[Sci-Fi]

Oh, and you're talking about spelling huh? Look who spelled GOVERNMENT wrong.

[Hoot Gibson]

Oh, and you're talking about spelling huh? Look who spelled GOVERNMENT wrong.

Sarcasm detector broken, huh? You are as dense as a ton of lead.

[Sci-Fi]

Sarcasm detector broken, huh? You are as dense as a ton of lead.

Which is it, doth retract? First you twist my words and now you expect to let me watch you get by with a spelling error?

Doesn't work that way here in the echo chamber.

[Hoot Gibson]

Which is it, doth retract? First you twist my words and now you expect to let me watch you get by with a spelling error?

Doesn't work that way here in the echo chamber.

Your words require no twisting. Your brand of logic does that automagically.

[Sci-Fi]

Your words require no twisting. Your brand of logic does that BOLDautomagicallyBOLD.

I have a feeling you're trying to trap me in some form or fashion with this. I'm not falling for it Hoot.

[TheRealThing]

You forgot to mention lottery tickets- beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. To the professional non-working, able bodied "poor," those are all necessities.

I cringe when I watch people checking out using their "free" food card and then shelling out cash for lottery tickets and luxury items for which taxpayers are not yet on the hook.

You and me both. The truth is in the case of government as graft and waste exponentially consume our extorted generosity, it's far easier to just keep increasing taxes than to put forth any meaningful effort to manage those taxes with any degree of integrity. The vast majority of the Kings and Queens of both Houses, are too arrogant and self impressed to care about anything but themselves. And the deepstate are similarly smitten. Nobody's watching the store.

Therefore the very questionable apologetics by which welfare proceeds are distributed and to whom. In any case, I've been numb to Sci-Fi's brand of threadbare and faux concerns for quite some time now.

[Sci-Fi]

You and me both. The truth is in the case of government as graft and waste exponentially consume our extorted generosity, it's far easier to just keep increasing taxes than to put forth any meaningful effort to manage those taxes with any degree of integrity. The vast majority of the Kings and Queens of both Houses, are too arrogant and self impressed to care about anything but themselves. And the deepstate are similarly smitten. Nobody's watching the store.

Therefore the very questionable apologetics by which welfare proceeds are distributed and to whom. In any case, I've been numb to Sci-Fi's brand of threadbare and faux concerns for quite some time now.

I've been numb to Sci-Fi's brand of threadbare and faux concerns for some time now.

I'll elaborate on this. Are you not concerned that we have people in this country that are poor and unable to take care of themselves? Are you not concerned that we have people walking the streets, homeless, and need help but yet do not get what they need?

And then here we have, people like you wanting to take away the rights of those who are in need to be able to have access to food, water, money for necessities that they need. So what, a small portion of them are the type that take advantage. There are a small portion of people that take advantage of everything.

You have a problem with the ten people who abuse the welfare system, meanwhile tens of thousands of the rich get away with tax fraud and who knows what else to avoid having to pay the tax that they should have to pay.

[TheRealThing]

I've been numb to Sci-Fi's brand of threadbare and faux concerns for some time now.

I'll elaborate on this. Are you not concerned that we have people in this country that are poor and unable to take care of themselves? Are you not concerned that we have people walking the streets, homeless, and need help but yet do not get what they need?

And then here we have, people like you wanting to take away the rights of those who are in need to be able to have access to food, water, money for necessities that they need. So what, a small portion of them are the type that take advantage. There are a small portion of people that take advantage of everything.

You have a problem with the ten people who abuse the welfare system, meanwhile tens of thousands of the rich get away with tax fraud and who knows what else to avoid having to pay the tax that they should have to pay.

Supposedly you're the guy who considers current events and then bases his opinions on fact huh? I can tell you one thing for sure, you haven't a come close to verifying that the ratio of abusers/takers of the US welfare system is one in ten thousand. But such is why you libs do much better when limiting your discussions of these matters to yourselves. Because the moment you wade in on a forum with actual conservatives, we are forced to point out your distortions, mistruths and bad assumptions.

