[Brother Xavier]

With the new retirement reform coming down soon...how many open coaching positions will we see come the next few years. I know there are a few coaches who are 100 day guys that will have to go, such as Phillip Haywood and Mark Brown not to mention many many more that I don't know about who are doing the same. There will also be guys who are close to retirement that would have stayed to coach but now will probably retire so they can still get their full benefits. I'm surprised we haven't discussed this with all the KTRS talk and such. What are your thoughts?

[TheHotSnakes]

It's going to impact the older coaches, and the amount of new/young coaches entering.

[Single Wing 77]

I think some of those older coaches may stop teaching, but they'll probably keep coaching.

[PHSForever]

Do the KHsAA rules allow for head coaches to be paraprofessionals? If not, will there be a membership push to change that so that some coaches can retire from teaching and continue as head coaches?

[TheHotSnakes]

Do the KHsAA rules allow for head coaches to be paraprofessionals? If not, will there be a membership push to change that so that some coaches can retire from teaching and continue as head coaches?

I know several coaches who aren't teachers, and aren't employed by the school as anything other than a HC.

[Brother Xavier]

The way I understand it...the only way they could still coach is if they volunteer or go to a private school where they could get paid. One issue that has come up with this new reform is that retirees can't be substitute teachers or 100 day teachers/Administrators. This will mess over the coaches because in order to get paid a coach has to be in the system. If they are retired then they don't have that option hence they might/will be a mass exodus of coaches in the state of Kentucky.

[Brother Xavier]

At least for those who are close to retirement.

[Single Wing 77]

Depends on how much they love it. The ones who do will probably take the retirement, get a part time job somewhere else in town and volunteer to coach. I'm sure some of the legendary coaches around the state wouldn't have much of a problem finding a part time job around town that pay a decent amount.

[WILDCAT NATION]

The way I understand it...the only way they could still coach is if they volunteer or go to a private school where they could get paid. One issue that has come up with this new reform is that retirees can't be substitute teachers or 100 day teachers/Administrators. This will mess over the coaches because in order to get paid a coach has to be in the system. If they are retired then they don't have that option hence they might/will be a mass exodus of coaches in the state of Kentucky.

Is there an athletic exemption to the rule? If not then yes this is a bombshell.

[Brother Xavier]

Is there an athletic exemption to the rule? If not then yes this is a bombshell.

It's not official...it just a proposal as of right now. But as it stands there isn't an athletic exemption.

[Bulldogs4Ever]

I think they need to get rid of the 100 day gravy train jobs anyway. So many coaches need to go. So many that do the bare minimum to make their extra money. I love sports more than anything but more teachers need to be hired plain and simple. And I think after someone teaches 27 years, its probably time to retire and pass the torch. I know theres some exceptional older coaches out there but there really isnt many that I know of. The education system is a mess right now. Sports do save a of kids lives I admit but more needs to be spent on education.

[WILDCAT NATION]

I think they need to get rid of the 100 day gravy train jobs anyway. So many coaches need to go. So many that do the bare minimum to make their extra money. I love sports more than anything but more teachers need to be hired plain and simple. And I think after someone teaches 27 years, its probably time to retire and pass the torch. I know theres some exceptional older coaches out there but there really isnt many that I know of. The education system is a mess right now. Sports do save a of kids lives I admit but more needs to be spent on education.

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[RicFlair]

Agreed with Bulldogs.... so many people are double dipping and making all kinds of money when you have recent college grads that can’t find a job because people who are already drawing a pension can come back and make boat loads of money and the majority of them aren’t effective in their jobs. Education has changed ALOT even since I’ve been out of college, can you imagine what they were taught 30+ years ago?

[Granny Bear]

Wow. I don't know enough about this to fuss about it!!
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Gonna go read about it, and be back later!

[99PIRATEFAN]

I think they need to get rid of the 100 day gravy train jobs anyway. So many coaches need to go. So many that do the bare minimum to make their extra money. I love sports more than anything but more teachers need to be hired plain and simple. And I think after someone teaches 27 years, its probably time to retire and pass the torch. I know theres some exceptional older coaches out there but there really isnt many that I know of. The education system is a mess right now. Sports do save a of kids lives I admit but more needs to be spent on education.

