[cuppett777]

anyone doing this live? tv wise or internet

[Granny Bear]

WYMT H&I channel

[Granny Bear]

Game is under lightening delay

[Glory_Days]

thanks Granny, I was wondering why I was watching the WYMT weatherman

[Patriot1]

I am watching Andy Griffith during the lightning delay

[cuppett777]

thanks granny i found it, i am not watching Andy
but listening,lol

[Bull got out!]

Game is now on live. (H&I) WYMT 2

[irishcard16]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

[HSFOOTBALL]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

[EKUAlum05]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

[irishcard16]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Are you really serious right now? You compared bourbon to Louisville central? You went on and on about how we can’t beat anybody outside of 3a.

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I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

“Give me Bourbon in a 35-28 barn burner or Belfry in a 21-7 snooze fest.  Could honestly see either happening.” 


Well that didn’t happen. Did it? A running clock before the 4th quarter is what actually happened.

[HSFOOTBALL]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

[pirateforlife]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

You need to go back and check the scores if you think JC and Louisville Central were beating Belfry soundly in 2011 and 2012.

[EKUAlum05]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

Beating you guys soundly?



2011: 
Louisville Central beat Belfry 15-14
Johnson Central beat Belfry 21-14

2012:
Belfry beat Johnson Central 17-12
Central beat Belfry 12-6 in OT


Central outscored Belfry by one point in those two meetings in regulation, Belfry went 1-1 against Johnson Central those two years with a TD margin.

Beating soundly is not accurate at all.

[HSFOOTBALL]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Are you really serious right now? You compared bourbon to Louisville central? You went on and on about how we can’t beat anybody outside of 3a.

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I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

“Give me Bourbon in a 35-28 barn burner or Belfry in a 21-7 snooze fest.  Could honestly see either happening.” 


Well that didn’t happen. Did it? A running clock before the 4th quarter is what actually happened.

LMFAO you're living in a LaLa land, you are literally quoting what I say and purposefully misinterpreting it.  I said you get rolled outside of 3a and that still hold true.  You beat a middle to bottom of the road 4a football team and you think that changes?  Pikeville has beat ya like a dog for the last 3 years, thank the big man for covid or LCA would have beat you by 50 last year, Louisville Central who didn't make it to the the 3rd round of 4a beat the red off your jerseys, JC has owned you since 2017 and you just lost to a Pulaski County team who most likely wont make it the 2nd round of playoffs. Those are all facts undisputable, and beating a Bourbon County team that traveled 3hrs after school to wait in a 3 hour weather delay isn't my idea of a marquee win.
So yes, while I did say Belfry would win, my score prediction was off, and for that I apologize to the almighty Haywood faithful.

[irishcard16]

I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Are you really serious right now? You compared bourbon to Louisville central? You went on and on about how we can’t beat anybody outside of 3a.

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I think Belfry gets this one as Pond Creek is a tough place to play, and Bourbon obviously struggled to tackle last week because I saw that they gave up almost 400yds rushing.  An interesting thought though, Belfry has not won a game outside of 3a in 2 years and if Bourbon is able to pull it off Friday, that has a strong chance to make it to 3 years.

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

“Give me Bourbon in a 35-28 barn burner or Belfry in a 21-7 snooze fest.  Could honestly see either happening.” 


Well that didn’t happen. Did it? A running clock before the 4th quarter is what actually happened.

LMFAO you're living in a LaLa land, you are literally quoting what I say and purposefully misinterpreting it.  I said you get rolled outside of 3a and that still hold true.  You beat a middle to bottom of the road 4a football team and you think that changes?  Pikeville has beat ya like a dog for the last 3 years, thank the big man for covid or LCA would have beat you by 50 last year, Louisville Central who didn't make it to the the 3rd round of 4a beat the red off your jerseys, JC has owned you since 2017 and you just lost to a Pulaski County team who most likely wont make it the 2nd round of playoffs. Those are all facts undisputable, and beating a Bourbon County team that traveled 3hrs after school to wait in a 3 hour weather delay isn't my idea of a marquee win.
So yes, while I did say Belfry would win, my score prediction was off, and for that I apologize to the almighty Haywood faithful.

Love you. You’re my favorite person on here. You can taken the lead for me. Keep it up. You’re doing a great job. Beautiful thing about those trophies it just says state champion it doesn’t say state champion of a weak 3a and can’t beat anybody else. 

My guess somewhere at some point you or your team lost to Belfry and it just baffles you that a podunk school in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of mountain kids who don’t have the “measurable” as the fancy kids down state do is able to maintain the success that the Belfry program has had. 

