[Hoot Gibson]

Slate is not a socialist website. Just because someone is a Democrat does not make them a socialist. Even Nancy Pelosi did an interview rejecting socialism recently.

As to that amendment, maybe we should amend that. And before you guys jump down on me, it's talking about protecting against invasion. That people on our own soil be protected against invasion. So we don't have Britain invading us like they did under George Washington and John Adams. It's not talking about letting people in for open borders.

Take a look at this - since Republicans are so big on the economy - and tell me that undocumented workers aren't important.

https://theconversation.com/why-care-abo...nomy-98790

It does not matter how many times that you or anybody else use euphemisms to describe illegal aliens, it does not change the fact that they are committing crimes every day that they remain in this country. They are only immigrants if our incompetent, uncaring government allow them to remain here permanently.

Allowing illegal aliens to reap federal benefits paid for by law abiding American citizen-taxpayers, including future generations who will inherit this generation's national debt, is nothing less than armed robbery and transfer of wealth to a large, organized group of criminals.

There is no doubt that illegal aliens constitute a large part of our economy, but the same is true of drug cartels, street gangs, and other criminal organizations. If this nation needs additional workers beyond the number of legal Americans in the workforce, then those additional workers should be legal residents who have demonstrated respect for our nation's laws.

[TheRealThing]

It does not matter how many times that you or anybody else use euphemisms to describe illegal aliens, it does not change the fact that they are committing crimes every day that they remain in this country. They are only immigrants if our incompetent, uncaring government allow them to remain here permanently.

Allowing illegal aliens to reap federal benefits paid for by law abiding American citizen-taxpayers, including future generations who will inherit this generation's national debt, is nothing less than armed robbery and transfer of wealth to a large, organized group of criminals.

There is no doubt that illegal aliens constitute a large part of our economy, but the same is true of drug cartels, street gangs, and other criminal organizations. If this nation needs additional workers beyond the number of legal Americans in the workforce, then those additional workers should be legal residents who have demonstrated respect for our nation's laws.

Yep. People keep arguing those points with the libs in government everyday, but the scary part is nobody's so stupid that they really need all this stuff explained to them. That being the case, the obvious intent (or plan) is to keep putting just one more on the immigration wagon until it ultimately fails.

There is but one way to stem the tide here, vote out Democrats and vet these so-called Republicans to determine that they're not another Paul Ryan or Jeff Flake. If the people will not get involved for the sake of they're own interests, we're had in any case.

[Hoot Gibson]

Yep. People keep arguing those points with the libs in government everyday, but the scary part is nobody's so stupid that they really need all this stuff explained to them. That being the case, the obvious intent (or plan) is to keep putting just one more on the immigration wagon until it ultimately fails.

There is but one way to stem the tide here, vote out Democrats and vet these so-called Republicans to determine that they're not another Paul Ryan or Jeff Flake. If the people will not get involved for the sake of they're own interests, we're had in any case.

I will never vote for a Democrat candidate at any level, but simply voting for Republican candidates will not solve the illegal alien invasion problem. If we had any reliable way of discerning between GOP candidates like Ryan and Flake from conservatives, then simply voting would be enough.

IMO, the problem is that the Republican establishment does not want this issue resolved. Until they are faced with overwhelming public opinion against illegal immigration, too many Republicans will continue to run as conservatives and govern as liberals. When Republicans fail to fulfill their conservative, anti-illegal alien campaign promises, then voters need to flock to their primary opponents. We need to have a zero-tolerance policy toward elected Republican representatives and vote for their Republican rivals at the first opportunity.

I am not optimistic that the tide of illegal immigration will be reversed during my lifetime. Republican businesses and big donors want cheap, illegal labor, and their greed is doing almost as much damage to this country as their liberal counterparts who are interested in nothing but growing their power in DC.

[TheRealThing]

I will never vote for a Democrat candidate at any level, but simply voting for Republican candidates will not solve the illegal alien invasion problem. If we had any reliable way of discerning between GOP candidates like Ryan and Flake from conservatives, then simply voting would be enough.

IMO, the problem is that the Republican establishment does not want this issue resolved. Until they are faced with overwhelming public opinion against illegal immigration, too many Republicans will continue to run as conservatives and govern as liberals. When Republicans fail to fulfill their conservative, anti-illegal alien campaign promises, then voters need to flock to their primary opponents. We need to have a zero-tolerance policy toward elected Republican representatives and vote for their Republican rivals at the first opportunity.

I am not optimistic that the tide of illegal immigration will be reversed during my lifetime. Republican businesses and big donors want cheap, illegal labor, and their greed is doing almost as much damage to this country as their liberal counterparts who are interested in nothing but growing their power in DC.

Hard to argue ^^ It Republicans got back in power it might be hard for them to stonewall the way they did in the first two years of Trump's term. Paul Ryan is a slime. Hence my 'down the drain analogy. :HitWall:

[Hoot Gibson]

Hard to argue ^^ It Republicans got back in power it might be hard for them to stonewall the way they did in the first two years of Trump's term. Paul Ryan is a slime. Hence my 'down the drain analogy. :HitWall:

I understand your point, I just don't completely agree with it. Republicans could not have passed any spending bills during his first two years in office without his signature - or without the GOP teaming with Democrats to override his vetoes. McConnell is at least as bad as Ryan was when it comes to securing our borders, IMO - maybe worse. He is a master at giving Republicans a chance to vote on both sides of an issue for political reasons.

