI never lies, does it?

I’m going to have to find out who has the most students before I make any predictions. Or just look at calpreps.

[Old School Hound]

Hazard has a better RPI than St. X  so they must be great.    I'll go Hazard.  RPI never lies, does it?

I’m going to have to find out who has the most students before I make any predictions. Or just look at calpreps.

LOL .


I hear they are going to a new Ratings system next year.  Using something called the HPI (Hoot Percentage Index).  Teams are rated according to student enrollment numbers.  

[Hoot Gibson]

Hazard has a better RPI than St. X  so they must be great.    I'll go Hazard.  RPI never lies, does it?

I’m going to have to find out who has the most students before I make any predictions. Or just look at calpreps.

Just go back and look at the RPIs. You know, the system that is valid across all classes and places Pikeville in the top 3 teams in the state, along with Beechwood and Owensboro Catholic. 

Maybe KHSAA should forget about enrollment and classify teams for the next two seasons based on this season's RPI. Trinity or St. X would still crush any 1A (2022 class) team, but you would get to root for a 6A team for a couple of years - and as a 1A team, Trinity or Saint X might actually schedule the Panthers put your wacky theories to the test.

[Old School Hound]

Hazard has a better RPI than St. X  so they must be great.    I'll go Hazard.  RPI never lies, does it?

I’m going to have to find out who has the most students before I make any predictions. Or just look at calpreps.

Just go back and look at the RPIs. You know, the system that is valid across all classes and places Pikeville in the top 3 teams in the state, along with Beechwood and Owensboro Catholic. 

Maybe KHSAA should forget about enrollment and classify teams for the next two seasons based on this season's RPI. Trinity or St. X would still crush any 1A team, but you would get to root for a 6A team for a couple of years and as a 1A team, Trinity or Saint X might actually schedule the Panthers.

That is so class snobberish .   

[Hoot Gibson]

Hazard has a better RPI than St. X  so they must be great.    I'll go Hazard.  RPI never lies, does it?

I’m going to have to find out who has the most students before I make any predictions. Or just look at calpreps.

Just go back and look at the RPIs. You know, the system that is valid across all classes and places Pikeville in the top 3 teams in the state, along with Beechwood and Owensboro Catholic. 

Maybe KHSAA should forget about enrollment and classify teams for the next two seasons based on this season's RPI. Trinity or St. X would still crush any 1A team, but you would get to root for a 6A team for a couple of years and as a 1A team, Trinity or Saint X might actually schedule the Panthers.

That is so class snobberish .   

On the contrary, I am suggesting a system to level the playing field. If size doesn't matter, then 6A Pineville or 6A Pikeville are just as likely to be the best team in the state as any of the teams currently in 6A. Right?

[Old School Hound]

Hoot, in all seriousness, if Lynn Camp stepped out of the ring Friday night, and St. X showed up to play Pikeville instead, what would you predict for the final score?

Also, do you think Johnson Central would win at Pikeville?

[Hoot Gibson]

Hoot, in all seriousness, if  Lynn Camp stepped out of the ring Friday night, and St. X showed up to play Pikeville instead,  what would you predict for the final score? 

Also, do you think Johnson Central would win at Pikeville?

I have pledged to stop predicting running clocks, so I will decline to answer. Pikeville has a great 1A team, and I will leave it at that.

In this game, I think Hazard should win comfortably.

[Old School Hound]

Hoot, in all seriousness, if  Lynn Camp stepped out of the ring Friday night, and St. X showed up to play Pikeville instead,  what would you predict for the final score? 

Also, do you think Johnson Central would win at Pikeville?

I have pledged to stop predicting running clocks, so I will decline to answer. Pikeville has a great 1A team, and I will leave it at that.

In this game, I think Hazard should win comfortably.

Fair enough.  But you really think JC would "run the clock" on Pikeville ?

[Hoot Gibson]

Hoot, in all seriousness, if  Lynn Camp stepped out of the ring Friday night, and St. X showed up to play Pikeville instead,  what would you predict for the final score? 

Also, do you think Johnson Central would win at Pikeville?

I have pledged to stop predicting running clocks, so I will decline to answer. Pikeville has a great 1A team, and I will leave it at that.

In this game, I think Hazard should win comfortably.

Fair enough.  But you really think JC would "run the clock" on Pikeville ?

I think that Pikeville would have given JC a good game early in the season, following the loss of Carter Conley. I think that any of the top 4 teams in 4A would beat Pikeville by a comfortable margin now.

[Patriot1]

Hoot, in all seriousness, if  Lynn Camp stepped out of the ring Friday night, and St. X showed up to play Pikeville instead,  what would you predict for the final score? 

Also, do you think Johnson Central would win at Pikeville?

I have pledged to stop predicting running clocks, so I will decline to answer. Pikeville has a great 1A team, and I will leave it at that.

