[TheRealThing]

Following their meeting, a reporter at the Helsinki Conference between Trump and Putin asked Trump if he would take the opportunity to state to the world whether he believed Putin's response to Russian election meddling or the position of the US Intelligence Community. Trump bought up the fact that we still haven't seen the servers and Putin brought up the fact that there was 400 million dollars worth of campaign contributions made to the Clinton campaign coming out of Russia. I cannot imagine a more outrageous gotcha setup, nor could the effort have been any more transparent. Since when does some bozo reporter suppose himself worthy to drive US foreign policy? Answer, the curiously timed indictments last Friday and election night 2016.

At this moment the US Intelligence Community (by all reports) have stated that they never got their hands on the DNC servers (and others) which were supposed to have been hacked. Instead, when FBI investigators tried to get their hands on the servers, on-site DNC officials told them no dice and threw them out of the place. Subsequent efforts by the FBI were steadfastly met with Dim stonewalling.
THE HILL---
The FBI requested direct access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) hacked computer servers but was denied, Director James Comey told lawmakers on Tuesday.

The bureau made “multiple requests at different levels,” according to Comey, but ultimately struck an agreement with the DNC that a “highly respected private company” would get access and share what it found with investigators.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-secur...nc-servers

This soap opera-ish saga, ongoing now for two years and which is so far based on nothing, has now gone global as the press corps at today's proceeding had the gall to drape dirty laundry all over the world stage. So where does that leave us?

The most succinct answer would be in La-La Land. Without the server, all the US has by way of concrete evidence is the word of John Podesta and the DNC I suppose. I for one would prefer the US not push the Helsinki meeting to the threshold of a televised international falling out between this world's greatest nuclear superpowers, but that's just me.

The liberal press corps to include the devious Neil Cavuto, are doing flip flops nonetheless, and calling our President's post meeting press conference performance a national disaster. Meanwhile John Brennan who represents the finest of our Intel community in the minds of the media, tweeted while the President's words still hung in the air the word "traitorous" to describe Mr Trump's statement. So Brennan can call the sitting President a traitor as he stands on the world stage alongside Vladimir Putin, but the President has no right to ask for the server which started the whole mess in the first place? News flash, Putin's no idiot. If we have the goods on Russia there are much better ways to deal with the matter than to call him out like highschoolers shouting over the lunch tables. But past that would not a US Intelligence Community examination of the server answer the question about the extent of Russian interference rather profoundly?

I don't blame MR Trump for not taking the bait. The reporter who no doubt considers himself an epic genius, was trying to spark a shoving match between world leaders. Turns out he's somewhat short of that grand status because his effort failed. That didn't stop Neil Cavuto and his hastily garnered hit parade of neverTrumper libs from doing a spontaneous hit job on the President anyway. Hopefully Cavuto's audience will finally realize his act. I for one am out.

[Granny Bear]

I've been out for a while now.

[TheRealThing]

The media are more wise and informed than the President and his entire state department these days. I mean, by way of showdown Reagan did tell MR Gorbachev to "tear down this wall." A statement his having made caused to own state department to go into convulsions as I understand it. He certainly was not about to face off against him on TV and threaten him though, I can tell you that. But during the Obama Administration Putin communicated directly with the American people on matters of foreign policy in an op-ed published in the New York Times. IMHO, the only thing that separated Obama from making complete capitulation with Russia, as I have already stated in the other thread, seemed to have been lack of the required time to do so. What, other than complete capitulation could ever top the ridiculousness of the reset button?

It's incredible to see these writhing and faked, newly found pangs of patriotism on the part of the left. Especially after having had to endure the turbo charged backup gear of the past administration.

[4_real]

TrumpTrain: Next stop, Treasonville.

[4_real]

Look man, we fight back and forth in this country. Left vs. right. Dem vs. Rep. It's what we do. But damn, what in the world is going on when we got the president siding with the KGB over the CIA.

[Granny Bear]

I think that's a little extreme to say that Trump sided with the KGB.

I'm disappointed in how the summit went down too, and I blame that on Trump's lack of political correctness.

But that lack of PC is what attracted me in the first place. This summit could have been better....a LOT better.....but I still back what Trump is doing.

[4_real]

We cans have that debate, PC not PC. But where we all should find common ground in is that Russia/bad guys. Democrats/Republicans (while not perfect) good guys. He sided with Russia yesterday. I couldn't believe it.

[TheRealThing]

We cans have that debate, PC not PC. But where we all should find common ground in is that Russia/bad guys. Democrats/Republicans (while not perfect) good guys. He sided with Russia yesterday. I couldn't believe it.

You don't have the first clue WHAT kind of law was laid down in the four hour long summit. But after Trump and Putin go into that setting and get some things worked out, how stupid would it have been for Trump to come out and then shoot his mouth off like Hulk Hogan on WWE Smackdown? Ridiculous don't quite cut it.