Here’s the problem no one will want to teach in Ky after they get done you won’t be able to find new coaches when the olds leave or teachers they are getting ready to screw our school system

[Brother Xavier]

Here’s the problem no one will want to teach in Ky after they get done you won’t be able to find new coaches when the olds leave or teachers they are getting ready to screw our school system

My point exactly!

[RunItUpTheGut]

Here’s the problem no one will want to teach in Ky after they get done you won’t be able to find new coaches when the olds leave or teachers they are getting ready to screw our school system

Why would anyone want to teach in KY now?
It's a low paying job, usually starting early 20k. Then you have to go back and finish ytour masters within 4 or 5 years. That's absurd. I honestly don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher in this state.

As for trhe retirement system, it's broke. No other way around it then to fix it. You shouldnt be allowed to retire in 20 years and draw over a million dollars and pass that on. Socialism doesn't work. It never works. And now this generation of treachers will pay for it.

[Hound05]

I never liked the teaching/coaching rule anyways. It sets up failure in the classroom in most cases, especially at “sports” schools. You’re basically giving a good coach a job to teach and in some cases they’re just filling in a seat and taking up someone else’s job. I’ve seen it. Now I’ve seen great coaches that do a great job teaching, and that’s fine, let them do it. But I’d say there is better teachers out there than Haywood, haddix, Hilton, etc.... but there isn’t many better coaches. Let the coaches coach, and teachers teach, if they WANT to do both, great, the school will save a little money. But don’t require it.

[AtlPirateFan]

I never liked the teaching/coaching rule anyways. It sets up failure in the classroom in most cases, especially at “sports” schools. You’re basically giving a good coach a job to teach and in some cases they’re just filling in a seat and taking up someone else’s job. I’ve seen it. Now I’ve seen great coaches that do a great job teaching, and that’s fine, let them do it. But I’d say there is better teachers out there than Haywood, haddix, Hilton, etc.... but there isn’t many better coaches. Let the coaches coach, and teachers teach, if they WANT to do both, great, the school will save a little money. But don’t require it.

Unless things have changed Coach Haywood's role has been as a guidance counselor at Belfry, a job he takes very seriously. He was a pretty good one to me, I never played for him but never felt he anything but my best interest at heart, even after I had a "confrontation" with him and the principal at the time over state testing and my refusal to take it as a senior. He never treated me unfairly and even helped me get a scholarship after the state testing disagreement. He may have been a teacher in the past at P-Burg but for as long as I can remember he's been a guidance counselor for Belfry, so he's not "wasting" a space in a classroom.

[RicFlair]

Why would anyone want to teach in KY now?
It's a low paying job, usually starting early 20k. Then you have to go back and finish your masters within 4 or 5 years. That's absurd. I honestly don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher in this state.

As for the retirement system, it's broke. No other way around it then to fix it. You shouldnt be allowed to retire in 20 years and draw over a million dollars and pass that on. Socialism doesn't work. It never works. And now this generation of treachers will pay for it.

In what system do you hire in at low 20s?

[nky]

You don't need to be a teacher to be a head coach. The retirement issues will not effect coaching.

[E's Army]

Real question is where will the young coaches come from. If they are not compensated they will not stay in coaching

[Hound05]

Unless things have changed Coach Haywood's role has been as a guidance counselor at Belfry, a job he takes very seriously. He was a pretty good one to me, I never played for him but never felt he anything but my best interest at heart, even after I had a "confrontation" with him and the principal at the time over state testing and my refusal to take it as a senior. He never treated me unfairly and even helped me get a scholarship after the state testing disagreement. He may have been a teacher in the past at P-Burg but for as long as I can remember he's been a guidance counselor for Belfry, so he's not "wasting" a space in a classroom.

I was using that as an example- NOT as a fact- for the bigger picture. obviously I have no idea how well he does or doesn't do his job, nor really care, it was a metaphor. He may be the best thing since sliced bread, that's not the point, and that's not the basis of the post. It wasn't meant as a personal attack- obviously- or I wouldn't have put my schools coach in there. No need to get pissy about it brother. You looked at one line of the entire post and took it personal when that's not the context it was meant for. Sorry if it "offended" you. I said there is a lot of coaches who do well as teachers, according to your history with him, he probably belongs in that group (even though hes a counselor). The message is, why are we making great coaches take up spots as teachers, when their heart isn't in it, when someone else's would? We basically hire them to coach, let them coach. Or do you disagree with that?

