[KentuckyFan35]

Back more than any other kid on this list needs to have good players around him.
Last year he got to play with 2 6-7 kids and Tobler who was the best in the region at getting in the lane and kicking out to shooters.
This year he has several good players around him. And all he has to do is take open catch and shoot jumpers. Which is he very good at.
But he cant get his own shot. If he was at Estill or at Wolfe he is not standing in the corner and taking wide open catch and shoot jumpers. because there is nobody on either of those teams to drive and kick it to him. Or no Caudill in the post to throw it out to him when they get doubled. He would have to go get his own shot.
And somehow Back Fg% is worse than Bonny or Stone even tho he takes wide open jumpers and they have to go find a shot with people hanging all over them.
And Back is also the worst defender of Perry County Starting 5 and their worst rebounder. But im sure his 2.7 RPG are due to him not having to rebound.

Bonny has to guard the other team best player every game and still go get his points.
Stone has to get 8-10 rebounds for Wolfe every game and still go get his points.
Back is put on the other teams worst player and never has to go rebound and go make open jumpers.

You quoted Zaga's post disagreeing with him, but the bold statement made his point!

[14th region fanman]

You quoted Zaga's post disagreeing with him, but the bold statement made his point!

How did I prove his point? His statement was that Back would average 30 on Wolfe team. But if he cant get his own shot. How would he get 30.

And his post was that Bonny or Stone would be role players on Perry's Team.
And both Stone or Bonny could do the same thing that Back does for Perry if they were on that team. All while playing better defense or getting more than 2 Rebounds per game while doing it

[fatpatfan]

I will take Noah Back over them all.

Sorry, guys.
I really hate it when my opinion gets people tore up (not really).

Stone and Bonny light it up for their respective teams, but it's different to do it for a team like Perry.

Here's an example.
You have an interesting situation with Cam Turner at Perry since he's played for two schools this year.
Jackson City plays Leslie County early in the season and Turner has 19 points.
Perry plays Leslie last week and Turner has 2 points.

He was a stud at Jackson City and now he's a role player at Perry.

You put Noah Back on any team in the 14th and he's just as productive. Put him on Wolfe County and he'll drop 30 regularly.

He scores 17.5/game with kids who are capable of putting in 20 a game on any given night.

[Image: https://media1.tenor.com/images/100b8cd7...id=8471142] Bolz let ole Fatpat break it down for you baby! Back can drop it like its hot on offense but two words for you! Da fence! Boi got none plain and simple baby! Simple logic! Example: Back cant guard ole Fatpat from getting to the buffet baby! Ole Fatpat is slow but he better bring some ankle braces cause he be crossed up something fierce! #cantguardabuffet More mash taters please

[jumpshooter]

Noah Back gets chased every single game and still averages 17 pts a game. His team wins more than any of the other best players mentioned. I'd say Back and Caudill are the best. I dont care if you get up and shoot 1000 shots before the sun rises still dont mean your the best. How many hours do some of them spend in the weight room? Shooting and doing dribbling drills is easy. Winning separates the best of the best. Might want to add Chandler Caudill to that list as well. I still think Backs the most dangerous player on the list. He dont miss when left open. Always a threat.

And Bonny does not get chased every single game? lol And if winning separates the teams, might want to put Bonny name in that conversation as well. If I am not mistaken, Estill has a record of 23-7. I am not sure who would classify that as not "winning"

[jumpshooter]

You all are butt hurt because a kid from Estill won the POY. Do not try to take anything away from kids, he deserved this award. And he was voted and is the best player in this region this year. If you think he did not deserve this award, then you all are delusional. To even make a thread about the best player in the region AFTER the award is given out is ridiculous.

[LOOKAYANNER]

Nobody in the 14th is butt hurt over Estill because they haven’t won anything to piss anyone off.

Maybe no basketball regions but they’ve dominated softball and won the baseball region once. A school of 700+ enrollment is always going to put out fairly competitive sports teams.

