[jetpilot]

^^^Liberals don't know anything about taxes because most of them don't pay any.

[Sci-Fi]

Not true Hoot, I never said that there was a national sales tax on top of the sales tax collected by each state. You're twisting my words. The sales tax is collected and then distributed to the federal government even though it's supposed to go to the state. Do you honestly believe that the state gives the money where it's supposed to go? No, they don't. Assuming you pay taxes, they give it to the federal government who puts YOUR tax dollars to waste using the money on various projects totally unrelated to what it's designed to do.

We've seen countless Republican administrations waste money and increase the national debt.

And as to Jetpilot's post, you can clearly see here how judgmental Republicans are toward the poor which is very unfortunate. This might be a hard question for you guys but should someone who makes very little money have to be burdened paying taxes in addition to all of the other financial burdens they have?

Republican answer yes, but compassionate answer no, friendo.

[TheRealThing]

Wow, did you really just say that? You should form your opinion through looking at everything and trusting what you see is making your best judgment. Absolutely unbelievable!

Yes you should. But like all libs you don't.

Where it comes to discerning the truth one ought to go to a higher authority, the Scriptures. And even more revealing to that end for Christians, is the gift of the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Not to say that there is no truth at all in political arguments, but I pity people who claim to base their opinion solely on political grounds. The fact is Republicans DO tend to base their beliefs on the conservative argument, which has traditionally been more closely aligned with God's tenets. Meanwhile the Dem's foolhardy adoption of separation of Church and State, along their insistent push to eliminate all ties and reference to the authority on which the founders based our system of self governance, has delivered nothing but chaos in DC, and therefore just about everywhere else in the US. And even more profoundly dishonorable, while insisting on the mass murder of the innocent, they cater to the so-called poor, and makes them feel righteous. I don't buy it.

[Sci-Fi]

Yes you should. But like all libs you don't.

Where it comes to discerning the truth one ought to go to a higher authority, the Scriptures. And even more revealing to that end for Christians, is the gift of the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Not to say that there is no truth at all in political arguments, but I pity people who claim to base their opinion solely on political grounds. The fact is Republicans DO tend to base their beliefs on the conservative argument, which has traditionally been more closely aligned with God's tenets. Meanwhile the Dem's foolhardy adoption of separation of Church and State, along their insistent push to eliminate all ties and reference to the authority on which the founders based our system of self governance, has delivered nothing but chaos in DC, and therefore just about everywhere else in the US. And even more profoundly dishonorable, while insisting on the mass murder of the innocent, they cater to the so-called poor, and makes them feel righteous. I don't buy it.

The fact is Republicans DO tend to base their beliefs on the conservative argument, which has traditionally been more closely aligned with God's tenets.

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[Sci-Fi]

Yes you should. But like all libs you don't.

Where it comes to discerning the truth one ought to go to a higher authority, the Scriptures. And even more revealing to that end for Christians, is the gift of the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Not to say that there is no truth at all in political arguments, but I pity people who claim to base their opinion solely on political grounds. (PUT IN BOLD LETTERS) The fact is Republicans DO tend to base their beliefs on the conservative argument, which has traditionally been more closely aligned with God's tenets. (PUT IN BOLD LETTERS) Meanwhile the Dem's foolhardy adoption of separation of Church and State, along their insistent push to eliminate all ties and reference to the authority on which the founders based our system of self governance, has delivered nothing but chaos in DC, and therefore just about everywhere else in the US. And even more profoundly dishonorable, while insisting on the mass murder of the innocent, they cater to the so-called poor, and makes them feel righteous. I don't buy it.

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[TheRealThing]

Poor people don't pay federal income taxes. There is no national sales tax. It really is that simple.

If Trump had eliminated federal income taxes on every federal taxpayer, the poor would have continued to pay federal taxes at the same rate - 0% of their income, and if they had no income, then 0% of $0 income would mean their tax bill would still be $0.

Liberals squeal every time federal taxpayers get to keep more of the money that they earned. They convince poor, under educated voters that if a rich person gets to keep an extra $1,000 of their own money, then Uncle Sam should write them a check for $1,000.