Republican candidates like Flake can often point to failed amendments as evidence that they have been on the right side of an issue, regardless of which side is best for them during a campaign. Most voters are unwilling to invest the time to determine whether the person who they helped elect has kept or broken previous campaign promises.

It is the voter apathy that prevents so many of them from casting informed votes that makes me skeptical about living to see a secure southern border in this country. For the most part, voters do not hold the elected officials that they help elect accountable for failing to keep their campaign promises - or for failing to at least make a good faith effort to keep those promises.

[TheRealThing]

I understand your point, I just don't completely agree with it. Republicans could not have passed any spending bills during his first two years in office without his signature - or without the GOP teaming with Democrats to override his vetoes. McConnell is at least as bad as Ryan was when it comes to securing our borders, IMO - maybe worse. He is a master at giving Republicans a chance to vote on both sides of an issue for political reasons.

Republican candidates like Flake can often point to failed amendments as evidence that they have been on the right side of an issue, regardless of which side is best for them during a campaign. Most voters are unwilling to invest the time to determine whether the person who they helped elect has kept or broken previous campaign promises.

It is the voter apathy that prevents so many of them from casting informed votes that makes me skeptical about living to see a secure southern border in this country. For the most part, voters do not hold the elected officials that they help elect accountable for failing to keep their campaign promises - or for failing to at least make a good faith effort to keep those promises.

Well, I did say might.

But you know I'm no McConnell fan. To the libs on here it probably seems like we're exaggerating just a bit when we speak of our disdain for him. But I'm here to tell ya, voting for Mitch is not an easy thing to do.

[Hoot Gibson]

Well, I did say might.

But you know I'm no McConnell fan. To the libs on here it probably seems like we're exaggerating just a bit when we speak of our disdain for him. But I'm here to tell ya, voting for Mitch is not an easy thing to do.

I confess that I have never voted against McConnell but I have not voted in Kentucky in a long time. I can honestly say that I will never vote for Mitch again, although I will probably not have the chance to do so. It would be worth losing one Senate seat to get rid of McConnell. He has done more for the Democrat party than most of its own members have.

[Sci-Fi]

If anything Republicans are faced with overwhelming opposition the other way. It's more and more evident people want open borders.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/opini...ation.html

[Hoot Gibson]

If anything Republicans are faced with overwhelming opposition the other way. It's more and more evident people want open borders.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/opini...ation.html

When BGR begins handing out trophies for trolling, I am confident that you will be standing on the podium accepting a medal. Citing a NYT opinion piece as evidence that American people increasingly want open borders? Really? :biglmao:

[Sci-Fi]

When BGR begins handing out trophies for trolling, I am confident that you will be standing on the podium accepting a medal. Citing a NYT opinion piece as evidence that American people increasingly want open borders? Really? :biglmao:

When you don't know how to respond attack the source and the poster. Why don't you show me something better, if my source is so bad?

Because you can't. I truly believe that in most cases a representative for senator from a particular area represents what their people want first and foremost. Yet we're seeing Republican majorities struggle to pass any kind of legislation related to immigration. Face it, a majority of the people want open borders, a majority of the people believe that refugees should be taken care of, a majority of people believe that there should be NO border wall, and a majority of the people did NOT vote for Donald Trump. Simple as that, and if you don't believe the source I originally posted you can take a pick from below.

You're welcome!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rachel-...en-borders

[Hoot Gibson]

When you don't know how to respond attack the source and the poster. Why don't you show me something better, if my source is so bad?

Because you can't. I truly believe that in most cases a representative for senator from a particular area represents what their people want first and foremost. Yet we're seeing Republican majorities struggle to pass any kind of legislation related to immigration. Face it, a majority of the people want open borders, a majority of the people believe that refugees should be taken care of, a majority of people believe that there should be NO border wall, and a majority of the people did NOT vote for Donald Trump. Simple as that, and if you don't believe the source I originally posted you can take a pick from below.

You're welcome!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rachel-...en-borders

Your source was nothing but some liberal columnist's opinion and that's a fact.

[Sci-Fi]

Your source was nothing but some liberal columnist's opinion and that's a fact.

When you can't deny the facts and come up with something duck dive dip dodge. :hilarious:

[Hoot Gibson]

When you can't deny the facts and come up with something duck dive dip dodge. :hilarious:

What facts? You cited somebody else's opinion to support your own opinion. All you have proven is that you are intellectually too lazy to support your opinions with facts.

[Sci-Fi]

What facts? You cited somebody else's opinion to support your own opinion. All you have proven is that you are intellectually too lazy to support your opinions with facts.

A majority of people are against the wall and support amnesty, don't you think? This isn't about the issue itself Hoot. It's about the fact that a majority of people hold my position.

[Hoot Gibson]

A majority of people are against the wall and support amnesty, don't you think? This isn't about the issue itself Hoot. It's about the fact that a majority of people hold my position.

Even if that were true, and it is not true, poll results cannot turn a wrong into a right. Criminal aliens do not belong in this country.

[Sci-Fi]

Even if that were true, and it is not true, poll results cannot turn a wrong into a right. Criminal aliens do not belong in this country.

Hoot, I think most people would agree that immigrants, documented and undocumented, should be vetted.

[Hoot Gibson]

Hoot, I think most people would agree that immigrants, documented and undocumented, should be vetted.

I certainly agree. Illegal aliens are criminals. They should be vetted and then promptly deported.

[Sci-Fi]

Check it out Hoot open borders are helping Singapore.