And while no you have not directly downed the program or the team per say your backhanded comments haven’t went unnoticed so you can play both sides all you want to. And no beating bourbon Co is not the end all be all. But dominating them like we should and expect to, is progress sir. 

Enjoy it, like EKU said. The run is starting now. The next 4-5 years could very well look like it did 2013-2016. Huge influx of young talented players with depth coming off back to back MS state championships. And almost all those players are getting early playing time which only means they’re gonna be veterans before we know it.

[HSFOOTBALL]

Well there goes that narrative. Oh well. We almost got ran off the field with all those athletes, lucky we hung on at the end.

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

Beating you guys soundly?



2011: 
Louisville Central beat Belfry 15-14
Johnson Central beat Belfry 21-14

2012:
Belfry beat Johnson Central 17-12
Central beat Belfry 12-6 in OT


Central outscored Belfry by one point in those two meetings in regulation, Belfry went 1-1 against Johnson Central those two years with a TD margin.

Beating soundly is not accurate at all.

I gotcha, that's my bad I was thinking of 2013-14 which you also included in your 6 year stretch. When JC outscored you 89-28 ... mathematically of course.  Would you say that was dominant?

[pirateforlife]

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

Beating you guys soundly?



2011: 
Louisville Central beat Belfry 15-14
Johnson Central beat Belfry 21-14

2012:
Belfry beat Johnson Central 17-12
Central beat Belfry 12-6 in OT


Central outscored Belfry by one point in those two meetings in regulation, Belfry went 1-1 against Johnson Central those two years with a TD margin.

Beating soundly is not accurate at all.

I gotcha, that's my bad I was thinking of 2013-14 which you also included in your 6 year stretch. When JC outscored you 89-28 ... mathematically of course.  Would you say that was dominant?

Why don’t you add in 2015? Belfry beat JC 41-0 that year.

[EKUAlum05]

What narrative?  The post literally says "I think Belfry gets this one..."  LMAO.   I wasn't able to stay up and watch the game, but it sounded like there was a lot going on and heard the Bourbon County players didn't get home to 5am.  EIther way it went as expected for me.  Bourbon struggled with the run against WJ the week before, obviously they were going to struggle with the run against Belfry.

Enjoy 3a my guy... bc those Pirates get rolled everywhere else.

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

Beating you guys soundly?



2011: 
Louisville Central beat Belfry 15-14
Johnson Central beat Belfry 21-14

2012:
Belfry beat Johnson Central 17-12
Central beat Belfry 12-6 in OT


Central outscored Belfry by one point in those two meetings in regulation, Belfry went 1-1 against Johnson Central those two years with a TD margin.

Beating soundly is not accurate at all.

I gotcha, that's my bad I was thinking of 2013-14 which you also included in your 6 year stretch. When JC outscored you 89-28 ... mathematically of course.  Would you say that was dominant?

Winning back to back State titles (including beating Central in 2014).

Losing a game that was closer than the score in 2013 to a very good 4A Johnson Central and then losing a 2014 game where Belfry I think was missing 8 starters to once again a 4A team that was ranked in the Top 5 of their class.

2013: Belfry beat the brakes off a Somerset team who went all the way to the 2A Semi's and lost by a point to NCC. Belfry also beat a 5A Harlan County team that might have been the best team they have had since. They also beat a Christian Academy of Knoxville team who was the defending state champs. Belfry took down a great Bourbon County in the Semi's and then the best Wayne County team in history who smoked all comers until belfry beat them on a cold/wet day in the Finals.

You are a big Bourbon guy... so I would think you would attest that the 2013 Bourbon team was probably the best in school history outside of that Dudley Hilton title team. They laid waste to everything in their path until Belfry took care of business against them. No team had been able to stay within 4 TD's of Bourbon until Belfry went to Paris and took them out.

2014:
This was probably the weakest Belfry team of that stretch but they still took care of Central in the Finals and posted a season opening win over 6A Henry Clay that surprised a lot of people because Belfry dominated throughout. Belfry beat two 5A teams in Southwestern and Harlan County.. Southwestern went to the Regional Finals that year.

In other words.. 2013 and 2014 Belfry clearly showed they were worthy of their hardware. 2014 probably was the least impressive team of that 4 year title run, the Pirates relied heavily on a strong Sophomore Class. With that said, I would think if anyone would not question how good that 2013 team was it would be you having seen them first hand knock off your alma mater. Speaking of which.. I think I took some avatar bets that week that never got paid off? Were you one of those unpaid bets? Maybe I should go in the archives to see?

[HSFOOTBALL]

Considering we know how good Belfry can be when the talent pool is up...