Federal income tax rate cuts should only benefit federal income taxpayers.

^^ Absolutely true. Taking money from taxpayers in order to give it (in some measure) to non-taxpayers is a form of extortion.

[Hoot Gibson]

Not true Hoot, I never said that there was a national sales tax on top of the sales tax collected by each state. You're twisting my words. The sales tax is collected and then distributed to the federal government even though it's supposed to go to the state. Do you honestly believe that the state gives the money where it's supposed to go? No, they don't. Assuming you pay taxes, they give it to the federal government who puts YOUR tax dollars to waste using the money on various projects totally unrelated to what it's designed to do.

We've seen countless Republican administrations waste money and increase the national debt.

And as to Jetpilot's post, you can clearly see here how judgmental Republicans are toward the poor which is very unfortunate. This might be a hard question for you guys but should someone who makes very little money have to be burdened paying taxes in addition to all of the other financial burdens they have?

Republican answer yes, but compassionate answer no, friendo.

When you have dug yourself into a rhetorical hole, the first thing you should do is to stop digging.

There is no national sales tax. You should have just acknowledged that you were mistaken. Instead, you doubled down by claiming that state sales taxes are actually not state taxes at all, but states collecting a federal sales tax and then sending it to Washington, DC.

Now, that hole that you have dug yourself into is collapsing upon your head.

FYI, not all states impose sales taxes. Among states that do collect sales taxes, rates range from 4 percent to 7.25 percent. A sales tax of 11.5 percent is imposed by Puerto Rico, but FYI, Puerto Rico is not a state.

As JetPilot said, liberals do not know much about taxes because most of them don't pay many taxes. What he did not say is that those liberals who do pay taxes really don't know much about how our economy works nor do they have a basic understanding of much else.

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.” - Ronald Reagan

[Sci-Fi]

Duck dive dip dodge. What else, o lad, can be brought on the wagon of word twisting today?

I never said there was a national sales tax - I said that the states collect it. It's supposed to be for the states but instead they send it to the federal goverment. And are you ever wrong, ALL states do impose sales taxes. ALL states impose withholding taxes. And of course, they do it with the intention (especially Republican states) of putting higher rates on the middle/low wage earners and lower rates on the high wage earners. By the way do you care to show any kind of proof that many of my kind don't pay taxes or have very little knowledge of how the economy works?

You are the one that dug yourself a hole Hoot. You, TRT, and JetPilot are going all over the place and have put yourselves in a very bad position here.

[TheRealThing]

You can’t set parameters in the middle of the game, friendo.

Poor people DO pay taxes - I said it before. Just because they get a refund back on their federal return, for taxes they SHOULDN'T have paid, means that they are going to take that money and put it back into the system. It's just like the pell grant for college. People get the money, they go to school, then they end up paying back more in taxes when they work. It's different when you're talking about the poor but if you're concerned because somebody who might struggle to make a living gets money back that they put BACK into the system - maybe they use that money to repair their house, buy food, gas, repair their car - all kinds of different needs. What do you think they pay on that? TAXES!

I don't know what the national sales tax rate is. Didn't it go up to 7% not too long ago, like the past year or two? I would bet that Donald Trump had something to do with that. Probably the Republican Party with those tax cuts. Probably raised the sales tax to cover the cuts to the rich. He's been in office two years and (other than the rich getting cuts) the middle class and poor are taking the hit. Can you imagine a country taxing the poor? LOL! I can't either but it certainly seems like that's what the goal is right now. Let the rich get by with big cuts and corporations get greedy with the additional money they have in their pockets to give to their CEOs.

So has Donald Trump weakened that safety net?

Answer: Yes.

Duck dive dip dodge. What else, o lad, can be brought on the wagon of word twisting today?

I never said there was a national sales tax - I said that the states collect it. It's supposed to be for the states but instead they send it to the federal goverment. And are you ever wrong, ALL states do impose sales taxes. ALL states impose withholding taxes. And of course, they do it with the intention (especially Republican states) of putting higher rates on the middle/low wage earners and lower rates on the high wage earners. By the way do you care to show any kind of proof that many of my kind don't pay taxes or have very little knowledge of how the economy works?