[RunItUpTheGut]

In what system do you hire in at low 20s?

There are several teaching jobs in the surrounding area that start that low.
One of my good friends was just offered a kindergarten position. She has he masters.
Starting pay? 23k

The biggest problem with teaching? There's to many of them, at least in this area. Several people I know with teaching degrees are sitting waiting for somebody to die or retire before they can get a job.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Real question is where will the young coaches come from. If they are not compensated they will not stay in coaching

You have to hand it to the guys willing to stick around and coach high school athletics.
It isn't worth triple the pay of what some of these guys are making.


IMHO if you want to fix the retirement system for state employees, bump the salaries and drop the pension program. Make the workers decide how much they want to contribute.
There's no reason teachers can't figure out a 401K. You can put in up to 15% PRE TAX into 401K

[Fly Like a Duck]

Agreed with Bulldogs.... so many people are double dipping and making all kinds of money when you have recent college grads that can’t find a job because people who are already drawing a pension can come back and make boat loads of money and the majority of them aren’t effective in their jobs. Education has changed ALOT even since I’ve been out of college, can you imagine what they were taught 30+ years ago?

College grads aren’t going into education. Talk to some people in your school district that do the hiring. It will blow your mind.

I know of a district that had/has a PE opening after the first 9 weeks and they were hoping to find somebody to fill it; even called to one of our major universities in the state to get an idea on the number of those who had recently graduated in the Spring and/or Summer or 2017 with PE/Health credentials and teaching rights......know how many that was? ONE.

Young people ARE not going into education; that’s the issue. With this new system it’s going to be even less.

The number of young people not going into Education is one of the reasons why they are hiring some of these 100 day contracted “retired” teachers. From my experiences they are MAGNIFICENT hires; they are giving those who have tons of experience something to do 2-3 Days a week.

I don’t know about you, but if I just had to work/go all out 2-3 Days a week for 9 months a year; I’d be through the roof with energy and effectiveness.

These 100 day people are golden in my book. School systems are going to miss them; especially at the current rate (or lack thereof) of those not going into Education.

[Cardfan1]

You don't need to be a teacher to be a head coach. The retirement issues will not effect coaching.

If coaches are limited to 100 hours a month they will be affected.

There are several teaching jobs in the surrounding area that start that low.
One of my good friends was just offered a kindergarten position. She has he masters.
Starting pay? 23k

The biggest problem with teaching? There's to many of them, at least in this area. Several people I know with teaching degrees are sitting waiting for somebody to die or retire before they can get a job.

Jobs are out there. Maybe just not in the district your friends want. That will start to trickle down soon though.

[Brother Xavier]

You don't need to be a teacher to be a head coach. The retirement issues will not effect coaching.

You haven't been following the news about the proposal. Retired teachers will not be able to double dip with a 100 day job or being a substitute with the new proposal set up (in order to be paid by a school a coach has to be employed in some manner). Also to get full benefits under the old retirement format a teacher will need to retire before 2023. Maybe sooner not sure about the date...so it will push put a lot of quality seasoned coaches...leaving an already thin coaching market, thinner.

[99PIRATEFAN]

Why would anyone want to teach in KY now?
It's a low paying job, usually starting early 20k. Then you have to go back and finish ytour masters within 4 or 5 years. That's absurd. I honestly don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher in this state.

As for trhe retirement system, it's broke. No other way around it then to fix it. You shouldnt be allowed to retire in 20 years and draw over a million dollars and pass that on. Socialism doesn't work. It never works. And now this generation of treachers will pay for it.

I agree 100 percent

[99PIRATEFAN]

I never liked the teaching/coaching rule anyways. It sets up failure in the classroom in most cases, especially at “sports” schools. You’re basically giving a good coach a job to teach and in some cases they’re just filling in a seat and taking up someone else’s job. I’ve seen it. Now I’ve seen great coaches that do a great job teaching, and that’s fine, let them do it. But I’d say there is better teachers out there than Haywood, haddix, Hilton, etc.... but there isn’t many better coaches. Let the coaches coach, and teachers teach, if they WANT to do both, great, the school will save a little money. But don’t require it.

Coach Haywood is the Guidance Counselor he has been the whole time he’s been at Belfry but he works with all kids in the school he does a very good job at what he does