I know for a fact that a large number of people on welfare are in fact, both young and able bodied. I see them out all the time out buying stuff because I find myself in line with them. And I recognize the electronic benefit transfer card they swipe. But past that I already stated that I would be okay with it if I had any confidence at all that they'd been properly vetted as being factually needy. Even then they ought to have to report to some kind of job in order to qualify. Just sitting around the Hud-quarters is extremely presumptive IMHO.

But before libs can launch off into one of their canned arguments they must first make their usual false assertions. Not one person on this forum has ever indicated they were against the national safety net.

Genesis 3:19 (KJV)
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

1 Timothy 5:8 (KJV)
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

[Granny Bear]

I've been numb to Sci-Fi's brand of threadbare and faux concerns for some time now.

I'll elaborate on this. Are you not concerned that we have people in this country that are poor and unable to take care of themselves? Are you not concerned that we have people walking the streets, homeless, and need help but yet do not get what they need?

And then here we have, people like you wanting to take away the rights of those who are in need to be able to have access to food, water, money for necessities that they need. So what, a small portion of them are the type that take advantage. There are a small portion of people that take advantage of everything.

You have a problem with the ten people who abuse the welfare system, meanwhile tens of thousands of the rich get away with tax fraud and who knows what else to avoid having to pay the tax that they should have to pay.

First bold:
These are the kinds of folks that tend to get thrown away. The people who are in REAL need.

Second bold:
It isn't a small portion who is taking advantage. Last year Lexington, KY implemented a program that the police would intervene when they found someone begging for money. Not to arrest them, but to transport them to $8/hour jobs. You'd be amazed how many folks "in need" miraculously regained their ability to run once they were offered this option.

Third bold:
You can't seem to apply your theory "So what, a small portion of them are the type that take advantage" equally and without bias. Typical.

[Sci-Fi]

First bold:
These are the kinds of folks that tend to get thrown away. The people who are in REAL need.

Second bold:
It isn't a small portion who is taking advantage. Last year Lexington, KY implemented a program that the police would intervene when they found someone begging for money. Not to arrest them, but to transport them to $8/hour jobs. You'd be amazed how many folks "in need" miraculously regained their ability to run once they were offered this option.

Third bold:
You can't seem to apply your theory "So what, a small portion of them are the type that take advantage" equally and without bias. Typical.

See, that's just it - you want to throw them into jobs but how do YOU know they're capable of working? What makes a police officer the person that determines that?

I was exaggerating when I talked about how small the portion was. But the portion that takes advantage of welfare is extremely small.

[TheRealThing]

ttt

[TheRealThing]

See, that's just it - you want to throw them into jobs but how do YOU know they're capable of working? What makes a police officer the person that determines that?

I was exaggerating when I talked about how small the portion was. But the portion that takes advantage of welfare is extremely small.

I highly doubt sentence one, and the second sentence is a total distortion.

I gave you unquestionable moral justification for the able bodied to work for their substance. But that of course was ignored. So how about the medical justification for not sitting around the house?

Sedentary Lifestyle-
"A sedentary lifestyle is a type of lifestyle involving little or no physical activity. A person living a sedentary lifestyle is often sitting or lying down while engaged in an activity like reading, socializing, watching television, playing video games, or using a mobile phone/computer for much of the day. A sedentary lifestyle can potentially contribute to ill health and many preventable causes of death."

People who can, should work ABTW, holding down a job gives one far better mental health as well.

[Sci-Fi]

Medical justification for not sitting around the house?

If one isn't able to medically work, should they have to? People have illnesses, some of them do, and some of them they have depression which prevents them from working. They shouldn't be judged for it.

[TheRealThing]

Medical justification for not sitting around the house?

If one isn't able to medically work, should they have to? People have illnesses, some of them do, and some of them they have depression which prevents them from working. They shouldn't be judged for it.

Yeah sure. Welcome to the corner you painted yourself into. Nobody expects the infirm to work. But I guarantee you one thing, the infirm who're somewhat capable WANT to go work at something. Choosing to sit around, opposed to being limited to sitting around are two completely different mind sets.