It may be more appropriate to tell the rest of the state to enjoy beating Belfry while they are reloading... unfortunately with the exception of Ashland by a slim margin in 2020... 3A teams were not able to take advantage of this fact.

With the number of Freshman and Sophomores playing key minutes for Belfry this year (I want to say 12 of the starting 22 spots are Freshmen or Sophomores), the Pirates will be the huckleberry to all comers like they were from 2011-2016 soon enough.

Belfry definitely benefitted from a weak 3A two of the past three years, no denying that (although as mentioned previously Belfry would have been just fine in 2A in 2019), but to be fair, a large reason the class was so weak is because Belfry was in their leanest stretch of depth, roster size, and talent and took a significant drop off from their 2015 & 2016 teams who noone outside of the best of 6A would have felt confident beating.


**SIDE NOTE: I fully expect Belfry not to be 3A much longer. It would surprise me if Belfry is not a 2A school in the next realignment.**

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

Beating you guys soundly?



2011: 
Louisville Central beat Belfry 15-14
Johnson Central beat Belfry 21-14

2012:
Belfry beat Johnson Central 17-12
Central beat Belfry 12-6 in OT


Central outscored Belfry by one point in those two meetings in regulation, Belfry went 1-1 against Johnson Central those two years with a TD margin.

Beating soundly is not accurate at all.

I gotcha, that's my bad I was thinking of 2013-14 which you also included in your 6 year stretch. When JC outscored you 89-28 ... mathematically of course.  Would you say that was dominant?

Winning back to back State titles (including beating Central in 2014).

Losing a game that was closer than the score in 2013 to a very good 4A Johnson Central and then losing a 2014 game where Belfry I think was missing 8 starters to once again a 4A team that was ranked in the Top 5 of their class.

2013: Belfry beat the brakes off a Somerset team who went all the way to the 2A Semi's and lost by a point to NCC. Belfry also beat a 5A Harlan County team that might have been the best team they have had since. They also beat a Christian Academy of Knoxville team who was the defending state champs. Belfry took down a great Bourbon County in the Semi's and then the best Wayne County team in history who smoked all comers until belfry beat them on a cold/wet day in the Finals.

You are a big Bourbon guy... so I would think you would attest that the 2013 Bourbon team was probably the best in school history outside of that Dudley Hilton title team. They laid waste to everything in their path until Belfry took care of business against them. No team had been able to stay within 4 TD's of Bourbon until Belfry went to Paris and took them out.

2014:
This was probably the weakest Belfry team of that stretch but they still took care of Central in the Finals and posted a season opening win over 6A Henry Clay that surprised a lot of people because Belfry dominated throughout. Belfry beat two 5A teams in Southwestern and Harlan County.. Southwestern went to the Regional Finals that year.

In other words.. 2013 and 2014 Belfry clearly showed they were worthy of their hardware. 2014 probably was the least impressive team of that 4 year title run, the Pirates relied heavily on a strong Sophomore Class. With that said, I would think if anyone would not question how good that 2013 team was it would be you having seen them first hand knock off your alma mater. Speaking of which.. I think I took some avatar bets that week that never got paid off? Were you one of those unpaid bets? Maybe I should go in the archives to see?

Every state title Belfry has they were worthy of their hardware, that's not debatable, you don't get there and win it without being worthy of it. That's where all of this gets twisted, and it has nothing to do with Belfry, more so their fans, and even more so, the ones who light candles every night to pictures of Haywood.  I appreciate a good fan, I can't stand a delusional fan and a vast majority of the Belfry fan base seems to fall into the latter.  So to bring some of you back down to earth, it's easy to point out that you have benefited from a traditionally weak 3a football since the restructure.  That's not Belfry's fault, that's what size their school is and it just so happens that there isn't another reputable 3a program in Eastern Ky. again, not their fault, but it also doesn't make them the best football team in the state or anywhere close to it, and that has been proven year in and year out when they play out of 3a.

[EKUAlum05]

Yea, I didn't say they 2024 Pirates get rolled, because I haven't seen them play.  All comers is definitely stretch, and I can't give you 2011 or 2012 because JC and Lville Central were still beating you guys soundly, but 2013-2016 would have won 1,2 or 3a you are correct.

Beating you guys soundly?



2011: 
Louisville Central beat Belfry 15-14
Johnson Central beat Belfry 21-14

2012:
Belfry beat Johnson Central 17-12
Central beat Belfry 12-6 in OT


Central outscored Belfry by one point in those two meetings in regulation, Belfry went 1-1 against Johnson Central those two years with a TD margin.

Beating soundly is not accurate at all.