Name one time in history that you can think of when a US President stood on stage with the leader of a nuclear superpower and read him the riot act?

But in getting back to the idea of the thread starter, the media were saying all manner of negative things against the President for speaking with Putin prior to the meeting even taking place. They blasted him for doing so from every possible angle and once it was over their apocalyptic analysis was based on raw speculation. Six major areas of agreement between our two nations were achieved. Their fear was that MR Trump's summit would be successful and that would make him look good before the 2018 midterms. This whole media circus is a sham.

[TheRealThing]

Look man, we fight back and forth in this country. Left vs. right. Dem vs. Rep. It's what we do. But damn, what in the world is going on when we got the president siding with the KGB over the CIA.

This President is not siding with Russia. The last time Syria gassed it's own people the US attacked Syrian military bases and destroyed them. Over a hundred Syrian soldiers died in the attack along with dozens of Russian troops. You can call that siding with the KGB if you want to, (the KGB no longer exists BTW) but that one fact alone is what has Putin's hackles up in the air.

The US has never in history, ever tried to openly prosecute US military policy through the media. Now your hero Oblah,blah, blah was a different story and if you think his way was right then I feel sorry for you. But we're handling things behind the scenes the way they always have and should be handled, and we've had the best of those things so far. Anderson Cooper et-al, who after getting a thrill up their leg and getting all creamy over the reset button, are suddenly acting like military hawks because of the possible political gains they think they could make in slamming the President's performance in the post summit press conference.

So let me ask again. Other than the Obama led amateur hour, at what time or during what administration did the US ever allow reporters to guide the hand of the President or his cabinet members on matters of national defense? The SALT Treaty for example, which limits nuclear proliferation, was hammered out entirely behind closed doors and then presented to 'the people' of this land. The press had zippo to do with it and the generals and federal government had everything to do with it. End of story.

[Granny Bear]

We cans have that debate, PC not PC. But where we all should find common ground in is that Russia/bad guys. Democrats/Republicans (while not perfect) good guys. He sided with Russia yesterday. I couldn't believe it.

I do agree with you to a point, but nobody knows what was said and done in that summit. You only know what was spoon fed to you by media and other folks who are speculating.

Even you have to admit that none of those people are objective.

[Granny Bear]

Well, I feel better after hearing Trump's news conference just now. I like to hear HIM speak and not the media's interpretation of what they want us to hear.

[4_real]

You can't make this up...He now says he meant the complete opposite of what he said. Spin that TRT.

[Granny Bear]

You don't have to "spin" it unless you are searching for something to argue. Most of you guys use magnifying glasses so have at it.

[TheRealThing]

You can't make this up...He now says he meant the complete opposite of what he said. Spin that TRT.

Hilarious. "D" handle pullers never get it. You're all told what to think, and even in saying that I'm giving credit where it's not due because none of 'the resistance' against the President is based in fact or in deed. In short there is no talking point so shallow or so thin, that many on the left would not run with it like it was a scroll from the library of Alexandria or something. It's all based in lies, innuendo, contempt or manufactured antipathy. According to the Dimm's stated manifesto, all they really care about is deposing the President. And that being the case, they are therefore quite prepared to take any path that might be required of them in order to do so. They don't care one whit whether he's actually guilty of wrongdoing or err. They don't care about a surging economy, rising feelings of cooperation between the US and other world powers. Nor do they care about the dwindling number of those on foodstamps, or the best unemployment/labor participation statistics in decades. The list goes a lot further but then if you cared about all that we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Of course I must clarify something here, I'm not deluding myself about the origination point of all the gifts this nation enjoys. To whatever extent, MR Trump is merely the Lord's instrument for present day. Our blessings come down to us from God: James 1:16-17 (KJV)
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

To the press conference. It was scripted for the most part, I mean, do you really think all of Putin's and Trump's remarks were spontaneous? And as such the proceedings coming out of the conference were for appearances sake, mostly eyewash. That said, Trump did flub up somewhat as I did hear him stumble a bit and seemed not as polished when he was reading from his prepared statement. Do you realize that this is a verifiable fact which may be taken from the text of the statement as prepared by his staff? What do you suppose Sarah Huckabee Sanders and the bulk of that tremendous staff the President had with him were there for? Just to make a good looking entourage?

The original text is verifiable but heaven help us, were his domestic enemies ever ready to pounce at any sign of a mistake. And for those like Paul Ryan whom never have a word of praise the President, but who nonetheless delighted in immediately jumping up on Trump's statement as being unacceptable or otherwise traitorous, they are themselves little better in my mind. So, I would bet that when Obama was making his apology tour in which he said... "America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" it didn't put any kind of cocklebur under your saddle blanket now did it? Further, I am not aware of one time that Trump has ever lied to Americans, I do know however of several occasions when the media tried to say he lied to Americans. And I would bet major bucks that MR Trump did not pat Putin on the arm and ask him to wait until after the midterms or the Presidential election of 2020 before Putin forced any further of his demands on the US.