[LOOKAYANNER]

Bonny wouldn’t be a role player on any team in the region. The kid is pretty darn good. Has a complete game. I’m not saying he would be the lead scorer for PCC or KCC but he’d sure be in the neighborhood. His team isn’t 23-7 by playing a weak schedule either. Now, whether they can win the region or not is to be seen. I’m not very high in 13th region refs calling the tournament. Seems like every time that happens it doesn’t always end up in the best interest of the 55th and 56th district teams. They’ve had a few guys over there in past years that would make John Higgins blush when it comes to deciding the outcome of games.

[The_Rock]

I think we all need to remember that the kids mentioned get on here and read some of these posts. Lets drop all the negativity. If you gonna be negative, post your real name at least. All these kids are great players. These years dont last forever. Inspire them if nothing else.

[zaga_fan]

have you ever seen Estill play this year?

I'm sure I've seen as much basketball on here as anyone this year.

I've only seen Estill three times.

[zaga_fan]

You quoted Zaga's post disagreeing with him, but the bold statement made his point!

Hard to lose an argument when people use your logic to argue against you.

[zaga_fan]

For the record, I would love to be wrong about Bonny.

I'd love to see him come out and torch these teams by 50 because I have no reason to root against him.

That's just what I think.

[HCS]

Where are the Cordia fans who insisted Keita was the No. 1 player in the preseason? Where is he going to play?

[hitter]

Caudill is the best all around player in the region. Most of the time they give in more as a career accomplishment then the best player that year. A perfect example would be the courier journal voted jaysean Paige the best player in the state but he didn't even win the regional player of the year. Bonny is a real good player too but if I had to pick I would take Caudill but it's hard to go wrong either way

[zaga_fan]

Anything with a vote can always get skewed a little bit.
Bonny was the pick this year and it looks like that has played out about right.
I still think last year that if you have first pick of any of those seniors in the region you're taking Damon Tobler and you don't really have to think that hard about it - but he didn't get it.

[Bstidham47]

Anything with a vote can always get skewed a little bit.
Bonny was the pick this year and it looks like that has played out about right.
I still think last year that if you have first pick of any of those seniors in the region you're taking Damon Tobler and you don't really have to think that hard about it - but he didn't get it.

Ha your insane if you think Carter didn’t deserve it over Tobler. Look at what Torrell is doing at Berea now and I haven’t heard Tobler’s name mentioned. Plus look at the head to head matchups and see who had the better numbers.

[zaga_fan]

I think we all know who's the insane guy posting in the 14th Region threads.

[zaga_fan]

I don't feel like arguing with a brick wall today. Put Prince and Iggy in the paint for Letcher and Carter's green light all of a sudden gets really dim.

[Bstidham47]

I don't feel like arguing with a brick wall today. Put Prince and Iggy in the paint for Letcher and Carter's green light all of a sudden gets really dim.

If you don’t want to argue don’t say stupid stuff. Perry tried that and guess what Carter still got his points. Tobler was a fine player and great athlete but he did not have a complete game like Carter.

[Bstidham47]

I think we all know who's the insane guy posting in the 14th Region threads.

Really so everyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion is insane? Let’s hear your argument to back up your statement that Tobler was a better basketball player than Carter and don’t start off with the fact they won the 14th region last year because we all know that wouldn’t have happened without recruiting the two bigs from June Buchanan to help him.

[zaga_fan]

First off... You're the one who called me insane first. So don't get tore up when someone treats you the same way.

And as far as backing up an argument - I just gave you a pretty good reason for Carter's "numbers" being better than Tobler's. But let's play a little game.

You say Carter has more of a complete game. Let's take their senior year: Who do you think was better defensively? Who pulled down more rebounds? Blocked more shots? Assisted on more baskets? If you answered Carter to any of those questions, you didn't watch enough of Damon Tobler his senior year. Carter scored more points but that's because he was filling it up over at Letcher.

And as far as backing up arguments - you've made more empty claims this year than anyone on this board.

P.S. Carter was 0-6 against Damon Tobler in his high school career

[Bstidham47]

First off... You're the one who called me insane first. So don't get tore up when someone treats you the same way.

And as far as backing up an argument - I just gave you a pretty good reason for Carter's "numbers" being better than Tobler's. But let's play a little game.

You say Carter has more of a complete game. Let's take their senior year: Who do you think was better defensively? Who pulled down more rebounds? Blocked more shots? Assisted on more baskets? If you answered Carter to any of those questions, you didn't watch enough of Damon Tobler his senior year. Carter scored more points but that's because he was filling it up over at Letcher.