You are the one that dug yourself a hole Hoot. You, TRT, and JetPilot are going all over the place and have put yourselves in a very bad position here.

So, tell us all again how you never said there was a national sales tax. And if you want to see what going all over the place looks like, you might try reading your own post log.

[Sci-Fi]

See, I didn't LITERALLY mean we had national sales tax. Which of course, is a spin by you to keep the discussion on more familiar ground. You don't want to talk about the fact that taxes for the poor, for the middle class are increasing while taxes for the rich are lowered.

Your the one going all over the place, not me.

[TheRealThing]

See, I didn't LITERALLY mean we had national sales tax. Which of course, is a spin by you to keep the discussion on more familiar ground. You don't want to talk about the fact that taxes for the poor, for the middle class are increasing while taxes for the rich are lowered.

Your the one going all over the place, not me.

You said it, regardless. Clearly.

"I don't know what the national sales tax rate is. Didn't it go up to 7% not too long ago, like the past year or two? I would bet that Donald Trump had something to do with that."

No reasonable person would try to deny he wrote this. ^^

[Sci-Fi]

Your saying I wrote it, I'm saying I wrote it but didn't have the meaning you placed it as. Of course, all to avoid how the greedy rich and corporations have thrived lately.

[TheRealThing]

Your saying I wrote it, I'm saying I wrote it but didn't have the meaning you placed it as. Of course, all to avoid how the greedy rich and corporations have thrived lately.

You mocked Hoot because supposedly, he didn't know there was a national sales tax. You identified it in the quote I cited. Then you went on to decry the tax for having gone up to 7 percent. And then you said Trump was likely behind the tax. Now you're saying that wasn't what you said. What am I missing here and how many times do I need to quote you? At any rate, those little plastic talking points being fed to you by the Dimms don't hold up so well out in the real world it would seem.

[Sci-Fi]

You mocked Hoot because supposedly, he didn't know there was a national sales tax. You identified it in the quote I cited. Then you went on to decry the tax for having gone up to 7 percent. And then you said Trump was likely behind the tax. Now you're saying that wasn't what you said. What am I missing here and how many times do I need to quote you? At any rate, those little plastic talking points being fed to you by the Dimms don't hold up so well out in the real world it would seem.

I didn't mock Hoot for anything. You all have been the ones mocking me and have repeatedly avoided the topic of these rich, greedy CEOs and politicians that are causing the tax rates for the poor and middle class to be increased. The sales tax is BOLDsupposedBOLD to go to the states but are being used in other areas. What part of that is hard to comprehend?

O echo chamber, quote me all day because I'm yet to see anything standing up for the poor or middle class.

[Hoot Gibson]

So, tell us all again how you never said there was a national sales tax. And if you want to see what going all over the place looks like, you might try reading your own post log.

RV is either willfully ignorant to an extreme degree or extremely dishonest. I am not sure which is worse.

I waited a few days to respond to his ridiculous assertion that there is a 7 percent national sales tax in place because sometimes when a person is making a fool of himself, it is best to simply step aside and let him continue without interruption. nicker:

[Hoot Gibson]

See, I didn't LITERALLY mean we had national sales tax. Which of course, is a spin by you to keep the discussion on more familiar ground. You don't want to talk about the fact that taxes for the poor, for the middle class are increasing while taxes for the rich are lowered.

Your the one going all over the place, not me.

You need a sig containing a disclaimer to the effect that in case anybody thinks you have no grasp on reality, then they are just taking your words too literally.

[Hoot Gibson]

Duck dive dip dodge. What else, o lad, can be brought on the wagon of word twisting today?

I never said there was a national sales tax - I said that the states collect it. It's supposed to be for the states but instead they send it to the federal goverment. And are you ever wrong, ALL states do impose sales taxes. ALL states impose withholding taxes. And of course, they do it with the intention (especially Republican states) of putting higher rates on the middle/low wage earners and lower rates on the high wage earners. By the way do you care to show any kind of proof that many of my kind don't pay taxes or have very little knowledge of how the economy works?