I gotcha, that's my bad I was thinking of 2013-14 which you also included in your 6 year stretch. When JC outscored you 89-28 ... mathematically of course.  Would you say that was dominant?

Winning back to back State titles (including beating Central in 2014).

Losing a game that was closer than the score in 2013 to a very good 4A Johnson Central and then losing a 2014 game where Belfry I think was missing 8 starters to once again a 4A team that was ranked in the Top 5 of their class.

2013: Belfry beat the brakes off a Somerset team who went all the way to the 2A Semi's and lost by a point to NCC. Belfry also beat a 5A Harlan County team that might have been the best team they have had since. They also beat a Christian Academy of Knoxville team who was the defending state champs. Belfry took down a great Bourbon County in the Semi's and then the best Wayne County team in history who smoked all comers until belfry beat them on a cold/wet day in the Finals.

You are a big Bourbon guy... so I would think you would attest that the 2013 Bourbon team was probably the best in school history outside of that Dudley Hilton title team. They laid waste to everything in their path until Belfry took care of business against them. No team had been able to stay within 4 TD's of Bourbon until Belfry went to Paris and took them out.

2014:
This was probably the weakest Belfry team of that stretch but they still took care of Central in the Finals and posted a season opening win over 6A Henry Clay that surprised a lot of people because Belfry dominated throughout. Belfry beat two 5A teams in Southwestern and Harlan County.. Southwestern went to the Regional Finals that year.

In other words.. 2013 and 2014 Belfry clearly showed they were worthy of their hardware. 2014 probably was the least impressive team of that 4 year title run, the Pirates relied heavily on a strong Sophomore Class. With that said, I would think if anyone would not question how good that 2013 team was it would be you having seen them first hand knock off your alma mater. Speaking of which.. I think I took some avatar bets that week that never got paid off? Were you one of those unpaid bets? Maybe I should go in the archives to see?

Every state title Belfry has they were worthy of their hardware, that's not debatable, you don't get there and win it without being worthy of it. That's where all of this gets twisted, and it has nothing to do with Belfry, more so their fans, and even more so, the ones who light candles every night to pictures of Haywood.  I appreciate a good fan, I can't stand a delusional fan and a vast majority of the Belfry fan base seems to fall into the latter.  So to bring some of you back down to earth, it's easy to point out that you have benefited from a traditionally weak 3a football since the restructure.  That's not Belfry's fault, that's what size their school is and it just so happens that there isn't another reputable 3a program in Eastern Ky. again, not their fault, but it also doesn't make them the best football team in the state or anywhere close to it, and that has been proven year in and year out when they play out of 3a.

I'll be honest, I am not sure where you are going with your argument then?

The restructure to six classes occurred in 2007. I think you are completely wrong labelling 3A football as weak since the restructure 15 years ago.

3A has definitely been weak for the past three years, I have said that proudly myself, but on the whole, it has been the epitome of what you expect for 3A for good or better. There has been a few years where I would have taken the best two or three teams in 3A over 4A. By and large I would say as a class, 3A is exactly what you would expect for the picture of 15 years. Some years are stronger than others with the best teams being up, some years you had 1A and 2A powerhouse programs  who probably we're better than the best of the class... it's small school football and that is going to be the cyclical nature.

Since 2007, Belfry has thrived existing only in this class. It's not fair to say "What if they were in 4A?" because they aren't a 4A school... if you said that for 2A... then I would say they would have had probably the same amount of success if not slightly better during this 15 year stretch. Would they have titles in 2021 and 2019? Probably not. Would they have won the title in some of the years they didn't? Probably so. If you want to say Belfry wouldn't have had this success in the old 4-class system.. well yeah... you would be right... but that's not what we have. You also would probably have three or four other blue blood programs that wouldn't have had the same success either.

It sounds like you are reaching to find any argument because you don't like the Belfry fanbase. Hey.. I get it... fair enough if you take issue... there are some delusional fans on here or have been on here. When this website was formed it was from an EKY starting population base right as the Belfry program was starting to take off to that next level and the height of this site was during the highwater mark of the Belfry program. Of course you are going to have a great number of Belfry fans and with that the delusional fans would be here in a higher quantity as well. I see some stuff on other sites for delusional fans from some WKY powerhouses, NKY powerhouses as well. Heck.. that 2013 special Bourbon County team had some real pieces of work who came out of the woodwork as well.

I am also going to make an inference and put words in your mouth, so forgive me, but I also get the impression you also have a little bit of a rub with Coach Haywood and either think he shouldn't deserve the accolades or he should have some form of asterisk to his status. It seems between the little comments like the one bolded above and the crux of the argument you are reaching for about "weak class", is so you can basically put a bigger argument together against Haywood's merits. That's a whole discussion we can have another day if so. 