And as far as backing up arguments - you've made more empty claims this year than anyone on this board.

P.S. Carter was 0-6 against Damon Tobler in his high school career

Again someone else’s opinion is an empty post unless they agree with you?! Your argument against Torell was simply put Perry’s big guys in the lane and his “green” light goes dim. Like I said before they tried and he still got his. Let’s face it Tobler should have had more assists because he had two 6’8” players inside. Speaking of your game who had a better field goal %, 3 point % and free throw %? Plus for Tobler to be the great defender you say he was I don’t recall him guarding Torell when they played. Btw Tobler should have been 6-0 because they recruited players. At least they gave the award to an actual kid from the 14th region that earned it.

[zaga_fan]

Again someone else’s opinion is an empty post unless they agree with you?! Your argument against Torell was simply put Perry’s big guys in the lane and his “green” light goes dim. Like I said before they tried and he still got his. Let’s face it Tobler should have had more assists because he had two 6’8” players inside. Speaking of your game who had a better field goal %, 3 point % and free throw %? Plus for Tobler to be the great defender you say he was I don’t recall him guarding Torell when they played. Btw Tobler should have been 6-0 because they recruited players. At least they gave the award to an actual kid from the 14th region that earned it.

You're not reading what I'm writing.

My point is if Carter had the big guys in the paint ON HIS TEAM he wouldn't have filled it up like he did.

Damon went from the starting center to the starting point guard at Perry from his junior to senior year and your argument is he wasn't as complete a player? I'm all about someone giving an opinion on here and encourage it. But there is only one person in this exchange that has actually tried to support their argument.

Tobler was a four year player at Perry who lost a popularity contest. That being said, I don't want anyone to think I'm throwing off on Carter. He was great - but Tobler was special.

By the way, Damon was 60+% from the field his senior year. Carter was 57%

[skydiver1]

Who won the Games?

[Bucwheat]

Aw Pc

[Strikeout King]

I think it's funny, we have NEVER had a 14th region best player (for that current year) AFTER the region tournament/basketball season is over and a region player of the year was named until now.

Caleb won MVP in both district and region tournaments because he was the BEST and he proved why he was the BEST! End of Story!

[Crazy Horse]

Well Bonny shot tons of free throws, but against Cordia he was not the best. Benton was the best that night and his shooting won them that game

[Crazy Horse]

We all know MVP does not mean best player like in the NBA, Lebron has been the best for years. MVP just means best season, Bonny is very much deserving of the award. But best player he is not, like at Cordia. Cordia has a big guy that will be playing D-1 college next year or the year after that... yet he did not win MVP

[zaga_fan]

We all know MVP does not mean best player like in the NBA, Lebron has been the best for years. MVP just means best season, Bonny is very much deserving of the award. But best player he is not, like at Cordia. Cordia has a big guy that will be playing D-1 college next year or the year after that... yet he did not win MVP

Don't go down this road, buddy.
You may be right, but it still doesn't end well on here lol

[Strikeout King]

I really don't care what anyone says, Bonny was the best player in the region this year. Your dumb if you think otherwise. He proved that he was the best player. BTW, he dropped 23 in the win over Cordia. Benton was huge that game and your right on that, if it wasn't for Joe, Cordia would have won.

If Cordia has players that will play D1 then I'd say schools like EKU or WKU they won't go to no UK, Duke, Kansas or any big school like that. Remember the kid that was at Fresno State that was at Cordia? No one ever hears his name mention anywhere anymore....

[The_Rock]

Only people around here could actually say a guy that went and played at Fresno State wasnt a very good player. Strikeout King how many kids from Estill or anywhere else in the 14th Region went on to play at a Fresno State level? Very few. I cant even remember that kids name that you are referring to but I did watch him get some PT while I was watching his games on ESPN several times. The kid was pretty dang good. I think big Omar Keita will be playing some D1 basketball somewhere. He gets him a good trainer, some PEDs, and he may make some money playing basketball. But I do agree, he sure wasnt 14th Region player or MVP. Winning speaks for itself. Bonny proved he is a winner.