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Should the Sweet 16 be Seeded?
#1
Every so often this debate resurfaces. I think I am in the minority on this, but I think districts, regionals and the Sweet 16 should all be seeded, much like the NCAA tournament. However, I don't think this will happen any time soon.
#2
No on the region and state.
I think the mystery of the draw adds something for both tournaments and a seeding system would only bring a lot of controversy on how it's done.
#3
Classed by enrollment, with a seeded post season based on regular season
#4
No. I think that would lead to classification and I am not here for that.
#5
Classify it and every other sport and seed them all. There are numerous districts that don't even seed in baseball and basketball.
#6
Explorer Wrote:Classify it and every other sport and seed them all. There are numerous districts that don't even seed in baseball and basketball.

Absolutely disagree! Look at scores around the state from All A Basketball. So many blowouts show that classification doesn’t help the competition.
#7
I think seeding would cause a lot of controversy. I am not completely against it but I would like to see something other than the random draw. Cause being from the mountains I hated seeing pikeville and perry paired up last year when they are just an hour apart. But seeding the mountain teams will always be at the bottom because no one really thinks they are as competitive as the lex, louisville, and northern ky schools. And they have a good argument because top to bottom those areas are hands down the best as far as having better competition to compete against on a nightly basis. I wonder if they could do something similar to football and split the state into east and west. 8 regions being in the east and 8 in the west. And then have the 8 regions in the east draw for which region they are going to play in the west for first round games. It's still a random draw just not as big and then you won't draw your next door neighbor.
#8
Seeding certainly hasn't hurt the NCAA basketball tournament. Wouldn't it have been horrible if that great UNC-UK game had been in the first round. Too many times the tope 3 or 4 teams in the state have been grouped on one side of the bracket. It would take the "luck" factor out of it.
#9
do we seed the football playoffs? no, goes by geographic region. Baseball? no Softball? no

I do however think think that ALL Districts should be seeded based on regular season games, which is done is all other sports. Would they allow a blind draw in football to determine the 1st round matchups. Then all the playoff systems in all sports would be in alignment and done the same way
#10
Definitely should seed all Districts, love the blind regional tourney draws, makes it more exciting. Leave the state tournament alone, been perfect for years, why change it now.
#11
The Sweet Sixteen is fine. Don't mess up the formula.
#12
rojas Wrote:Seeding certainly hasn't hurt the NCAA basketball tournament. Wouldn't it have been horrible if that great UNC-UK game had been in the first round. Too many times the tope 3 or 4 teams in the state have been grouped on one side of the bracket. It would take the "luck" factor out of it.
The “luck” factor is a large reason the one class system has worked.

Why don’t we just call this what it is. The Big School Virginia Plan. And I can see why Scott County and others would want it this way. However, with as much consolidation that continues to occur, interest in high school sports will eventually fade away and the voices of the small schools will be heard and ignored until we have classes that no one wants to watch. (Mini rant)
#13
With the current state of the region where the ranking services basically have the whole thing below Ashland and Boyd County as a pick'em not sure how you could.
#14
Panther Thunder Wrote:The “luck” factor is a large reason the one class system has worked.

Why don’t we just call this what it is. The Big School Virginia Plan. And I can see why Scott County and others would want it this way. However, with as much consolidation that continues to occur, interest in high school sports will eventually fade away and the voices of the small schools will be heard and ignored until we have classes that no one wants to watch. (Mini rant)

Unfortunately, that time is not "eventually" it is now. There was a time, and not too long ago, when it was common to have 16,000-18,000 and sometimes 20,000 at a Sweet 16 session. Now, we are getting 10,000-12,000 if we are lucky. I can remember every seat being taken at Corbin's Gilliam Gym at 5:30 PM for a game that started at 7:30 PM. Now, I can walk into any gym in the state and get a good seat for any game. I remember long lines at Bell County in the late afternoon waiting for the doors to open for the regional tournament that night. There is no "eventually fade away." It's already fading, and fast. The change to playing the finals on Sunday was a step in the right direction. However, there is room for more changes. Doing things because of tradition and "that's the way it's always been done" isn't working anymore.
#15
Panther Thunder Wrote:The “luck” factor is a large reason the one class system has worked.