In this game, I think Hazard should win comfortably.

Fair enough.  But you really think JC would "run the clock" on Pikeville ?

I think that Pikeville would have given JC a good game early in the season, following the loss of Carter Conley. I think that any of the top 4 teams in 4A would beat Pikeville by a comfortable margin now.

So now only higher class school improve but not the lower classes now I am not arguing that Pikeville would beat any of those schools but they wouldn’t lay down for any of them either that is a biased statement since your school is 4A

[Hoot Gibson]

Hoot, in all seriousness, if  Lynn Camp stepped out of the ring Friday night, and St. X showed up to play Pikeville instead,  what would you predict for the final score? 

Also, do you think Johnson Central would win at Pikeville?

I have pledged to stop predicting running clocks, so I will decline to answer. Pikeville has a great 1A team, and I will leave it at that.

In this game, I think Hazard should win comfortably.

Fair enough.  But you really think JC would "run the clock" on Pikeville ?

I think that Pikeville would have given JC a good game early in the season, following the loss of Carter Conley. I think that any of the top 4 teams in 4A would beat Pikeville by a comfortable margin now.

So now only higher class school improve but not the lower classes now I am not arguing that Pikeville would beat any of those schools but they wouldn’t lay down for any of them either that is a biased statement since your school is 4A

Johnson Central lost their entire OL from last season. That OL now has a full season of experience. JC also lost a running back early in the season who was averaging nearly 150 yards per game. He was replaced by a running back who started as a sophomore but had rushed only once this season when Carter Conley was injured. Johnson Central is leading the state in rushing, in all classes. Their average yardage per carry is down slightly because they lost the top lineman in the state and some other outstanding players from the OL, but I don't think that Pikeville would slow down JC's rushing game.

Nobody would expect for Pikeville to lay down for any of the 4A or larger schools, but the fact is that Pikeville lost its only two games against good teams from bigger schools. I know that they have improved since the Corbin and Covington games because their offense looked pretty bad in those two games - but it is hard to judge how much they have improved because of the quality of teams that they have beaten during their current winning streak.

I concede that JC has not played a strong schedule during their winning streak either, but they are playing the same sort of schedule that has been preparing them for the 4A finals in 6 of the past 7 seasons, so I believe that they are good enough to make it there again, but that is not to say that they will. JC will probably need to depend more on its defense this season because Grant Bingham is not out in front of the running backs creating running space for them. That being said, Johnson Central's OL is playing very well and depending on how deep JC's playoff run is, they could finish with three 1,000 yard rushers.

I really don't understand this seeming need on the part of some Pikeville fans for everybody else to believe that the Panthers are capable of beating any team in the state. They are not. Neither is JC, Corbin, Lexington Catholic, or Boyle County. Most fans are just happy to see their teams win the state title in the class in which they are competing. It's nice when you manage to beat a good team from a larger school, but that should be a bonus when it happens. From this time forward, teams will only be playing within their own classes and that is really all that matters. Prior wins and losses don't mean squat, but results of games that will never be played mean even less.

[Hound05]

I think Hazard wins this one. Not sure if Pineville has had injuries to r what but they struggled the last three games. Hazard is ripe for an upset but I think they win this one.

I think they struggled because of the opposing team, nothing that pineville did. First 3/4’s of the schedule was pretty easy. Then they ran into teams that can play. I hope pineville wins it. I like seeing small eky teams prevail. But I just don’t think they got it. Plus it being on the road. I think it might still be a decent game though.

[Hound05]

Hazard has a better RPI than St. X  so they must be great.    I'll go Hazard.  RPI never lies, does it?

I’m going to have to find out who has the most students before I make any predictions. Or just look at calpreps.

Population wise, hazard gets the nod, therefore more talent to pull from, which ALWAYS gives the advantage. I’m just playing. 

but you three have made me laugh. Keep it up.

[Patriot1]

I agree with the part you should believe in your team’s ability to make it to the championship game and I have never said Pikeville could beat anyone and right now Lynn camp is the only team that matters but your statement about beating some team or any team comfortably is purely speculation and in some cases is true but not all and what is the definition of comfortably 7,14,21,28 it’s just more of an opinion and we all know that saying and I know that statement about Pikeville beating everyone has come from some but not all Pikeville fans believe that

[Hoot Gibson]

I agree with the part you should believe in your team’s ability to make it to the championship game and I have never said Pikeville could beat anyone and right now Lynn camp is the only team that matters but your statement about beating some team or any team comfortably is purely speculation and in some cases is true but not all and what is the definition of comfortably 7,14,21,28 it’s just more of an opinion and we all know that saying and I know that statement about Pikeville beating everyone has come from some but not all Pikeville fans believe that

Is there any prediction that is not pure speculation? Some predictions sound more ridiculous to most people than others, but none of us have a working crystal ball. I was asked what I thought about how a game between Pikeville and JC would turn out, and I answered the question.