Seriously, did you really not consider that MR Obama had to have known exactly what Putin was demanding of the US before Obama asked for more time so that he could comply in that direction, and that at a time more suited to his liking? You don't think he might have been worried that should news of his giving the okey doke get out to voters prior to the election, that could seriously jeopardize his election chances? Putin was to forestall his hand to whatever extent until after the election. :please:

I'm just saying, give this one the old hail mary if you must. But I cannot see that you guys have a ghost of a chance to get rid of a duly elected President over what many say was a minor offense in view of the many good things which were accomplished.

[TheRealThing]

You can't make this up...He now says he meant the complete opposite of what he said. Spin that TRT.

You don't have to "spin" it unless you are searching for something to argue. Most of you guys use magnifying glasses so have at it.

And even then what we're really talking about here is a mere repetition of talking points on his part. I used to say that libs all have their opinions handed to them but frankly, at this point I seriously doubt that things even go that deep.

Yesterday, as Sebastian Gorka walked out of a building, a face in the crowd yelled out the word "Fascist!" in his direction. Dr Gorka decided to speak with the man about the matter and asked him to define what he meant by calling him a fascist. The best the guy could do in his own defense was to lamely stammer out the fact that he was a fascist because he had worked in the Trump Administration. That was the depth of this man's knowledge and understanding of the slur he had just cast. In other words he had picked up the slur listening to the rant of some rabid lib on TV and didn't have he first clue what a fascist was. Who cares anyway right? The idea here is to be nasty.

Equally uninformed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 28 year old New York socialist who just upset Joe Crowley in that primary race, is unable to speak intelligently to a anti-Semitic tweet she made in support of Palestine. When asked about it on TV, she couldn't begin to justify why Jews were inherently bad and Palestinians were evidently inherently good. Most lib/progressive/socialists are blissfully ignorant of the truth, the best most can boast is if to merely repeat what they heard one of their college profs say. A situation though obviously quite indefensible, is only barely more honorable than just making stuff up out of thin air I guess.

EXCERPT---
"While her primary victory has certainly made the young New Yorker a new “rising star” in the Democratic Party, all the new attention seems to have come at a price, particularly as she now aims to court major Democratic Party donors as the general election approaches. Many of those donors, such as the Zionist entertainment billionaire Haim Saban, are unlikely to be supportive of her past positions on key issues, particularly her prior statements on Israel and Palestine."
https://www.mintpressnews.com/ocasio-cor...ne/245950/

LOL, she might have deep feelings about Jews and Palestinians. But not so deep that she would not rollover for a nice campaign contribution from a Jew.

Similarly, the vast majority of those associated with the so-called 'resistance' are completely incapable of speaking to the matter of their own intolerance with any degree of lucidity whatever. Ask the guy who just keyed your new car why he would do such a thing and see if the answer makes any sense. I promise you it will not. Ask the arsonist why he would mindlessly burn down a building, or people who vandalize graves sites, or school buildings, or public parks why? They can't answer. But look up the psychological profiles for people who commit such offense and you will find maladjusted neer-do-wells who because they do not work have too much time on their graffiti paint encrusted hands.

You might be asking yourself why I chose to take this tack with the conversation? Dems have been actively recruiting the shallow among us to do their subversive bidding. Hence the marches and rioting of the Obama era. And Mr Obama was just speaking about this in Johannesburg. Incredibly, I guess the guy just doesn't think people can remember past yesterday. But past that, citing the life of Nelson Mandela in the name of non-violence is incredibly arrogant. Mandela if you will recall, used the terror tactic called 'necklacing' to intimidate his subjects into doing as they were told. To necklace somebody, one needed an old tire, a can of gasoline and a match. Put the tire around the victim's head, (the lower invert of the tire could then be filled with gasoline,) then just light the match and let the screaming begin.

The Former President's Johannesburg Talking Points---
•Former President Barack Obama spoke to a crowd of young leaders in Johannesburg, South Africa, to mark the 100th anniversary of Nelson Mandela's birth on Wednesday.

•Obama also said men were getting on his "nerves," saying "we're violent; we're bullying."

Anybody other than me see any irony in the premise of Mr Obama's address as compared to the life of Nelson Mandela?

[Granny Bear]

Obama has more to worry about than that. George Soros just called him he worst disappointment of his political life.

I nearly wet myself.

[TheRealThing]

Obama has more to worry about than that. George Soros just called him he worst disappointment of his political life.

I nearly wet myself.