You are the one that dug yourself a hole Hoot. You, TRT, and JetPilot are going all over the place and have put yourselves in a very bad position here.

Before I demonstrate again beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are clueless when it comes to taxes, may I assume that it is okay to take the bolded words literally, or did you capitalize "ALL" twice by accident? :biglmao:

Before you dig your super-sized crater deeper, you may want to look up the state sales tax rates for the following:

Alaska
Delaware
Montana
New Hampshire
Oregon

Here is a hint for you. None of the above states impose a sales tax on their residents.

[Sci-Fi]

Duck dive dip dodge and maybe I should add the term spin in the echo chamber Hoot. I said that ALL states collect sales tax and ALL states collect withholding taxes BUT didn't you see the separation part? Your trying to mix things up in saying that I believed all states collect both. Some states collect only sales tax, some states collect only withholding tax. Is there a state that collects neither? No, it's only one or the other.

In addition to being a rich anti-union capitalist, apparently perfect grammar is now required to be a Republican. Of course, every time you "debate" me it's about the way I worded something instead of defending against my points about the rich and greedy.

You want to talk 7%? That'll probably be the percentage of people who vote Republican.

[Sci-Fi]

You need a sig containing a disclaimer to the effect that in case anybody thinks you have no grasp on reality, then they are just taking your words too literally.

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[Hoot Gibson]

Duck dive dip dodge and maybe I should add the term spin in the echo chamber Hoot. I said that ALL states collect sales tax and ALL states collect withholding taxes BUT didn't you see the separation part? Your trying to mix things up in saying that I believed all states collect both. Some states collect only sales tax, some states collect only withholding tax. Is there a state that collects neither? No, it's only one or the other.

In addition to being a rich anti-union capitalist, apparently perfect grammar is now required to be a Republican. Of course, every time you "debate" me it's about the way I worded something instead of defending against my points about the rich and greedy.

You want to talk 7%? That'll probably be the percentage of people who vote Republican.

As I have often said, it takes two honest people to engage in an honest debate. Any debate that includes you falls short of that quorum.

[Sci-Fi]

As I have often said, it takes two honest people to engage in an honest debate. Any debate that includes you falls short of that quorum.

Admit it Hoot, you got schooled on that one.

But I will give you one thing. You're absolutely right Hoot, any debate that does include me falls short of that because there's no way you can prove my points about the rich wrong.

[Hoot Gibson]

Admit it Hoot, you got schooled on that one.

But I will give you one thing. You're absolutely right Hoot, any debate that does include me falls short of that because there's no way you can prove my points about the rich wrong.

Two sentences - in one, you stated that "ALL" states have a sales tax. In the second sentence, you stated that "ALL" states have a withholding tax. There was nothing ambiguous about those sentences, nor was there anything ambiguous when you claimed that there is a 7 percent national sales tax. When you paraphrased what you said by combining the two sentence and then claimed that yout grammar was being nit-picked, you lied.

Good night. Try to regroup and put up a better effort tomorrow. nicker:

[Sci-Fi]

Two sentences - in one, you stated that "ALL" states have a sales tax. In the second sentence, you stated that "ALL" states have a withholding tax. There was nothing ambiguous about those sentences, nor was there anything ambiguous when you claimed that there is a 7 percent national sales tax. When you paraphrased what you said by combining the two sentence and then claimed that yout grammar was being nit-picked, you lied.

Good night. Try to regroup and put up a better effort tomorrow. nicker:

Maybe you should regroup, again you keep sticking to that but you have said BOLDNOTHINGBOLD about my points on the rich.

[TheRealThing]

RV is either willfully ignorant to an extreme degree or extremely dishonest. I am not sure which is worse.

I waited a few days to respond to his ridiculous assertion that there is a 7 percent national sales tax in place because sometimes when a person is making a fool of himself, it is best to simply step aside and let him continue without interruption. nicker:

LOL. I predicted the left would be miserable as long as Trump sits the Oval Office and Obviously, I was right. When he wins reelection this time around, I fully expect to hear of some suicides.