Some, and I am not saying you, seem to think that losing an early season game with a green OL and having a stud running back break his leg on his first carry of the game, and then losing the following game to a very talented Ironton team on the road, was evidence that Johnson Central was "down" this season, but that Pikeville only lost its first two games because their coaching staff had the wrong player taking snaps at quarterback. 

Now, many Corbin fans believe that their team is much improved this season. So, if Johnson Central loses on the road at Corbin, should that be taken as proof that Corbin is better than last season, or proof that Johnson Central is not as good as they were last season? I say neither. Two different seasons and two different teams. If Johnson Central and/or Corbin get upset and that game never takes place, then I would speculate that to mean that the team(s) that gets upset was probably not as good as last season's team. I think that it is always better to build up potential opponents because it makes beating them seem like a bigger accomplishment for your own team.

I apologize to the Pineville and Hazard posters for helping take this thread off on a tangent. I am not responding to any more questions about Pikeville, Corbin, or Johnson Central here.

[BlackcatAlum]

I think Pineville makes a game of it, but Pelfrey and Johnson end up being the difference for the Dawgs.

Hazard wins, 35-22.

[Hound05]

I agree with the part you should believe in your team’s ability to make it to the championship game and I have never said Pikeville could beat anyone and right now Lynn camp is the only team that matters but your statement about beating some team or any team comfortably is purely speculation and in some cases is true but not all and what is the definition of comfortably 7,14,21,28 it’s just more of an opinion and we all know that saying and I know that statement about Pikeville beating everyone has come from some but not all Pikeville fans believe that

I agree with hoot and you. If you don’t have confidence in your team, there’s a problem. 

As far as a pikeville and JC game. I still
believe that without a doubt no one would win that game comfortably. Pikeville has lost two games to two very good teams. Since those losses, their schedule has gotten weaker, which is natural for about every team in the state.  JC has lost two games as well. One to an out of state team. The other to a NL team who is avg. The reason I give pikeville the edge in this speculative game is LCC. JC struggled with them. And that same team lost to a hazard team PHS just smoked.  That and just based on results of the season, which is pretty much the only thing one can go by. But even giving them the nod. The aren’t gonna have an easy game with the eagles. I’d say barring a complete meltdown. 4A-1A top 2-3 teams in each class wouldnt have a comfortable win. Comfortable to me is 21+, because if they scored and kicked an onside and got it back and scored. Still be down 7. Odds of getting two more onside kicks back to back. I think I read where since the new rules onside kicks were successful around around 8% of the time. And that’s just one.

[Hound05]

I agree with the part you should believe in your team’s ability to make it to the championship game and I have never said Pikeville could beat anyone and right now Lynn camp is the only team that matters but your statement about beating some team or any team comfortably is purely speculation and in some cases is true but not all and what is the definition of comfortably 7,14,21,28 it’s just more of an opinion and we all know that saying and I know that statement about Pikeville beating everyone has come from some but not all Pikeville fans believe that

I apologize to the Pineville and Hazard posters for helping take this thread off on a tangent. I am not responding to any more questions about Pikeville, Corbin, or Johnson Central here.

We all helped take this thread
off topic.  But the only mention of Corbin, was by you. No one asked anything about them. Pikeville and JC are kinda connected to hazard because of OO games. But every thread gets off topic some

[Hound05]

I think Pineville makes a game of it, but Pelfrey and Johnson end up being the difference for the Dawgs.

Hazard wins, 35-22.

I’ve watched pineville on Hudl. They are a good little team. Not a whole lot of depth, but common for eky teams. I can see them holding within 21 or so.

[Old School Hound]

Hoot, in all seriousness, if  Lynn Camp stepped out of the ring Friday night, and St. X showed up to play Pikeville instead,  what would you predict for the final score? 

Also, do you think Johnson Central would win at Pikeville?

I have pledged to stop predicting running clocks, so I will decline to answer. Pikeville has a great 1A team, and I will leave it at that.

In this game, I think Hazard should win comfortably.

Fair enough.  But you really think JC would "run the clock" on Pikeville ?

I think that Pikeville would have given JC a good game early in the season, following the loss of Carter Conley. I think that any of the top 4 teams in 4A would beat Pikeville by a comfortable margin now.

You mean Corbin, Boyle,  Lex Cath, and Warren Easst  ???  

Comfortable margin?  Idk.

I have a feeling Jetpilot may beg to differ with you.  I think Pikeville is capable of hanging with any of the 4's , all of the 5's except for one, and most of the 6's with the exception of the very upper echelon.

[bac2369]

Hazard needs to put a running clock on pineville.