In view of what Soros said, why would anyone still harbor doubts about where these guys want to take society?

[RAM-A-DEVIL]

After reading all of this garbage i have come to the conclusion that the stupid people in this country do out number the rest of us.

[TheRealThing]

^^ I'm so humbled. Perhaps you being a smart person, could 'can' the third grader insults, and explain to us stupid people where we're going so wrong?

[Hoot Gibson]

After reading all of this garbage i have come to the conclusion that the stupid people in this country do out number the rest of us.

I am not sure that you belong to the group with whom you self-identify. For obvious reasons, stupid people are usually the last to know where they fit on the IQ spectrum.

[jetpilot]

I am not sure that you belong to the group with whom you self-identify. For obvious reasons, stupid people are usually the last to know where they fit on the IQ spectrum.

:truestory:

[RAM-A-DEVIL]

And .....so youre saying you dont know where you fit?

[Hoot Gibson]

And .....so youre saying you dont know where you fit?

I'm saying that I know where I fit and we do not reside in the same neighborhood.

Smart people and stupid people fall all across the political spectrum. To assume that people who disagree with you politically are stupid does not indicate much of an intellect.

[Granny Bear]

However, it DOES reflect the intellect of a typical liberal.

[RAM-A-DEVIL]

I don't disagree with anybody voting for a republican. what I disagree with are people voting for narcissistic pu$$y grabbing Russian scumbags who looks like an orange orangutan.

[TheRealThing]

So after completely mischaracterizing the President's negotiations at Helsinki. And after all the media lies and lurching about by Congressional mushrooms the likes of Paul Ryan, Bob Corker and John McCain, the Administration today showed the world how grownups prosecute foreign policy.

Now I know how supposedly disappointed all the liberals were because the President didn't talk smack to Putin at the post meeting press conference in Helsinki. But that's not the way American Presidents typically handle things, and the challenge I made still stands: For precedent's sake, name one time in history when a President had a one-on-one with any head of state, (and in this case a near-peer at that,) in which the President personally threatened that head of state. Still waiting on that.

But it took some time for the President to properly disseminate the information and the agreements made between Mr Trump and Vladimir Putin to the proper federal authorities for implementation. In today's Press Conference, John Bolton (National Security Advisor), along with 4 Intelligence Community Department heads; Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, FBI Director Christopher Wray, Homeland Security Secretary Kristjen Neilson, and Commander, U.S. Cyber Command and Director, National Security Agency/Chief, Central Security Service, General Paul Nakasone, laid out the President's policy on national security as it relates to a number of threats to include election tampering.

I mean, I guess if you want to believe them (and I don't), all the rabid chipmunks wanted a WWE style smackdown worthy of having been said by Hulk Hogan. The American President doesn't need to jump redneck on the world stage. Nor does he need to be putting his finger in the face of Putin in order to try and embarrass him in front of the world. To have done so to me, would have been the perfect enactment of how to act stupidly.

President Theodore Roosevelt---

'Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick'

[TheRealThing]

The President has gone to great lengths to gain every US citizen's trust on the matter of his making America his first priority in all matters across the board. He has vowed to negotiate with the good of America in mind, and therefore the well being of her citizen's, as his top priority. Further, MR Trump has made his intentions to negotiate on behalf of US business and US jobs clear to his counterparts in other countries. So, what does he get in response for that from the Bloomberg news organization? Well I'm glad you asked. Mr Trump, after swearing his interviewers there at Bloomberg News to secrecy on the matter, tells them that he is not likely to compromise with Canada on NAFTA.

But Bloomberg, immediately upon the President's departure from the interview, goes straight to the Toronto Star and proceeds to rat out their own President. Why would they do such a thing? I will tell you. The contempt for our duly elected President is so intense on the part of those on the left, that they couldn't wait so much as a second to torpedo the new NAFTA deal (IF THEY COULD) , just so they could say that DJT failed on NAFTA. Now you think for just a few seconds about the treachery in all of this. The passage of NAFTA has resulted in Trillions of dollars of US wealth flowing into Mexico and Canada since it's inception. Trillions of dollars which came from John Q. Public, not Uncle Sam. That's our money and our jobs we're talking about here. Not to mention the fact that Bloomberg worked as foreign agents against the best interests of Americans in all this. And who gets screwed if the NAFTA renegotiations fail? TAXPAYERS. What a bunch of epic and treasonous rats the US media corps have become. I wouldn't believe them if they were standing in front of the original tablets of the Ten Commandments at the foot of Mt Sinai.

Speculation has it that the story, as ratted out to and reported by the Toronto Star, has put Justin Trudeau and his government in a bit of a pickle with the people of Canada. I just hope the voters of this country are properly informed about all the treasonous and Anti-American dirty tricks on the part of the left come this November.