[TheRealThing]

I didn't mock Hoot for anything. You all have been the ones mocking me and have repeatedly avoided the topic of these rich, greedy CEOs and politicians that are causing the tax rates for the poor and middle class to be increased. The sales tax is BOLDsupposedBOLD to go to the states but are being used in other areas. What part of that is hard to comprehend?

O echo chamber, quote me all day because I'm yet to see anything standing up for the poor or middle class.

^^ I let this slide for a while. Don't lump the poor and the middleclass together. It is the poor who live off the middleclass. And it is the middleclass who're being taxed into oblivion to provide those welfare benefits for the so-called poor. Many of whom don't work by choice.

Many of the middleclass say because of the enormity of the financial burden already imposed upon them by the ACA, they often choose not to go to the doctor themselves because they can no longer afford to pay the copays and insured coverage shortfalls. But I'd make a deal. If the authorities would positively verify that those receiving welfare benefits and ObamaCare really do require them to survive, I'd be okay with it. Somehow the idea of my buying beer and cigarettes and who knows what else for folks who'd just rather not work, strikes me the wrong way.

[Sci-Fi]

^^ I let this slide for a while. Don't lump the poor and the middleclass together. It is the poor who live off the middleclass. And it is the middleclass who're being taxed into oblivion to provide those welfare benefits for the so-called poor. Many of whom don't work by choice.

Many of the middleclass say because of the enormity of the financial burden already imposed upon them by the ACA, they often choose not to go to the doctor themselves because they can no longer afford to pay the copays and insured coverage shortfalls. But I'd make a deal. If the authorities would positively verify that those receiving welfare benefits and ObamaCare really do require them to survive, I'd be okay with it. Somehow the idea of my buying beer and cigarettes and who knows what else for folks who'd just rather not work, strikes me the wrong way.

If it wasn't for the ACA middle class wouldn't be able to afford to go to the doctors at all. Those copays would have been much higher had it not been for the ACA.

That's deeply offensive, Hoot mentioned that as well, about beer and cigarettes. What is it you both have with that?

[Hoot Gibson]

^^ I let this slide for a while. Don't lump the poor and the middleclass together. It is the poor who live off the middleclass. And it is the middleclass who're being taxed into oblivion to provide those welfare benefits for the so-called poor. Many of whom don't work by choice.

Many of the middleclass say because of the enormity of the financial burden already imposed upon them by the ACA, they often choose not to go to the doctor themselves because they can no longer afford to pay the copays and insured coverage shortfalls. But I'd make a deal. If the authorities would positively verify that those receiving welfare benefits and ObamaCare really do require them to survive, I'd be okay with it. Somehow the idea of my buying beer and cigarettes and who knows what else for folks who'd just rather not work, strikes me the wrong way.

You forgot to mention lottery tickets- beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. To the professional non-working, able bodied "poor," those are all necessities.

I cringe when I watch people checking out using their "free" food card and then shelling out cash for lottery tickets and luxury items for which taxpayers are not yet on the hook.

[Sci-Fi]

You forgot to mention lottery tickets- beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. To the professional non-working, able bodied "poor," those are all necessities.

I cringe when I watch people checking out using their "free" food card and then shelling out cash for lottery tickets and luxury items for which taxpayers are not yet on the hook.

You know if they did that they would be in serious trouble right? There's no way any kind of fraud like that would happen. It's a card and I'm pretty sure it can be tracked, what they use it for.

[Hoot Gibson]

If it wasn't for the ACA middle class wouldn't be able to afford to go to the doctors at all. Those copays would have been much higher had it not been for the ACA.

That's deeply offensive, Hoot mentioned that as well, about beer and cigarettes. What is it you both have with that?

You forgot to mention lottery tickets. People who are being supported by taxpayers should not be smoking, drinking alcohol, or gambling. That money should be going to feed and clothe their children. If the poor can afford luxuries, then they are taking more than they need from hard working taxpayers.

[Hoot Gibson]

You know if they did that they would be in serious trouble right? There's no way any kind of fraud like that would happen. It's a card and I'm pretty sure it can be tracked, what they use it for.

Sign up for a remedial reading class, RV. I never claimed that they were putting beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets on their giverment cards. They get two receipts.