Why don’t we just call this what it is. The Big School Virginia Plan. And I can see why Scott County and others would want it this way. However, with as much consolidation that continues to occur, interest in high school sports will eventually fade away and the voices of the small schools will be heard and ignored until we have classes that no one wants to watch. (Mini rant)

I guess that is just a difference in philosophy. Would you rather "luck" your way into Saturday or Sunday or "play" your way into Saturday or Sunday.
#16
SportsFan67 Wrote:I wonder if they could do something similar to football

January 11, 2018 03:51 PM
Updated January 11, 2018 03:54 PM
The KHSAA Board of Control on Thursday approved the creation of a system that would enable it to re-seed the high school football playoffs after the third round has been staged.
#17
rojas Wrote:I guess that is just a difference in philosophy. Would you rather "luck" your way into Saturday or Sunday or "play" your way into Saturday or Sunday.
I would “rather” do whichever gets me there lol. Obviously one would love to win against tough competition, but I doubt many tears are shed when the 11th ends up on the other side of the bracket.

Do you want to see basketball classed? It’s not “tradition for the sake of tradition”. It is concern many will start using small steps towards it since the direct shift plan hasn’t worked.

And I know a lot of high school sports fans who grow more and more turned off with each change. Alienating your base isn’t exactly a formula to get people to come out.
#18
Ky is the only state that still plays single class basketball meaning coaching jobs in most smaller schools , are very difficult . I just don’t understand why anyone would want to seed as long as the single class system remains . It would virtually eliminate small schools from having a chance
#19
The reason state tournament attendance is down is a direct result of the mandated changes to accounting practices in schools instigated by the events that occurred in several places .. Before that, schools bought many of the tickets and distributed to patrons . That’s when attendance drastically declined ..
#20
Can not afford to take a family to the Sweet 16 anymore without breaking the budget. It's a sad situation.
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#21
Kentucky is the only State in the Nation that still does basketball this way I like the class system just like football
#22
So, why do we seed the districts? If we are against seeding the regional and state tournaments to give the small schools more of a chance. Shouldn't this also hold true for the districts as well? A blind district draw would give the Harlans, Williamsburgs, Sayres and Red Birds a much better chance of advancing most years.

By the way, I don't think districts serve much of a purpose anymore. Skip the districts and have 16 seeded regional tournaments.
#23
rojas Wrote:So, why do we seed the districts? If we are against seeding the regional and state tournaments to give the small schools more of a chance. Shouldn't this also hold true for the districts as well? A blind district draw would give the Harlans, Williamsburgs, Sayres and Red Birds a much better chance of advancing most years.

By the way, I don't think districts serve much of a purpose anymore. Skip the districts and have 16 seeded regional tournaments.

Not all district's seed.
That's up to the representatives for each school in the district.
#24
The answer is NO. No high school sport should seed any of its tournament.
#25
AnswertheBell Wrote:The answer is NO. No high school sport should seed any of its tournament.

Then the regular season means nothing! Bunch of exhibition games!!!
#26
Until sports like basketball, baseball, and softball are classed in this state, it will always be a sham.
Stuff like softball and baseball need classed horribly. It is becoming ridiculous. Might as well do it now. It's going to be eventually anyways.
#27
No seeding. Classification. 2 classes would be plenty. For baseball also.
#28
I think a lot of football would like all sports to be classified. I think they come out at times like this. However, each sport has its own individuality. In theory football could play 22 athletes, O and D, during a game. We know this isn't always plausable as we slide down each school's enrollment scale. The smaller athlete population the less skilled the players. Wa-la football classification. Basketball 5 players, maybe seven player rotations. Wa-la keep it the way it is until schools want it to change. Majority don't or they would put a proposal to the KHSAA delegate assembly. Seeding for state basketball, how ambiguous would this process be. What system could be used that didn't involve bias, political maneuvering, and down right hate. Why would we subject our children to this quagmire. They put up with enough crap from adults trying to ruin things. I agree with an earlier post that said, the blind draw adds anticipation to the whole atmosphere. Guarantee all those large schools are begging for it. State tournament: 1. When schools districts told students they would be counted absent unexcused if they attended the tournament, killed it. 2. When coaches were told they would be docked and couldn't use sick days or didn't have enough personal days, killed it. When motels skyrocketed, killed it. You know what's funny, the Superintendents have trainings scheduled during the boys state tournament during the mornings. 🤔Or they have in the past. Why can't KY enter the 21st century and schedule trainings during the tournament that are already required such as concussion, medical symposiums, rules clinc, coaches education classes that are required. Other states do this. Then the coaches can attend with some financial help from schools because it is TRAINING TO PROTECT OUR YOUTH. HOW DARE WE!
#29
Look at last year's baseball State Bracket! 7/8 teams in one side of the bracket had a legit chance of winning the whole thing! Maybe one team in the bottom had a shot at winning it! That needs to be fixed some how, if not for fairness, for the sake of drawing good crowds for the tournament!
#30
No

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