Nonetheless, what is non-debatable is the fact Belfry won 2 state titles in the old 4-class system and 6 state titles since the 6-class system playing against the schools that were put by the KHSAA to be on equal footing as them. They also have 3 Runner-Ups in the old class system and 4 Runner-Ups in the new system playing teams deemed to be on equal footing. Philip Haywood didn't necessarily build Belfry from the ground up, but all of these Final Appearances save one in 1979 were under his watch. He has been coaching forever and that has helped him become the State's winningest coach no doubt, but he has also consistently put winning teams who have been unafraid to schedule up for that same long period of time. He did all this at a Rural Public County School in the economic constraints of coal mining country using what most consider to be an antiquated offensive philosophy. Pretty impressive and "Dems the facts".

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Irish and EKU…I applaud your efforts!  HS Football is a huge Bourbon Co fan….and if it’s who I think it is….he’s still smarting  from those losses to Belfry in 2012 and 2013.  A lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda pours out the mouths of the BC faithful over those losses.  Honestly…..regarding the Belfry faithful who post on here…..a number of them dropped off after 2016.  Several more slowed down after 2019.  I really haven’t seen many obnoxious posters…… so again…..hard feeling drive the hatred.  And yes, it’s hatred.  Plain and simple.

[irishcard16]

Irish and EKU…I applaud your efforts!  HS Football is a huge Bourbon Co fan….and if it’s who I think it is….he’s still smarting  from those losses to Belfry in 2012 and 2013.  A lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda pours out the mouths of the BC faithful over those losses.  Honestly…..regarding the Belfry faithful who post on here…..a number of them dropped off after 2016.  Several more slowed down after 2019.  I really haven’t seen many obnoxious posters…… so again…..hard feeling drive the hatred.  And yes, it’s hatred.  Plain and simple.

Makes sense. And is about what I figured.

[Glory_Days]

"I can't stand a delusional fan" - go figure

[Thrillex]

Weird...there is a strong correlation of Belfry State Championships and Boyle playing up a class.

[irishcard16]

Weird...there is a strong correlation of Belfry State Championships and Boyle playing up a class.

Nobody said there wasn’t? Or with Louisville central? Lol 

Both would beat us most years.

[HSFOOTBALL]

Beating you guys soundly?



2011: 
Louisville Central beat Belfry 15-14
Johnson Central beat Belfry 21-14

2012:
Belfry beat Johnson Central 17-12
Central beat Belfry 12-6 in OT


Central outscored Belfry by one point in those two meetings in regulation, Belfry went 1-1 against Johnson Central those two years with a TD margin.

Beating soundly is not accurate at all.

I gotcha, that's my bad I was thinking of 2013-14 which you also included in your 6 year stretch. When JC outscored you 89-28 ... mathematically of course.  Would you say that was dominant?

Winning back to back State titles (including beating Central in 2014).

Losing a game that was closer than the score in 2013 to a very good 4A Johnson Central and then losing a 2014 game where Belfry I think was missing 8 starters to once again a 4A team that was ranked in the Top 5 of their class.

2013: Belfry beat the brakes off a Somerset team who went all the way to the 2A Semi's and lost by a point to NCC. Belfry also beat a 5A Harlan County team that might have been the best team they have had since. They also beat a Christian Academy of Knoxville team who was the defending state champs. Belfry took down a great Bourbon County in the Semi's and then the best Wayne County team in history who smoked all comers until belfry beat them on a cold/wet day in the Finals.

You are a big Bourbon guy... so I would think you would attest that the 2013 Bourbon team was probably the best in school history outside of that Dudley Hilton title team. They laid waste to everything in their path until Belfry took care of business against them. No team had been able to stay within 4 TD's of Bourbon until Belfry went to Paris and took them out.

2014:
This was probably the weakest Belfry team of that stretch but they still took care of Central in the Finals and posted a season opening win over 6A Henry Clay that surprised a lot of people because Belfry dominated throughout. Belfry beat two 5A teams in Southwestern and Harlan County.. Southwestern went to the Regional Finals that year.

In other words.. 2013 and 2014 Belfry clearly showed they were worthy of their hardware. 2014 probably was the least impressive team of that 4 year title run, the Pirates relied heavily on a strong Sophomore Class. With that said, I would think if anyone would not question how good that 2013 team was it would be you having seen them first hand knock off your alma mater. Speaking of which.. I think I took some avatar bets that week that never got paid off? Were you one of those unpaid bets? Maybe I should go in the archives to see?