When it comes down to it libs want to buy votes. They just couch the deception in glowingly human terms to conceal their actions.

[Sci-Fi]

Yeah sure. Welcome to the corner you painted yourself into. Nobody expects the infirm to work. But I guarantee you one thing, the infirm who're somewhat capable WANT to go work at something. Choosing to sit around, opposed to being limited to sitting around are two completely different mind sets.

When it comes down to it libs want to buy votes. They just couch the deception in glowingly human terms to conceal their actions.

When it comes down to it libs want to buy votes.

Do you even know what you're talking about? People forfeit their right to vote when they receive any kind of government assistance.

[TheRealThing]

When it comes down to it libs want to buy votes.

Do you even know what you're talking about? People forfeit their right to vote when they receive any kind of government assistance.

Like I said, you're a retread troll. You know nobody expects the disabled to work, so you go on to make another false statement in order to dodge on to new lies, when called on same. And you know libs like to use taxpayer money to buy votes and that's why you just blew smoke again. If illegal immigrants get to vote, (and they do), I can assure welfare recipients vote.

[Sci-Fi]

Like I said, you're a retread troll. You know nobody expects the disabled to work, so you go on to make another false statement in order to dodge on to new lies, when called on same. And you know libs like to use taxpayer money to buy votes and that's why you just blew smoke again. If illegal immigrants get to vote, (and they do), I can assure welfare recipients vote.

And you and Hoot are retreading at getting your butts kicked on every debate. I haven't dodged anything TRT. Libs don't like to use money to buy votes and as far as I'm concerned, if somebody sets foot and sets up house in the United States they should have a free say in what goes on. It's called democracy.

The majority of welfare recipients don't vote.

[TheRealThing]

And you and Hoot are retreading at getting your butts kicked on every debate. I haven't dodged anything TRT. Libs don't like to use money to buy votes and as far as I'm concerned, if somebody sets foot and sets up house in the United States they should have a free say in what goes on. It's called democracy.

The majority of welfare recipients don't vote.

If somebody on welfare doesn't vote it's not because, as your former post alleged, their legal right to vote has been taken away. It's because their prime concern on any given election day is their zombie kill count; that and the unbridled consumption of Mountain Dew and Cheetos.

And since reality for those of your ilk are the unfortunate mass delusions of those willfully beset by liberalism, your notion of winning any debates on here is as absurd as your lack of winning a single debate point.

[Sci-Fi]

The legal right to vote is not forfeited when they receive welfare. I would think when they vote it would be about who will protect their money stream - don't you? A Republican administration will kill that off. A Democrat administration will make sure they have it.

I will win plenty of debates on here. Just have to get more of my kind here. If I were of different kind I would have a lot more likes.

[TheRealThing]

The legal right to vote is not forfeited when they receive welfare. I would think when they vote it would be about who will protect their money stream - don't you? A Republican administration will kill that off. A Democrat administration will make sure they have it.

I will win plenty of debates on here. Just have to get more of my kind here. If I were of different kind I would have a lot more likes.

Incredible. Are these your words or not? "People forfeit their right to vote when they receive any kind of government assistance."

And by the way, you'd have to have at least one like before you can expect to get MORE likes.

[Sci-Fi]

I'm expecting we'll see Vector and Gitback Coach back soon. If that's the case, you bet I'll have plenty more than you do.

[TheRealThing]

I'm expecting we'll see Vector and Gitback Coach back soon. If that's the case, you bet I'll have plenty more than you do.

Go for it.

[Sci-Fi]

Go for it.

You won't out-debate us.

[Hoot Gibson]

The legal right to vote is not forfeited when they receive welfare. I would think when they vote it would be about who will protect their money stream - don't you? A Republican administration will kill that off. A Democrat administration will make sure they have it.

I will win plenty of debates on here. Just have to get more of my kind here. If I were of different kind I would have a lot more likes.