Every state title Belfry has they were worthy of their hardware, that's not debatable, you don't get there and win it without being worthy of it. That's where all of this gets twisted, and it has nothing to do with Belfry, more so their fans, and even more so, the ones who light candles every night to pictures of Haywood.  I appreciate a good fan, I can't stand a delusional fan and a vast majority of the Belfry fan base seems to fall into the latter.  So to bring some of you back down to earth, it's easy to point out that you have benefited from a traditionally weak 3a football since the restructure.  That's not Belfry's fault, that's what size their school is and it just so happens that there isn't another reputable 3a program in Eastern Ky. again, not their fault, but it also doesn't make them the best football team in the state or anywhere close to it, and that has been proven year in and year out when they play out of 3a.

I'll be honest, I am not sure where you are going with your argument then?

The restructure to six classes occurred in 2007. I think you are completely wrong labelling 3A football as weak since the restructure 15 years ago.

3A has definitely been weak for the past three years, I have said that proudly myself, but on the whole, it has been the epitome of what you expect for 3A for good or better. There has been a few years where I would have taken the best two or three teams in 3A over 4A. By and large I would say as a class, 3A is exactly what you would expect for the picture of 15 years. Some years are stronger than others with the best teams being up, some years you had 1A and 2A powerhouse programs  who probably we're better than the best of the class... it's small school football and that is going to be the cyclical nature.

Since 2007, Belfry has thrived existing only in this class. It's not fair to say "What if they were in 4A?" because they aren't a 4A school... if you said that for 2A... then I would say they would have had probably the same amount of success if not slightly better during this 15 year stretch. Would they have titles in 2021 and 2019? Probably not. Would they have won the title in some of the years they didn't? Probably so. If you want to say Belfry wouldn't have had this success in the old 4-class system.. well yeah... you would be right... but that's not what we have. You also would probably have three or four other blue blood programs that wouldn't have had the same success either.

It sounds like you are reaching to find any argument because you don't like the Belfry fanbase. Hey.. I get it... fair enough if you take issue... there are some delusional fans on here or have been on here. When this website was formed it was from an EKY starting population base right as the Belfry program was starting to take off to that next level and the height of this site was during the highwater mark of the Belfry program. Of course you are going to have a great number of Belfry fans and with that the delusional fans would be here in a higher quantity as well. I see some stuff on other sites for delusional fans from some WKY powerhouses, NKY powerhouses as well. Heck.. that 2013 special Bourbon County team had some real pieces of work who came out of the woodwork as well.

I am also going to make an inference and put words in your mouth, so forgive me, but I also get the impression you also have a little bit of a rub with Coach Haywood and either think he shouldn't deserve the accolades or he should have some form of asterisk to his status. It seems between the little comments like the one bolded above and the crux of the argument you are reaching for about "weak class", is so you can basically put a bigger argument together against Haywood's merits. That's a whole discussion we can have another day if so. 

Nonetheless, what is non-debatable is the fact Belfry won 2 state titles in the old 4-class system and 6 state titles since the 6-class system playing against the schools that were put by the KHSAA to be on equal footing as them. They also have 3 Runner-Ups in the old class system and 4 Runner-Ups in the new system playing teams deemed to be on equal footing. Philip Haywood didn't necessarily build Belfry from the ground up, but all of these Final Appearances save one in 1979 were under his watch. He has been coaching forever and that has helped him become the State's winningest coach no doubt, but he has also consistently put winning teams who have been unafraid to schedule up for that same long period of time. He did all this at a Rural Public County School in the economic constraints of coal mining country using what most consider to be an antiquated offensive philosophy. Pretty impressive and "Dems the facts".

I don't agree with this, but its objective and can only be argued by opinion, so I'll leave it be.  I think Belfry would've been dominated in 2a over that stretch minus maybe 2012-2016, and I also think that Beechwood and Paintsville and Mayfield in 1a 
Couldn't be more wrong about my opinion on Haywood, you can go through my posts and see many instances of me calling him the GOAT.  The intention of my statement was highlight the craziness of some of the Belfry fan base.

[bucslover68]

Boyle had their chances in the old realignment and for some reason just couldn't make it to state. You play who's next up on the schedule, not some fantasy schedule. And for HS to say Pikeville has beaten Belfry like a drum, Nonsense. 3 straight with 2/3 down to the wire. I will take all our rings and pounding Pikeville 17/21 meetings any day. Believe me Boyle wanted no part of the 15-16 Pirates and we sure have held our own over the years with JC. They lead the renewal 9-6, but it has been a really good series.