To win debates in this forum, you will need to recruit a group of very, very stupid Republicans to become members in order to level the playing field. I am sure that there are a few out there but I have never personally met any of them. nicker:

[Sci-Fi]

Hoot, I have toyed around with you time and time again on this thread. You guys keep posting links to Faux news and can't come up with a single solid thing in your brains to debate my points. Republicans have always been against helping the poor and yet you guys without an ounce of care in your heart also are against any kind of help for union workers. Republicans Yes, republicans are union busters. Of course, you guys don't care now, you don't need unions. People like you, that just use unions as a stepping stone, are the worst kind of scab.

We'll start here. Give us a complete rundown of what the tax cuts do to the middle class, with no outside help. Your words. Bottom line, you are just like me, and everybody else here, you don't have a clue on a lot about the tax cuts. Anything you know is republican talking points.

[Hoot Gibson]

Hoot, I have toyed around with you time and time again on this thread. You guys keep posting links to Faux news and can't come up with a single solid thing in your brains to debate my points. Republicans have always been against helping the poor and yet you guys without an ounce of care in your heart also are against any kind of help for union workers. Republicans Yes, republicans are union busters. Of course, you guys don't care now, you don't need unions. People like you, that just use unions as a stepping stone, are the worst kind of scab.

We'll start here. Give us a complete rundown of what the tax cuts do to the middle class, with no outside help. Your words. Bottom line, you are just like me, and everybody else here, you don't have a clue on a lot about the tax cuts. Anything you know is republican talking points.

Make no mistake about it, when it comes to toying around, you are a mouse, not a cat. :biglmao:

The 3 percent of taxpayers who pay half of the federal income taxes in this country and the 10 percent who pay 69 percent of all federal income taxes includes tens of millions of Republicans.

Is it fair that 50 percent of Americans pay 97 percent of federal income taxes? How much more should they be paying, in your opinion? When you say that you and I are clueless about the tax cuts, you are half right - which beats your typical accuracy rate by a wide margin.

[Sci-Fi]

Make no mistake about it, when it comes to toying around, you are a mouse, not a cat. :biglmao:

The 3 percent of taxpayers who pay half of the federal income taxes in this country and the 10 percent who pay 69 percent of all federal income taxes includes tens of millions of Republicans.

Is it fair that 50 percent of Americans pay 97 percent of federal income taxes? How much more should they be paying, in your opinion? When you say that you and I are clueless about the tax cuts, you are half right - which beats your typical accuracy rate by a wide margin.

When you say that you and I are clueless about the tax cuts, you are half right - which beats your typical accuracy rate by a wide margin.

Isn't that what you do, almost without fail. Because you claim the stats wrong, doesn't make it so. But, I just post what I post. Dispute what the CBO states, since you like to use their reports.

[Hoot Gibson]

When you say that you and I are clueless about the tax cuts, you are half right - which beats your typical accuracy rate by a wide margin.

Isn't that what you do, almost without fail. Because you claim the stats wrong, doesn't make it so. But, I just post what I post. Dispute what the CBO states, since you like to use their reports.

You don't even read what you post. For example, you have not posted anything in this thread that originated from the CBO. Even if you had, the CBO has a pretty poor track record of analyzing the cost. Its analysis showed that Obamacare would cost taxpayers nothing and would, in fact, save money. Obviously, that forecast was wildly inaccurate.

[Sci-Fi]

You don't even read what you post. For example, you have not posted anything in this thread that originated from the CBO. Even if you had, the CBO has a pretty poor track record of analyzing the cost. Its analysis showed that Obamacare would cost taxpayers nothing and would, in fact, save money. Obviously, that forecast was wildly inaccurate.

^ Give us a complete rundown of what the ACA does to the middle class, with no outside help. Your words. Bottom line, you are just like me, and everybody else here, you don't have a clue on a lot about the ACA. Anything you know is republican talking points.

[Hoot Gibson]

^ Give us a complete rundown of what the ACA does to the middle class, with no outside help. Your words. Bottom line, you are just like me, and everybody else here, you don't have a clue on a lot about the ACA. Anything you know is republican talking points.

I, and I alone, decide what I post.