[EKUAlum05]

I gotcha, that's my bad I was thinking of 2013-14 which you also included in your 6 year stretch. When JC outscored you 89-28 ... mathematically of course.  Would you say that was dominant?

Winning back to back State titles (including beating Central in 2014).

Losing a game that was closer than the score in 2013 to a very good 4A Johnson Central and then losing a 2014 game where Belfry I think was missing 8 starters to once again a 4A team that was ranked in the Top 5 of their class.

2013: Belfry beat the brakes off a Somerset team who went all the way to the 2A Semi's and lost by a point to NCC. Belfry also beat a 5A Harlan County team that might have been the best team they have had since. They also beat a Christian Academy of Knoxville team who was the defending state champs. Belfry took down a great Bourbon County in the Semi's and then the best Wayne County team in history who smoked all comers until belfry beat them on a cold/wet day in the Finals.

You are a big Bourbon guy... so I would think you would attest that the 2013 Bourbon team was probably the best in school history outside of that Dudley Hilton title team. They laid waste to everything in their path until Belfry took care of business against them. No team had been able to stay within 4 TD's of Bourbon until Belfry went to Paris and took them out.

2014:
This was probably the weakest Belfry team of that stretch but they still took care of Central in the Finals and posted a season opening win over 6A Henry Clay that surprised a lot of people because Belfry dominated throughout. Belfry beat two 5A teams in Southwestern and Harlan County.. Southwestern went to the Regional Finals that year.

In other words.. 2013 and 2014 Belfry clearly showed they were worthy of their hardware. 2014 probably was the least impressive team of that 4 year title run, the Pirates relied heavily on a strong Sophomore Class. With that said, I would think if anyone would not question how good that 2013 team was it would be you having seen them first hand knock off your alma mater. Speaking of which.. I think I took some avatar bets that week that never got paid off? Were you one of those unpaid bets? Maybe I should go in the archives to see?

Every state title Belfry has they were worthy of their hardware, that's not debatable, you don't get there and win it without being worthy of it. That's where all of this gets twisted, and it has nothing to do with Belfry, more so their fans, and even more so, the ones who light candles every night to pictures of Haywood.  I appreciate a good fan, I can't stand a delusional fan and a vast majority of the Belfry fan base seems to fall into the latter.  So to bring some of you back down to earth, it's easy to point out that you have benefited from a traditionally weak 3a football since the restructure.  That's not Belfry's fault, that's what size their school is and it just so happens that there isn't another reputable 3a program in Eastern Ky. again, not their fault, but it also doesn't make them the best football team in the state or anywhere close to it, and that has been proven year in and year out when they play out of 3a.

I'll be honest, I am not sure where you are going with your argument then?

The restructure to six classes occurred in 2007. I think you are completely wrong labelling 3A football as weak since the restructure 15 years ago.

3A has definitely been weak for the past three years, I have said that proudly myself, but on the whole, it has been the epitome of what you expect for 3A for good or better. There has been a few years where I would have taken the best two or three teams in 3A over 4A. By and large I would say as a class, 3A is exactly what you would expect for the picture of 15 years. Some years are stronger than others with the best teams being up, some years you had 1A and 2A powerhouse programs  who probably we're better than the best of the class... it's small school football and that is going to be the cyclical nature.

Since 2007, Belfry has thrived existing only in this class. It's not fair to say "What if they were in 4A?" because they aren't a 4A school... if you said that for 2A... then I would say they would have had probably the same amount of success if not slightly better during this 15 year stretch. Would they have titles in 2021 and 2019? Probably not. Would they have won the title in some of the years they didn't? Probably so. If you want to say Belfry wouldn't have had this success in the old 4-class system.. well yeah... you would be right... but that's not what we have. You also would probably have three or four other blue blood programs that wouldn't have had the same success either.

It sounds like you are reaching to find any argument because you don't like the Belfry fanbase. Hey.. I get it... fair enough if you take issue... there are some delusional fans on here or have been on here. When this website was formed it was from an EKY starting population base right as the Belfry program was starting to take off to that next level and the height of this site was during the highwater mark of the Belfry program. Of course you are going to have a great number of Belfry fans and with that the delusional fans would be here in a higher quantity as well. I see some stuff on other sites for delusional fans from some WKY powerhouses, NKY powerhouses as well. Heck.. that 2013 special Bourbon County team had some real pieces of work who came out of the woodwork as well.

I am also going to make an inference and put words in your mouth, so forgive me, but I also get the impression you also have a little bit of a rub with Coach Haywood and either think he shouldn't deserve the accolades or he should have some form of asterisk to his status. It seems between the little comments like the one bolded above and the crux of the argument you are reaching for about "weak class", is so you can basically put a bigger argument together against Haywood's merits. That's a whole discussion we can have another day if so. 

Nonetheless, what is non-debatable is the fact Belfry won 2 state titles in the old 4-class system and 6 state titles since the 6-class system playing against the schools that were put by the KHSAA to be on equal footing as them. They also have 3 Runner-Ups in the old class system and 4 Runner-Ups in the new system playing teams deemed to be on equal footing. Philip Haywood didn't necessarily build Belfry from the ground up, but all of these Final Appearances save one in 1979 were under his watch. He has been coaching forever and that has helped him become the State's winningest coach no doubt, but he has also consistently put winning teams who have been unafraid to schedule up for that same long period of time. He did all this at a Rural Public County School in the economic constraints of coal mining country using what most consider to be an antiquated offensive philosophy. Pretty impressive and "Dems the facts".

I don't agree with this, but its objective and can only be argued by opinion, so I'll leave it be.  I think Belfry would've been dominated in 2a over that stretch minus maybe 2012-2016, and I also think that Beechwood and Paintsville and Mayfield in 1a 
Couldn't be more wrong about my opinion on Haywood, you can go through my posts and see many instances of me calling him the GOAT.  The intention of my statement was highlight the craziness of some of the Belfry fan base.

We won't see eye to eye and nothing wrong with that!

I presume you meant Pikeville and not Paintsville? Because otherwise... "LOL.. Nope"


I will just leave this:
Calpreps does a pretty good job as a CPU ranking, especially once the season is over and all the data sets can be applied, as part of my research I have done for Belfry History here is something to chew on. No personal biases toward either of our arguments, just a CPU looking at stats for 2011-2021 for the state and Small Schools (3A, 2A, 1A)


The Obvious:
-  The CPU knows what everyone else does. Belfry was untouchable for small schools in 2015/2016.
-  The weakest Belfry teams who didn't even make it to the Semi-Finals in 2017 & 2018 reflect that by their poor class ranking in 3A.
- The 2021 Belfry team with so many losses obviously wasn't a powerful team despite winning a title.

The Interesting:


- The 2012 runner-up team the CPU's think would have won 2A, and in review I think I totally agree. They did see 1A Mayfield as a much better team and I agree as well looking back.

- 2013 the CPU compensate for this because it thought 2A DeSales was a better team by a super slim margin. The CPU had Belfry as #1 in 1A and 3A.

- The 2014 Belfry Championship team that I mentioned was arguably their weakest championship team aside from 2021 helps your argument. The CPU had them losing and finish 2nd in both 1A and 2A to Mayfield and DeSales. Once again though, it has DeSales and Belfry as interchangeable teams basically.



Really Interesting:
- 2019 Belfry surprises me and reinforces my earlier point that we aren't giving that team enough credit.

We all know 3A was a weak class, but Calpreps loved that Belfry team and had them as a Top 10 overall team in the State. They would have had them #1 in both 3A and 2A, Pikeville was the only smaller school ahead of them (they beat Belfry by a point that year in what everyone considered a major upset). Calpreps had that stupid good Johnson Central team as the #4 overall team in the State and that stupid good Boyle County team they beat at #5 but thought Belfry would have been the #3 team in 4A that year.

- For all of the talk about how weak 3A has been over the past few years (which I  agree) , DeSales, CAL, and Boyle County are a tough counter argument to take note of though it doesn't tell a perfect story of the facts.

DeSales and CAL were powerhouses in 2A and at the ends of their run in that class were consistently Top 15 programs in the State. That success to date has not translated in 3A. CAL is still strong but has underperformed in their playoff pushes. DeSales for a number of reasons has fallen off completely. 

Boyle County spent an entire realignment cycle in 3A and it only led to one State Title. They have had much more success since moving to 4A. Once again, this doesnt tell the whole story as Chuck Smith was just returning as they came back to 3A, and obviously he got that program kick started and Haddix has taken it to new levels.

Another team who fits this billing is also Bell County. The Bobcats won the 4A Title in 2010 and was a 4A powerhouse competing with Boyle before dropping to 3A in 2011. Since that drop Bell only has reached the Finals one time, when they lost to Belfry in 2019 and the Bobcats have not came close to reaching their 4A highwater marks. The argument here is an easy one.. Dudley Hilton left after 2010 until 2016. With that said, it is yet another instance of a program who was much stronger in another class until coming into 3A where they could not replicate that success.

[EKUAlum05]

Wont let me copy and paste the table

https://imgur.com/a/BzV0gaL